#indieweb 2017-04-20

2017-04-20 UTC
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://idlewords.com/talks/build_a_better_monster.htm" to the "See Also" section of /silo
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tantek_
hello again from the future #indieweb
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tantek_
interesting post martymcguire. have you considered documenting your current user flow on the wiki?
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tantek_
goes to update his own
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funwhilelost
HWC in Seattle is set up!
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funwhilelost
(I even made a sign)
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tantek_
funwhilelost++
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Loqi
funwhilelost has 2 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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GWG
funwhilelost: You made a sign to avoid having fun while lost?
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tantek_
!tell martymcguire regarding automatic and/vs manually POSSEing, here is what I do: https://indieweb.org/User:Tantek.com#my_indie_web_setup - feel free to ask me any questions about how any of the auto-posting works etc. I've put a lot of thought into it so that the typical and most common things are nearly completely automated.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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M-podviaznikov
Hey everyone, I'm working on simple site called https://montaigne.io, that allows you to keep tracks of books you've read and also save book notes and quotes (and publish it as personal site optionally). Basically I want to be able to have site like https://sivers.org/book. I'f anyone would like to provide me some feedback, I'd appreciate it (I still have struggles understanding how NOT to lock data and put user in
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M-podviaznikov
control, so I would like to discuss that with someone)
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tantek_
welcome M-podviaznikov!
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tantek_
what is GoodReads?
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Loqi
Goodreads is a silo for keeping track of books, reviews, and reading progress https://indieweb.org/Goodreads
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tantek_
is your site like Goodreads?
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M-podviaznikov
yeah, it is a bit like Goodreads which I was using for a while and then realized that I don't want to give my data there. Also I think Goodreads didn't have notes/quotes/highlights at a time - which I wanted to manage myself
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tantek_
cool! built it yourself to scratch your own itch :D
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tantek_
!tell martymcguire how is HWC Baltimore going? photo yet?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek_
!tell funwhilelost take and post a photo of the sign and everyone there!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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M-podviaznikov
yes, exactly
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martymcguire[m]
ah, hello all
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martymcguire[m]
HWC baltimore wrapped. notes and photo are up. syndicating to indienews now.
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "HWC Baltimore 2017-04-19 Wrap-Up" https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/19/201642/
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martymcguire[m]
tantek: thanks for the set-up notes! i have a few different workflows that could stand to be documented!
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tantek_
nice work martymcguire!
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tantek_
martymcguire I encourage you to document your "indie web setup" on your user page as well! Feel free to copy from mine :)
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martymcguire[m]
tantek_: thanks! i'll take a crack at an "indie web setup" section on my user page sometime tomorrow. it should be a good exercise.
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tantek_
it is definitely a good exercise. writing it down made me confront where are the awkward / needs to improve steps in my workflow
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tantek_
anyone here care at all about /federation? I'm going to take a crack at expanding the page a bit with a Why, How to, and indieweb examples
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[chrisaldrich]
M-podviaznikov: There are a bunch of us doing somewhat similar things. There are examples at /read.
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[chrisaldrich]
Reminds me I need to get back to automating posting of highlights, notes and marginalia a bit more for posts like: http://boffosocko.com/2012/06/17/big-history/
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tantek_
I've updated /federation - please take a look!
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M-podviaznikov
[chrisaldrich]: thanks you for the /read link. I saw that yesterday. Will go through links more carefully over the weekend
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tantek_
anyone else still awake in the US?
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GWG
I'm sleeptyping right now.
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tantek_
I'm doing some historical research on indieweb federation, and while I know the first federated comment thread was done via pingback+h-entry, I'm not wondering when the first webmention+h-entry comment thread happened
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dansup
just made the first step towards a php activitystreams library :D
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miklb
not sure who manages http://activitystrea.ms but may want to update the section with "already adopted by". Gowalla has been gone for a long time.
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miklb
guess I can submit a pull request?
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miklb
oh wow, a lot of those links are bad. that YIID link goes to what looks like a phising site.
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Loqi
[James M Snell] Activity Streams 2.0
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gRegorLove
o/ tantek, I'm still awake
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gRegorLove
checks history of /webmention page
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miklb
is silo.pub snarfed's ?
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KartikPrabhu
its by kylewm
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gRegorLove
kylewm's
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miklb
ah. then maybe I did read about SSL cert expiring
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gRegorLove
It did on his main site, so probably
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tantek_
more updates to /federation
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tantek_
in particular, I tried to write a quick summary of how to federate posts, mentions, and following
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tantek_
a lot of this is stuff we already do on the indieweb, just reworded in language that folks who are into federation will hopefully better understand
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tantek_
also distinguished the early indieweb federation success with pingback vs what we now do with webmention
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tantek_
what is federation?
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Loqi
federation in the context of the indieweb refers to services and features on indieweb sites that work directly with other indieweb sites peer-to-peer, without being bottlenecked by any kind of centralized service or silo https://indieweb.org/federation
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tantek_
what is federated social web?
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Loqi
The phrase Federated Social Web may refer to: https://indieweb.org/federated_social_web
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tantek_
fixing
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tantek_
what is federated social web?
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Loqi
The phrase Federated Social Web may refer to several things, including federation with social standards, the Federated Social Web Summit event(s), 2010-era social web efforts https://indieweb.org/Federated_Social_Web
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tantek_
better
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tantek_
thanks gRegorLove - I figure some of that may be visible in the webmention page history, and perhaps some of it is also visible in the first few IndieWeb Examples on the Webmention page which hopefully are comments on each others's posts
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tantek_
either way - definitely let us know what you find! I expect something mid-2013
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jeremycherfas
Good morning.
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Loqi
*yawn*
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jeremycherfas
!tell gregorlove Thanks for spotting that Twitter error. Finally found and fixed!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek_
wonders if he should change his timezone in /irc-people
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jeremycherfas
Depends how long you’re going to be there. I’m used to being one of the very few at this time.
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tantek_
I'm at Z+1500
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tantek_
no wait
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tantek_
Z+0900
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tantek_
Z = UTC
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jeremycherfas
Ah. Never heard of that. For zero?
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tantek_
Zulu time
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jeremycherfas
Another useless bit of trivia taking up space in my brain that could be better used for something else but never is.
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Loqi
gRegorLove: jeremycherfas left you a message 31 minutes ago: Thanks for spotting that Twitter error. Finally found and fixed!
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tantek_
jeremycherfas welcome to the internet ;)
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jeremycherfas
Yeah. Nothing new in that.
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tantek_
gRegorLove - interesting. looks like that was back before we started more thoroughly adding "IndieWeb Examples" sections
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tantek_
a-ha this is the raw dated list which we may have added after the fact https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples
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gRegorLove
Yeah, that dated listed originated on /webmention iirc, moved there in recent months
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tantek_
right, I moved it, leaving the "nice looking" ones in place on /Webmention for broader audience appeal
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tantek_
looks like aaronpk may have been the first to implement receiving and showing webmentions on 2013-05-26
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tantek_
and the first person to start sending after that (who presumably could have federated a comment to aaronpk) was benwerd on 2013-05-31
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tantek_
so now the goal is to find a post on aaronparecki.com on 2013-05-26 or later that shows a comment from benwerd as of 2013-05-31 or later
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Check out the microformats-2 parser on http://pin13.net if you want to preview how it'll be parsed! #indieweb
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gRegorLove
First I've found *to* benwerd
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gRegorLove
Unfortunately the in-reply-to on benwerd's site is 404
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tantek_
perhaps in internet archive?
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tantek_
dang. and this is why we now auto-internet-archive everything we webmention now :)
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gRegorLove
Actually, it's 410 not 404
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tantek_
interesting, deleted? well internet archive does have some of those posts https://web-beta.archive.org/web/*/http://werd.io/view//*
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Seems reasonable to me! When I send a mention to a URL I'm going to do the discovery to find that page's webmention endpoint anyway. #webmention...
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gRegorLove
Here's first of aaronpk's comments I've found on another site (starting from 2013-05-26 onward): https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160331132325/http://www.sandeep.io/44
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Loqi
[Sandeep Shetty] # Syndicating Markdown Im liking syndicating #markdown (like the comment I made here for example <http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/06/10/3/network>) to avoid loosing context (like in the 10th comment here: <http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb...
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @sandeepshetty This post (http://www.sandeep.io/44) apparently has different (non-visible) text in the e-content than what you're actually showing on your site. This is going to cause problems when people reply to this post, for example this reply. Y...
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gRegorLove
So 2013-06-11 is a starting date. Let's see if there's anything earlier.
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gRegorLove
But first, sleep.
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tantek_
nice! thanks gRegorLove. makes sense to see that as an exchange between aaronpk and sandeepshetty, webmentioning each other talking about webmention :)
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tantek_
when was 2013?
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Loqi
IndieWebCamp 2013 is on 2013-06-22 at Elemental Technologies https://indieweb.org/2013
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] The SECOND #indieweb comments implementation, by @aaronpk: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/05/21/1/xkcd FOUR individuals/countries/websites...
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] The hovertext of this XKCD literally put a grin on my face http://xkcd.com/1215/
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tantek_
first reply from Barnaby walters: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1468/
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Loqi
[Barnaby Walters] Aaron Parecki gotta love XKCD :)
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tantek_
so what I don't know is if that worked via pingback or webmention
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tantek_
we have to ask aaronpk and barnabywalters
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tantek_
if that's via webmention, that's the earliest webmention federated comment thread
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tantek_
!tell aaronpk do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] The hovertext of this XKCD literally put a grin on my face http://xkcd.com/1215/
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jeremycherfas
I don’t really understand the integration between IRC and Slack; it saeems that IRC is more complete than Slack. Can someone confirm that?
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tantek_
jeremycherfas you could check the logs and compare
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[jeremycherfas]
That’s exactly what prompted my question. There’s more in IRC than in Slack. But it is difficult to be sure what does move between the two and what does not.
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jeremycherfas
Example: Your message of 09:07 is visible in IRC and not in Slack. Why would that be?
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KevinMarks
Loqi dropped out maybe?
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[jeremycherfas]
Maybe. But I wonder how often that happens. I know that my IRC connection drops me out when I am idle for a while, or the computer ghoes to sleep, and so I rely on Slack to catch up. But, without wishing to be completist, maybe there’s a better way.
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sknebel
bunch of messages missing from https://chat.indieweb.org as well (which makes sense, since if I remember right, the code behind chat.indieweb also sends stuff to slack) ping aaronpk
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sknebel
oh, wait, saw a timestamp wrong
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sknebel
[jeremycherfas]: is the message you mean missing from chat.indieweb.org?
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jeremycherfas
I didn’t check chat.indieweb.org directly, only my IRC client
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sknebel
yes, but it would be interesting to know where in the pipeline the error might be
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Just installed the Mastodon plugin for #Known by @nxd4n - if you can see this test post on Mastodon it has worked! #indieweb https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-19 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/just-installed-the-mastodon-plugin-for-known-by-nxd4n
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jeremycherfas
Sknebel: the message is present in chat.indieweb.org and in my IRC client and not in Slack
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[jeremycherfas]
Er, that was interesting.
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cweiske
so that's the love in your nick
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Loqi
jeremycherfas: lol
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cweiske
I once had a coworker who posted such an image in the company's internal chat. left immediately without a word that day
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jeremycherfas
Better than goatse
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gRegorLove
embarrassed. please delete.
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Loqi
[tantek_] when was 2013?
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jeremycherfas
Yes, gregorlove, that’s the line I see in IRC and not in Slack. So if you see it in Slack, I guess the problem lies with my Slack sleeping on the job.
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[jeremycherfas]
Another of life’s mysteries.
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cweiske
hm. my search engine did stop indexing 10 days ago :/
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Jeena
I guess I need to run my own https://woodwind.xyz/ instance, the official one is more offline than online since half a year
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: I set up an instance for myself a while back https://martymcgui.re/2016/11/28/124055/
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Loqi
[Marty McGuire] Self-Hosting kylewm's Woodwind Indie Reader
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jeremycherfas
!tell GWG Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
jeremycherfas: It does, but you need to provide the data, either by using a plugin that POSSEs and is supported, or using the manual entry box.
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Loqi
GWG: jeremycherfas left you a message 8 minutes ago: Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
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jeremycherfas
I entered the Twitter link by hand, and the u-syndication link is now present, but no icon.
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jeremycherfas
I want to be able to POSSE to Twitter on an individual basis, not using an automatic plugin like SNAP. Or am I missing the point of SNAP?
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GWG
Try saving the settings page? Hidden is the default
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jeremycherfas
Nope. Saved settings (with changed text) and text changes but still no icon.
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Loqi
Eat This Newsletter 053
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jeremycherfas
Also, don’t really want to show the meta, but having trouble finding a CSS selector that targets it.
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benthatmustbe
/j #indieweb-chat
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benthatmustbe
/join #indieweb-chat
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ben_thatmustbeme
thought i would try
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jeremycherfas
GWG Just fiddling, I changed to hidden, saved the page, and the Before text and links were not shown. Changed back to icons and now they are shown.
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jeremycherfas
So, no idea what the problem is, but it is solved.
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Loqi
[Daniel Heitmann] crom;dr Couldn't read on mobile, didn't read.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Achievement unlocked (thanks to huge help from the #indieweb community) -- now receiving webmentions at Eat This Podcast. But lots still to be done." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-04-20 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/achievement-unlocked-thanks-to-huge-help-from-the-indieweb-community
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cweiske
aaronpk, does switchboard provide subscriber counts?
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aaronpk
good morning!
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek_ left you a message 6 hours, 29 minutes ago: do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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aaronpk
cweiske: it does! in the response when you make a publish request
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cweiske
ah. I thought more of a feedburner-like badge that you can add to your website
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aaronpk
oh! good idea
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aaronpk
i don't have anything like that yet
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Jeena
martymcguire[m], I'm trying to set it up too but have many many problems with "pip install -r requirements.txt"
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Jeena
problems like this:
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Jeena
build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.5/_openssl.c:73031:45: error: initializer element is not constant
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Jeena
sizeof(X509_STORE_CTX), offsetof(struct _cffi_align__X509_STORE_CTX, y), 126, 10 },
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aaronpk
i don't see things missing from chat.indieweb.org, is that still a problem?
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: ouch, openssl errors! i'm not too sure where to start on that. maybe googling for the error plus your platform. it might also be related to your version of python?
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sknebel
aaronpk: no, a line didn't appear in jeremys slack, but it is on chat.indieweb and others saw it in slack, so not our problem, but a slack-internal glitch it seems
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aaronpk
oh okay
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: i set up a virtualenv with python 3.4.3. my openssl is 1.0.2k.
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martymcguire[m]
probably talk for dev
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Jeena
what distro are you using?
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: the box i have woodwind on is a mess. it started as an old kubuntu but has since been upgraded to Ubuntu 14.04.5
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jeremycherfas
Not for me.
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Jeena
hehe ok martymcguire[m]
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martymcguire[m]
I usually just think of it as an ubuntu 14.04 box but its weird upgrade history affects things from time to time.
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@LukasRosenstock
Domain providers supporting the #IndieWeb and #POSSE totally makes sense, so I'm happy to see @iwantmyname do it: https://iwantmyname.com/blog/let-s-make-2017-the-year-of-the-indie-web
(twtr.io/1QqtRPuo_GY)
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aaronpk
!tell tantek it looks like I launched webmention support 5 days after the post you asked about!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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martymcguire[m]
!tell tantek Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
wow nice
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martymcguire[m]
collecting my own user stories :}
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jeremycherfas
Martymcguire++ for such a comprehensive outline
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Loqi
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[kevinmarks]
what is ostatus?
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Loqi
OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: https://indieweb.org/OStatus
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Loqi
[Lukas Martini] Lessons learned while writing my own OStatus implementation: OStatus is a poorly documented hodge-podge of poorly documented outdated protocols that are mostly awful XML messes. Oh well....
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://ohai.su/users/lutoma/updates/538" to the "See Also" section of /OStatus
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Loqi
[Lukas Martini] Lessons learned while writing my own OStatus implementation: OStatus is a poorly documented hodge-podge of poorly documented outdated protocols that are mostly awful XML messes. Oh well....
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sknebel
good reminder to update my userpage as well
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dansup
hello jonnybarnes, found some of your indieweb packages on packagist. Good work!
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GWG
snarfed, I need another brain. Does your site paginate your comments?
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snarfed
GWG: i don't think so?
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GWG
I am trying to find a way to fold Webmentions for Comments into Webmentions for one less plugin, but having an issue with the URL for a comment
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Test" by Nicolas Collignon on 2017-04-20 https://ncollig.net/2017/test
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miklb
what is micropub
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Loqi
Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Candidate Recommendation) that is used to create, update, and delete posts on one's own domain using third-party clients, and supersedes both MetaWeblog and AtomPub https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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cweiske
ok, chat log search works again. 10 days ago my server was rebooted and I did not have an init script for the worker scripts.. 5k urls had been in the queue
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aaronpk
that happens to me all the time :)
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cweiske
I actually had systemd services for my website search instance
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cweiske
but not for indiechat search
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cweiske
it's pretty easy nowadays with systemd
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miklb
has anyone POSSE'd GitHub stared repos?
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dansup
miklb, POSSE'd ?
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miklb
maybe the 'd is wrong?
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miklb
what is posse
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Loqi
POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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dansup
oh I see
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb, I use /Known and POSSE comments and issues, so that's definitely possible.
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb: If I remember there are issues with how they deal with titles, so it does have some quirks.
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miklb
I guess I could manually PESOS the likes. Just wondered if something was out there to reduce friction. Maybe a bookmarklet.
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miklb
[chrisaldrich] that's using silo.pub?
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb: It uses OAuth directly to github. Here's the plugin and some notes if you want to browse through it for WordPress usage: https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownGithub
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb, often I'll PESOS when creating a new issue as this particular plugin is better for commenting on pre-existing comments.
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[chrisaldrich]
it'll create new issues, but it doesn't easily allow differentiating between issue title and body, so the body of the text ends up in the title.
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aaronpk
good morning tantek!
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tantek_
good morning :)
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Loqi
tantek_: aaronpk left you a message 7 hours, 11 minutes ago: it looks like I launched webmention support 5 days after the post you asked about!
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Loqi
tantek_: martymcguire[m] left you a message 7 hours, 2 minutes ago: Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
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tantek_
aaronpk I checked your archive for 5 days after that post and saw no post about having launched webmention support!
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aaronpk
apparently i didn't announce it!
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aaronpk
but i found the git commit
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aaronpk
note to self: make more public posts about shipping indieweb features!
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tantek_
s/make more/always make
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tantek_
even if it's just a short note!
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tantek_
even if it's just a short note!
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tantek_
even if it's just a short note!
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: maybe you should continue your 100daysof indieweb
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tantek_
lol web UI :)
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tantek_
finds the rare day where aaronpk didn't do anything apparently: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/03
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aaronpk
ah i was at a conference and flying that day
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aaronpk
when i import my foursquare checkins it'll fill up :)
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tantek_
aaronpk, gRegorLove and I are looking for when was the first federated comment thread using *webmention* - the one with eschnou (and later with your post) was via pingback + h-entry
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aaronpk
did werd.io ever support pingback?
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aaronpk
if not, this is likely the first webmention i sent https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/30/2/indieweb
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Check out the microformats-2 parser on http://pin13.net if you want to preview how it'll be parsed! #indieweb
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tantek_
judging from the order of implementations https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples - we would expect evidence on your and Benwerd's permalinks
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tantek_
you supported receiving before benwerd did
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] "Build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill Facebook" http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/ #indieweb
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aaronpk
and it's still visible on his site
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tantek_
but that's likely via pingback. he didn't start accepting webmentions til 2013-06-20
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aaronpk
oh, huh
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tantek_
again, looking at the dates on the webmention-developer link above
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Loqi
[Barnaby Walters] Okay, I think I have a working two-way #webmention #indieweb comments implementation happening. Anyone fancy replying via webmention so I can make sure?...
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @BarnabyWalters Just in time for @indiewebcamp! #webmention #indieweb
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bear
so crazy seeing that timeline and it being 4 years ago
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Loqi
[Matthias Pfefferle] My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris, @Glenn Jones and @Aaron Parecki. …and some <3 for Sandeep Sh...
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aaronpk
and check out all the back and forth between me and benwerd here, looks like he was getting webmention and h-entry working then https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/23
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aaronpk
wonders where all his bike ride maps went
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tantek_
aaronpk, gRegorLove found this from 2013-06-11 last night: http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-04-19/line/1492671575461
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Loqi
[gRegorLove] Here's first of aaronpk's comments I've found on another site (starting from 2013-05-26 onward): https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160331132325/http://www.sandeep.io/44...
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Loqi
[Erik Andersson] Testing webmention
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tantek_
sad that sandeep switched his site to blogger and lost so many permalinks
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aaronpk
and eschnou too
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tantek_
I think he switched to about.me? or wordpress maybe?
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aaronpk
something like about.me yeah
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tantek_
I pinged benwerd about http://werd.io/view/51a80c16bed7de2a060f864a let's see if he can find it / restore it
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GWG
I feel nostalgic all of the sudden
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tantek_
what is Converspace?
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tantek_
ah, he always used blogger on http://sandeep.shetty.in but just redirected sandeep.io there at some point (which used to be where he ran Converspace)
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tantek_
aaronpk, it's likely that any responses that showed up on sandeep.io in 2013 were from Webmention but I can't be sure because I don't know if he implemented receiving pingbacks as well (or before he implemented webmention receiving)
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tantek_
but now I need to check out (8:00am here) and head to the CSSWG meeting so I'll have to leave that github spellunking to someone else
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tantek_
anyone here have a few minutes to look through the Converspace repo to see 1) if it ever supported pingback receiving (and when), and 2) when webmention receiving and displaying were implemented?
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tantek_
Sandeep is noticeably missing from https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples so we should at least capture his site/project there in a "Previous Examples" subsection
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tantek_
what is Converspace?
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Loqi
Converspace was a personal publishing project for social blogging by Sandeep Shetty https://indieweb.org/Converspace
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tantek_
there at least I improved that
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tantek_
the goal here obv is to find the date and example of when the first successful webmention send -> receive & display happened cross-site and cross-implementation
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KevinMarks
Apparently known's webfinger support rotted too
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KevinMarks
This is such a stupid protocol
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@aaronpk
welp, @wunderlist is officially going away, guess it's time to figure out an #indieweb replacement https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/20/microsoft-is-replacing-wunderlist-with-a-new-to-do-app/
(twtr.io/1QrgFddEFk4)
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KartikPrabhu
what is wunderlist?
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Loqi
Wunderlist is an app for managing todo lists, is available for many desktop and mobile platforms, and has an API https://indieweb.org/Wunderlist
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aaronpk
at least the new microsoft todo app is very similar to wunderlist
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aaronpk
tho i'm not really sure i want to switch to that