#indieweb 2017-04-19

2017-04-19 UTC
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miklb
I don't think it's terse after seeing it in context
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@Moturoais
#indiefilm tip: ABA =Always Be Advertising. Let ppl know both the format and who has your film. #indie #film #indieweb #indiedoc
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Comment on @Mentions from Twitter to My Website by Srikanth Perinkulam" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/15/mentions-from-twitter-to-my-website/#comment-34476
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tantek_
waves from Tokyo
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tantek_
hey aaronpk, do you update your home page profile info (h-card) with micropub?
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aaronpk
No. I don't update it often enough to have made that happen yet
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tantek_
good evening #indieweb
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GWG
Hello, tantek_
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tantek_
funwhilelost, keithjgrant, martymcguire, miklb - yeah I think in context, it is easy to read ChrisAldrich's post as (admittedly unintentional) mansplaining
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tantek_
I think the terseness was frankly the polite response ;)
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miklb
agreed. Could easily have said bugger off.
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tantek_
so that begs the question, what would have been a better reply (instead of a long 'splainy post)
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tantek_
(aside: I've known Rachel for years and can very much sympathize with her perspective)
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[cleverdevil]
Evening, folks.
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[cleverdevil]
Making nice progress tonight on an "On This Day" feature for my Known site.
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miklb
has anyone done anything with likes on WordPress comments?
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GWG
miklb: You mean locally? Or via webmention?
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miklb
well, locally, but sending a webmention for the like would be ideal.
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GWG
I thought about local likes akin to local comments.
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GWG
But Semantic Linkbacks supports receiving likes via webmentions.
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miklb
maybe I'm thinking of something for webmenton comments. Scenario - you write a in-reply-to to a post I've written. I "like" your comment on my site, and it sends back a like of that in-reply-to. If a native comment, someone could "like" that comment natively as well.
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miklb
more thinking aloud I guess.
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GWG
miklb: You want webmentions for comments.
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GWG
Exactly what I was trying to work on.
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miklb
cool. Working through understanding the Comment_Walker now
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tantek_
GWG does Semantic Linkbacks support webmention update and delete?
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GWG
Update but not delete.
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tantek_
not even delete to show the comment but with a strikethrough?
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tantek_
that's like an update but with different presentation
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GWG
Not yet
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tantek_
is there at least an open issue on it?
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GWG
Yes
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@NIVavilov
hey @EatPodcast I just want to check that you are receiving mentions. #indieweb FTW.
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@voxpelli
@persand Känns som det är lätt att komma igång med IndieWeb även utan projektpengar :) Ger gärna en intro en dag om du vill!
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tantek_
is starting to sympathize with being 8 hours off Pacific Time
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tantek_
so who's awake at this hour?
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[kevinmarks]
Where are you tantek?
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] a jpg. #100DoPP d89: Cherry blossoms, Tokyo style, backed by a skyscraper under construction. Photo taken Tuesday, Japan time. #cherryblossoms #flowers #spring #skyscraper #building #underconstruction #Tamachi #Tokyo #Japan #lookup #latergram #nofil... https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_hK7LFUdlNLV2bu1VudO5bytPcskPE1gzsAb1E9cXdAo.jpg
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[kevinmarks]
Oh, the other 8 hours
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[kevinmarks]
The land of many mastodon instances
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[kevinmarks]
Hit the random button on unmung.com/mastoview à few times
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tantek_
kevinmarks - I found out from Wendy that there is no dwebsummit this year - they're busy with grant stuf
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tantek_
and she suggested that I post an invitation to IndieWeb Summit on the dwebsummit Slack
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tantek_
but since you're already on slack - can you invite the dwebsummit folks to IndieWeb Summit?
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tantek_
(I'm assuming you're on their Slack as usual)
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tantek_
what is IndieWeb Summit?
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tantek_
what is 2017
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tantek_
when is IndieWeb Summit?
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit is on 2017-06-24 https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Summit
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tantek_
alrighty why is that not answering what is
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[kevinmarks]
If woodwind.xyz isn't coming back i may morph my mastodon thing into a feed reader
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sebsel
I believe bridgy has problems with Instagram
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Loqi
sebsel: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 6 days ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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sebsel
(oh, I haven't said much in a while I see, will look at it!)
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sebsel
snarfed is not around, I see, so made it an issue https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/745
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[kevinmarks]
What is contact?
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Loqi
communication in the context of the indieweb refers to using your personal website as a starting point and potentially way for people to contact you https://indieweb.org/contact
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2017/04/whatever-happened-to-uri-schemes/" to the "See Also" section of /communication
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Loqi
Whatever happened to URI Schemes?
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sebsel
hm, seems like XRay also stopped working on Instagram. I think they changed formats somewhere.
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aaronpk
that means ownyourgram might be not working too then
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[kevinmarks]
what is webfinger?
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[kevinmarks]
is loqi napping?
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Loqi
WebFinger is a discovery protocol for the web that uses email address-like identifiers to get info about users; it has been largely superseded on the indieweb by the use of personal web sites and representative h-card https://indieweb.org/WebFinger
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "By: Srikanth Perinkulam" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-04-19 https://srikanthperinkulam.com/2017/04/15/fetching-knocks/
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[cleverdevil]
Morning, folks.
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aaronpk
oof, instagram totally changed their JSON that's on the page. looks like an update to GraphQL
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[cleverdevil]
Unfortunately, it requires a change to Known core.
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[cleverdevil]
Gonna have to figure that out...
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KevinMarks
Does this mean you can make GraphQL queries and just get what you need?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: still easier to just parse this json
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aaronpk
tests++
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Loqi
tests has 6 karma in this channel (10 overall)
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snarfed
they actually shipped it on the home page back in feb, but evidently only just now switched proiles and individual photos/videos to it
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aaronpk
well i'm almost done fixing it
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Losing My Patience with Google+ #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-19 https://plus.google.com/+GideonRosenblatt/posts/Wrig2znc3r2
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning gRegorLove
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aaronpk
alright, fixes for xray are rolling out
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Loqi
aaronpk has 492 karma in this channel (1289 overall)
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[jeremycherfas]
!tell chrisaldrich I tool a look at the G&T issue and found what I think is a solution, posted as an issue
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas glad you found at least a temporary solution
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Loqi
[chrisaldrich]: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 10 minutes ago: I tool a look at the G&T issue and found what I think is a solution, posted as an issue
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Loqi
[chrisaldrich]: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 9 minutes ago: The issue link https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1704
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[chrisaldrich]
I just noticed that /pnut (a successor to ADN) logged the following issue to support webmention and microformats: https://github.com/pnut-api/api-spec/issues/31
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sknebel
[chrisaldrich]: 33mhz was in here a few days ago and asked around
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[jeremycherfas]
I wish I understood the full difference between strip_tags() and htmlspecialchars()
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas moi aussi
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[chrisaldrich]
sknebel: I've been watching them gestate some of it for a while, glad they're thinking about supporting it.
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snarfed
deployed bridgy/granary fixes for instagram
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funwhilelost
jeremycherfas: strip_tags replaces "<p>" with "", and htmlspecialchars replaces "<p>" with "&lt;p&gt;"
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funwhilelost
I think your update is far superior in the case of the RSS titles
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funwhilelost
Potentially you could propose htmlspecialchars(strip_tags("My post title"))
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funwhilelost
Then if someone did "My <b>Post</b> & Yours" it would result in "My Post &amp; Yours" - which is valid. But I don't see how/why HTML tags would end up in a post title...
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[jeremycherfas]
Trying to add webmention support to my WP site at eatthispodcast.com. I have the indieauth plugin activated, and have signed in at indieauth using Twitter to validate. But webmention rocks says it cannot find an authorization endpoint. What now?
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[jeremycherfas]
@funwhilelost this was something of an odd case in that the title in my Known stream was actually brought in there by ownyourgram as the caption of an image.
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snarfed
[jeremycherfas]: authorization? webmention shouldn't need authorization. are you maybe accidentally using micropub.rocks?
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[jeremycherfas]
Nope. Webmention.rocks receiver test #1
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[jeremycherfas]
I need to sign in, and I can’t seem to.
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KartikPrabhu
[jeremycherfas]: where are you running into trouble? I just signed in with Indieauth -> Github
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gRegorLove
Using https://www.jeremycherfas.net, indieauth is showing the Twitter account doesn't link back to the domain. Looks like only Github links back.
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Loqi
Jeremy Cherfas
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gRegorLove
Is that the domain you're signing in with?
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deathrow1|absnt
sknebel, gRegorLove: am obviously late. about to head on out. easy to find you at betahaus?
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[jeremycherfas]
No, I’m signing in with http://eatthispodcast.com which is another one of my sites
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sknebel
deathrow1|absnt: yes, just go in, we are sitting right in front of the counter
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gRegorLove
I may be late (I'm in western US ;)
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deathrow1|absnt
gRegorLove: hmm. confused. nick for sebastian greger?
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deathrow1|absnt
sknebel: great, thanks! see you soon =)
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[chrisaldrich]
snarfed++ for bridgy/granary maintainence
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Loqi
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deathrow1|absnt
needs to use wiki to map people to nicks based on https://twitter.com/sebastiangreger/status/854210856221016064
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@sebastiangreger
Tomorrow Wed 19.4. 19:00: 6th Homebrew Website Club Berlin (at Betahaus Cafe in Kreuzberg, U8/Moritzplatz) #indieweb http://sebastiangreger.net/2017/04/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-04-19/
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas Once you've downloaded the webmention plugin and activated it, you should be good to go.
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[chrisaldrich]
Though you _could_ test it against webmention.rocks, it should give you the basic functionality for sending/receiving.
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[jeremycherfas]
I thought I would test before trying anything else, because a test from Twitter this morning failed, and I had webmention plugin enabled.
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[jeremycherfas]
I’ll look at brid.gy’s log again
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gRegorLove
Huh, yeah, seems weird that webmention.rocks is saying to add <link rel="authorization_endpoint" href="https://indieauth.com/auth">
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[jeremycherfas]
Yeah. I’m going to give up on that as brid.gy now seems to have got through. Thanks snarfed and gregorlove And chrisaldrich
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gRegorLove
I guess it needs that to know to use indieauth.com; could use another service
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gRegorLove
Your primary domain has the authorization_endpoint, that's why it worked.
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas for backfeeding comments from silos via bridgy, you may want to work your way through https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy, particularly
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[jeremycherfas]
Yeah. The linkback hasn’t actually arrived at my /mentions page, as far as I can tell. But that’s another issue for another day. Baby steps.
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[chrisaldrich]
for comments, likes, etc. to come back from twitter via bridgy you'll also want to have u-syndication labeled links on your posts and this is most easily done with the syndication links plugin.
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas Keep in mind that native webmentions can get caught up in your spam filter, though I don't know that I've ever seen a case of Akismet marking anything from brid.gy as spam.
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gRegorLove
[jeremycherfas]: Twitter link appears broken on eatthispodcast.com: "http://@eatpodcast"
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snarfed
akismet has definitely marked bridgy backfeed as spam before. fix: https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy#Spam
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[jeremycherfas]
Haha. Just found your comment on the Australian podcast in Spam! But not my general shoutout.
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Loqi
[jeremycherfas]: lol
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[jeremycherfas]
gregorlove Where do you see that? Works for me, from the icon on the footer.
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gRegorLove
In the header
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[jeremycherfas]
Odd. Let me check.
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gRegorLove
Footer link works though, yes.
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[jeremycherfas]
Hhhmn. I see now. It is the one associated with the social media icon. Wonder where that’s coming from?
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[chrisaldrich]
I'd have to dig in to remember if turning off trackbacks/pingbacks also turns off webementions as well...
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[jeremycherfas]
That was an error from this morning, I believe. Right now, there is no log. And I checked pings for that page.
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[jeremycherfas]
That’s really interesting gregorlove. That error has been there a long time, and I never noticed. I need to try and remember how I put the link in there.
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Loqi
[Kit Redgrave ✅ (self-signed)] https://indieweb.org/monoculture hi mastodon
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas Based on it's location, it's probably something set by your theme. Check eatthispodcast.com/wp-admin/customize.php?return=%2Fwp-admin%2F
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[chrisaldrich]
or Appearance >> Customize
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sknebel
what is nextcloud news?
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Loqi
Nextcloud News is an "app" for the Nextcloud platform that provides an RSS aggregator and feed reader functionality https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud_News
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sknebel
does nextcloud news read h-feeds?
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sknebel
snarfed: I know ;)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Just installed the Mastodon plugin for #Known by @nxd4n - if you can see this test post on Mastodon it has worked! #indieweb https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-19 http://raretrack.uk/2017/just-installed-the-mastodon-plugin-for-known-by-nxd4n
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@schmarty
I love #IndieWeb, but I wish the "Syndicate Elsewhere" part of #POSSE was simpler. Some thoughts: https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/19/151612/
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martymcguire[m]
^^ would love other folks' thoughts on my post above. /syndication-brainstorming and /micropub_chaining are plumbing-heavy but close to what i am thinking of.
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GWG
Afternoon
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aaronpk
martymcguire[m]: I like it!
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GWG
Re post, is Amen to the title a thought?
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aaronpk
Most of the time I don't tweak the syndicated text at all so my site's syndication options that I choose in quill work fine
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aaronpk
(you're familiar with the syndication buttons in quill, right?)
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martymcguire[m]
haha, accepting all feedback including amens, GWG :}
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Loqi
rofl
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GWG
Bridgy does tell you if publishing is successful, by the way
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martymcguire[m]
aaronpk: I am! i have been hesitant to use the existing micropub syndication "stack" because I don't actually trust myself to construct posts that work on FB and Twitter the first time.
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martymcguire[m]
GWG: indeed it does! i didn't mean to imply otherwise. i'll make an edit.
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aaronpk
like I said, most of the time mine work but now and then I want to hand craft a different version for Twitter
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aaronpk
i like the idea of the syndication tool!
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GWG
Any idea on Syndication previews for Micropub as an extension?
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aaronpk
and Micropub update is a great way to add the syndicated URL afterwards
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GWG
That might be doable.
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martymcguire[m]
i almost scrapped my post when i saw the syndication updates as part of the micropub spec, haha
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aaronpk
The mini built-in Micropub client in p3k has a field to add syndication urls, which is what I do after I manually post one on Twitter for whatever reason
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martymcguire[m]
updated my post to be clearer what i mean about the "last mile" when syndicating through bridgy.
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snarfed
nice post martymcguire[m]. my posting flow is actually the same. manual until it hurts :P
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GWG
snarfed, it hurts me
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snarfed
yup! hurt is per person
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GWG
Not all manual, but some
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GWG
POSSE frequently is something that stalls me because the automation isn't there
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snarfed
martymcguire[m]: have you read https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb ? it addresses some of your post
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] Keep Bridgy Publish dumb
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GWG
I just don't want excuses to talk me out of posting
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martymcguire[m]
i haven't!
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martymcguire[m]
off to read
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snarfed
also martymcguire[m], you probably already know, but just in case, re "Brid.gy has no mechanism for informing my site that the new syndicated post is available," if you bridgy publish via webmention, it includes the syndicated post url in the response. https://brid.gy/about#response
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martymcguire[m]
snarfed: oh, good point, i should probably expand the "but bridgy can be automated" part of my post to note that.
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snarfed
no webhook for when you do it interactively though. understood.
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singpolyma
bridgy publish makes my life possible. A+
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snarfed
aww thanks!
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singpolyma
though every time I upgrade the wordpress webmention plugin something breaks :P but still, much better than all my old kludges
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GWG
snarfed, I have been trying to think of a polite response to the people who aren't happy with the Bridgy Publish plugin
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martymcguire[m]
also i don't mean for this post to sound like i am down on bridgy. :/ i ❤️ bridgy and bridgy publish!
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martymcguire[m]
snarfed++ for bridgy
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Loqi
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singpolyma
GWG: always, yeah
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martymcguire[m]
haha, heck, is there a way to donate to bridgy server costs? i would do that. :}
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singpolyma
To the patreon!
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GWG
singpolyma, I did some work on that recently.
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snarfed
martymcguire[m]: aww thanks! but no donations pls. https://brid.gy/about#cost
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singpolyma
GWG: I heard in master it's better, so maybe my next update will be the last time it breaks :)
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GWG
It is in the development version though
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GWG
singpolyma, I discovered that you needed to support trackbacks to get webmention and had to stop that
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singpolyma
GWG: oh? You didn't want trackbacks for some reason?
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GWG
singpolyma, I found it counterintuitive. So in the latest version custom post types have to declare support for webmentions
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singpolyma
yeah. so, I'll have to add that when I upgrade :) but hopefully then it stays working, since it's very explicit
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG: does one need to accept pingbacks/trackbacks to receive webmentions in general. jeremycherfas was having issues this morning, and I wasn't sure if that may have been a problem for him.
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GWG
singpolyma, I have a Trac ticket open about the fact that you have to declare support for trackbacks to get Pingbacks, also counterintuitive.
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singpolyma
[chrisaldrich]: on Wordpress with the plugin, normally yes
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singpolyma
GWG: I mean, they're all considered the same thing. The average Wordpress user doesn't know the names of the tech, they just want to be notified when someone links to them
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GWG
I want to be able to say what I support.
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GWG
singpolyma, this is at the developer, not the UI level
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singpolyma
Right. I mean, it seems odd to support one and not the other, since they're the same at the UI level
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GWG
singpolyma, I don't think Trackbacks can be saved and they are weighing down Pingbacks by association
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singpolyma
GWG: Shhh! Are we allowed to admit anything but Webmention exists in here? ;)
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GWG
I think being able to selectively disable Trackbacks would make people more willing to consider the benefits of Webmentions... some of which apply to Pingbacks
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singpolyma
You know that all the benefits of Webmentions can be applied to any of the other protocols, right? The main-cited "benefit" being checking if they link to you to prevent spam... which you can do no matter what protocol submitted the information to your system. At the bottom they're all just super-light protocols that send a source,dest URL pair to you in some format
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singpolyma
what you do with that pair is up to you
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GWG
singpolyma, I've laid out some of my Core WordPress thoughts in recent posts on my site
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GWG
singpolyma, I tried to suggest Trackbacks be source verified. It just seems like even if the old protocols could be adapted, it is just too hard to overcome perception of them.
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singpolyma
yeah. weird
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GWG
I have come to think it will work better to implement something with less baggage.
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GWG
Originally, the design of the webmention plugin mimicked Pingback design. I have been trying to submit PRs to move away from it in select areas
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GWG
Like storing the source in author URL
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singpolyma
Is that not the right place to store it?
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GWG
It isn't the author URL, it is the source URL.
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gRegorLove
martymcguire[m]: Have you tried the silo-specific options with Bridgy? https://brid.gy/about#silo-content
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gRegorLove
Still requires some more work up front to decide what text goes to each silo, though
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martymcguire[m]
gRegorLove: i have! it works for some of the things i want.
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GWG
singpolyma: Besides, meta wasn't an option back then, it is now
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martymcguire[m]
honestly, snarfed's post is right-on - what i want will likely require some serious UI and thar be dragons.
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@TechLifeWeb
Sometimes PESOS is just easier. #lazy #indieweb #tw
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snarfed
s/easier/possible at all/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Sometimes PESOS is just easier. #lazy #indieweb #tw" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-19 http://techlifeweb.com/15879-2/
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@cleverdevil
@DreamHostBrett just owning my own data, bro. #IndieWeb.
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martymcguire[m]
ok. updated my post w/ more clarity about bridgy.
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snarfed
martymcguire[m]++
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Loqi
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@cleverdevil
@DreamHostBrett upgrade that WordPress site of yours with the IndieWeb plugins, and I can reply directly from my site to yours like a boss!
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[cleverdevil]
#evangelism
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martymcguire[m]
i am still tempted to talk down this road and build this tool, haha.
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Loqi
martymcguire[m]: lol
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martymcguire[m]
i think i'll start w/ making my micropub server support queries and syndication edits.
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gRegorLove
tries to hack previews using https://brid.gy/publish/preview, fails (which is good :) )
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sknebel
TIL "micropub chaining" is an existing label. Needs to be linked better in the wiki, hard to find
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cweiske
what is micropub chaining
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Loqi
micropub chaining is when you have one micropub endpoint itself use micropub to post to another micropub endpoint, like to POSSE a post to silos, or to a community site or other commons https://indieweb.org/micropub_chaining
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "A reply to John Carlos Baez on “Bye-bye, Google+ — but what next?”" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/19/a-reply-to-john-carlos-baez-on-bye-bye-google-but-what-next/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Comment on ? Closing Communities: FFFFOUND! vs MLKSHK | Waxy.org by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/14/closing-communities-ffffound-vs-mlkshk/#comment-34492
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aaronpk
The term Micropub chaining always seemed more confusing to me than what's actually happening there
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sknebel
martymcguire[m]: from a UI perspective, closest to what you describe I've seen is posting UI that has extra fields for each syndication post content, but I have only seen that on WP sites that used neither bridgy publish nor Micropub
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snarfed
yup, e.g. jetpack and SNAP. also *lots* more UI examples of this outside indieweb, notably in bigger (often commercial) CMSes used by online publishers.
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martymcguire[m]
sknebel: i've seen that pattern several times myself
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martymcguire[m]
i have a complication that sometimes my "POSSE" version of a post is more like a teaser with a link back to the post
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martymcguire[m]
and those can't always be syndicated until the post actually exists at the eventual URL
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sknebel
martymcguire[m]: as in, you want to include a link to the post at a chosen location in the posse'd post?
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martymcguire[m]
sknebel: exactly. another case: i sometimes want FB to pick up the info in my post for the link preview
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aaronpk
In any case, it's usually good/fine to publish the post on your site first and *then* syndicate it, updating your post with the syndication links later
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aaronpk
nothing about POSSE says you should tweet it first before it's on your site
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snarfed
that would be PESOS
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martymcguire[m]
HWC Baltimore beginning our quiet writing hour
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miklb
howdy y'all
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GWG
Howdy, miklb.
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miklb
tonight I hope to wrap up my custom comment walker
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miklb
but reading the code now vs late night, it makes a lot more sense