#indieweb 2017-04-24

2017-04-24 UTC
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miklb wonders if GWG meant literally or soon
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GWG I am descending into a European city now
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[colinwalker] Welcome ?
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[kevinmarks] Which one, gwg?
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[kevinmarks] I am descending towards London by train, so it will be a few hours yet.
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[kevinmarks] I am on the Stockton to Darlington line shortly, which is the oldest railway.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Excited to watch the beginning of the roll out of micro.blog" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-24 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/24/excited-to-watch-the-beginning-of-the-roll-out-of-micro-blog/
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@ChrisAldrich Excited to watch roll out of http://micro.blog and what it portends for the future of internet #indieweb http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/24/excited-to-watch-the-beginning-of-the-roll-out-of-micro-blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/856412385992736768)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "In transition" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-24 https://medium.com/@colinwalker/in-transition-d893edf5d10a?source=rss-a7aa408c8287------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "In transition" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-24 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ColinWalker/~3/R9SJs-AtZlk/
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@webrocker Neben der Vollbartproblematik stellt sich auch die Frage, was zum Eff ich eigentlich beim Indiewebcamp basteln möchte. (twitter.com/_/status/856443505870340097)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "In transition" on 2017-04-24 http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/ColinWalker/%7E3/R9SJs-AtZlk/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon, Twitter and publics" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-24 https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/mastodon-twitter-and-publics-e981a3558d35?source=rss-------1
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@kevinmarks Mastodon, Twitter and publics - thinking about how having local peers changes media http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/856500699785338881)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon, Twitter and publics - thinking about how having local peers changes media http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-24 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/mastodon-twitter-and-publics---thinking-about-how-having-local
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon, Twitter and publics" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-24 http://epeus.blogspot.com/2017/04/mastodon-twitter-and-publics.html
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[colinwalker] Having some issues with Semantic Linkbacks. I'm trying to build a custom loop but get_linkbacks () doesn't return anything for type 'like'. If I pass a null type the like is found so it's obviously not recognising it as a like. Any thoughts?
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Zegnat What is Starfriends?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Starfriends" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Starfriends is a social network that lets its users define (public and private) tags for themselves that can be used to match users to each other, instead of offering pre-defined information fields. https://www.starfriends.org/
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Been falling way behind on everything IndieWeb now that I have to limit my internet usage :(
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[chrisaldrich] good morning all
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[colinwalker] ?
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[chrisaldrich] Has anyone built any custom post-kinds templates other than what's at https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/tree/e6d151b0cfa7ff1a3f9d6c97f8615e712c6e1836/includes/views? GWG? miklb?
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[chrisaldrich] colinwalker: staying up late to see zero hour for micro.blog?
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[colinwalker] I won't get my invite until later in the week ;)
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[chrisaldrich] colinwalker: I can't remember if independent publisher has the type of get_linkbacks () functionality you were looking at. It does have pieces of the sorting I think you're looking for though.
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[chrisaldrich] What is Independent Publisher?
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Loqi Independent Publisher is a responsive and modern WordPress theme that is Indieweb friendly https://indieweb.org/Independent_Publisher
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[chrisaldrich] I looked up my place in the queue and I'm somewhere around 1,300...
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[colinwalker] Cool. Thanks, I'll have to have a look. For some reason semantic_linkbacks_type seems to be returning "mention" instead of like
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[chrisaldrich] colinwalker: somewhere in a github repository I think GWG built the beginnings of a comment walker that does part of what you're you're looking for too.
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[colinwalker] The semantic linkbacks plugin should do it but seems to be having an issue.
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/4068730
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: simply redirects to their about page
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aaronpk public url https://mastodon.social/@simonv3/4068730
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Loqi [Simon] Mastodon Theory by @kevinmarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html Additionally, Mastodon has been a massive opportunity to learn more about standards than I did before. It's also an encouragement to set these things up for my own self - l...
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[kevinmarks] Gah I keep doing that https://mastodon.social/@simonv3/4068730
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Loqi [Simon] Mastodon Theory by @kevinmarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html Additionally, Mastodon has been a massive opportunity to learn more about standards than I did before. It's also an encouragement to set these things up for my own self - l...
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[kevinmarks] I need to wrote a bug report about this
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb ?
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[chrisaldrich] colinwalker: I think GWG flew to Europe for work yesterday for a day or so. I'm sure he'll see your comment and respond pending his jetlag. You could also file an issue https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks
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Loqi [pfefferle] wordpress-semantic-linkbacks: More meaningfull linkbacks
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[kevinmarks] Anyway, the idea that mastodon is teaching about standards is a bit worrying
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[pfefferle] colinwalker can you please file a bug as chrisaldrich suggested, then I will have a look. btw. I started a facepile branch some time ago, perhaps you might want to help.
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[chrisaldrich] good morning pfefferle
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[pfefferle] good morning :)
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[colinwalker] pfefferle Will do.
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[pfefferle] the webmention plugin seems quite stable so I think we should add some more focus on the semantic linkbacks plugin
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], why would it be worrying? Wouldn’t it be expected? Something open finally looks good enough for the masses, so people who follow the masses start to look at the standards behind it.
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[colinwalker] Gah! Forgot GitHub logins were blocked here at work. Phone it is then ?
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[kevinmarks] Worrying because webfinger and salmon are so bonkers
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[chrisaldrich] colinwalker, I'm not finding GWG's comment walker work anywhere, but I know he's hacked at it somewhere
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[pfefferle] colinwalker chrisaldrich here is a comment walker he implemented in semantic comments https://github.com/dshanske/semantic-comments
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Loqi [dshanske] semantic-comments: Improved Comment Handling Options for the Semantic Linkbacks Plugin
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], well, hopefully people will start iterating on the standards again now that there are more eyeballs on them
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[chrisaldrich] pfefferle: thanks!
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[pfefferle] chrisaldrich but as far as i know it helps only styling the comments and has no "grouping" support
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[pfefferle] chrisaldrich here is the facepile branch https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/tree/seperate-comments-by-type
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[chrisaldrich] Have any themes besides /Independent_Publisher done grouping?
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[colinwalker] Thanks. Issue logged.
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[colinwalker] I looked at Semantic Comments earlier but no joy.
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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Loqi tantek: martymcguire[m] left you a message 3 days, 4 hours ago: thanks for the reminder. i need to write down the post-HWC steps to be sure i don't miss the wikifying of photos and notes.
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Loqi tantek: [cleverdevil] left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: I did create a plugin for "on this day" for Known, sort of. Currently, it lives here – https://github.com/cleverdevil/CleverCustomize – but, it requires a change to Known core that I haven't yet submitted a PR for.
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tantek Any HWC this week?
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tantek !tell martymcguire you might find these post-HWC steps helpful as a starting point, feel free to edit & improve! https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Structure
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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martymcguire[m] tantek: good idea. added a wrap-up subsection to the end of the Structure section
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tantek thanks martymcguire[m]. I emphasized the "immediately" :) and wrap-up was hopefully done in the previous step ;)
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GWG I am on now from Dublin.
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GWG The comment walker work is in the mf2_s repo, but needs work
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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martymcguire[m] tantek: thanks for the emphasis!
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gRegorLove The png [3] on https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Structure could be updated; uses the old logo.
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gRegorLove Maybe the 2014-indieweb-movement image instead.
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gRegorLove I need to remember to use the HWC graphic martymcguire[m]'s been using, though.
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tantek what is a direct message?
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Loqi messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/direct_message
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tantek what is a follower-only message?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "follower-only message" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a private post
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
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tantek follower-only message is /private post
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Loqi ok
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tantek huh apparently pages with spacenames don't work for that
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tantek aaronpk: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?oldid=36041&rcid=35961
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tantek what is friends only
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "friends only" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk :sigh:
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tantek I got this
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tantek friends only is [[private_posts#Sharing_only_with_approved_followers]]
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Loqi ok
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tantek Pocket founder: "I was the first user"
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tantek FYI - watching interview now at https://air.mozilla.org/
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tantek (Mozilla Project Meeting)
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tantek ... "I am still a big users"
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tantek s/users/user of Pocket
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tantek (e.g. re: data privacy, control, etc.)
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tantek Pocket is a selfdogfood success
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gRegorLove What is Pocket?
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Loqi Pocket is a bookmarking and reading site and service (formerly Read It Later) that was acquired by Mozilla who plans to both keep running the service (and build on it) and open source it as well https://indieweb.org/Pocket
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strk how do I add a new redirect on the wiki ?
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strk from here https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNUSocial&action=edit&redlink=1
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strk to there https://indieweb.org/GNU_social
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aaronpk what is GNUSocial?
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Loqi GNU social is a free software project that "will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server" https://indieweb.org/gnusocial
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aaronpk oh there's a redirect from the lowercase one
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aaronpk make the page with #REDIRECT[[GNU social]]
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tantek strk what problem are you trying to solve? did you find a red link?
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tantek "As long as it is on a URL, you can save it to Pocket"
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tantek there is a very strong "open web first" theme in the entire interview with the Pocket founder - highly recommend anyone building a "client" watch it
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tantek here live: https://air.mozilla.org/mozilla-weekly-project-meeting-20170424/ (and will be archived there after it is finished)
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Loqi Mozilla Weekly Project Meeting
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gRegorLove "keep on rockin' the free web"
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strk tantek: I actually added a red link (wrote it as I tought was correct)
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strk was editing the OpenID page, removed myPHPId as it's a 404
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strk next would need to change myOopenID
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aaronpk looks like phpmyid lives on as a fork https://github.com/sole/phpMyID
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Loqi [sole] phpMyID: A fork of phpMyID that works on php 5.4
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aaronpk that was the first openid server I installed on my site!
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tantek strk, makes sense. we should probably move the existing redirect to where you expected it
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tantek does anyone here run phpMyID on their site?
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tantek (aside: still haven't checked my FB notifications / pages (besides my profile to see how my POSSE copies worked while I was away) since last Monday!
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tantek I'm wondering about the feasibility of going to "once a day" silo-checking instead of a full-on silo-quit. Kind of like meatless Mondays
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aaronpk seems like a reasonable approach. sounds similar to the idea of setting aside specific times to check email
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tantek "social media monday"
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tantek (only half ;) )
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[kevinmarks] I used quill editor to write my post, but it failed to post to known, so I coped out the HTML from the dom inspector and pasted it into a text file
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strk myopenid is dismissed, right ?
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strk I would wipe out this section here: https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain#Delegating_your_domain_to_myOpenID
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strk done
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gRegorLove strk: Have a link for the WordPress OpenID plugin?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@LukasRosenstock Absolutely. Make it easy to host an indieweb capable domain and business can only grow." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-04-21 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/lukasrosenstock-absolutely-make-it-easy-to-host-an-indieweb-capable
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strk good question, I was too lazy, let me check (it's not a great plugin, I've a pending PR there too)
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strk https://github.com/diso/wordpress-openid
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Loqi [diso] wordpress-openid: Allows WordPress to provide and consumer OpenIDs for authentication of users and comments.
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strk could be this one: https://wordpress.org/plugins/openid/
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Loqi [DiSo Development Team] Download OpenID By DiSo Development Team Details Reviews Installation Support Development Descr...
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strk link added
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@derhess Late night notes of my the last #indieweb Homebrew Wesbite Club Meeting in Berlin http://derhess.de/2017/04/24/notes-from-the-homebrew-website-club-6-in-berlin/ #webdev #webmemex #linkeddata #web (twitter.com/_/status/856610496333713409)
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strk a section about delegating to GNUSocial would also be nice here: https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain#Delegate_to_external_authenticator
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strk and the indieauth.com delegation section shoudl be removed, unless openid is added again (I really hope it can be done)
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk you *can* delegate to indieauth.com
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aaronpk if you can figure out how to delegate to gnusocial feel free to add a section
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strk oh, I thought it was dismissed
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aaronpk https://indieauth.com/openid
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aaronpk quite a lot of people are using that right now, ever since myopenid shut down i've had a steady stream of users
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strk that's 1.0 only, right ?
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aaronpk yes, i think we've been over this before?
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strk probably, yes. is there a wiki page listing openid 1.0 consumers ?
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aaronpk we haven't really made the distinction between 1.0 and 2.0, so everything about openid is on https://indieweb.org/OpenID#Consuming_Sites
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strk I've added some info when I knew it
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aaronpk great
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strk trying the indieauth delegation with try.gitea.io fails by never returning back, but maybe it's my own setup that fails
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strk anyway, I'm sure gitea only supports OpenID-2.0 so would make sense for things not to work
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aaronpk looks like i just signed in to gitea!
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strk simpleid has a pluggable authentication backend, can work with simple files or with LDAP, maybe it wouldn't be hard to have a relauthme backend
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strk aaronpk: with indieauth.com delegation ?
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aaronpk delegated to indieauth.com
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strk uhm, odd, it didn't work for me
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strk in your settings you should be able to make your openid url visible, take a look
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strk also, I see you're not having a libravatar setup ! :)
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strk what is libravatar ?
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Loqi Libravatar is a protocol specification for fetching avatar images for E-Mail addresses and OpenIDs in a decentralized way https://indieweb.org/libravatar
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: I started a couple of custom kind_views templates - https://github.com/ngm/doublepress/tree/master/kind_views
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strk I failed to login on try.gitea.io via http://strk.kbt.io/openid/indieauth.html
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aaronpk yeah i'm not a fan of libravatar... it is just another silo like gravatar
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tantek what is libravatar
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Loqi Libravatar is a protocol specification for fetching avatar images for E-Mail addresses and OpenIDs in a decentralized way https://indieweb.org/libravatar
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tantek I thought it used extra DNS headers or something?
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strk aaronpk: it is NOT, it's a specification which lets you serve your own avatar, check mine on try.gitea.io (strk)
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strk right, it checks DNS of your @email.domain
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strk SRV record
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aaronpk ahhh i misunderstood then
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strk so you configure where you want your avatar to be looked for
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tantek ah right, which was too challenging for most people to setup, which is why I think it got ignored when pitched here many years ago
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aaronpk all their examples are pointing to cdn.libravatar.org
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strk common libraries by default use to fallback to the libravatar.org silo if the DNS has no entry
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aaronpk gitea seems to have found my avatar, not sure how
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strk which in trun falls back to gravatar if there's no entry in their silo
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strk that's how :)
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aaronpk aha
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tantek that's a common flaw of complex protocols, they use a fallback silo, that everyone ends up using
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strk so if you uploaded a picture to libravatar.org that one would show up
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: using twig template engine, as I find it easier to read (especially previously working with .net/razor)
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strk or (better) if you configured your DNS you could serve your own avatar
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tantek same thing happened to Persona
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strk well, same thing happens with IndieAuth I guess ? people still using github ?
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tantek or maybe it was because Persona dependended on Webfinger which itself was a non-starter for many people
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strk it's just what's easier
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strk anyway, gitea lets you configure the fallback too
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tantek strk - nope, no client holds onto nor serves any github URLs with IndieAuth
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tantek massive difference
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strk so if you don't wnat to contact a silo at all you can do that
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tantek with IndieAuth, the use of github / Twitter etc. is purely ephemeral. any record of it disappears with the transaction
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tantek with libravatar, use of libravatar.org persists in URLs, so the silo gets embedded by default and persists
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tantek competely different
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strk thath depends on the client library, as I was saying
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aaronpk no, it's built in to the protocol
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aaronpk the consuming site doesn't know about github
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tantek I don't see how, since regardless of client, it has to depend on the libravatar.org URL
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strk the protocol itself does not tell you waht to do when DNS record does not exist
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tantek ah ok
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tantek the fallback is a client library convention
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tantek not protocol
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tantek ok
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strk I "think" so (as with IndieAuth... the specification work is not really strict...)
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aaronpk we've already seen this happen over the years that indieauth.com has been running, there are plenty of auth providers that have gone away and yet everyone's indieauth identities have remained constant, just switching how the authentication actually happens
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tantek strk, which client libraries are these, and can we patch them to fallback to e.g. h-card photo at the domain instead *before* going to the silo?
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tantek the less frequently that any client libraries have to fallback to any silo, the better
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tantek regardless of protocol
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strk https://wiki.libravatar.org/libraries/
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tantek cool
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strk stacking multiple protocol support easily ends up building spaghetti libs though, not sure what the best approach is
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strk I do understand the rationale but not sure what's the best approach to reach the desired behavior (magic support of multiple protocols)
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strk btw, people already complain about libravatar support in gitea being slow (a DNS lookup for every email domain)
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tantek libravatar << https://wiki.libravatar.org/libraries/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://wiki.libravatar.org/libraries/" to the "See Also" section of /libravatar
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strk imagine adding more indirections...
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tantek indeed performance is a valid issue
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tantek do you have a link to the specific issue?
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strk about slowness ? nobody filed a ticket
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tantek so not that bad a problem?
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strk they just mentioned as a reason not to enable it by default on try.gitea.io (oops, now that I think about it, that's still the case!)
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strk well, I did enable it on https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/
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strk but try.gitea.io unfortunately still has it off
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tantek did they just mention that in private email or?
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strk notabug.org has it on
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gRegorLove What is gitea?
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Loqi Gitea is a community fork of Gogs, which forked late 2016/early 2017 due to perceived inactivity of the main projects maintainer: https://indieweb.org/Gitea
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strk but notabug.org does not support openid yet
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strk as it's still running Gogs
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strk what is gogs ?
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Loqi Gogs is a self-hosted Git server with additional features such as issue management https://indieweb.org/Gogs
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strk let me find that ticket I tried to use
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strk here: https://try.gitea.io/gitea/gitea/issues/6
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aaronpk sidenote, gogs appears to have active development, what's the summary of the current status of the forks?
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tantek strk, I get empty page and source for that gitea URL
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strk status: personally I'm not following Gogs anymore, just focusing on Gitea instead - there's much activity in Gitea too but things are slower due to an enforced burocracy
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strk tantek: really ? it works here
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strk oh
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strk you found a bug !
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tantek I did?
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strk yep
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aaronpk tantek is good at that
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strk filed here https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1539 (gitea is still not selfdogfooding)
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Loqi [strk] #1539 blank page when not signed in on try.gitea.io
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strk tantek: you might want to try finding more bugs in the OpenID login since you are at it
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strk I made that support so I know the library does NOT support OpenID-1.0
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strk but aaronpk mentioned he did log in, so I'm confused
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tantek I mean to be fair, it's kinda hard to use your own issue system to document issues about itself if it itself is broken
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[chrisaldrich] strk: I haven't used it in ages myself, but some of the maintainers of the WordPress OpenID plugin are often here in chat if you want to give them a nudge. pfefferle was actually here earlier this morning.
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strk Loqi: tell pfefferle to take a look at https://github.com/openid/php-openid/pull/134
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Loqi [strk] #134 Fix case-sensitivity in discovery
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strk [chrisaldrich]: will the above work to ping pfefferle when he's online ?
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aaronpk it's !tell username message https://indieweb.org/Loqi#Interactions
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strk !tell pfefferle to take a look at https://github.com/openid/php-openid/pull/134 (and https://github.com/openid/php-openid/issues/138) please
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [strk] #134 Fix case-sensitivity in discovery
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miklb [chrisaldrich] I am using custom post-kind templates
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strk what for miklb ?
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miklb to work better with my CSS & to add u-url to the link to a tweet since I'm using Oembed tweets
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gRegorLove I got "Could not verify the claimed ID" when trying to log in to try.gitea.io with IndieAuth
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gRegorLove I think aaronpk is just magic
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aaronpk weird!
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strk that error I'd expect, from an OpenID-1.0 provider
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gRegorLove Because you have a different authorization_endpoint than indieauth.com?
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gRegorLove you = aaronpk
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strk aaronpk: what's your URL ? (that's why I mentioned you can make it visible from your settings...)
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/
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Loqi Aaron Parecki h
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aaronpk oh i wasn't sure what you meant by that
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aaronpk Loqi?! what is the "h" from
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tantek lol
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gRegorLove What the h, Loqi
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strk aaronpk: https://try.gitea.io/user/settings/openid - see the "Show on profile" button
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aaronpk got it
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gRegorLove Hmm, I have my openid.server as https://indieauth.com/openid but I see the docs have https://openid.indieauth.com/openid
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strk indeed it's weird, as you're delegating openid1... uhm
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aaronpk ah yeah that'd do it
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aaronpk indieauth.com is load balanced
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aaronpk openid.indieauth.com is just one server
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop, miklb Thanks for the pointers!
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miklb [chrisaldrich] glanced at the logs, I'm working on a comment walker and have code to separate likes & reposts from replies
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strk what happens for me when I try that delegation on try.gitea.io is I'm redirected to openid.indieauth.com to sign in but after signing in I'm not redirected back
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aaronpk that's odd
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aaronpk I did use GPG authentication which doesn't have a redirect. could be something with the session is broken.
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strk let me try with GPG
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miklb [chrisaldrich] I saw the link pfefferle posted to that branch for semantic linkbacks, I'm using a function that's already in released code to do something similar. Started with my own comment Query, but then found the function that does same thing
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strk The page isn’t redirecting properly
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aaronpk so it worked with gpg?
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strk I keep getting bounced between my site and indieauth (with openid-proxy)
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strk hadn't tried with gpg yet
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GWG miklb, [chrisaldrich]: I'm hoping some more basic display functions end up in the plugin
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strk so this is surely to do with the return_url
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aaronpk k. if you figure out any details, or at least can document the specific setup that's causing that, please file an issue
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: did you put your theme up on github? I know you were considering it.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, I saw you put the issue in the plugin repo the other day and was hoping to collect some examples as well as add something myself.
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strk bah, pgp also failed getting back to the authorization_endpoint, I'm very confused, will need more sleep
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miklb [chrisaldrich] I decided to develop a theme, rather than just put mine up for people to mine. I'll still make mine open, but wanted to go ahead and have another indieweb WP theme in the wild
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[chrisaldrich] in a sense make a mini primer with some collected examples for those who want to do so in the future.
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miklb Once I iron out the custom comment walker it will go pretty fast.
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miklb I'm going to use the same CSS framework that I built my site with.
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tantek strk++ for all the OpenID updates!
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Loqi strk has 1 karma in this channel (2 overall)
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GWG Well, if I ever wake up, I'm set to do stuff here.
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miklb [chrisaldrich] this will be the repo for the new theme https://github.com/miklb/permission
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Loqi [miklb] permission: WordPress theme with IndieWeb support baked in. You have permission to free your content from silos.
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tantek strk, speaking of avatars and such, add yourself to https://indieweb.org/irc-people so you show up nicely and linked to your domain in the logs! E.g. https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-04-24#t1493069888610000
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: colinwalker was looking for pointers/hints for a comment walker this morning as well if you can help him out.
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aaronpk what is a comment walker?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "comment walker" yet. Would you like to create it?
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strk tantek: done (but I'm not properly setup with avatar :)
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: I like the name for that repo and the tagline for it!
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miklb aaronpk it's a medieval torture device disguised as a WordPress class to deal with nested levels of comments
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miklb there's also a walker class for navigation
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tantek strk, the irc-people "avatar" mechanism is very dumb. IRC nickname, photo URL :)
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miklb [chrisaldrich] thanks. See also: naming stuff is hard :-D
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strk it didn't like https://avatars.kbt.io/avatar/fe2a9e759730ee64c44bf8901bf4ccc3?s=128
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martymcguire[m] ah, that reminds me: aaronpk, I've tried setting an IRC People nick for myself as martymcguire[m] and as martymcguire but i still show up as anonymous in the web chat logs :[
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aaronpk hm k, will look
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aaronpk strk: it looks like you added "sc" as the image URL, not https://avatars.kbt.io/avatar/fe2a9e759730ee64c44bf8901bf4ccc3?s=128 ?
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KartikPrabhu right ^
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: even that URL does not show up in the preview?
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aaronpk oh, probably a MW thing. mediawiki doesn't think it's an image because it doesn't end in .jpg
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KartikPrabhu yeah that was my guess
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aaronpk it should still be saved and passed on to the chat logs though and should work fine there
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KartikPrabhu also adding a ".jpg" in the end does not showup in the preview. I think the query parameter is messing something up in MW
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aaronpk mediawiki is silly sometimes
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miklb s/sometimes/usually/
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KartikPrabhu now chatlogs show "broken image" for strk https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-04-24#t1493070977761000
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Loqi [strk] it didn't like https://avatars.kbt.io/avatar/fe2a9e759730ee64c44bf8901bf4ccc3?s=128
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aaronpk that's probably the "sc" image
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KartikPrabhu I edited just now. should wait for a bit maybe
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aaronpk oh, mediawiki isn't even rendering the img tag
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KartikPrabhu yup
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aaronpk so it's not in the parsed mf2
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aaronpk bah
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KartikPrabhu lol!
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aaronpk wow, i'm confused because the sparkline template has a literal <img> tag in it so it shouldn't even be hitting the silly mediawiki parsing rules
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tantek right
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tantek that's how the Twitter images work
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[colinwalker] miklb would be interesting to see the comment walker once you've got it finished as I'm having an with Semantic Linkbacks returning likes as "mention"
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miklb hmm
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tantek what is a comment walker
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "comment walker" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek kevinmarks, your closing sentence of http://www.kevinmarks.com/mastodontheory.html does not follow, or rather, you missed an opportunity to update it
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Loqi Mastodon, Twitter and publics 2017-04-24
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GWG That isn't the comment walker, that is likely the parser.
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tantek all the RECs & PRs of SWWG have "rough consensus and running code" so your use of ", but " is incorrect
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tantek You may have meant to update that to: rough user momentum in deciding to run the same code
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[colinwalker] I submitted an issue for it so we'll see.
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miklb [colinwalker] what I'm doing for likes/reposts is a "facepile" and this is how I'm doing it. https://gist.github.com/miklb/f86ece1431283f1220e2735449678724
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[colinwalker] Thanks I'll have a look in the morning.
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tantek KevinMarks, also, your expression of "OStatus-based" ducks the very real problem of federation-breakages between GNU Social and Mastodon because they don't quite implement the same "OStatus" subset. Hmm where we have seen this before? XMPP anyone?
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[colinwalker] Better go - gotta be up at 4. Night all.
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[colinwalker] miklb just looked ;) I had something similar but it's the get_linkbacks that's the problem - doesn't return anything for 'like' - if I leave it null then check type it says 'mention'
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[colinwalker] Thanks anyway.
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miklb [colinwalker] are you passing the post ID? I've confirmed it's only displaying likes for my site
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[colinwalker] Yeah, same as yours with get_the_ID
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miklb hmm
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[colinwalker] Now I really must go ?
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miklb good night
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Loqi sleep tight!
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miklb and I must make dinner, but will be back around later.
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GWG I think we can get this all fixed
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KevinMarks Well, they're pretty close - the interop complaints are about embedded html, and supporting thread id's
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tantek Kevinmarks, not really, the privacy / ACL / DMs thing is huge. or if you prefer, yuuuuuuuge
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tantek also a bit surprised about "thread id" as a separate thing. are they not just URLs?
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gRegorLove Updated strk on /irc-people with template param numbers; showing up now.
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aaronpk i think thread id is a hack around crawling a reply chain
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aaronpk gRegorLove: whoa
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aaronpk why did that work?
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aaronpk also i never knew about the param number thing!
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gRegorLove Not sure. MediaWiki might be confusing the query string in the URL
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gRegorLove Yeah, at some point we updated /Tempalte:irc_user blank example with them.
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KevinMarks Yes, I think so too. That may be a bodge because of salmon details (does salmon give the url of the reply?)
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gRegorLove raucao's image isn't working either, has a query string. Thinking that must be it.
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gRegorLove strk's avatar showing in the logs now
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aaronpk thx gRegorLove!
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KevinMarks Tantek, you were talking about getting UI for privacy right first. Mastodon does a fairly good job of that, but fell down on federating in a backwards compatible way. I think they changed who gets sent what, but it is still tricky
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tantek KevinMarks, it's not getting UI for privacy right. It's getting UI for privacy in a *federated system* right. I haven't seen that in practice yet (outside email and XMPP obv)
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tantek certainly not cross-implementation
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tantek it's still single implementation
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tantek (for privacy)
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KevinMarks Do you see https://medium.com/@alliethehart/gameingers-are-dead-and-so-is-mastodon-705b535ed616
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KevinMarks That's kind of a counterpoint to the party I cited about mastodon handling user requests well
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