#indieweb 2017-04-17

2017-04-17 UTC
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miklb thanks again for that link aaronpk. I believe my replies mf2 now parse correctly. (helped to realize I didn't have a closing html tag as well)
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aaronpk cool
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miklb I think that's going to be my next contribution to the WP post-kinds plugin. Individual templates for each kind.
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GWG miklb++
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chatter29 hey guys
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chatter29 allah is doing
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chatter29 sun is not doing allah is doing
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chatter29 to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
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KartikPrabhu I thought that was banned ^
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KartikPrabhu that nickname
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: spammer again ^^
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aaronpk I thought so too
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miklb has the crazy idea to just do a whole indie WP theme
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miklb using the same framework I used for my site
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[jhsheridan] miklb are you building yout indieweb site with Wordpress?
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miklb [jhsheridan] yes, I switched from Jekyll a few months ago
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[jhsheridan] I'm thinking of doing the same
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[jhsheridan] What all plugins have you used to help?
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KartikPrabhu any particular reason to ditch Kejyll?
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KartikPrabhu Jekyll*
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miklb KartikPrabhu was starting to just feel too fragile with so many bits hooked up for webmentions/micropub. I had GitHub, Travis CI & Heroku all working together to push the site to my VPS.
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KartikPrabhu wow!
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miklb JHSheridan I'm using the webmention, semantic linkbacks, syndication links and bridgy-publish (plus the core IW plugin).
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miklb KartikPrabhu yeah. Plus using webmention.io
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[jhsheridan] and what all silos are you posse'ing to?
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miklb JHSheridan also the indieweb-post-kinds
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miklb JHSheridan mostly Twitter
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miklb I'd like to integrate GitHub at some point. I know it can be done with Known, so no reason WP couldn't
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[jhsheridan] I see... hope you don't mind the interrogation. I am not new to the idea of indieweb, but I just hadn't had the chance yet to build an indieweb site. About to have that chance, so I'm going back thru and assessing the available tools.
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miklb JHSheridan no worries.Ask away
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[jhsheridan] I do like known, but, while I have all of the common reservations about Wordpress, it does seem to me like WP, for better or worse, is going to be around, so maybe WP would be a good area to contribute
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miklb KartikPrabhu I had a micropub microservice written by voxpelli running on Heroku that could push to GH, so could use Quill. Travis picked up the commits, built and deployed to my VPS. Some code I wrote in the Rakefile would parse the Twitter response from bridgy and write to a json file for use for syndication links, and then push that back to my GH repo to do a round trip and add the link and cache webmentions brought in from webmention.io.
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miklb Fragile
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KartikPrabhu yeah that sounds very complicated. I guess that's due to Jekyll being a static generator?
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miklb pretty much
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[jhsheridan] is your site live, miklb? Would you mind if I took a look?
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miklb [jhsheridan] sure. miklb.com
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miklb KartikPrabhu it was a good exercise to learn how to do all of that, but just not tenable. Build times were getting crazy, and I never was able to debug where that was coming from.
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[jhsheridan] Looks great! So are the Notes what you are posse'ing to twitter? And then just blogging thru regular WP means
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miklb [jhsheridan] yep. I keep an instance of my WP site in a menu bar pinned app w/Fluid, so just pop that open to fire off a note. At least I try. I'm still a little quick in Tweetbot.
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miklb JHSheridan I also have been working on doing Quote Tweets originating from my site and think I've finally fixed the mf2 for replies to originate from the site as well.
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miklb next is bookmarks
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[jhsheridan] That is all really valuable information... thank you
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miklb my pleasure.
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miklb I was going to just open source my theme for people to pick over, but think it might be better to just build a 2 column theme with the same framework as a foundation with widget areas and custom header image support. There aren't enough IndieWeb WP themes as it is.
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[jhsheridan] Yeah... I just saw the two listed on the wiki
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miklb I used GWG's fork of underscores with mf2 support as a starting point, so a lot of that code is portable.
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miklb https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_s]
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[jhsheridan] oh nice... I've used underscores before
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miklb it's a bit outdated, but if you know a little WP it will save a lot of work
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[jhsheridan] yeah... that's what's drawing me to WP. Have done so many WP sites over the years
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[jhsheridan] So many ppl are WP-fluent, seems like doing more open source WP indieweb stuff could be a lot of bang for the buck
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miklb agreed
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miklb that's why I was thinking a theme that was built with basic customization but also mf2 & support for the other IW plugins would be good to have. Maybe even some customizer support at some point
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[jhsheridan] sounds great
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GWG miklb, it really needs updating to be honest
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GWG I have not updated it for the many changes I have made since I created it.
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miklb I tried to provide that caveat, but it still gives a good idea of where to start with mf2 support.
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GWG miklb
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GWG Too many things, never enough time.
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GWG I am glad you want to take on differentiated presentation, although I may break it at some point
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miklb break what?
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miklb I'm not planning on using mf2_s it's just a good place to get ideas for how to add mf2 support to a theme.
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miklb I'm just not bought into _s, mf2 or otherwise
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miklb gah. I can't seem to get my reply template right to save my life. Now bridgy is saying "can't find a tweet to reply to" but when I use pin13 it shows a u-in-reply-to
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miklb even bridgy error page shows the in-reply-to link
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miklb gives up and takes up snake charming
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GWG miklb, break the templates when I redo the meta system
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miklb you mean post-kinds?
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GWG Yes
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miklb oh. I thought you were talking about the mf2_s needing updating.
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miklb besides, seems I'm not grasping mf2 well enough to customize the templates anyway. :-(
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GWG Neither am I sometimes
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miklb doh! RTFM Michael
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GWG ?
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miklb aaronpk gave me a link earlier on marking up replies with h-cite and I didn't read it close enough. If you put u-in-reply-to on the h-cite, then the url you are replying to gets u-url
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miklb and like that, replies and quote tweets working properly with embedded tweets ✔️
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miklb GWG it would so much as break the templates as just be changing how to retrieve the data, right?
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miklb s/would/wouldn't/
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GWG miklb: Yes, with minor changes it would be fine.
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miklb though now I have these working, I may just freeze that part in amber
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GWG I don't know how to dowhat I want yet
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miklb which is?
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GWG Well, I want to simplify the Kind_Meta class like I just did for the Taxonomy stuff
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miklb I've not read through that code yet.
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GWG I just keep refining
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@t #100DoPP d87 Great time @IndieWebCamp Nürnberg a year ago. Highly recommend it again this year https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg (ttk.me t4nt1) (twitter.com/_/status/853867161982468096)
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@jkphl @t @indiewebcamp We'll miss you this time, Tantek. Hopefully the next year again! :) (twitter.com/_/status/853873169920348161)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "wakest shared a status by mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se" on 2017-04-17 https://mastodon.social/users/wakest/updates/1900994
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Loqi [superfeedr] "wakest shared a status by kevinmarks@quitter.no" on 2017-04-17 https://mastodon.social/users/wakest/updates/1900995
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@m_ott v0.2.0 of my Internet Archive plugin for @CraftCMS lets you save all URLs of your site with a single click https://github.com/matthiasott/internetarchive #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/853916087590768640)
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[chrisaldrich] good morning indiewebs
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[chrisaldrich] !tell miklb: Good idea opensourcing your theme! If you have a moment, could you add your thoughts here? https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Development#Themes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb [chrisaldrich] I'm sure I will be writing about it. I'll try to link to it from the wiki
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Loqi miklb: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 2 minutes ago: Good idea opensourcing your theme! If you have a moment, could you add your thoughts here? https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Development#Themes
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[smth] Hi. First message here, but have been interested in IndieWeb for a while, and slowly moving my site in that direction. I'm thinking at the moment about "notes", in particular the naming of them. Is there any argument for explicitly naming them as such (as often seems to be the case, and the wiki could be seen to suggest), or was that not the intention? ("notes" has unwanted connotations for me)
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[chrisaldrich] I've been working on porting the 2012 theme lately (and considering 2015 next). I'd appreciate your thoughts on it having just gone through something similar.
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[chrisaldrich] Welcome smth!
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aaronpk [smth]: is there a particular reason you want to name them? and do you mean naming them like they are blog posts with a name?
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[smth] I mean naming that section of my site. Primarily because I think they will not be at the root of the site (probably a subdomain), and I'm thinking about what that URL might be.
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect others will have their views on the actual name. Notes is a good common vocabulary, and the way you mark them up on your site should follow the standard pattern.
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[chrisaldrich] There's no reason though why you couldn't call them toots, tweets, status updates or something else as a public facing label though.
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aaronpk [smth]: ah I see! yes there are several things people call these... notes, statuses, status updates,
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aaronpk i've seen people use a subdomain like "social"
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[chrisaldrich] Or even domains like micro.blog ?
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[smth] Yeah, I was thinking maybe`s.` for social.
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aaronpk out of curiosity, why do you want them on a subdomain instead of your main domain?
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb! Hope everyone had a great weekend.
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil Lots of food; not enough food posts! ?
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[cleverdevil] Hah, same here, chrisaldrich
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[cleverdevil] Spent some time over the weekend working on an "On This Day" feature for Known.
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[cleverdevil] Ran into a wall with the data layer's query capabilities.
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[cleverdevil] afaict, it only supports: `=`, `not`, and `in`.
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[cleverdevil] It doesn't support `<`, `>`, or `like`.
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[cleverdevil] Also doesn't seem to support functions like `date`.
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[chrisaldrich] that doesn't make things as easy now does it? Have you asked about it in their Google Group?
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[cleverdevil] Not yet.
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[cleverdevil] I likely will do that today ?
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[smth] Essentially to avoid a clash of technologies. I currently use Jekyll for my longer posts (which I'm happy with), but want something easier to post from a phone for notes (something with a database). I'm thinking Craft CMS for the latter. It'd be nice to integrate the two, but I imagine it might be a headache.
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aaronpk [smth]: makes sense
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voxpelli [smth]: or you connect a Micropub API to your Jekyll store, that's what I did
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[smth] I'll look into that @voxpelli Is there documentation on doing that anywhere?
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voxpelli [smth]: here's my project: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github There are some other projects as well, in eg Ruby
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voxpelli What is Jekyll?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Jekyll
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voxpelli ^ some docs there as well (but apparently no summary on that wiki page :/ )
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[chrisaldrich] voxpelli: It looks like it's formatted properly to give a definition, am I missing something?
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aaronpk ah i messed something up hang on
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aaronpk what is jekyll?
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Loqi Jekyll is Ruby software that helps you create "Simple, blog-aware, static sites" suitable for static domain hosting https://indieweb.org/Jekyll
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@cleverdevil Yes: My first IndieWeb Summit. Looking forward to it!: https://cleverdevil.io/2017/yes-my-first-indieweb-summit-looking-forward-to-it (twitter.com/_/status/854013629578055681)
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KartikPrabhu what does blog-aware mean?
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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[jeremycherfas] I do something similar, as does chrisaldrich My main site uses Grav CMS with a subdomain that uses WithKnown. Chris has WP for his main site and WithKnown for the stream subdomain. And dgold has, I think, Hugo and WithKnown.
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[jeremycherfas] !tell chrisaldrich Too busy cooking and eating to photograph. But it was delicious.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove what is Grav?
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Loqi Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/grav
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[chrisaldrich] smth The trouble with /multi-site_indieweb is that you've got to be able to pay attention to and administer multiple sites.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 1 minute ago: Too busy cooking and eating to photograph. But it was delicious.
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gRegorLove [jeremycherfas]: Noticed your avatar is broken in the examples section there ^
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[jeremycherfas] Rats. I need to investigate. Thanks for the tip
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas I have a feeling it's to do with the security settings I mentioned to you last week. Your vaviblog site (where the image lives) doesn't render in Chrome, but works in Firefox and other browsers.
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aaronpk proxying images hotlinked in the wiki is still on my list
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[jeremycherfas] gregorlove chrisaldrich I see the little avatar here, on Safari. Is that, do you think, because it is cached?
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas Visiting vaviblog.com in chrome gives a security error along with the message: "You cannot visit vaviblog.com right now because the website uses HSTS."
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gRegorLove [jeremycherfas]: I get an https cert warning in Chrome opening the avatar URL
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[jeremycherfas] Oh. Odd. And that’s the host over which I have no control.
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gRegorLove Similar, but I see "Your connection is not private"
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[jeremycherfas] Where does my user template live? I can’t see how to get there from my user page here https://indieweb.org/User:Jeremycherfas.net
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas the temporary fix (for the wiki portion at least) could be to change the url for the photo in http://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:jeremycherfas&action=edit to another site.
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[jeremycherfas] You just answered my question!
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gRegorLove When you edit a wiki page, at the very bottom is a list of links to templates used on the page, so your user template is there.
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[jeremycherfas] Can I link to a file on dropbox? I think I tried once and it didn’t like it.
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aaronpk i dont think dropbox provides direct image urls
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gRegorLove Interesting. chat.indieweb.org appears to be using an image proxy and showing [jeremycherfas] avatar there.
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[jeremycherfas] I’ve edited to show the same image from my main site; could you please look and see whether it now renders on the Grav page?
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gRegorLove Yep, works for me
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[jeremycherfas] Great. Thanks for helping me get to the bottom of that.
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[jeremycherfas] Gregorlove++
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[jeremycherfas] Next: retire vaviblog.com ?
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[cleverdevil] Any idea of a general area for the venue for IWS 2017?
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[cleverdevil] Need to book a hotel ?
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[cleverdevil] I am guessing Downtown somewhere.
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aaronpk i am also guessing downtown somewhere
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aaronpk i need to track down a venue ASAP
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[cleverdevil] Wish our office was a bit bigger ?
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aaronpk yeah, it's not quiiite big enough
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aaronpk the place we had it last year is gone
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petermolnar what will be the UTC start time for IWS? I was wondering on tanteks suggenstion on trying to organize something locally, and I could even use the local makespace "classroom" (hackerspace, but it's british, so different words) for it, though I'd be surprised if I could get anyone onboard :/
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aaronpk last year's schedule worked well so i imagine we'll follow that
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aaronpk i think we got things going at 9:30 or 10am local time, which is -8 from UTC
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miklb are the days still TBD?
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aaronpk days are set
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miklb yep, just updated home page, not sure how the dtime should be marked up exactly for 2 day event
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skippy does webmention.io save all webmentions for all URLs forever? Or does it expire / delete them after I fetch them?
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aaronpk skippy: it saves them forever
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skippy thanks.
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gRegorLove When is IWS?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IWS
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Yes: My first IndieWeb Summit. Looking forward to it!" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-17 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/yes-my-first-indieweb-summit-looking-forward-to-it
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gRegorLove Twitter let's you scrub some GIFs, apparently: Move your mouse left to write to scrub back and forth: https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/853989876521353217
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@evanmcmurry The moment in which it seems Melania Trump nudges Pres. Trump's hand during National Anthem. https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/C9n7PqtV0AAVmz9.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/853989876521353217)
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gRegorLove I guess it's been around since at keast 2015, but first I've seen it: https://www.engadget.com/2015/11/12/twitters-scratch-reel-lets-you-scrub-gifs-like-digital-lps/
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miklb looks like I may need to hack my feed if I want quote tweets to appear in it.
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[kevinmarks] This sounds a bit Homebrew https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/854017686208208896
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@jensimmons Are you in New York City? Free May 11? Interested in CSS Grid & webpage layout design? Join us at CSS Layout Club! https://www.meetup.com//CSS-Layout-Club/events/238389473/?showComments=true (twitter.com/_/status/854017686208208896)
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