#indieweb 2017-04-18

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gRegorLove
I might be mis-remembering. It's been a while. Some convo on page 3-4 here: https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=nofollow&page=3
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gRegorLove
Think it still makes sense on links in comments, and for use with vouch
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KartikPrabhu
yeah same here
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KartikPrabhu
shuldn't put nofollow on all external links for sure specially ones that are actually in your post
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@HackerEvents
IndieWebCamp on Saturday 04 November 10:00 @ Contentful (Germany) https://indiewebcamp.com/2017/Berlin
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[jeremycherfas]
Getting a warning from my WithKnown site. `Mixed Content: The page at 'https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/first-gt-of-the-season-and-no-lemon-in-the' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure image 'http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/file/a870b8126c82690546ca1d45aa8844da'. This content should also be served over HTTPS.` I think this may be a problem with ownyourgram, or if it isn’t, I’m not sure how to fix it.
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Loqi
[Jeremy Cherfas] First G&T of the season and no lemon in the house. The shame! https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/file/84efa24f54ecc7ebac2ea96b16dd9451/thumb.jpg
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KartikPrabhu
why did that ^ show up here?
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[jeremycherfas]
Good question. Because Loqi saw it in my previous post here?
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KartikPrabhu
oh sorry, Loqi pulling posts
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KartikPrabhu
yeah, my bad
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[jeremycherfas]
Nah. No problem, except that I had no lemon. 🙂
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[jeremycherfas]
what is rel=publisher?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "rel=publisher" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10gn
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sknebel
[jeremycherfas]: I get the same warnings for the user icons in rthe esponses
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sknebel
and those clearly are through other channels
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[jeremycherfas]
@sknebel So you are saying that this is not a problem from ownyourgram, but because withknown gets some assets from other sites that are not using https?
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sknebel
[jeremycherfas]: no, since they are all from your local site. with the main image via ownyourgram it would have been possible that OYG sets an http url for some reason, but if I see it right stuff like the comment avatars are cached by known itself
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sknebel
so this seems like a known bug/misconfiguration to me
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sknebel
(you didn't add HTTPS just recently, right?)
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[jeremycherfas]
I added https weeks ago.
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[jeremycherfas]
I suppose I should raise an issue with known.
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skippy
webmention.io says "If you configure a web hook for a site, webmention.io will send a post request every time a webmention is received and verified. You will not receive webhooks for webmentions that are invalid." but I don't see how / where to register a web hook.
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aaronpk
skippy: give me a minute and i can help. more like 30 minutes
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skippy
no rush. i'm not in a position to implement right now. still gathering data to make an imeplemtnation plan.
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skippy
if there's docs / a gist / howto i can read. thanks!
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martymcguire[m]
skippy: once you log in to webmention.io there is a dashboard page: https://webmention.io/dashboard
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martymcguire[m]
it includes a "Web Hook" section where you can enter a URL for a web hook and an optional secret key for wm.io to pass along for verification.
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martymcguire[m]
if i understand correctly, each domain that you've logged into wm.io with will have a webhook option box on that page.
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skippy
i see no such options. does it not show those options until I actually add the <link rel=...> bits to my site(s)?
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aaronpk
You'll need to receive a webmention first
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skippy
ah. okay
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skippy
thanks!
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@grigs
Learned about Bridgy because they are a sponsor of IndieWeb Summit coming to Portland in June. I hope to attend. https://2017.indieweb.org/
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[cleverdevil]
Good morning, IndieWeb.
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snarfed
hey cleverdevil
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[jeremycherfas]
Hey cleverdevil: have you been engaging more on the Google group for WithKnown than here?
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[cleverdevil]
I've tried both. Neither gets much in the way of a response.
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[cleverdevil]
Pull requests also stay open for very long periods.
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aaronpk
still has some open pull requests
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[cleverdevil]
It's a time of transition for the project I think, but it's sort of sad to see :/
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[cleverdevil]
It might be valuable for a few of us to volunteer to police pull requests (review, merge, etc.)
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snarfed
mapkyca has been doing that for a while
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aaronpk
i was never clear on his role. is he "official"? does he have to review everything? should others be stepping up to help review?
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snarfed
and benwerd has made noises that he might have a bit more time for it now that he's in a different job and matter's application deadline has passed for this upcoming class
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snarfed
knows nothing official
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[cleverdevil]
Yeah, I think just a frank conversation between the appropriate parties would help.
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[jeremycherfas]
After all the reassurances that “nothing would change” I had been hoping that things would change — for the better.
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jaduncan[m]
I want to apologise to you all.
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jaduncan[m]
Today I changed my main domain to Known.
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jaduncan[m]
Naturally this would bring such issues. ;)
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Loqi
[cleverdevil]: lol
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[cleverdevil]
Known is a great platform, and I think it *can* have a bright future.
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[cleverdevil]
But, it could definitely use a shot in the arm from a leadership perspective.
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[cleverdevil]
Its pretty easy to work with, and has a lot of potential.
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snarfed
erin jo is definitely still working on the business and product full time
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snarfed
but not the code or repo much
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[cleverdevil]
Yeah, Ben mentioned that.
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[cleverdevil]
Which is awesome! I'm glad that there's a business still operating.
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snarfed
maybe. sometimes when a project also has to be a Product or Business, or when people think that, it sometimes seems like an albatross around its neck
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snarfed
projects definitely need sustainable funding. there are just lots of different shapes and sizes between full-fledged startup and all-volunteer.
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skippy
what is the "correct" (or preferred?) way to handle webmentions to the root of a site? Should I not put <link rel...> tags on my home page,but only on content pages?
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snarfed
skippy: totally up to you!
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martymcguire[m]
skippy: many folks accept mentions of their homepage for various reasons
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martymcguire[m]
see /mentions and /person-tag
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martymcguire[m]
i show mine at https://martymcgui.re/mentions/
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jaduncan[m]
I wonder if Known has a slightly different deal, though. Matter are VCs, and thus almost certainly have growth targets for continued funding. I wouldn't be that surprised if erin jo is doing a lot of biz dev/sales work.
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[cleverdevil]
I'm sure that's what she's doing. Busy building sites, working on selling and marketing, etc.
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[cleverdevil]
Things that drive revenue.
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miklb
GWG is there a filter or setting I'm missing to not add a title when retrieving a URL for a reply or quote?
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snarfed
huh a couple new FB API changes announced at F8 look relevant to us
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snarfed
1. opening up their venue db (much more): https://developers.facebook.com/products/places
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snarfed
2. better "URL engagement" API (ie likes reactions etc on shared links): https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.9/url
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@voxpelli
@persand Momentumet för @indiewebcamp med vänner blir bara större för var dag som går ;) WebMention och Micropub på god väg genom W3C
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@josemurilo
#indieweb~#Mastodon não tem usuários, tem pessoas. Você pode até chamá-los de membros (das instâncias), não usuários https://ecodigital.social/@josemurilo/7544
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@ncollig_net
@rMdes_ \o/ And @HwcBrussels meeting on Thursday in Brussels! #Indieweb
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snarfed
ugh wordpress webmention + semantic linkbacks keep regressing further and further back for me :( e.g. https://snarfed.org/2017-04-18_24079#comment-2603911
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Loqi
Aaron Gibson
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aaronpk
Oh dear.
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aaronpk
I think that's a Known issue tho?
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aaronpk
i submitted a PR for the Known markup for likes/bookmarks recently
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snarfed
maybe!
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GWG
snarfed, we need more active developers on it. I have done a lot of stuff, but it is far from finished.
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GWG
miklb, not specifically, but you can propose it
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GWG
The parsing section has not been touched in a long while
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aaronpk
if you look at the parsed version of that URL, it's missing the 'like-of' property and the 'name' is a mess https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fknown.aegibson.me%2F2017%2Fsnarfedorg-1
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miklb
GWG will do.
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aaronpk
i don't know how that markup ever worked, it was kind of a mess. i fixed it here https://github.com/idno/Known/pull/1690
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GWG
I am working on trying to fold Webmentions for Comments into Webmentions... because one less plugin.
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miklb
GWG I saw a similar issue, so added to that.
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gRegorLove
!tell funwhilelost Awesome on starting Seattle HWC! Did you see we're having an IWC in Bellingham? Would be great if you could join. /2017/Bellingham
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Salt
!tell funwhilelost o/ look forward to making a future Seattle HWC and wrangling you into an October IWC
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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skippy
"Known issue". The irony is rich.
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Salt
gRegorLove, I recall there being a way to send webmentions without implementing the functionality (super low on time), can that be done through webmention.rocks? or was it a page on indieweb.org itself?
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gRegorLove
Salt: To send *from* your site? You can use curl
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gRegorLove
I think you're just referring to your rsvp post, right?
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Salt
right
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gRegorLove
Presumably that works if changing the target to /bellingham
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aaronpk
oh yeah i forgot i did that :)
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gRegorLove
woot! Attendees incoming for IWC Bellingham
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Loqi
😃
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gRegorLove
skippy: I think that makes issues for all other software "Un-Known issues" right? :)
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miklb
has lots of un-known issues
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miklb
btw, everyone say hi to skippy. He just switched to Hugo and is exploring indieweb things, has had a blog for a long time.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Reply to Rachel Andrew’s “It’s more than just the words”" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-18 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/18/reply-to-rachel-andrews-its-more-than-just-the-words/
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skippy
hi everyone!
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skippy
i'm mulling over how to add webmentions to a static site. Or if it's too much hassle for too little personal benefit at this time.
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gRegorLove
o/ skippy
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gRegorLove
What is webmention.herokuapp.com?
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Loqi
webmention.herokuapp.com is http://voxpelli.com/avatar.jpgPelle Wessman's Webmention endpoint as a service, for both receiving and displaying (via JS embed) webmentions https://indieweb.org/webmention.herokuapp.com
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gRegorLove
skippy ^ That's one option
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aaronpk
what is webmention.io?
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Loqi
webmention.io is an open-source project and hosted service for receiving webmentions and pingbacks on behalf of your indieweb site https://indieweb.org/webmention.io
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aaronpk
and another one ^
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aaronpk
the herokuapp.com one has more of a UI built in. webmention.io just makes the data available as JSON and you have to embed it with your own JS
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voxpelli
🙈 that wasn't a nice looking summary for my endpoint (the Heroku one - which has embed option, hosted mention pages and JSON API)
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gRegorLove
Once some PRs get into php-mf2, should resolve those img URLs
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gRegorLove
Actually, think they're in master, just not a new release
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voxpelli
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gregorlove has 85 karma in this channel (116 overall)
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miklb
GWG I'm going to try and incorporate my comment form & custom query into standard get form/get comments so I can start using/testing the comment webmentions
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skippy
thanks all.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Domain Swap!" on 2017-04-18 http://calagator.org/events/1250471801
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Loqi
Domain Swap! on Tuesday, Apr 25, 7:00pm at Migration Brewery
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funwhilelost
@gRegorLove - thanks! I'd love to join you guys for that.
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Loqi
funwhilelost: Salt left you a message 1 hour, 35 minutes ago: o/ look forward to making a future Seattle HWC and wrangling you into an October IWC
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Loqi
funwhilelost: gRegorLove left you a message 1 hour, 40 minutes ago: Awesome on starting Seattle HWC! Did you see we're having an IWC in Bellingham? Would be great if you could join. /2017/Bellingham
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funwhilelost
@Salt me, too! And hopefully windsurfing soon. Small world!
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funwhilelost
lol, excuse the non-IRC mentions... I guess that's faux pas from all the Slack users by now.
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@rachelandrew
@ChrisAldrich I already know about Indieweb and all of the things mentioned, thanks.
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[keithjgrant]
😕
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martymcguire[m]
Hmm.
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miklb
I don't think it's terse after seeing it in context
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@Moturoais
#indiefilm tip: ABA =Always Be Advertising. Let ppl know both the format and who has your film. #indie #film #indieweb #indiedoc
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Comment on @Mentions from Twitter to My Website by Srikanth Perinkulam" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/15/mentions-from-twitter-to-my-website/#comment-34476
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tantek_
waves from Tokyo
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tantek_
hey aaronpk, do you update your home page profile info (h-card) with micropub?
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aaronpk
No. I don't update it often enough to have made that happen yet
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tantek_
good evening #indieweb
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GWG
Hello, tantek_
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tantek_
funwhilelost, keithjgrant, martymcguire, miklb - yeah I think in context, it is easy to read ChrisAldrich's post as (admittedly unintentional) mansplaining
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tantek_
I think the terseness was frankly the polite response ;)
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miklb
agreed. Could easily have said bugger off.
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tantek_
so that begs the question, what would have been a better reply (instead of a long 'splainy post)
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tantek_
(aside: I've known Rachel for years and can very much sympathize with her perspective)
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[cleverdevil]
Evening, folks.
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[cleverdevil]
Making nice progress tonight on an "On This Day" feature for my Known site.
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miklb
has anyone done anything with likes on WordPress comments?
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GWG
miklb: You mean locally? Or via webmention?
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miklb
well, locally, but sending a webmention for the like would be ideal.
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GWG
I thought about local likes akin to local comments.
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GWG
But Semantic Linkbacks supports receiving likes via webmentions.
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miklb
maybe I'm thinking of something for webmenton comments. Scenario - you write a in-reply-to to a post I've written. I "like" your comment on my site, and it sends back a like of that in-reply-to. If a native comment, someone could "like" that comment natively as well.
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miklb
more thinking aloud I guess.
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GWG
miklb: You want webmentions for comments.
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GWG
Exactly what I was trying to work on.
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miklb
cool. Working through understanding the Comment_Walker now
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tantek_
GWG does Semantic Linkbacks support webmention update and delete?
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GWG
Update but not delete.
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tantek_
not even delete to show the comment but with a strikethrough?
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tantek_
that's like an update but with different presentation
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GWG
Not yet
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tantek_
is there at least an open issue on it?
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GWG
Yes
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@NIVavilov
hey @EatPodcast I just want to check that you are receiving mentions. #indieweb FTW.
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