#indieweb 2017-05-02
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[kevinmarks] What are you posting to from own your swarm?
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[tamaracks] I got a response on Github. He said there is a token, and that the problem is probably that the Wordpress micropub endpoint doesn’t support accepting JSON. Which is a bummer. I am still curious why the log shown says “missing access token”, though.
# snarfed [tamaracks]: huh. i wrote the wordpress micropub server and it definitely supports json: https://micropub.rocks/implementation-reports/servers/27/Ouvg5VCJrclDWHUtQHXA
# [tamaracks] Thanks. I’ll reply with that info. ?
# [tamaracks] Oh. I don’t think so. I just set it all up, I installed from Wordpress.org.
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[chrisaldrich] Has anyone else tried ownyourswarm on WordPress recently? I tried a few weeks ago when aaronpk first unveiled it, but it was still a work in progress and wasn't quite working with WordPress. I haven't circled back to it since then.
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks There's also OwnYourCheckin too, which I think does work/connect, but doesn't always send all the metadata one might want for a WordPress install.
# [chrisaldrich] You might have to do some custom code to set your post-format and/or post kind and the photo support is sometimes iffy because it doesn't have the extra supporting code that aaron's put into the swarm version.
# [tamaracks] snarfed Wordpress admin says my plugin is version 1.1.
# [tamaracks] Will do.
# [tamaracks] snarfed The OwnYourSwarm dashboard shows me a response of the request attempt (when I click “Send Again” for the last checkin) as well as a Swarm Checkin Object and an h-entry Checkin Object. Which of those do you need?
# [tamaracks] Yeah, that’s why I’m trying to figure out now.
# [tamaracks] snarfed Thanks for your help. ? I submitted the issue.
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# [tamaracks] And thanks, chrisaldrich, for the info. ?
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks Do you have an Instagram account you're trying to own too?
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich I do have an instagram account, but I’ve barely posted to it in ages, so it hasn’t been at the top of my list for worrying about with indieweb.
# [tamaracks] I did see that there’s an OwnYourGram.
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich How do post kinds factor into Wordpress? I did install the plugin, and I see it adds the icon, but I guess my question is how does one best format what gets put into Wordpress?
# Auditoryprolifer Question: why does anyone need an instagram copy? Can't they just share photos in a sub-section of another social media application that just aggregates photos and their comments threads?
# [tamaracks] For instance, if I want to make a post to a link, with perhaps a small quote and a comment of my own, would that be a bookmark kind?
# [chrisaldrich] OwnYourGram works pretty well with WordPress, but I'd usually recommend DsgnWrks Instagram Importer as a WordPress specific solution with a lot more options and power for how your posts are imported and displayed.
# [tamaracks] Ah, good to know.
# [chrisaldrich] Post Kinds in some sense is a more powerful version of WordPress' Post Formats.
# [tamaracks] @Auditoryprolifer I think it’s about owning your data. If you bring it into your own web page and store it there, then it will remain even if the third party service changes things.
# [chrisaldrich] It lets you do things like create bookmark posts but automatically adds the proper microformats classes to those posts so that parsers and other tools can read them properly.
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich But different. ? It would be nice if one could link the two, although there isn’t always a one-to-one relationship, I’m sure.
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks GWG had done a pretty good job of trying to map Kinds to Formats, so the plugin will set the related version when you save/publish the first time, but you can always change them later if you prefer.
# [chrisaldrich] As an example, if you do a bookmark in kinds it will presume you mean to create a "link" format.
# [tamaracks] Okay. So how best do I put information into Wordpress? Just put text into the content field formatted as I’d like? For example, so far, I’ve made the content a block of Markdown that has a header of the linked page title linked to the URL, a block quote, and my comment following it. It seems to work, but wouldn’t allow for reformatting later.
# [tamaracks] But maybe that doesn’t really matter.
# [chrisaldrich] Do you have an example we could look at to clarify?
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich Hmm. Is that only for posting via the web? I was experimenting with using Workflow to format my text and send it to the Wordpress client, and I don’t believe that the post I entered that way ended up having any “kind” selected?
# Auditoryprolifer tamaracks I mean, why not make a platform that is open and decentralized that allows you to own your data and only view photos and related content?
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks It sounds like you'd have to add another piece to the workflow to assign a post kind to it.
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks I generally post using custom bookmarklets https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds#bookmarklet-configuration
# [chrisaldrich] @Auditoryprolifer I quite enjoy using the Instagram mobile app and interface as something that I probably wouldn't build myself, but still want to own the content.
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich The post looks fine. And either the link post format or bookmark post kind in combination with my theme (SenPress) leaves off the post title, which is fine because that achieves my desired goal of having the top of the post be the title of the page with a links to the page.
# [chrisaldrich] @Auditoryprolifer Also, there aren't a lot of methods to post to Instagram via POSSE given their API, so it's usually easier to do a /PESOS workflow there.
# [tamaracks] But part of me wonders ‘what if I want to arrange link posts differently in the future?’ It’s just a block of text in the content field of Wordpress, so that wouldn’t be easy. But maybe that shouldn’t really be a goal.
# [tamaracks] And keeping it simple would make it easier to transition from Wordpress to something else in the future.
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks I'm pretty sure that Post Kinds is pre-pending your content to the front of the_content(), so moving to something else shouldn't be too difficult from an export perspective.
# [tamaracks] Right. It’s a question of whether I want the content to be 1 block of text or to use like custom fields to separate out pieces like the URL so they could be rearranged later. But that makes theming a lot more complicated.
# [tamaracks] miklb Something that could assemble the content before it was passed to the theme?
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks I'm also a big fan of Post Kinds because you can use the "Retrieve" button to pull in the metadata from the URL of the page you're targeting to provide post context.
# [chrisaldrich] Then you can add your commentary to whichever kind in the main body of your post.
# [tamaracks] Oh, is that where that that part of the post page comes from?
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# [tamaracks] Sorry if I’m being unclear. It’s been a while since I’ve used Wordpress, and I’m trying to figure out all these plugins at once.
# Auditoryprolifer chrisaldrich makes senes, it is fun
# Auditoryprolifer chrisaldrich *makes
# [tamaracks] And I guess I was hoping to automate posting outside of the Wordpress web interface. But maybe that isn’t feasible to work with the plugins.
# [chrisaldrich] The other easy option in WordPress that you could try out instead of using Post Kinds is to use the IndieWeb Press This bookmarklets (in the "tools" tab of the admin UI if you're using the Indieweb Plugin).
# [tamaracks] miklb That would be cool. I guess I’m not sure how it’s supposed to work in order to do that, though.
# [tamaracks] And trying the Retrieve button on the URL in the post above is erroring out, heh.
# [tamaracks] Ah ha.
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# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich My goal was trying to stay away from interacting with web page at all, bookmarklet or no. But that may not be possible.
# [tamaracks] miklb The link in that post to the page about the Downy commercial I was writing about.
# [chrisaldrich] for a few things there are ways to stay away from the posting UI, but you're a little stuck for most at the minute
# [chrisaldrich] I'm hoping that micropub and micropub clients will begin helping to do a lot more of the posting work, but we're still early days.
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich I just don’t trust using iOS Safari because it can reload the page if I leave to go do something else and don’t come back right away.
# [tamaracks] @GWG ain’t that the truth ? I mean no offense, I’m just trying to figure out what everything is expected to do right now.
# [chrisaldrich] It can help to take a look at the Indieweb examples within the wiki to see how others are doing things and use that as a way to see what you'd like to do and how best to potentially do it.
# [tamaracks] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F56GBUNJU/screen_shot_2017-05-01_at_09.38.52_pm.png?pub_secret=6820a629bc&name=Screen Shot 2017-05-01 at 09.38.52 PM.png Just this. This is in Chrome (because I’m using epichrome to create site-specific browsers for things like blogging to keep some kind of order to the chaos I’m generating with the number of tabs I’ve got about these topics).
# [chrisaldrich] Post Kinds Plugin is probably one of the more complicated pieces to figure out how to fit into how you post. I recommend starting off with just one or two types and expand as you need them.
# [tamaracks] I’ve pretty much been focusing on article, note, and bookmark.
# [chrisaldrich] Another good way to start is to look at the pages for those and see how they're marked up.
# [chrisaldrich] What is a bookmark?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
# [chrisaldrich] Then you can use the traditional UI methods to do your mark up by hand for a while to see what's happening and how it's done.
# [chrisaldrich] manualuntilithurts++
# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich That’s what I started doing, so I can continue that way for now. ?
# [chrisaldrich] This will often help you to better understand what is happening when things get automated by plugins later on
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks have you added yourself to the wiki yet or started a list of itches? That's another good way to lay things out and handle them one at a time.
# [chrisaldrich] What is an itch?
# Loqi Itches, in the context of the indieweb, are individuals's personal sources of annoyances using the web or in particular their own website, that they use to itemize and prioritize what to create, design, build, and improve on their own website, often by first listing such "itches" on a section in their User: https://indieweb.org/itch
# [tamaracks] I signed in to the Wiki. Is that what you mean by adding myself?
# [chrisaldrich] Signing in to the wiki is the first part, then you can add a user page: http://indieweb.org/wikify#Wikify_yourself
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks Another thing to remember is a lot of these techniques evolved over the last 3-4 or more years and trying to do everything in 2 days is a lot to absorb ?
# [tamaracks] Yes, that is true.
# [chrisaldrich] I remember when I started that the indieweb examples really helped alot, particularly seeing how people did things (and often documented them)
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# [tamaracks] chrisaldrich What is the bookmarklet with the indieweb plugin supposed to look like?
# [chrisaldrich] It's a browser bookmarklet with javascript that takes the page you're on and autocreates part of the post
# [tamaracks] If “<a class=‘u-in-reply-to’ href=‘…” shows up in the post content area, does that mean it’s working?
# [chrisaldrich] That's looks like the one for a reply...
# [chrisaldrich] You should find them at https://www.darkglass.org/wp-admin/tools.php under IndieWeb bookmarklets.
# [chrisaldrich] There are reply, like, repost, and rsvp.
# [tamaracks] Ah ha! That’s the confusion. Didn’t look far enough down the tools page.
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect you could modify the underlying code to create a bookmark specific one: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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# [tamaracks] That is one thing I forgot about Wordpress: how plugins can inject settings all over the place.
# [tamaracks] Yep. It’s like an easter egg hunt.
# [tamaracks] hehe
# [tamaracks] No worries. ?
# [chrisaldrich] GWG++ for powering through
# [chrisaldrich] One of the things I found useful early on were some techniques for posting from mobile (in combination with some of those bookmarklets): http://indieweb.org/Posting_from_mobile_devices
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: On the topic of Post Kinds, there are many using WordPress with micro.blog who are looking for something to make posting notes easier.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: One of the specifics they're searching for is the ability to have a custom RSS feed for notes that doesn't include a <title>.
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect you could tweak a line of code to excise that and make it the perfect solution for many of them.
# [tamaracks] Workflow on iOS can do a lot of cool stuff with parsing web sites. The question becomes how to get it to the destination. I see it’s mentioned at the end of that indieweb page, and I knew Workflow could create POST requests. But I will need to figure out what and how info can be sent via POST.
# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks I saw someone working on a Workflow for micro.blog in the micro.blog Slack. Not sure how far they got.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Workflow?
# Loqi Workflow is an iOS app used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Workflow
# [tamaracks] It is an awesome app that lets you connect all sorts of things together on iOS. ? Kind of like ifttt on steroids.
# [chrisaldrich] miklb: yeah, I think it's exactly that. I created one from scratch myself, but have yet to actually plug it in and use it for the micro.blog set up since I'm experimenting with other things at the moment
# [tamaracks] I saw that workflow also. I’d guess it would be similar, but would be focused on note posts, so might require some more research on what else can be sent.
# [chrisaldrich] miklb: I'm not sure if anyone's tried that
# [chrisaldrich] I don't think many/any are using post kinds yet
# [chrisaldrich] miklb: do your notes have titles in them or are they blank?
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miklb [chrisaldrich] https://miklb.com/1622-2/
# Loqi [Michael Bishop] I’m sure there’s a good reason, but curious why USG framework Federalist isn’t open source https://federalist.fr.cloud.gov
# [chrisaldrich] miklb: that's why it works. I think most want to include some title to differentiate posts with the admin UI but micro.blog takes the titles with permalinks instead of the status update.
# [tamaracks] My problem with leaving out titles in Wordpress is it makes permalinks and the Admin UI messy.
# [chrisaldrich] miklb, exactly
# [chrisaldrich] I think a few have taken shots at it and more are considering something. I thought it might be more useful if something like Post Kinds did it out of the box and offered a lot more functionality along the way.
# [chrisaldrich] miklb, that is some of it too certainly!
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# [tamaracks] miklb You don’t find it annoying that the titleless posts are listed by post number in the admin?
# [tamaracks] Just curious. ?
# [tamaracks] Yeah
# [tamaracks] To me, it’s hard to read and find my posts that way. But to each his own.
# [chrisaldrich] #WWTD? "What's the problem you're trying to solve?" ?
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# [chrisaldrich] I think sometimes, its breaking old (possibly bad) habits of wordpress use to find what you're looking for... we've all been trained to use titles.
# [chrisaldrich] Titles in WordPress are also pretty useful for things like SEO and other web searches too...
# [chrisaldrich] lol!
# [chrisaldrich] and yes, there is that...
# [chrisaldrich] I'll agree with that!
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# [chrisaldrich] I'm going to go bohemian then and just go title-less on my notes then and see how it feels.
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# Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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gRegorLove I question how much impact it makes having a post without a title in <h1>, versus just the text of the note in a <p>
# gRegorLove My note permalinks now put the plaintext version in the <title>, which is probably more SEO than <h1>.
# gRegorLove tantek's been doing that for a while; that's where I borrowed the idea from.
# [chrisaldrich] gRegorLove, are you putting titles on them in RSS feeds? I have found that most seem to and it looks wonky in most readers.
# gRegorLove I use Granary to generate Atom from my h-feed, so the plain text is the title there too
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# [chrisaldrich] hmmm...
# gRegorLove And yeah, for longer notes it looks weird in readers. I've noticed that with tantek's atom feed.
# gRegorLove Duplicate content, basically.
# gRegorLove Can't seem to find it on the wiki or tantek.com, but I think his reasoning for that was to maybe nudge readers to handling them better, or handling h-feed directly.
# miklb looks like since 4.4 you can filter the title that's used in the feed. https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/functions/wp_get_document_title/ That's good to know. That also assumes the theme is using `add_theme_support( 'title-tag' );`
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "I like the idea of the shared stories here. In some sense, it's part of the power of the indieweb wiki pages which conglomerate examples" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-02 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/i-like-the-idea-of-the-shared-stories-here-in
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[jeremycherfas] !tell tamaracks I know people have built cool workflows to post to other social silos such as pnut.io and 10centuries.org
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# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks++ for creating User page on wiki
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# [jeremycherfas] Hello jemostrom
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# [jemostrom] jeremycherfas: Hi
# [jeremycherfas] It’s very quiet here before the USA wakes up. I am in Italym, same time zone as you, I guess.
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ben_thatmustbeme is online right now
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# [jeremycherfas] It has been VERY quiet today.
# [jeremycherfas] It has been VERY quiet today
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# ben_thatmustbeme heh
# ben_thatmustbeme sorry, i'm a bit burned out after all the work i have been doing on writing the new ruby mf2 parser
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# adactio Send links this way... https://twitter.com/swissmiss/status/859397269447204864
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@swissmiss Searching for articles on why people should care about self-hosting their content and not post on platforms like Facebook or Medium. Help? (twitter.com/_/status/859397269447204864)
# [jemostrom] Yep, but the US should be awake be now ?
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# [jemostrom] I’m trying to understand Indieweb but find it difficult to find an “overview” of how it works, etc. I’ve been looking at the documents I’ve found (so far) but I’m not finding it. I’ve looked at indieweb.org but so far I see bits and pieces of the whole thing but I’m probably looking in the wrong place. Does anyone have a recommendation for some suitable documentation/overview/demos? (I’m currently looking at some of the videos
# [jemostrom] haven’t found that overview thing yet)
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singpolyma [jemostrom]: I think the "overview" is: have a domain, do your publishing there
# singpolyma everything else is "related work"
# [jeremycherfas] Other people will be more able to comment, but the crucial part is that there is no single prescribed way of doing anything, except, as @singpolyma has said, to own your domain and publish from there.
# [jeremycherfas] Even that is suspect though, for example in the case of Instagram, where the silo has such an attractive UX, that many people prefer to publish there and bring it back to their own site.
# [jeremycherfas] There are lots of different approaches and paths that you can take.
# [jeremycherfas] Maybe a first question would be: what are you trying to do?
# singpolyma [jeremycherfas]: right, as long as the content ends up on your own domain, it can probably count
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# [jemostrom] I’m trying the tools, how they work together, how they work when used. I mean I can create a subdomain to my main domain, install WP, add a few plugins and import content from Twitter/Instagram/Facebook within an hour. But that’s just an archive site. As I understand it the main idea is that I should be able to have a conversation with other people and have that conversation show up on my site as well as some other sites. But I have difficul
# [jemostrom] about what can be done, how it’s done, etc. I’m trying to understand a) what can be done, b) how much work it is to get it to work reliable … before actually installing stuff (yep, I’m the one person who reads the manual before launching the program … at least the “this is what can be done section” ?)
# [jemostrom] “I’m trying to understand the tools …”
# singpolyma [jemostrom]: for the sort of thing your describe, brid.gy is probably the primary tool of interest. they have a good FAQ. there are wordpress plugins, or stuff for other platforms, to work with them
# [jeremycherfas] I’d agree with both Skippy and Singpolyma. You don’t have to facilitate conversations, and if you do, brid.gy is your friend. WP may be a good choice, although Known is even quicker to set up.
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Ownership and control: how much do we really have?" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-02 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ColinWalker/~3/CFK-UREAuIY/
# [jemostrom] I have no idea ? … I’m trying to understand what is different from what I’ve done so far myself (without knowing anything about Indieweb)
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# [tamaracks] Yes, I think that is a bit of what keeps tripping me up. ?
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# snarfed a bunch of us did a similar round of posts a while back! e.g. https://snarfed.org/2012-07-25_why_i_have_my_own_web_site
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[colinwalker] I've spread a few thoughts over different posts recently but it mainly boils down to identity and having stuff linked to "me" rather than a social aspect of me.
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# [colinwalker] Yeah. There's a parallel conversation in the micro.blog slack asking what you need to make WordPress work with it but it's gotten bogged down with a lot of specific indieweb tools and jargon.
# [colinwalker] Yes, there's elements to consider but are they all actually needed! No.
# Loqi "You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix
Whatever the reason, you're done with sharecropping your content, your identity, and your self.
Our online content and identities are becoming more important and sometimes even critical to our lives. Neither are secure in the hands of random ephemeral startups or big silos. We should be the holders of our online presence https://indieweb.org/why
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# snarfed1 (also i'm sure everyone already knows it's there, but just in case, https://indieweb.org/why )
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@SwiftOnSecurity ProTip to kids: Always operate under multiple aliases. Your email should not be your gamertag. You WILL need to burn them eventually. (twitter.com/_/status/859175019791998977)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Ownership and control: how much do we really have?" on 2017-05-02 http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/ColinWalker/%7E3/CFK-UREAuIY/
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[eddie] One thing about the IndieWeb is that you get to customize things to your own liking. Example: inspired by aaronpk’s ate/drank posts, I track that same stuff, but I added a switch statement so that when certain foods/drinks are ate/drankI add in custom icons that make me happy when I see them. Like the Starbucks hot coffee cup when I drank a “Cafe Mocha”, like so: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/05/02/3/drank/
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# Loqi Food is a post type that represents eating or drinking particular food or drink https://indieweb.org/drink
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[cleverdevil] Ah, cool!
# [cleverdevil] I will
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# [kevinmarks] So medium sends webmentions, but doesn't do mf2 markup so they look wrong
# [kevinmarks] See top one at http://www.kevinmarks.com/socialresponsibility.html
# [cleverdevil] eddie my Activity feed shows checkins, food/drink, and "watching" records.
# [cleverdevil] eddie my Timeline feed shows bookmarked pages and status updates, including reposts and likes.
# [cleverdevil] Correct.
# [cleverdevil] My front page shows long form posts, photos, recipes, reviews, etc.
# [cleverdevil] Still not sure I have it all right, yet.
# [cleverdevil] I definitely don't want *everything* on my front page.
# [cleverdevil] But, not sure I like my own segmentation.
# [cleverdevil] Will likely continue to tweak over time ?
# [eddie] Makes sense ? I have a “featured” attribute for my front page, a /social which is EVERYTHING on my website. And due to some jekyll issues is literally everything I’ve ever done on my site on ONE page. lol it’s really horrible and needs to be fixed but the time effort isn’t worth fixing until I shift away from Jekyll (next project after Indigenous). I also have some sub-feeds linked to from /social to topic areas: /article /video /likes
# [kevinmarks] They have an atom equivalent for each page
# [kevinmarks] And an amphtml one. Maybe they could ass mf2 to the amp one and we with that.
# [kevinmarks] S/we/webmention/
# snarfed1 [kevinmarks]: you mean bridgy can send webmentions for medium, not that medium sends them natively, right?
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# gRegorLove schmarty: Twitter is probably easiest way to reach him
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# [chrisaldrich] snarfed1, kevinmarks: Yes, let's back this up! That was really an actual native webmention from Medium?!!
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# gRegorLove I imagine he'd be amenable to giving someone else commit access to the repos.
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# snarfed1 [chrisaldrich]: KevinMarks_'s medium is signed up for bridgy, https://brid.gy/medium/@kevinmarks , so no, medium isn't sending native webmentions afaik
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# [kevinmarks] aha, it is bridgy. my mistake
# [chrisaldrich] For a minute, I thought the internet was going to break... ?
# [kevinmarks] I thought Ben might have sneaked it in.
# [chrisaldrich] That would have been a fantastic parting gift to have snuck in....
# [kevinmarks] hm. looks like the atom and AMP versions aren't linked any more
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# [kevinmarks] no per page atom?
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cweiske my php-src phar::webPhar() patch for additional HTTP method support has been accepted in PHP 7.0 - http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=commit;h=c0c08719117ee6116073a2c65a6840213403e65b
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# miklb cweiske this is what I'm doing currently, and will have some version of in the theme I'm working on https://gist.github.com/miklb/4ba5ea34dc7ad8031afea9414d477bce
# Loqi David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indieweb.org/User:David.shanske.com
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# [tamaracks] So where does the handle GWG come from? ?
# [tamaracks] Ah ha ?
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# [chrisaldrich] and the last G was for "G-d"? ?
# [tamaracks] I like that word. It just has a nice ring to it.
# [tamaracks] Ah, AOL. I did not retain the name I started with there.
# [tamaracks] I have been tamaracks everywhere possible for a long time. Usually, it’s not *too* hard. Except eBay, for some reason I have to add a number there.
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# [tamaracks] I have a sneaking suspicion that I did have just tamaracks on ebay once and lost the account somehow. But maybe not.
# [tamaracks] cweiske Me too!
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# [tamaracks] So Semantic Linkbacks has to do with formatting the mentions that people send to your site, yes?
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# [tamaracks] How do you guys pronounce POSSE? Like the word ‘posse’?
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KartikPrabhu yes
# [tamaracks] ?
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# [chrisaldrich] tamaracks: If this helps with remembering the jargon: http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/06/a-secondary-meaning-for-posse/
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# [tamaracks] Cute. ? It might help! I have to leave for a long drive home from a trip, but I’ll read it again when I get home. Although part of my trouble is that my brain mixes up things that it thinks look similar, like POSSE and PESOS (and to a degree POSH). I’ll get it straight eventually.
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "7 years ago today:
First thoughts on #microformats2 @ #fooeast tantek.com/2010/122/t2/microformats-2-simpler-publishing-parsing
Now used in posts, comments, likes, reposts, and other responses^1 federated via Webmentions^2 across 10k+ sites, dozens of implementations.
FOO East session:
* microformats.org/wiki/events/2010-05-02-microformats-2-0
microformats2 parsing spec:
* microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
^1 IndieWeb responses:
* https://indieweb.org/responses
^2 Webmention standard:
* https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/" on 2017-05-02 http://tantek.com/2017/122/t1/years-ago-microformats2-fooeast
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tantek heads-up everyone in SF - despite no indie event posted (yet, or FB copy), HWC SF is a *go* @MozSF tomorrow night 17:30 per usual schedule! Please RSVP: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-03-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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