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#GWGfunwhilelost: You made a sign to avoid having fun while lost?
#tantek_!tell martymcguire regarding automatic and/vs manually POSSEing, here is what I do: https://indieweb.org/User:Tantek.com#my_indie_web_setup - feel free to ask me any questions about how any of the auto-posting works etc. I've put a lot of thought into it so that the typical and most common things are nearly completely automated.
#M-podviaznikovHey everyone, I'm working on simple site called https://montaigne.io, that allows you to keep tracks of books you've read and also save book notes and quotes (and publish it as personal site optionally). Basically I want to be able to have site like https://sivers.org/book. I'f anyone would like to provide me some feedback, I'd appreciate it (I still have struggles understanding how NOT to lock data and put user in
#M-podviaznikovcontrol, so I would like to discuss that with someone)
#M-podviaznikovyeah, it is a bit like Goodreads which I was using for a while and then realized that I don't want to give my data there. Also I think Goodreads didn't have notes/quotes/highlights at a time - which I wanted to manage myself
#tantek_cool! built it yourself to scratch your own itch :D
#tantek_!tell martymcguire how is HWC Baltimore going? photo yet?
#tantek_I'm doing some historical research on indieweb federation, and while I know the first federated comment thread was done via pingback+h-entry, I'm not wondering when the first webmention+h-entry comment thread happened
#dansupjust made the first step towards a php activitystreams library :D
#miklbnot sure who manages http://activitystrea.ms but may want to update the section with "already adopted by". Gowalla has been gone for a long time.
#tantek_in particular, I tried to write a quick summary of how to federate posts, mentions, and following
#tantek_a lot of this is stuff we already do on the indieweb, just reworded in language that folks who are into federation will hopefully better understand
#tantek_also distinguished the early indieweb federation success with pingback vs what we now do with webmention
#Loqifederation in the context of the indieweb refers to services and features on indieweb sites that work directly with other indieweb sites peer-to-peer, without being bottlenecked by any kind of centralized service or silo https://indieweb.org/federation
#LoqiThe phrase Federated Social Web may refer to several things, including federation with social standards, the Federated Social Web Summit event(s), 2010-era social web efforts https://indieweb.org/Federated_Social_Web
#tantek_thanks gRegorLove - I figure some of that may be visible in the webmention page history, and perhaps some of it is also visible in the first few IndieWeb Examples on the Webmention page which hopefully are comments on each others's posts
#tantek_either way - definitely let us know what you find! I expect something mid-2013
#Loqi[Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Seems reasonable to me! When I send a mention to a URL I'm going to do the discovery to find that page's webmention endpoint anyway. #webmention...
#Loqi[Aaron Parecki] @sandeepshetty This post (http://www.sandeep.io/44) apparently has different (non-visible) text in the e-content than what you're actually showing on your site. This is going to cause problems when people reply to this post, for example this reply. Y...
#gRegorLoveSo 2013-06-11 is a starting date. Let's see if there's anything earlier.
#tantek_nice! thanks gRegorLove. makes sense to see that as an exchange between aaronpk and sandeepshetty, webmentioning each other talking about webmention :)
#tantek_if that's via webmention, that's the earliest webmention federated comment thread
#tantek_!tell aaronpk do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
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#jeremycherfasI don’t really understand the integration between IRC and Slack; it saeems that IRC is more complete than Slack. Can someone confirm that?
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#tantek_jeremycherfas you could check the logs and compare
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#[jeremycherfas]That’s exactly what prompted my question. There’s more in IRC than in Slack. But it is difficult to be sure what does move between the two and what does not.
#jeremycherfasExample: Your message of 09:07 is visible in IRC and not in Slack. Why would that be?
#[jeremycherfas]Maybe. But I wonder how often that happens. I know that my IRC connection drops me out when I am idle for a while, or the computer ghoes to sleep, and so I rely on Slack to catch up. But, without wishing to be completist, maybe there’s a better way.
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#sknebelbunch of messages missing from https://chat.indieweb.org as well (which makes sense, since if I remember right, the code behind chat.indieweb also sends stuff to slack) ping aaronpk
#jeremycherfasYes, gregorlove, that’s the line I see in IRC and not in Slack. So if you see it in Slack, I guess the problem lies with my Slack sleeping on the job.
#jeremycherfas!tell GWG Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
#GWGjeremycherfas: It does, but you need to provide the data, either by using a plugin that POSSEs and is supported, or using the manual entry box.
#LoqiGWG: jeremycherfas left you a message 8 minutes ago: Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
#jeremycherfasI entered the Twitter link by hand, and the u-syndication link is now present, but no icon.
#jeremycherfasI want to be able to POSSE to Twitter on an individual basis, not using an automatic plugin like SNAP. Or am I missing the point of SNAP?
#GWGTry saving the settings page? Hidden is the default
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#jeremycherfasNope. Saved settings (with changed text) and text changes but still no icon.
#jeremycherfasGWG Just fiddling, I changed to hidden, saved the page, and the Before text and links were not shown. Changed back to icons and now they are shown.
#jeremycherfasSo, no idea what the problem is, but it is solved.
#Loqiaaronpk: tantek_ left you a message 6 hours, 29 minutes ago: do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
#aaronpki don't see things missing from chat.indieweb.org, is that still a problem?
#martymcguire[m]Jeena: ouch, openssl errors! i'm not too sure where to start on that. maybe googling for the error plus your platform. it might also be related to your version of python?
#sknebelaaronpk: no, a line didn't appear in jeremys slack, but it is on chat.indieweb and others saw it in slack, so not our problem, but a slack-internal glitch it seems
#martymcguire[m]!tell tantek Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
#Loqi[Lukas Martini] Lessons learned while writing my own OStatus implementation: OStatus is a poorly documented hodge-podge of poorly documented outdated protocols that are mostly awful XML messes. Oh well....
#Loqiok, I added "https://ohai.su/users/lutoma/updates/538" to the "See Also" section of /OStatus
#Loqi[Lukas Martini] Lessons learned while writing my own OStatus implementation: OStatus is a poorly documented hodge-podge of poorly documented outdated protocols that are mostly awful XML messes. Oh well....
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#LoqiMicropub is an open API standard (W3C Candidate Recommendation) that is used to create, update, and delete posts on one's own domain using third-party clients, and supersedes both MetaWeblog and AtomPub https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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#cweiskeok, chat log search works again. 10 days ago my server was rebooted and I did not have an init script for the worker scripts.. 5k urls had been in the queue
#LoqiPOSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
#[chrisaldrich]miklb, often I'll PESOS when creating a new issue as this particular plugin is better for commenting on pre-existing comments.
#[chrisaldrich]it'll create new issues, but it doesn't easily allow differentiating between issue title and body, so the body of the text ends up in the title.
#Loqitantek_: aaronpk left you a message 7 hours, 11 minutes ago: it looks like I launched webmention support 5 days after the post you asked about!
#Loqitantek_: martymcguire[m] left you a message 7 hours, 2 minutes ago: Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
#tantek_aaronpk I checked your archive for 5 days after that post and saw no post about having launched webmention support!
#tantek_aaronpk, gRegorLove and I are looking for when was the first federated comment thread using *webmention* - the one with eschnou (and later with your post) was via pingback + h-entry
#Loqi[Barnaby Walters] Okay, I think I have a working two-way #webmention #indieweb comments implementation happening. Anyone fancy replying via webmention so I can make sure?...
#Loqi[Matthias Pfefferle] My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris, @Glenn Jones and @Aaron Parecki.
…and some <3 for Sandeep Sh...
#tantek_ah, he always used blogger on http://sandeep.shetty.in but just redirected sandeep.io there at some point (which used to be where he ran Converspace)
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#tantek_aaronpk, it's likely that any responses that showed up on sandeep.io in 2013 were from Webmention but I can't be sure because I don't know if he implemented receiving pingbacks as well (or before he implemented webmention receiving)
#tantek_but now I need to check out (8:00am here) and head to the CSSWG meeting so I'll have to leave that github spellunking to someone else
#tantek_anyone here have a few minutes to look through the Converspace repo to see 1) if it ever supported pingback receiving (and when), and 2) when webmention receiving and displaying were implemented?
#tantek_the goal here obv is to find the date and example of when the first successful webmention send -> receive & display happened cross-site and cross-implementation
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#KevinMarksApparently known's webfinger support rotted too