#indieweb 2017-04-16

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miklb the quotes in Post Kinds is mostly geared towards twitter quotes, but you can customize the quote-kinds template however you want markup wise
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miklb s/quote-kinds/quote-kind/
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[kevinmarks] I added a list of instances to http://www.unmung.com/mastoview
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miklb so if i have h-entry on the body tag of the singe page view of an article, and the note doesn't have a title, should the content also be p-name?
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tantek miklb, yes that is correct, in genereal notes don't have titles
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tantek let's check the "how to" for your q
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miklb ?
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tantek and wow /note is both missing a "How to markup" section as well as "How to" at all!
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tantek miklb++ for uncovering a pretty big hole in /note documentation
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KartikPrabhu miklb: you don't need to put a p-name on the note content since mf2 parsing auto-generates a p-name, but you might want an explicit p-name to exclude random things in the note showing up in the autogenerated name
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miklb I've actually been looking at my reply markup, and I'm getting extra there, without a title, but used note as an example.
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tantek miklb, short answer, yes, on /note posts, you should put "p-name" explicitly on the same element as your "e-content" or "p-content"
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miklb without explicit p-name on the content when no title
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tantek which is an especially good reason why we need to document this explicitly
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@kevinmarks Day 9: Previewing Mastodon instances as h-feed #100DaysOfIndieWeb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-9-previewing-mastodon-instances-as-h-feed-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/853411097403052032)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Day 9: Previewing Mastodon instances as h-feed #100DaysOfIndieWeb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-16 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-9-previewing-mastodon-instances-as-h-feed-100daysofindieweb
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miklb we almost need a site like html5doctor IMO http://html5doctor.com/nav-element/ as an example. Explanation of spec, and simple markup examples
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tantek miklb, yes for typical /reply markup the same is true: you should put "p-name" explicitly on the same element as your "e-content" or "p-content"
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Loqi Semantic navigation with the nav element Wednesday, July 15th, 2009 by Tom Leadbetter. Tweet
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miklb mf2doctor
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miklb :-D
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tantek miklb - we do have markup examples in (most?) other post types, e.g. https://indieweb.org/RSVP#Publish_an_RSVP
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tantek I think it's just that /note and /reply were both written before we started doing that consistently, and their markup was more "obvious" at the time (to folks who discussed it clearly, not to new folks), so such examples were unintentionally neglected
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tantek but your general point is correct, each post type (or any format) should have simple markup examples
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miklb what is p-name
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "p-name" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek heh
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Loqi [superfeedr] "? This Week in Google #400: Toot, Not Tweet" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-14 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/14/this-week-in-google-400-toot-not-tweet/
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@ChrisAldrich Kevin Marks guests on TWiG and discusses Indieweb, Mastodon, and GNU Social http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/14/this-week-in-google-400-toot-not-tweet/ (twitter.com/_/status/853421047311368193)
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tantek miklb I'll take a look at writing those up (how to markup for both /note and /reply, and p-name definition) tonight
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miklb tantek++
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GWG Does anyone have single comment displays?
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GWG I'm setting up comment permalinks and they have to go somewhere.
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[mko] You could use permalinks that link to the entry they're commenting on and then the page position (i.e. `#anchor-fragment`).
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GWG [mko]: That is one option.
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[mko] My updated site treats them as primitives similar to how Medium handles replies/comments.
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GWG How does Medium do it?
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[mko] Atomic objects with single comment displays aggregated at the bottom of the entry's page.
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[mko] https://medium.com/figma-design/an-alternative-approach-to-rate-limiting-f8a06cf7c94c
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[mko] comments at bottom of page https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F4ZQQNLS0/screen_shot_2017-04-15_at_8.06.54_pm.png?pub_secret=e98f919adf&name=Screen Shot 2017-04-15 at 8.06.54 PM.png
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[mko] https://medium.com/@snmcqueen/i-love-the-article-the-diagrams-make-this-really-clear-and-fun-to-read-ac8e5ca62ace
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[mko] comment on its own page https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F4ZMT82GK/screen_shot_2017-04-15_at_8.07.34_pm.png?pub_secret=54cf5ce78b&name=Screen Shot 2017-04-15 at 8.07.34 PM.png
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GWG Interesting
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GWG Wonder how to mark that up...
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[mko] I just treat the `comment` as an `in-reply-to` `h-entry`.
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GWG [mko]: That is interesting.
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[mko] I haven't rewritten my `inreplyto` entry layout yet in my new site. This is how I did it before, though:
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[mko] ```
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[mko] {{#if entry.inreplyto}}
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[mko] <div class="reply-header"><i class="icon fa fa-reply"></i><span class="text">In Reply To</span></div>
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[mko] <section class="reply-context">
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[mko] <div class="reply-context-detail">
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[mko] {{#each entry.inreplyto}}
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[mko] </div>
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[mko] <a href="{{this}}" class="u-in-reply-to h-cite{{#compare entry._t "like" operator="=="}} u-like-of{{/compare}}{{#compare entry._t "favorite" operator="=="}} u-favorite-of{{/compare}}" rel="in-reply-to" target="_blank">{{truncurl this}}</a>
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[mko] {{/each}}
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[mko] <div id="replyembeds"></div>
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[mko] </section>
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[mko] <section class="main e-content entry-content p-name entry-title">
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[mko] <p>{{tweetify entry.content}}</p>
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[mko] </section>
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[mko] ```
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[mko] Not sure if that code-block works in IRC, so here's a gist of it: https://gist.github.com/mko/157436bd8c25c5994481ac81476b9983
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GWG [mko]: I have to explore how people will parse it. But as an in-reply-to entry may be a parsing issue due the fact it is someone else's in reply on my site.
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[mko] I'm using a variety of handlebars helpers in there, but if you strip out that stuff, it's pretty straightforward and parsed properly when displaying them on my site previously.
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[mko] It shouldn't be a problem, since you're setting that user as the author `h-card` in the entry markup.
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[mko] Now, if you're not allowing true "comments" but are actually only allowing comments by way of `webmention`, then it's a different story. Then you wouldn't want the permalink of the comment to be on your site but rather on their site where they *should* have the `u-in-reply-to` implemented referencing your site.
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GWG [mko]: I can't really do that, except by markup on the page.
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GWG The issue comes that I need permalinks so someone can webmention a webmention, basically.
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[mko] Right. I guess I'm not seeing the issue here.
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GWG [mko]: Trying to implement a flexible solution for WordPress. I try to be as general as possible.
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[mko] Let me run through the scenario:
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[mko] 1. You have a standard entry called "Entry 1". This is Permalink 1 and on your site.
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[mko] 3. You reply to that webmention with your own webmention called "Comment 2". This is Permalink 3 and on your site.
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[mko] 2. Someone comments with a webmention called "Comment 1". This is Permalink 2 and on some other site.
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[mko] At this point, you have a standard entry with a set of comments below it. If a user clicks on "Comment 1", it takes the user away from your site to the one referenced by Permalink 2. On their site, assuming they have proper webmention comment displays, the user can then click on their representation of "Comment 2" to visit Permalink 3 and return to your site.
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[mko] And on the permanent post page for "Comment 2" you could either only show the immediate previous `u-in-reply-to` context or you could walk the chain of `u-in-reply-to` contexts by parsing each subsequent `u-in-reply-to` until you've reached the furthest parent. Not really a computationally efficient way to do it, but it's always an option.
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[mko] The "show only the immediately previous `u-in-reply-to` context" is effectively how Medium has it implemented.
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GWG Yes. I'm going to have to think more.
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@jkphl Today 1 year ago we had the 1st @indiewebcamp in Nuremberg. Join us for the 2nd one, May 20-21, it'll be fun again!… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/853512073413890049 (twitter.com/_/status/853512073413890049)
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sknebel good morning!
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doubleloop sknebel: .o/
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[jeremycherfas] Good morning
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sknebel anyone else working on some indieweb project? I'm trying to complete micropub.rocks ;)
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[jeremycherfas] Right now I’m just writing up a visit I made this morning. Maybe later, if there’s time, I’ll do some indieweb.
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[kevinmarks] I did my mastodon thing
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Zegnat [kevinmarks]: what stopped you from grabbing the https://instances.mastodon.xyz/list list dynamically?
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[kevinmarks] I got a 54 error when I tried
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[kevinmarks] (connection reset by peer)
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[kevinmarks] Wonder it it is that appengine fetching appengine thing?
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[kevinmarks] Or maybe they block default useragents
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Zegnat Ah, alright, odd that.
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amdt A many people running personal instances of Mastodon?
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amdt This list of over 800 instances is giving me anxiety.
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plindner It'll be 801 when I add mine...
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amdt I thought mstdn.jp might be a good choice since it’s supporting many users and I’m in Japan.
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Zegnat The idea of Federation is that it shouldn’t really matter what instance you pick :)
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amdt This server's admin's profile says (translated) 'I'm running an instance for the time being, although we lost the data twice'.
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@jkphl @hardfire @indiewebcamp Do it! I'd be in! :) (twitter.com/_/status/853618782958489601)
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@jkphl @hardfire @indiewebcamp (I always wanted to visit Nepal) (twitter.com/_/status/853619637833093121)
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@hardfire @jkphl @indiewebcamp Awesome! And I'd always wanted to organize a conference :D have done a lot of meetups and hackathons. (twitter.com/_/status/853619883577180160)
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petermolnar re Zegnat: I gather the old audioscrobbler stuff from docs I've found around, but there is nothing on the current version; I also couldn't name it anything-audioscrobbler because it's a trademark
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Loqi [superfeedr] "By: WordPress Digest" by WordPress Digest on 2017-04-15 https://twitter.com/DigestWordpress/status/853334972102459392
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[kevinmarks] well, it makes a difference in what timeliens yu see by default in mastodon
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[kevinmarks] @amdt this is a sample of the local timeline: http://www.unmung.com/mastoview?url=mstdn.jp&view=local - so if you're comfortable with japanese it may suit you
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked this tweet: ChrisAldrich on Twitter: &#8220;Outline of how I used #Indieweb technology to let Twitter users send @mentions to me on my own website. #WordPress https://t.co/IVY7GEVnkJ&#8220;" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-16 http://techlifeweb.com/15852-2/
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aaronpk whoa, there's a new "Verified" tab on twitter
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aaronpk i think it's showing me replies and likes from only verified accounts
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@josemurilo A dinâmica do #opensocial: @ntbxp descreve o cenário #indieweb onde se desenvolve a mais nova revolução da Internet… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/853682652402126848 (twitter.com/_/status/853682652402126848)
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sknebel aaronpk++ for micropub.rocks, while it is taking me a lot longer than planned it is satisfying to see green checkmarks appear :)
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sknebel (also found a bug in mp.rocks, github issue opened)
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aaronpk i saw, thanks!
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amz3` io
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Wayny Hi. I'm looking to start my 1st website!
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miklb Wayny howdy! have you looked at https://indiewebify.me ?
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miklb IndieWeb doesn't advocate a particular platform, but there are users here from all types, so feel free to ask away.
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: do you already have a domain name?
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Wayny Hi miklb & KartikPrabhu. Yes I have but at the mo. I'm looking from the very beginning & yes I do have a domain name. Never ever done anything like this b4!
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: any particular thing you want to do with your website?
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Wayny Yes. Social media. The full works!
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Wayny I would prefer to not use webhosting site!
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: do you have content on your website already or are you looking to start completely from scratch?
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Wayny Looking to start completely from scratch!
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: you might want to take a look at WithKnown to start of https://indieweb.org/known It can be installed on your own server if that is what you'd like to do
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: there are also various indieweb plugins for Wordpress https://indieweb.org/WordPress#Getting_Started
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Wayny Like I said I am new to this. This is one of few things I don't know to do. I have no knowledge apart from I would like to get this up & running as soon as I can.
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Wayny To say I'm green on this or wet between the ears is an understatement!
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Wayny I would also like it very secured because of some of the issues that would be covered!
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Wayny When you say server. Would that be my internet server?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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Wayny errmm. That would be BT then. Not good!
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: to host any website you would need a server that sends your files around
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Wayny Well OK that would be a start. I'll face the music as & when it comes as long as I don't loss my website.
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Wayny The next step would be as I have a server?
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: or some place to "host" your website
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KartikPrabhu I would still recommend trying out WithKnown to start with. THey seem to have guides on how to install it on various hosting services https://withknown.com/guides/
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Wayny Example of some other place to host my website?
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KartikPrabhu what is hosting?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
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KartikPrabhu see that link ^
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Wayny Thank you very much for all this & your time. I will come back tomoro after I've done some studying on this links. It's much appreciated.
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: no problem, feel free to kee asking questions on this channel
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Wayny Ok thanks I will! x
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Wayny P.S. I.e. www.domain.com that give me total control without it being taken down for some reason!
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KartikPrabhu Wayny: you can use any domain name provider and hosting service that you'd like
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KartikPrabhu except then you might need to do some technical stuff to install things that they might not support out-of-the-box
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miklb is there a mf2 class for a wrapper of the content you are replying to? I know u-in-reply-to on the actual link, curious if something like "p-in-reply" exists.
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aaronpk i think you're looking for h-cite
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/reply-context#Markup
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miklb oh, neat. tantek added some markup to /reply-context#Markup is what I was looking for. cheers
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miklb er, added to /reply, but /reply-context is what I was looking for