#indieweb 2017-04-27

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[kevinmarks]
https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/annotated-rss20.html links each element to the parsed version, which is often the easiest to grok (I just used that to fix the escaping of the feed description in my atom to mf2 html unmunger)
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tantek
wow lots of logs in just over an hour
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[manton]
kevinmarks Cool. Also: I just deployed a change to that Micro.blog theme to add h-feed/h-entry to the home page. Thanks for mentioning it! http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmanton.micro.blog&html=&pretty=on
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[kevinmarks]
yay, manton++
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[kevinmarks]
put a p-name on the h-feed
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[kevinmarks]
u-photo on the photo posts
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tantek
very cool how nice the comment from micro.blog looks on Known! https://cleverdevil.io/2017/in-the-last-10-days-ive-reported-6-accounts-for
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Loqi
[Jonathan LaCour] In the last 10 days, I've reported 6 accounts for spam on Instagram. Sigh.
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[kevinmarks]
ah, you could put the header bit inside the h-feed (h-feed on body?) and mark up the info there
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tantek
and the reply-context on micro.blog is quite nice too! Thought it looks odd to see the original *under* the reply: https://micro.blog/manton/15015
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Loqi
[manton] @cleverdevil I've noticed more span accounts in Instagram lately too. The reporting UI isn't too bad, but feels like some of these should be automatically caught.
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tantek
span?
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tantek
a-ha this brings up an interesting question
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tantek
can one edit posts on micro.blog to fix typos? e.g. s/span/spam ?
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tantek
and if so, when you edit a reply on micro.blog, does it resend webmentions so that the copy of the reply on the other site gets the update?
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[manton]
Oops! Haha.
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Loqi
hehe
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tantek
manton :)
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[manton]
You can't edit yet. I've been talking with users and I think I'm convinced that I will allow editing, but keep an edit history that anyone can look at to prevent abuse, e.g. saying one thing and then editing it to be completely different/nicer.
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[manton]
kevinmarks Thanks! I'll make those changes.
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tantek
manton - very sensible. I believe that's how FB solved that problem
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[kevinmarks]
making name and summary explicit at the h-feed level would map the other feeds more closely
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tantek
manton, also, as you're likely aware, being able to quickly make minor edits might be enough to tip quite a few people from Twitter ;)
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tantek
manton, regarding keep an edit history, viewable of course, we've documented (with screenshots) how Facebook does it: https://indieweb.org/versioning#Facebook
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[manton]
Thanks, I hadn't seen that before. Checking it out.
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[eddie]
Aww, too bad Loki doesn’t pick up urls when they are attached to photo uploads from slack. Let’s try this again, Loki…
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Loqi
[Eddie Hinkle] Eddie drank a can of Mt. Dew
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[eddie]
Yes, there we go! Thanks Loki
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Thrilled to see the rollout of Micro.blog! Three cheers for the #IndieWeb." by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-26 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/thrilled-to-see-the-rollout-of-microblog-three-cheers-for
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gRegorLove
I just ran, don't tempt me with stuff like that [eddie] :)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "If #Indieweb newcomers need a site to play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight, I've built http://known.boffosocko.com" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-04-27 http://known.boffosocko.com/2017/04/05/if-indieweb-newcomers-need-a-site-to-play-withtest-for
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[chrisaldrich]
Welcome tamaracks
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[tamaracks]
Thanks. ?
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[eddie]
gRegorLove: uhoh!! Lol ?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb & WordPress | iDallas!" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-23 https://idallas.com/notes/1527/
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[chrisaldrich]
tamaracks I see you're on grav, I don't suppose you've got webmentions set up yet?
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[chrisaldrich]
tamaracks I ask because I know jeremycherfas has been trying to indiewebify his grav site for a bit as well.
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[tamaracks]
chrisaldrich No, I don’t. I’ve been perusing a lot of the indieWeb stuff recently waiting for my micro.blog invite. I’ve been trying to figure out ways to post to Grav via some kind of web call instead of uploading a file or using the admin interface, but I am not sure I am talented enough to pull that off.
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[tamaracks]
At the moment, debating going back to Wordpress for the first time in years. ?
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[chrisaldrich]
tamaracks I know jeremycherfas has got a WordPress site for his podcast and he's been debating the same thing, though I think he's sticking with Grav for his personal site.
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[chrisaldrich]
What is Grav?
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Loqi
Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/Grav
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[tamaracks]
That’s a pretty good description. ? I was using Kirby up til recently (well, sorta still am, as I haven’t fully transitioned from it yet), also a flat-file CMS built on PHP. I like the flat-file thing, because databases seem to get complicated for getting your data out of. But then database-based CMSes are more likely to have integrations with other sites and services.
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[chrisaldrich]
I suspect you could use RSS to port your content from Grav into micro.blog to get you going there.
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[tamaracks]
Yes. It’s more that I’ve been getting interested in the bi-directionality aspect and micropub, and that is a lot harder to find for Grav.
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[chrisaldrich]
It looks like there's a couple of people using /Grav
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[chrisaldrich]
What is Kirby?
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Loqi
Kirby is a filed-based CMS https://indieweb.org/Kirby
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[tamaracks]
Very similar to Grav, but different. ?
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[chrisaldrich]
It looks like there's at least a webmention plugin for that.
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[chrisaldrich]
I know there are a good number of folks using flat-file CMSes for their personal sites.
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[tamaracks]
Yes, the guy who makes Kirby wrote it at an IndieWeb conference it sounds like.
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[chrisaldrich]
Is there anything in particular you're looking to do on your site at the moment?
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[tamaracks]
Besides the fact that I probably like playing with the blog more than writing in it? ? I keep wanting an easier way to create posts, like when sharing a link from my phone or iPad.
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[chrisaldrich]
I personally use a handful of bookmarklets with some javascript to do some of that.
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[tamaracks]
What do you use?
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[chrisaldrich]
If you can support micropub, there are a handful of mobile and web-based micropub clients that could do that pretty well.
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[tamaracks]
Yeah, but I haven’t found anyone doing micropub for Grav yet.
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[chrisaldrich]
I have two different personal sites: one on /WordPress and one using /Known
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[chrisaldrich]
Do you have the coding skills to read the spec and implement it yourself?
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[tamaracks]
I’ve seen mention of Known, but from looking at the site, I’m not quite sure how it works or who it’s for.
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[tamaracks]
Probably not. I’m a tinkerer more than a coder. ?
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[chrisaldrich]
I think that's how jeremycherfas would describe himself as well, though he did have a nice breakthrough earlier today.
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm probably not too much better myself.
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[chrisaldrich]
If you want to give Known a test drive, I have host a multi-site install at http://known.boffosocko.com which you can register for an account.
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[tamaracks]
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
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[chrisaldrich]
Have you managed to get yourself signed into the wiki yet?
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[tamaracks]
The IndieWeb wiki? I’ve explored it, not signed into it.
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[chrisaldrich]
https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started is usually a good first place to start
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[chrisaldrich]
your site looks like you've got some of the basics already working pretty well.
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[tamaracks]
I don’t think I looked at that page yet. I can be kind of scattershot.
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[tamaracks]
Which one of mine can you see? www.darkglass.org or blog.darkglass.org?
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[chrisaldrich]
It's on the quiet side here at the moment, but do let us know if you have any questions or need any help.
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[chrisaldrich]
I saw darkglass.org.
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[chrisaldrich]
The kirby site is very pretty; nice clean lines and lots of color.
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[tamaracks]
Just curious. That’s the in progress Grav install. blog.darkglass.org is where I’ve had my Kirby blog.
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[tamaracks]
Thanks. ? It’s been a while since I have done much with it.
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[chrisaldrich]
You're not the first to have multiple sites. I think I may actually have been the one to start the page https://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb
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[chrisaldrich]
Are you near a city with a Homebrew Website Club? or any of the other upcoming events? https://indieweb.org/events
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[tamaracks]
Hehe. Well, the blog subdomain was a decision I made a good while ago. I think it was mostly because I had my domain hosted somewhere else at the time, but I wanted to try making a blog on a NearlyFreeSpeed.net site, so I used a sub-domain.
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[tamaracks]
Doesn’t look like it. I live near Boston.
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[chrisaldrich]
Off hand I can't think of any folks I know in the Boston area, but you could add yourself to the https://indieweb.org/Planning page as being interested and start one yourself.
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[tamaracks]
I’ll think about it. I’m not a good planner. ?
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[chrisaldrich]
I always think of the Slack/IRC/Chat as a 24-7 IndieWebCamp / HWC meetup anyway... feel free to ask questions or for help if you need it as you're browsing pages.
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[tamaracks]
Thanks. ? I appreciate the welcome!
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[chrisaldrich]
I think that jeremycherfas' ears were burning...
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[tamaracks]
lol
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[jeremycherfas]
!tell miklb sounds good. I think I'll wait. Can always switch again, ha ha
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas, meet tamaracks a fellow Grav user who's also got a Kirby site and contemplating WordPress too...
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas++ for his lime green breakthrough yesterday
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Loqi
jeremycherfas has 2 karma
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[chrisaldrich]
Loqi, Grav, WordPress, or Kirby?
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[chrisaldrich]
apparently no opinion today.... ?
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sknebel
does Loqi even understand lists or only or clauses?
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Loqi
I think does loqi even understand lists
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gRegorLove
Loqi, Grav or WordPress?
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Loqi
I think grav
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gRegorLove
Think he only does two
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gRegorLove
Bots and their binary.
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[tamaracks]
Eenie meenie miney moe?
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[tamaracks]
Although you can do that with more than two choices, so nevermind. ?
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[jeremycherfas]
!tell tamaracks I have only just started to indieweb with grav. I have the webmentions plugin working but no way yet to display anything received.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tamaracks]
jeremycherfas Yeah, I looked at it, and it seemed a bit barebones.
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Loqi
[tamaracks]: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 1 minute ago: I have only just started to indieweb with grav. I have the webmentions plugin working but no way yet to display anything received.
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[tamaracks]
I wasn’t quite sure what to do with it yet.
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[jeremycherfas]
Loqi++ for smart choice
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Loqi
loqi has 57 karma in this channel (425 overall)
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[chrisaldrich]
johnholdun welcome to the indieweb!
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[chrisaldrich]
johnholdun I saw your note in the micro.blog #code channel; which CMS did you get set up with so quickly?
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[johnholdun]
Hi! Thanks! My site's powered by a PHP script I've been banging on for a year or two, sourced from a bunch of YAML files, kinda like Jekyll. I already had another PHP script that accepted form params and added microblog files to the YAML directory, so it was just a small step to satisfy Micropub's requirements
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[johnholdun]
I tried building in metaweblog support from scratch a couple months ago. This was a breeze in comparison.
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[johnholdun]
I've been reworking my CMS as a more powerful and extensible flat file static site generator in Ruby for a while (just what the world needed); one of these days I'll share that code
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sknebel
I seem to remember that somebody talked about compiling a list of indieweb-sites recently, but I can't find it in the logs again. Who was that/is there anything already existing?
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KartikPrabhu
what is irc-people
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KartikPrabhu
that should count ^
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[chrisaldrich]
johnholdun well, welcome to the gang! Feel free to browse around the wiki and ask any questions.
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[chrisaldrich]
sknebel: snarfed earlier today said the estimate was around 10k with most using Known and WordPress, but that number is far larger than irc-people!
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[chrisaldrich]
and now there's another ~3k joining via micro.blog this week
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[chrisaldrich]
The real question is are they all "actively" seeking out an indieweb presence?
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KartikPrabhu
why would one compile a list in any case?
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KartikPrabhu
[chrisaldrich]: what's an indieweb presence?
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[chrisaldrich]
Eventually, with any luck, the whole web becomes indie...
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[chrisaldrich]
KartikPrabhu: as compared to the multi-silo presence the majority of the world is living in presently
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[chrisaldrich]
I can see generation 3 people who have indiewebified sites who have absolutely no idea what "indieweb" means, yet they can use the technology and be as satisfied as they are with silos.
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KartikPrabhu
[chrisaldrich]: that is a good thing
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KartikPrabhu
"wanting" an indieweb presence is not the same as knowing the technology
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[chrisaldrich]
iirc, snarfed's definition of indieweb was supporting mf2 with webmentions and/or micropub, but didn't take into account the users' understanding of what Indieweb really is/means.
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KartikPrabhu
yes, which is fine. Twitter users don't really know/care or have an "understanding" of Twitter
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KartikPrabhu
or what Twitter "means"
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm sure there are hundreds of people in the education space who are using and loving Known, but who have no idea about the technology or the underlying philosophy.
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KartikPrabhu
exactly. So the "knowing" stuff should not count towards being indieweb or not
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KartikPrabhu
I think snarfed had the correct set of minimal criteria
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[chrisaldrich]
That's what I thought too.
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[chrisaldrich]
Good night indiewebs... until tomorrow
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Loqi
night night
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snarfed
fwiw my criteria were mf2 *or* webmention *or* micropub
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KartikPrabhu
yes "and/or"
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KartikPrabhu
not "xor"
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snarfed
right, including mf2 *without* webmention or micropub
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KartikPrabhu
yeah, that works for me :)
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KartikPrabhu
i would not count mf1 since a lot of that is just leftover from WP themes
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snarfed
well and lots else, but yes
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snarfed
and i'm only using that to determine programmatically whether to consider a site indieweb. definitely *not* a qualitative judgment of "understanding" indieweb, etc
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[kevinmarks]
in that case all mastodon installs count
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KartikPrabhu
yes, exactly. people using this stuff is good. "understanding" should not be a criteria at all
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KartikPrabhu
[kevinmarks]: yes! why not
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[colinwalker]
People currently need an understanding because it's the only way they can get it working - implementing it themselves.
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[colinwalker]
Everyone uses the web and email without a clue about how they work and this will be. I different.
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[colinwalker]
Widespread indieweb adoption will happen by stealth because someone with a bit of clout decides to implement it.
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[colinwalker]
If Automattic suddenly decided that all standard WordPress.com themes were going to have mf2 and support webmentions you've instantly got millions of people with an indieweb presence who haven't got a clue how it works, just that things are a little different.
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[colinwalker]
Oh, and, morning
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GWG
Good morning, [colinwalker]
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GWG
There is no one I know of with such clout who is such inclined
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[colinwalker]
Hey @GWG - Yet ;) (I'm trying to be optimistic)
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GWG
Me too
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sknebel
... ok, I did not expect to trigger such a discussion ;)
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[colinwalker]
If something like that _did_ happen it certainly wouldn't be couched in indieweb terms - it would just be described as a new way to present your stuff to make it easier to interact with.
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[colinwalker]
@sknebel haha
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Loqi
rofl
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[colinwalker]
I can feel a blog post coming on ?
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GWG
My attempts to get mf2 into WordPress Core have been less than successful
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sknebel
FWIW, when using irc-people as input 33 % of the sites there are in CommonCrawl. I wanted to get an idea of how much it covers the "personal websites" corner of the internet.
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[colinwalker]
Maybe there needs to a trigger/light bulb moment. What if something like Micro.blog takes off and starts getting a bit of attention.
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GWG
I hope it does
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GWG
For now, I just keep building
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[colinwalker]
Morning jeremycherfas :)
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[jeremycherfas]
Morning colinwalker And full agreement with you post ^^^ about understanding and implementing.
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snarfed
sknebel: which common crawl dataset? they explicitly say the months try to cover different URLs
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GWG
My project right now is improving Semantic Linkbacks mf2 implementation
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[jeremycherfas]
I got my invite and registered at micro.blog, which is picking up my Known feed just fine. Stll haven’t worked out how it will fit into my ecosystem. But it is early days.
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GWG
Good morning, snarfed
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sknebel
snarfed: I think the list I have is based on 2016-22
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sknebel
that's quite a difference according to your link
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sknebel
(but of course it is unclear if it
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sknebel
is just different urls, but same "distribution" between "types"
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[jeremycherfas]
Interesting. The link to my microblog pops up a phishing alert; ignore that, and you get through to it.
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pfefferle
good morning #indieweb
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[colinwalker]
Hey pfefferle
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[colinwalker]
Interesting - that's one word for it
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GWG
Hi, pfefferle
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[jeremycherfas]
Just my luck, having started to work on Independent Publisher original. Still, not too invested yet so easier to change now.
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pfefferle
so sad that they remove all of the mf2 stuff befor adding themes to the wordpress.com repo
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pfefferle
same with SemPress
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[colinwalker]
That sucks.
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[jeremycherfas]
I didn’t know that.
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[jeremycherfas]
Ah, for .com sites. Yeah, that is sad. I wonder why?
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[jeremycherfas]
But if I update for self-hosted they’ll still be there, right?
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pfefferle
I really have no idea...
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pfefferle
@jeremycherfas if they were implemented initially, yes :)
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GWG
pfefferle: Unrelated question, do you have any thoughts on storing additional mf2 data in Semantic Linkbacks?
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pfefferle
@jeremycherfas the actual WordPress.org version also seems to have no mf2...
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pfefferle
GWG I never really thought about that
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pfefferle
@jeremycherfas perhaps he only implemented it in the dev version on GitHub... no clue...
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GWG
pfefferle: I am looking at enhancing the mf2 code right now.
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GWG
pfefferle: Hoping to get some new options out of it.
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pfefferle
GWG shouldn't we start with fixing the interpreter first?
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GWG
pfefferle, that is what I am doing mostly.
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GWG
pfefferle: I intend to streamline the code, test the interpretation and support additional properties
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Happy anniversary, Chris, you are a continuing inspiration and role model for the #indieweb and long may it last!" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-26 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/happy-anniversary-chris-you-are-a-continuing-inspiration-and-role
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb adoption – how does a new way spread?" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-27 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ColinWalker/~3/9l7BqrZIQME/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb adoption — how does a new way spread?" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-27 https://medium.com/@colinwalker/indieweb-adoption-how-does-a-new-way-spread-a483208ee554?source=rss-a7aa408c8287------2
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pfefferle
GWG ok... I hope I will find some time on the weekend to start building the test-infrastructure
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GWG
pfefferle, my plans for a manual test may help the automated
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GWG
It is basically going to be a query variable that returns the information for a URL
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@kt3k
The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web". https://indieweb.org/ #dontech
(twitter.com/_/status/857559472545320961)
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@kt3k
IndieWeb = ソーシャルWeb と似たアイデアの別のプロジェクト #dontech
(twitter.com/_/status/857559817015001088)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb adoption – how does a new way spread?" on 2017-04-27 http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/ColinWalker/%7E3/9l7BqrZIQME/
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jaduncan[m]
A random question - if I want to remove an old domain from brid.gy, is there actually a way to do taht?
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snarfed
jaduncan[m]: remove it from your silo profile, then log into bridgy with that silo again
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snarfed
thanks for the nudge, will add to the docs
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[chrisaldrich]
!tell jeremycherfas: There are two versions of Independent Publisher, a wp.com and a wp.org; you DEFINITELY want the .org version which is FAR superior to the new wp version2 which came out yesterday
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich]
!tell jeremycherfas The IP WP.org version is very actively being developed, but it's just small bugs now as it's pretty complete. (It's definitely not abandoned if you're worried about that.)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich]
This was the accompanying article/interview that came out with the release of Independent Publisher 2 (the .com version) yesterday: https://en.blog.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/independent-publisher-2-is-here/. Sad that they stripped out all of the indieweb friendly parts.
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[jeremycherfas]
chrisaldrich Thanks. I have the org version, but not the git master. It's going well, though theme designers do, it seems to me, do things in quite complex ways.
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Loqi
[jeremycherfas]: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 7 minutes ago: There are two versions of Independent Publisher, a wp.com and a wp.org; you DEFINITELY want the .org version which is FAR superior to the new wp version2 which came out yesterday
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Loqi
[jeremycherfas]: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 6 minutes ago: The IP WP.org version is very actively being developed, but it's just small bugs now as it's pretty complete. (It's definitely not abandoned if you're worried about that.)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Comment on Excited to watch the beginning of the roll out of micro.blog by Ricardo Mendes" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-04-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/24/excited-to-watch-the-beginning-of-the-roll-out-of-micro-blog/#comment-34564
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[jeremycherfas]
I think I have cracked an override for some bit of styling and then it pops up again in the most unexpected places.
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miklb
my goal with my theme will be to have mf2 in the org theme repo
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Loqi
miklb: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 10 hours, 14 minutes ago: sounds good. I think I'll wait. Can always switch again, ha ha
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miklb
[jeremycherfas] I'll let you know when the initial files are checked in so you can take a look and see if it's something you'll want to use.
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[chrisaldrich]
The win for Raam Dev on Independent Publisher was that it was so beautiful and functional that Automattic forked it for the .com side. They don't typically do that often that I can tell.
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[jeremycherfas]
miklb Thanks.
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas you may want to star & watch miklb 's repo: https://github.com/miklb/permission
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Loqi
[miklb] permission: WordPress theme with IndieWeb support baked in. You have permission to free your content from silos.
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[chrisaldrich]
I still say that's one of the best names and tag lines out there...
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[jeremycherfas]
I pay very little attention to WP com, and having to sign in there is major friction for commenting on com sites. I don't even bother to do so from my own site.
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[jeremycherfas]
It is. I am.
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas You did finally get your homepage webmentions moved to a mentions page working the way you wanted? I've been working at revising that code snippet to make it a bit more automatic for others in the future.
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[jeremycherfas]
I did. And now all I have to do is delete some of your We mentions that come there in addition to the specific post.
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@sebastiangreger
Homebrew Website Club Berlin on break next week due to scheduling conflicts; returning to regular bi-weekly rhythm from Wed 17.5. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/857614787651436545)
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas Am I managing to send duplicates? (Or perhaps I send the original from my site to yours and you get the extras from POSSE copies on Twitter?)
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[jeremycherfas]
I think it is because you copy all of my content, which includes a link back to my home page.
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jaduncan[m]
snarfed: Thanks, and for the record brid.gy remains a source of awesome in a sometimes less awesome world.
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snarfed
aww thanks!
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@seometadaten
Do you love #WordPress and live near #PDX? Check out @indiewebcamp — their next meeting is 5/10! #IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club
(twitter.com/_/status/857629568399589376)
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[kevinmarks]
I wonder how small we could get the Indieweb logo https://github.com/edent/SuperTinySocialIcons
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Loqi
[edent] SuperTinySocialIcons: Under 1KB each! Super Tiny Social Icons are miniscule SVG versions of your favourite logos
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aaronpk
probably 300 bytes
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aaronpk
maybe a little less
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aaronpk
just upgraded stuff on the indieweb server. let me know if you see any weirdness.
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snarfed
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 496 karma in this channel (1301 overall)
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snarfed
#hugops
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skippy
i see weirdness with Firefox, aaronpk
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skippy
can't establish HTTPS connections.
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snarfed
me too :(
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skippy
curl: (52) Empty reply from server
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[kevinmarks]
hm, I'm seeing other weirdness
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aaronpk
odd, https://webmention.io/ looks fine to me in FF
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[kevinmarks]
but that may be the wifi I'm on, as noterlive isn't working either
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skippy
the wiki isn't working for me.
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aaronpk
well this is not a helpful error message
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skippy
yup. that's what I get. often indicates SSL misconfigurations.
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skippy
$ openssl s_client -connect indieweb.org:443
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skippy
verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
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skippy
CONNECTED(00000003)
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skippy
depth=1 /C=US/O=Let's Encrypt/CN=Let's Encrypt Authority X3
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skippy
verify return:0
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aaronpk
it's the same configuration as on webmention.io
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aaronpk
and https://indieweb.org/ looks fine in chrome
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aaronpk
openssl won't give you the right cert because it doesn't do SNI
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miklb
indieweb.org just hangs for me in Safari Tech Preview fwiw
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sknebel
my Firefox seems happy
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sknebel
Edge does get a connection and HTTP headers(!), but no response content
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snarfed
iirc openssl can do SNI with e.g. openssl s_client -servername indieweb.org -connect indieweb.org:443
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aaronpk
snarfed++ thanks
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Loqi
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aaronpk
skippy: does https://chat.indieweb.org/ work for you?
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skippy
yes, it does
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aaronpk
i'm stumped
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skippy
$ curl -vkH 'Host: indieweb.org' https://indieweb.org/indieauth.com
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skippy
* TCP_NODELAY set
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skippy
* Trying 173.230.155.197...
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skippy
* Connected to indieweb.org (173.230.155.197) port 443 (#0)
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skippy
* TLS 1.2 connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
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skippy
* Server certificate: atlas.p3k.io
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skippy
atlas.p3k.io ?
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skippy
$ openssl s_client -servername indieweb.org -connect indieweb.org:443
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skippy
verify return:0
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skippy
verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
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skippy
CONNECTED(00000003)
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skippy
depth=1 /C=US/O=Let's Encrypt/CN=Let's Encrypt Authority X3
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aaronpk
let's move to #indieweb-dev
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[kevinmarks]
hm. is noterlive working for anyone else?
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aaronpk
aha i fixed it
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aaronpk
permissions error on the nginx cache folder cause i changed the user it was running as
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skippy
confirmed. fixed.
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[colinwalker]
chrisaldrich Thanks for the shares etc. ?
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[chrisaldrich]
kevinmarks: noterlive seems okay to me
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[colinwalker]
Weird. Akismet keeps catching webmentions as spam even though I've got a function in functions.php to auto-approve them ?
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[chrisaldrich]
colinwalker: I've seen behavior that Akismet will mark something as spam, but it still passes into the approved queue
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[chrisaldrich]
colinwalker: it's on the wiki in a few places. Are you using this version? http://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy#Spam
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[colinwalker]
chrisaldrich I've had to un-spam and approve a couple. No, I don't use Bridgy- just the webmentions WP plugin
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[colinwalker]
Seeing as I don't have a comment form so webmentions is the only way I can receive comments I may test disabling akismet
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[chrisaldrich]
It doesn't really have anything to do with bridgy, though there was a time when bridgy webmentions were being put into spam. That code snippet should work regardless of bridgy use.
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[colinwalker]
gregorlove that's the code I'm using
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GWG
My test debugger is working. Yay
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gRegorLove
Ah, weird
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gRegorLove
Maybe something changed in Akismet plugin recently
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Loqi
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[colinwalker]
Maybe it's the same issue with mentions coming from known. If they're not detected properly as webmentions that code doesn't catch them.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've seen a handful of interesting quirks since the last WP update, so it's possible. I haven't seen it on my end in the last few days though.
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GWG
Now that I can output the response from Semantic Linkbacks without generating a comment, I can troubleshoot misclassified stuff.
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[colinwalker]
Seeing as Linkbacks returns just "mention" as the type for the ones it doesn't understand I may duplicate the un-spam and test with that
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gRegorLove
Sounds like somewhere the WP comment type is being confused with the type of webmention (reply, mention, like, etc.)
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sgreger
i've had that very same problem with akismet rating genuine webmentions (of reply type, from another indieweb site) into spam. the reason is that in the wp_comments table, the field comment_type for these these mentions is empty (as compared to e.g. bridgy webmentions that have comment type "webmention"
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Loqi
sgreger: sknebel left you a message on 2017-03-24 at 9:02pm UTC: have you published anything about the /facepile s on your posts (for like/reposts/...)? if yes, can you add it to /facepile?
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GWG
Reply gets turned into a standard comment
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sgreger
sknebel: a blog post about my facepiles is in the making ...as so many other things ;)
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sgreger
gwg: yes. and that is why then e.g. webmentions of type "reply" with a lot of links end up in the spam queue
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GWG
I know. But there is a reason
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sgreger
i was wondering about that. no doubt there is a good reason, but i couldn't figure it out
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GWG
So they'd display as comments.
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[colinwalker]
Thanks - gives me something else to look at.
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miklb
fwiw, here's my comments/comment_walker Frankenstein work in progress https://gist.github.com/miklb/4ba5ea34dc7ad8031afea9414d477bce
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KartikPrabhu
miklb: you should just call it Frankenstein ;)
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miklb
but that's giving me facepiles for likes/reposts and threaded comment/replies.
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miklb
KartikPrabhu indeed. It will get cleaned up for the public theme, but a lot of discussion about WP facepiles, so if it can help now, cool. If not, it's working code for me :-)
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KartikPrabhu
miklb: oh, I meant it as an actual name Frankenstein.php :P
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miklb
done! ?
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KartikPrabhu
lol! now you have a monster themed naming-convention like aaronpk has his steampunk
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[kevinmarks]
can you log inot noterlive?
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aaronpk
I just figured out the first thing to put on my /now page: https://aaronparecki.com/now/
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] I currently have tabs open in windows.
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: your quantified-self is getting out of control!
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aaronpk
you're right, i should be logging this over time
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KartikPrabhu
what have I done!
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gRegorLove
What, it doesn't update live based on your browser aaronpk? :D
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aaronpk
of course it does
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aaronpk
it just doesn't keep history yet
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aaronpk
every time i open or close a tab it updates :)
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gRegorLove
Hah, wow
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: yes I can log into noterlive using Twitter
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aaronpk
now it's logging to a database
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aaronpk
we'll see how fast that grows
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sknebel
now I miss the chrome extension again that I had that showed the tab count in an icon (it had another function, but in the end I only kept it for that number). Should make one for FF
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sknebel
especially since FF is even worse for loosing track of tabs, since it scrolls the tab bar ...
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: you should make a spakline of the log on that page
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aaronpk
haha yes
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Loqi
awesome
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Well put, Colin. A platform like Micro.blog has a great deal of potential to advance the adoption of IndieWeb building blocks like Micropub, IndieAuth," by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-27 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/well-put-colin-a-platform-like-microblog-has-a-great
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[kevinmarks]
I managed to log in, but then the tweets didn't send. I need to debug this but I am trying to livetweet
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miklb
aaronpk how are you getting your URL at the bottom of the notes on micro.blog?
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miklb
hmm. I see [cleverdevil] also has a url in notes…
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aaronpk
i'm not sure
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[chrisaldrich]
kevinmarks: noterlive was working for me and sending tweets; perhaps just a local connectivity issue for you?
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aaronpk
i think micro.blog adds it because it's pulling it in from my atom feed
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miklb
maybe not showing for me because I'm the user
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb: I don't see them on either your page or cleverdevil's the permalinks are wrapped on the post time below however...
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miklb
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[colinwalker]
miklb aaronpk Someone reported having a squarespace address in each post and manton said:
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[colinwalker]
"@mikhen It looks like Squarespace has their RSS feeds hosted at a different URL, which is confusing Micro.blog into think it's a linkblog. That's why it includes the domain name."
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[colinwalker]
So, something about the feed is tripping it up
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aaronpk
that makes sense. my Atom feed is on granary
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[manton]
Yep, I should have fixed pretty soon. It incorrectly looks at the hostname in the RSS feed URL instead of your site URL when deciding whether to include the extra link.
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[cleverdevil]
Generally speaking, I think if a post is on a self-hosted microblog, including a clear permalink to it (above and beyond clicking on the timestamp, which I find sort of obscured) is valuable.
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aaronpk
Interesting point
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[manton]
It always links the date to the self-hosted URL. It just doesn't add an extra link with the domain name, so that it looks a little cleaner.
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snarfed
hey [manton], while you're here, out of curiosity, what's the difference between e.g. http://manton.micro.blog/ and http://micro.blog/manton ? why do they have different posts?
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snarfed
(i assume other people's are similar)
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[chrisaldrich]
snarfed: it can seem odd, particularly as there can be mismatches like: http://t.micro.blog and http://micro.blog/t, but as tantek pointed out yesterday domain != username.
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[chrisaldrich]
The first is a hosted account, and the second is a users page. They'll only occasionally be the same.
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snarfed
yup, definitely confusing
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[chrisaldrich]
cognitivedissonance--
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Loqi
cognitivedissonance has -1 karma
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gRegorLove
Better question might be: what's the use-case for having subdomain and username separate?
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aaronpk
you can have a username without a subdomain
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gRegorLove
Tumblr is a similar model in that you get a subdomain, but you can also point a domain there. Doesn't have a separate username-page
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aaronpk
the username is more of a "reader" view onto whatever happens to power your blog
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aaronpk
for example mine is fed from my website, not a micro.blog hosted thing
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gRegorLove
So when you sign up, you get micro.blog/username only?
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aaronpk
i'm not sure about that since i signed up a long time ago
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aaronpk
back when it was snippets.today
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gRegorLove
Can you post directly to micro.blog/username?
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aaronpk
well, my replies live there, but new content does not
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gRegorLove
Just wondering what average user coming from Twitterland would experience. Sign up and start posting... where are those posts?
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aaronpk
well, *I* can't, but someone else can
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gRegorLove
should have backed the project so I could poke around :)
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[chrisaldrich]
welcome to #indieweb
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[chrisaldrich]
gRegorLove: I've been tempted to try just that for a few days to see what the experience is like
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[ianmjones]
Cheers chrisaldrich.
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KartikPrabhu
interesting. do slack users only show up on IRC once they post something?
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KartikPrabhu
oh ok. I was so confused whom [chrisaldrich] was welcoming. this happened at least thrice now
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[chrisaldrich]
ianmjones Let us know if there's anything we can help you with. A little birdie told me you're interested in https://indieweb.org/wordpress
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[chrisaldrich]
KartikPrabhu, I was wondering if you'd changed your name ?
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[chrisaldrich]
KartikPrabhu, I split my time between IRC/Slack, but have switched to Slack for that reason this week while spending some time in the micro.blog chats.
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[ianmjones]
chrisaldrich: Thanks, looks like I've got some reading to do! Will be sure to reach out if I have questions.
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gRegorLove
[chrisaldrich]: Try what?
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[chrisaldrich]
gRegorLove: pretending to be a regular Twitter user and signing up for a hosted micro.blog account rather than mapping my own site over.
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gRegorLove
Ahh. Think it's only backers currently. But once it's open, definitely curious to poke around.
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[chrisaldrich]
I backed it, so I'll be able to play around a bit. From what I've heard manton is planning on waiting about a month before opening it up wide to the general public.
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[chrisaldrich]
KartikPrabhu: one of the things I miss seeing in IRC is people entering/exiting to know who's lurking around; I should have assumed you'd just entered...
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gRegorLove
Cool. Is there a free tier? aaronpk's screenshot looks like there's subscription fees
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KartikPrabhu
[chrisaldrich]: yeah, which is also why I was confused :P
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[chrisaldrich]
I have gotten to the point though that I mentally keep many of the regulars' preferences for IRC/Slack and time zones in mind, as well as bothering to use !tell commands...
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[chrisaldrich]
It would be nice if the cross platform uses were a bit more bijective.
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KartikPrabhu
right !tell is nice, since if the person is around it still works
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skippy
is there a way to tell IRC from Slack users? I had no idea this was cross-pollinated between platforms.
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KartikPrabhu
skippy: the [] around the nicknames
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gRegorLove
skippy: There's Matrix.org integration too, the [m] after the nick. https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat
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@ianmjones
http://Micro.blog has re-kindled my interest in IndieWeb. Need to read up on current standards and how WordPress fits in.
(twitter.com/_/status/857710805143441411)
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[mko]
aaronpk: What code are you using to do the tab open/close update triggering? A custom chrome extension?
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aaronpk
[mko]: yep! it's really simple actually https://github.com/aaronpk/chrome-open-tabs
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Loqi
[aaronpk] chrome-open-tabs: Track your open Chrome tabs
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[mko]
Awesome. I'm in.
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aaronpk
haha i should make this into a little web app
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Loqi
nice
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aaronpk
2 other friends want it already too
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[mko]
That's remarkably simple.
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aaronpk
i hacked it up for https://kmikeym.com/now already
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[mko]
I guess I never realized how easy it was to write Chrome plugins.
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aaronpk
this is how geoloqi started, remember? :D
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[mko]
Very acutely aware. ?
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[mko]
Love your little hack projects. I wish I had more mindspace to do this kind of stuff more frequently for myself.
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[mko]
I barely have time to keep all my QS stuff running without it all crashing.
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aaronpk
haha i know the feeling
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