#indieweb 2017-04-14

2017-04-14 UTC
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GWG miklb: It isn't calling the full URL? It ends in wp-json?
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miklb full URL, just now without the subdirectory in it.
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GWG Odd, I'm using the built-in function, rest_url.
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miklb hmm. The POST request from wp/wp-admin/post-new.php is http, but the wp-json request is https
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miklb that fixed it.
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miklb I changed the WP & Site URL to use the https in settings->General
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miklb well, it didn't throw an error, but didn't retrieve the info
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miklb think it was a bad Twitter URL, now all seems to be working
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miklb GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 196 karma in this channel (215 overall)
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GWG miklb: Got another minute? Swing through the settings menu.
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miklb sure
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miklb looks good. What's with the disable KSES?
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GWG miklb: It's always been there. acegiak asked for it and is the only person who uses it, as far as I know.
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miklb I got a fatal error when I tried to publish a post. I'll switch to -dev
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@K_3_V_0 site-deaths - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/852700520758247424)
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miklb what is a reply
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Loqi A reply (or comment) is a kind of post that is a text (typically, though photos are possible too) response to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indieweb.org/reply
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miklb aaronpk that page has this link of yours as a example of a reply, https://aaronparecki.com/2013/03/19/2/indiewebcamp but I'm not seeing any in-reply-to markup. Am I just missing it?
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] @bradryanbice Congrats on tweeting from Wordpress! You should check out http://indiewebcamp.com - we'd love to have you participate!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Kevin Marks on Twitter: "We talked about Mastodon, OStatus, GnuSocial WebSub at 1hr17m35s into TWiG: https://t.co/2Zz9r4MMGx https://t.co/Jgvg3gD5Cx #indieweb"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-13 https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/852527868668252160
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Excellent talk with @fkarlitschek of @nexcloud this AM re: enabling people to own their own data! #indieweb #freedom" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-13 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/excellent-talk-with-fkarlitschek-of-nexcloud-this-am-re-enabling
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-14.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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miklb can't for the life of me figure out why my reply post has a second mf2 name which contains everything on the page http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com%2F1382-2%2F
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aaronpk miklb: ? ... I see in-reply-to in my post
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miklb ah, missed it on the link
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miklb I think I'm going to simplify the markup on post kinds
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GWG miklb: Suggestions welcome.
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miklb well, I think I'm going to strip them down and then add. Right now I feel like I have too much going on and don't fully grasp the nuances of the different types.
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miklb have individual templates for each.
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GWG miklb: It's been on my list for a long while.
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GWG That's why I built the templating system.
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miklb it's great.
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GWG But I have a long-standing plan to customize as many of them as possible.
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miklb I'll certainly share upstream as I go.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "http://xn--rpa.cc/essays/infrastructure by @velartrill “Let’s work together and build something no corporation can control, and no one accident — or calculated act of malice — can" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-12 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/--rpaccessaysinfrastructure-by-velartrill-lets-work-together-and-build-something-no
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reminding myself how the Salmon protocol works by reading https://www.w3.org/community/ostatus/wiki/Workflow #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-11 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/reminding-myself-how-the-salmon-protocol-works-by-reading-communityostatuswikiworkflow
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@kevinmarks bug report discussion here https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177#issuecomment-291688638 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/kevinmarks-bug-report-discussion-here-tootsuitemastodonissues177issuecomment-291688638-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Federation is hard. Let's go indieweb. https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike/?f=&mid=1b375d3c1144d54f312e7c02d804d5dc27c8e64218a813e19486f5639726a060@macgirvin.com" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/federation-is-hard-lets-go-indieweb-channelmikefampmid1b375d3c1144d54f312e7c02d804d5dc27c8e64218a813e19486f5639726a060macgirvincom
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Live now on This Week in Google with @leolaporte @jeffjarvis @gigastacey talking mastodon, gnusocial #indieweb and more" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-12 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/live-now-on-this-week-in-google-with-leolaporte-jeffjarvis
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Loqi [superfeedr] "useful thought for the mastodon.social fediverse: support rel="canonical me" for migrating between instances #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/useful-thought-for-the-mastodonsocial-fediverse-support-relcanonical-me-for
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I did tell y'all about Mastodon last November, remember? https://youtu.be/UHunxMTRCJc?t=1h16m6s #indieweb #websub #PubSubHubbub" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-09 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/i-did-tell-yall-about-mastodon-last-november-remember-uhunxmtrcjct1h16m6s
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miklb what the…
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[chrisaldrich] looks like superfeedr finally found all of kevin's known posts this week...
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miklb not sure what this error means https://cdn.miklb.com/quill_endpoint_error.png Didn't have it few days ago.
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GWG Interesting
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Loqi [superfeedr] "going to IndieWeb Summit 2017-06-24…25 in Portland, OR! RSVPs are open - capacity is limited! https://2017.indieweb.org/" on 2017-04-14 http://tantek.com/2017/103/t3/going-indieweb-summit
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@t going to IndieWeb Summit 2017-06-24…25 in Portland, OR! RSVPs are open - capacity is limited! https://2017.indieweb.org/ (ttk.me t4np3) (twitter.com/_/status/852762057350893570)
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miklb seems the micropub endpoint is using the subdirectory
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GWG The Micropub endpoint uses a query string endpoint.
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miklb https://miklb.com/wp/?micropub=endpoint is being inserted into <head>
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GWG That should work.
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miklb but everything else is without the /wp/
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miklb rel="webmention" href="https://miklb.com/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint"
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GWG It is using site_url, webmention is using rest_url
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miklb site_url should have the /wp/ should it?
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GWG Yes
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miklb meant to say shouldn't have. hmm. home_url doesn't have the /wp/
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miklb just not sure what I changed to cause it to start doing that
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miklb some nginx rules maybe
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@IndieWebCampDE @Editor_Page Vielleicht klappt ja ein Besuch des https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg in Kombination mit anderen @nueww Events?… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/852763764449435648 (twitter.com/_/status/852763764449435648)
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miklb hmm. a hiccup maybe
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@loopdouble A comment by Chris Aldrich outlines an IndieWeb approach to web annotations.  Awesome!  http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/03/reply-to-web-annotations-are-now-a-w3c-standard-paving-the-way-for-decentralized-annotation-infrastructure/ (twitter.com/_/status/852833649573511169)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Reply to Web Annotations are Now a W3C Standard, Paving the Way for Decentralized Annotation Infrastructure by neil" by neil on 2017-04-14 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/03/reply-to-web-annotations-are-now-a-w3c-standard-paving-the-way-for-decentralized-annotation-infrastructure/#comment-34435
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doubleloop ChrisAldrich - I've managed to appear on your page twice - sorry about that!
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Loqi doubleloop: gRegorLove left you a message 2 days, 11 hours ago: https://doubleloop.net/2017/04/11/230/ looks like a /quotation not /repost, so don't think it would show up as a RT on Twitter
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doubleloop I guess because I also sent my note to twitter.
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robert33 Hello! I'm @33mhz on pnut.io, a little social network silo built in the ashes of (and love for) App.net. I'm interested in respecting microformats and webmention on the network, and would love some pointers.
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robert33 What are some good implementations (or ideas for them) wrt social networks that are not decentralized themselves?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "some good implementations (or ideas for them) wrt social networks that are not decentralized themselves" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas Hi robert33. You’ll find that Loqi the Bot likes to answer any question that begins What is or What are.
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Loqi I think hi robert33. you’ll find that loqi the bot likes to answer any question that begins what is
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jeremycherfas Wut?
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robert33 Ha
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jeremycherfas The wiki is full of information and links. You could start here https://indieweb.org/microformats
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jeremycherfas There’s also a #dev channel that is way beyond me.
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aaronpk What is friendly?
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Loqi IndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating well with the indieweb by supporting open indieweb formats, protocols, as well as enabling users to transition to their own indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/friendly
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aaronpk robert33: also that
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robert33 Thanks! I'll read these today and come back with more nuanced questions, maybe in the #dev channel. :)
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ben_thatmustbeme to be clear thats #indieweb-dev
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jeremycherfas I told you it was beyond me. :)
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ben_thatmustbeme robert33++ always great to have a new network in the mix
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Loqi robert33 has 1 karma
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robert33 ben_thatmustbeme: sweet.
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jeremycherfas I know @dgold managed to build a plugin to POSSE from Known to pnut.io, so that’s a srart.
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jeremycherfas Start
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm trying to get a unit test in mastodon for microformats parsing so they don't break it again
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[kevinmarks] Before they missed a h-entry, so all the properties ended up in the feed
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ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks]: have you noticed any issues with the mf2 on there now?
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skippy the overloading of elements between h-card and h-entry are confusing me. p-name is person's name on h-card, but post name on h-entry. u-url is home page or post canonical link.
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aaronpk think of it as "p-name is the name of the thing", and "u-url is the url of the thing"
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skippy ok thanks.
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skippy is there a recommended practice for inserting some element into the <head> section of my pages to include a link with rel="author" to my home page? I don't want to put "by skippy" on every post on my vanity domain where i'm the only author.
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aaronpk ah yeah, a couple tricks you can do
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aaronpk this has the details on how people try to find the author of the post https://indieweb.org/authorship
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aaronpk so on your post permalink you can use <link rel="author" href="/"> for example
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skippy thank you!
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb.
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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[cleverdevil] Hmm, catching up on ActivityPub... how does it relate to other IndieWeb protocols like Micropub and Webmention?
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aaronpk it's being developed by some others in the same W3C group
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[cleverdevil] Seems like it duplicates some of the behaviors of Micropub in different ways? Or I could be misreading.
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aaronpk yes, it's a somewhat different approach at things
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[cleverdevil] Interesting.
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aaronpk this document describes the whole set of specs the group is working on. https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols/ (last updated november, so the statuses are out of date now)
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Loqi [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
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aaronpk oh here's the latest version which is actually up to date https://w3c-social.github.io/social-web-protocols/
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GWG Good day, all
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voxpelli Good day!
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GWG voxpelli: How goes the fight?
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voxpelli GWG: not much indieweb action for me at the moment, has constantly been getting distractions from elsewhere :/
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GWG Been in that situation.
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miklb ¡Hola!
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[cleverdevil] !tell eddie thanks for inspiring continued improvements to my Watching implementation! I've added icons and media links (automatically populated to IMDB and TheTVdb in my Plex webhook) – https://cleverdevil.io/content/watching/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] cleverdevil: That’s awesome!! Looks great!
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Loqi [eddie]: [cleverdevil] left you a message 9 minutes ago: thanks for inspiring continued improvements to my Watching implementation! I've added icons and media links (automatically populated to IMDB and TheTVdb in my Plex webhook) – https://cleverdevil.io/content/watching/
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miklb GWG can you make any suggestions where I might be able to jump in and help with the micropub->post-kinds integration?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked this tweet: ChrisAldrich on Twitter: &#8220;@louisgray Movements like #indieweb and even @manton2&#8217;s upcoming https://t.co/Z5fDXIlWGj are going to open things up again.&#8221;" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-14 http://techlifeweb.com/15850-2/
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GWG miklb: Look at the development branch and a new file called class-kind-plugins
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miklb cool
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miklb wonders aloud if there's a way to test micropub locally…
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@Moturoais Come-on, submit your #indie film. What ya git to be scared of? #indiefilm #indieweb #indiedoc #film (twitter.com/_/status/852926659057635328)
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miklb weird. I'm still getting that error in Quill, but the post goes through
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GWG Does a bookmark-of have a name?
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tantek good morning #indieweb
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miklb GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 197 karma in this channel (216 overall)
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miklb updated post-kinds ftw
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GWG miklb: I can't figure out how to proceed with the next thing on my list, so I'm going to release what I have, do something else, and come back.
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miklb sure
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miklb what's the saying, "release early, release often" ? ;-)
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GWG It should work.
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miklb ™
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tantek GWG, I realize it's just an expression, but why "the fight"?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "? Closing Communities: FFFFOUND! vs MLKSHK | Waxy.org" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-14 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/14/closing-communities-ffffound-vs-mlkshk/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Closing Communities: FFFFOUND! vs MLKSHK" http://waxy.org/2017/04/closing-communities-ffffound-vs-mlkshk/ (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/14/closing-communities-ffffound-vs-mlkshk/)
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GWG tantek: What fight?
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tantek https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-04-14/1492186128080000
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Loqi [GWG] voxpelli: How goes the fight?
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GWG tantek: Trying to vary my openers?
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@ChrisAldrich @vasvir2 based on your recent tweets you might appreciate the #indieweb: https://indieweb.org https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education (twitter.com/_/status/852948739677409280)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@vasvir2 based on your recent tweets you might appreciate the #indieweb: https://indieweb.org https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-14 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/vasvir2-based-on-your-recent-tweets-you-might-appreciate-the
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tantek GWG, I could probably use some of that
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@loopdouble Nice to randomly discover that my domain name provider, @iwantmyname, support the #indieweb.  https://iwantmyname.com/blog/let-s-make-2017-the-year-of-the-indie-web (twitter.com/_/status/852954381670641671)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Let's Make 2017 The Year of the Indie Web" https://iwantmyname.com/blog/let-s-make-2017-the-year-of-the-indie-web (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/04/14/10/)
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gRegorLove Howdy, indieweb
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GWG Howdy, gRegorLove
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gRegorLove How are things going, GWG?
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GWG Writing another speculative article
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[eddie] !tell cleverdevil I added a feature to have my watch post check the h-cite url, and if it’s a youtube.com link, it will actually embed the video. Pretty stoked about that one. It’s really gonna help my web video posts. My plan once I watch a non-proprietary web video, is to add a u-video property to the h-cite that links to the video file and display that embedded video as well. https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/2017/04/star-wars-the-last-jedi-offic
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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martymcguire[m] [eddie]: the url in your message got cut off
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tantek thus testing slug handling of your CMS
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tantek a good example of /URL_design why slugs should be optional in permalinks!~
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[eddie] https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/2017/04/star-wars-the-last-jedi-official-teaser-finished/
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tantek I've been resisting watching that to try to get things done first
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[eddie] tantek: haha smart
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Loqi hahahaha
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[eddie] tantek: I’ll have to read through /URL_design haven’t heard many thoughts about slugs not being needed in URLs
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tantek eddie I need to write-up a proper blog post about it
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tantek because you're right, there hasn't been enough well through through analysis about it
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tantek at least written into a cohesive step-by-step explanation
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tantek and most CMSs get this "wrong" IMO
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tantek (more fragile, maintenance headache, etc.)
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[chrisaldrich] eddie I think Tantek mistook the meaning of Mary's note.
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[chrisaldrich] Marty was saying your port from Slack to IRC cut off the URL, though the topic of URL design is interesting on it's own.
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tantek chrisaldrich, no mistooking, just drawing logical conclusions
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[chrisaldrich] there was a quirk filed to Known the other day about URLs if I recall.
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tantek hence thus
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[chrisaldrich] It's also been 13+ years, and I still run into URL quirks in WordPress...
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[eddie] tantek: I would definitely be interested in reading blog posts on that. I put medium thought into my urls, but not extensive thought. However, since I’m using a pretty custom CMS (mix of Node.js and Jekyll) the URLs are completely of my own decisions and designs, so anything I can do to improve it, I’m interested in reading and thinking through
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tantek eddie, I've been capturing my notes on it in /URL_design, from the perspective of what I actually implemented in /Falcon, and encouraging other folks to add their opinions / experience / implementation strategies also
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[eddie] Great, i’ll read through that then ?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-14.html
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndiewebPress: Users" by David Shanske on 2017-04-14 https://david.shanske.com/2017/04/14/indiewebpress-users/
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GWG tantek: Would you be willing to look at this one as well?
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tantek looking
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tantek GWG, makes sense, and you've identified some aspects of WordPress that need improving
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tantek you could add a note that you'd like to encourage discussion of these issues towards a concrete proposal for resolving them, as a call to action at the end of your post
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tantek that way when you have possible solutions ready, you can blog those, and refer to this post as having set the stage
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GWG Imagine importing an h-card into a user
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tantek or just pointing a user at a domain and only *caching* their h-card
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GWG tantek, cache is what I had in mind.
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-14.html
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tantek oh hey I wasn't checking that at all
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tantek why is the summit not on there? oops
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[cleverdevil] Hmmm... anyone here familiar with the Known code for talking to the data store?
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: I added a feature to have my watch post check the h-cite url, and if it’s a youtube.com link, it will actually embed the video. Pretty stoked about that one. It’s really gonna help my web video posts. My plan once I watch a non-proprietary web video, is to add a u-video property to the h-cite that links to the video file and display that embedded video as well. https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/2017/04/star-wars-the-last-jedi-offic
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[cleverdevil] cool, eddie ?
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tantek I have to run - but does someone want to fix /events and /2017 so that IndieWeb Summit shows up in the newsletter?
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tantek anyone? GWG, gRegorLove, aaronpk ?
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GWG I just finished driving instruction with my niece
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aaronpk It might just be past the threshold for upcoming events ?
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GWG I might not be available for a bit. On my phone
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tantek good point aaronpk
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GWG How did I miss this? http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/04/14/twitter-added-support-two-factor-authentication-apps-forgot-tell-anyone/
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