#indieweb 2017-04-20
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funwhilelost HWC in Seattle is set up!
# funwhilelost (I even made a sign)
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tantek_ !tell martymcguire regarding automatic and/vs manually POSSEing, here is what I do: https://indieweb.org/User:Tantek.com#my_indie_web_setup - feel free to ask me any questions about how any of the auto-posting works etc. I've put a lot of thought into it so that the typical and most common things are nearly completely automated.
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M-podviaznikov Hey everyone, I'm working on simple site called https://montaigne.io, that allows you to keep tracks of books you've read and also save book notes and quotes (and publish it as personal site optionally). Basically I want to be able to have site like https://sivers.org/book. I'f anyone would like to provide me some feedback, I'd appreciate it (I still have struggles understanding how NOT to lock data and put user in
# M-podviaznikov control, so I would like to discuss that with someone)
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Loqi Goodreads is a silo for keeping track of books, reviews, and reading progress https://indieweb.org/Goodreads
# M-podviaznikov yeah, it is a bit like Goodreads which I was using for a while and then realized that I don't want to give my data there. Also I think Goodreads didn't have notes/quotes/highlights at a time - which I wanted to manage myself
# M-podviaznikov yes, exactly
# martymcguire[m] ah, hello all
# martymcguire[m] HWC baltimore wrapped. notes and photo are up. syndicating to indienews now.
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "HWC Baltimore 2017-04-19 Wrap-Up" https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/19/201642/
# martymcguire[m] tantek: thanks for the set-up notes! i have a few different workflows that could stand to be documented!
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# martymcguire[m] tantek_: thanks! i'll take a crack at an "indie web setup" section on my user page sometime tomorrow. it should be a good exercise.
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# tantek_ anyone here care at all about /federation? I'm going to take a crack at expanding the page a bit with a Why, How to, and indieweb examples
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[chrisaldrich] M-podviaznikov: There are a bunch of us doing somewhat similar things. There are examples at /read.
# [chrisaldrich] Reminds me I need to get back to automating posting of highlights, notes and marginalia a bit more for posts like: http://boffosocko.com/2012/06/17/big-history/
# tantek_ I've updated /federation - please take a look!
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# dansup just made the first step towards a php activitystreams library :D
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miklb not sure who manages http://activitystrea.ms but may want to update the section with "already adopted by". Gowalla has been gone for a long time.
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gRegorLove o/ tantek, I'm still awake
# gRegorLove checks history of /webmention page
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KartikPrabhu its by kylewm
# gRegorLove kylewm's
# gRegorLove It did on his main site, so probably
# tantek_ more updates to /federation
# Loqi federation in the context of the indieweb refers to services and features on indieweb sites that work directly with other indieweb sites peer-to-peer, without being bottlenecked by any kind of centralized service or silo https://indieweb.org/federation
# Loqi The phrase Federated Social Web may refer to: https://indieweb.org/federated_social_web
# Loqi The phrase Federated Social Web may refer to several things, including federation with social standards, the Federated Social Web Summit event(s), 2010-era social web efforts https://indieweb.org/Federated_Social_Web
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jeremycherfas Good morning.
# jeremycherfas !tell gregorlove Thanks for spotting that Twitter error. Finally found and fixed!
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# tantek_ wonders if he should change his timezone in /irc-people
# jeremycherfas Depends how long you’re going to be there. I’m used to being one of the very few at this time.
# jeremycherfas Z?
# jeremycherfas Ah. Never heard of that. For zero?
# jeremycherfas I’m Z+2
# jeremycherfas Thanks.
# jeremycherfas Another useless bit of trivia taking up space in my brain that could be better used for something else but never is.
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# gRegorLove Webmention implementations section added https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Webmention&diff=next&oldid=5066
# jeremycherfas Yeah. Nothing new in that.
# tantek_ a-ha this is the raw dated list which we may have added after the fact https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples
# gRegorLove Then IndieWeb Implementations: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Webmention&diff=next&oldid=5402
# gRegorLove Yeah, that dated listed originated on /webmention iirc, moved there in recent months
# tantek_ right, I moved it, leaving the "nice looking" ones in place on /Webmention for broader audience appeal
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Check out the microformats-2 parser on http://pin13.net if you want to preview how it'll be parsed! #indieweb
# gRegorLove First I've found *to* benwerd
# gRegorLove Unfortunately the in-reply-to on benwerd's site is 404
# gRegorLove Nope :/
# gRegorLove Actually, it's 410 not 404
# tantek_ interesting, deleted? well internet archive does have some of those posts https://web-beta.archive.org/web/*/http://werd.io/view//*
# gRegorLove Progress: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/08/2/webmention in-reply-to benwerd contemplating webmention spec http://werd.io/view/51b38739bed7de572308086a
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# gRegorLove Here's first of aaronpk's comments I've found on another site (starting from 2013-05-26 onward): https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160331132325/http://www.sandeep.io/44
# Loqi [Sandeep Shetty] # Syndicating Markdown
Im liking syndicating #markdown (like the comment I made here for example <http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/06/10/3/network>) to avoid loosing context (like in the 10th comment here: <http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb...
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] @sandeepshetty This post (http://www.sandeep.io/44) apparently has different (non-visible) text in the e-content than what you're actually showing on your site. This is going to cause problems when people reply to this post, for example this reply. Y...
# gRegorLove So 2013-06-11 is a starting date. Let's see if there's anything earlier.
# gRegorLove But first, sleep.
# Loqi IndieWebCamp 2013 is on 2013-06-22 at Elemental Technologies https://indieweb.org/2013
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# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] The SECOND #indieweb comments implementation, by @aaronpk: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/05/21/1/xkcd
FOUR individuals/countries/websites...
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] The hovertext of this XKCD literally put a grin on my face http://xkcd.com/1215/
# tantek_ first reply from Barnaby walters: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1468/
# tantek_ !tell aaronpk do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] The hovertext of this XKCD literally put a grin on my face http://xkcd.com/1215/
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# jeremycherfas I don’t really understand the integration between IRC and Slack; it saeems that IRC is more complete than Slack. Can someone confirm that?
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# [jeremycherfas] That’s exactly what prompted my question. There’s more in IRC than in Slack. But it is difficult to be sure what does move between the two and what does not.
# jeremycherfas Example: Your message of 09:07 is visible in IRC and not in Slack. Why would that be?
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KevinMarks Loqi dropped out maybe?
# [jeremycherfas] Maybe. But I wonder how often that happens. I know that my IRC connection drops me out when I am idle for a while, or the computer ghoes to sleep, and so I rely on Slack to catch up. But, without wishing to be completist, maybe there’s a better way.
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# sknebel bunch of messages missing from https://chat.indieweb.org as well (which makes sense, since if I remember right, the code behind chat.indieweb also sends stuff to slack) ping aaronpk
# jeremycherfas I didn’t check chat.indieweb.org directly, only my IRC client
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Just installed the Mastodon plugin for #Known by @nxd4n - if you can see this test post on Mastodon it has worked! #indieweb https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-19 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/just-installed-the-mastodon-plugin-for-known-by-nxd4n
# jeremycherfas Sknebel: the message is present in chat.indieweb.org and in my IRC client and not in Slack
# gRegorLove This line? https://www.dropbox.com/s/28rs63v5p8n930n/Pussy.jpg?dl=0 I see it in Slack
# gRegorLove wtf
# [jeremycherfas] Er, that was interesting.
# jeremycherfas Haha.
# jeremycherfas Better than goatse
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# gRegorLove embarrassed. please delete.
# jeremycherfas Yes, gregorlove, that’s the line I see in IRC and not in Slack. So if you see it in Slack, I guess the problem lies with my Slack sleeping on the job.
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# [jeremycherfas] Another of life’s mysteries.
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Jeena I guess I need to run my own https://woodwind.xyz/ instance, the official one is more offline than online since half a year
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# martymcguire[m] Jeena: I set up an instance for myself a while back https://martymcgui.re/2016/11/28/124055/
# jeremycherfas !tell GWG Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
# jeremycherfas I entered the Twitter link by hand, and the u-syndication link is now present, but no icon.
# jeremycherfas I want to be able to POSSE to Twitter on an individual basis, not using an automatic plugin like SNAP. Or am I missing the point of SNAP?
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# jeremycherfas Nope. Saved settings (with changed text) and text changes but still no icon.
# jeremycherfas Also, don’t really want to show the meta, but having trouble finding a CSS selector that targets it.
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ben_thatmustbeme thought i would try
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# jeremycherfas GWG Just fiddling, I changed to hidden, saved the page, and the Before text and links were not shown. Changed back to icons and now they are shown.
# jeremycherfas So, no idea what the problem is, but it is solved.
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Achievement unlocked (thanks to huge help from the #indieweb community) -- now receiving webmentions at Eat This Podcast. But lots still to be done." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-04-20 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/achievement-unlocked-thanks-to-huge-help-from-the-indieweb-community
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# Loqi aaronpk: tantek_ left you a message 6 hours, 29 minutes ago: do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
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# martymcguire[m] Jeena: ouch, openssl errors! i'm not too sure where to start on that. maybe googling for the error plus your platform. it might also be related to your version of python?
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# martymcguire[m] Jeena: i set up a virtualenv with python 3.4.3. my openssl is 1.0.2k.
# martymcguire[m] probably talk for dev
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aaronpk reviews /federation
# martymcguire[m] Jeena: the box i have woodwind on is a mess. it started as an old kubuntu but has since been upgraded to Ubuntu 14.04.5
# jeremycherfas Not for me.
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# martymcguire[m] I usually just think of it as an ubuntu 14.04 box but its weird upgrade history affects things from time to time.
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@LukasRosenstock Domain providers supporting the #IndieWeb and #POSSE totally makes sense, so I'm happy to see @iwantmyname do it: https://iwantmyname.com/blog/let-s-make-2017-the-year-of-the-indie-web (twitter.com/_/status/855074095075131392)
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# martymcguire[m] !tell tantek Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
# martymcguire[m] collecting my own user stories :}
# jeremycherfas Martymcguire++ for such a comprehensive outline
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# [kevinmarks] what is ostatus?
# Loqi OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: https://indieweb.org/OStatus
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# dansup hello jonnybarnes, found some of your indieweb packages on packagist. Good work!
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@rMdes_ L'IndieWeb: avoir son propre site web. Pourquoi? Comment? https://hwc.brussels/ https://www.facebook.com/events/1454963691201009/ … https://www.rmendes.net/2017/lindieweb-avoir-son-propre-site-web-pourquoi-comment-events1454963691201009-hwc-brussels (twitter.com/_/status/855098902101544961)
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@armadalive L'IndieWeb: avoir son propre site web. Pourquoi? Comment? https://hwc.brussels/ https://www.facebook.com/events/1454963691201009/ … https://www.rmendes.net/2017/lindieweb-avoir-son-propre-site-web-pourquoi-comment-events1454963691201009-hwc-brussels (twitter.com/_/status/855098906451030016)
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@HwcBrussels L'IndieWeb: avoir son propre site web. Pourquoi? Comment? https://hwc.brussels/ https://www.facebook.com/events/1454963691201009/ … https://www.rmendes.net/2017/lindieweb-avoir-son-propre-site-web-pourquoi-comment-events1454963691201009-hwc-brussels (twitter.com/_/status/855098909307396099)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Test" by Nicolas Collignon on 2017-04-20 https://ncollig.net/2017/test
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# Loqi Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Candidate Recommendation) that is used to create, update, and delete posts on one's own domain using third-party clients, and supersedes both MetaWeblog and AtomPub https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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# dansup miklb, POSSE'd ?
# Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
# dansup oh I see
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# [chrisaldrich] miklb, I use /Known and POSSE comments and issues, so that's definitely possible.
# [chrisaldrich] miklb: If I remember there are issues with how they deal with titles, so it does have some quirks.
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# [chrisaldrich] miklb: It uses OAuth directly to github. Here's the plugin and some notes if you want to browse through it for WordPress usage: https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownGithub
# [chrisaldrich] miklb, often I'll PESOS when creating a new issue as this particular plugin is better for commenting on pre-existing comments.
# [chrisaldrich] it'll create new issues, but it doesn't easily allow differentiating between issue title and body, so the body of the text ends up in the title.
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# Loqi tantek_: martymcguire[m] left you a message 7 hours, 2 minutes ago: Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: maybe you should continue your 100daysof indieweb
# tantek_ finds the rare day where aaronpk didn't do anything apparently: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/03
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# aaronpk if not, this is likely the first webmention i sent https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/30/2/indieweb
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Check out the microformats-2 parser on http://pin13.net if you want to preview how it'll be parsed! #indieweb
# tantek_ judging from the order of implementations https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples - we would expect evidence on your and Benwerd's permalinks
# aaronpk here's one from me to barnaby https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/31/4/indieweb
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] "Build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill Facebook" http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/ #indieweb
# aaronpk and check out all the back and forth between me and benwerd here, looks like he was getting webmention and h-entry working then https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/23
# tantek_ aaronpk, gRegorLove found this from 2013-06-11 last night: http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-04-19/line/1492671575461
# Loqi [gRegorLove] Here's first of aaronpk's comments I've found on another site (starting from 2013-05-26 onward): https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160331132325/http://www.sandeep.io/44...
# aaronpk and another one! http://erikmaarten.com/articles/2013/06/28/testing-webmention
# tantek_ I pinged benwerd about http://werd.io/view/51a80c16bed7de2a060f864a let's see if he can find it / restore it
# tantek_ ah, he always used blogger on http://sandeep.shetty.in but just redirected sandeep.io there at some point (which used to be where he ran Converspace)
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# tantek_ I got as far as the github repo: https://github.com/converspace/converspace
# tantek_ Sandeep is noticeably missing from https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples so we should at least capture his site/project there in a "Previous Examples" subsection
# Loqi Converspace was a personal publishing project for social blogging by Sandeep Shetty https://indieweb.org/Converspace
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# KevinMarks Apparently known's webfinger support rotted too
# KevinMarks This is such a stupid protocol
# KartikPrabhu lol
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@aaronpk welp, @wunderlist is officially going away, guess it's time to figure out an #indieweb replacement https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/20/microsoft-is-replacing-wunderlist-with-a-new-to-do-app/ (twitter.com/_/status/855208009244360704)
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# KartikPrabhu what is wunderlist?
# Loqi Wunderlist is an app for managing todo lists, is available for many desktop and mobile platforms, and has an API https://indieweb.org/Wunderlist