#indieweb 2017-05-04

2017-05-04 UTC
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miklb that WP security issue was fixed in 4.7.1, current is 4.7.4 and was I'm pretty sure any php project using phpsendmail would have been vulnerable.
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[kevinmarks] the ?_escaped_fragment_=topic/gmail/be-_mLk_aOk is how google handles hashbangs serverside
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[kevinmarks] I assume you got that by having noscript on
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[kevinmarks] so you get an html version, whereas https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/be-_mLk_aOk is the js;dr one
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tantek good evening #indieweb!
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tantek HWC SF here with two of us so far, me and EJ
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[kevinmarks] Wave to EJ
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GWG Hello, SF
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: no one uses Wave anymore! ;)
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[kevinmarks] I blame GWT
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tantek KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 140 karma in this channel (144 overall)
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KartikPrabhu i figured it was dump on Google day
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tantek alright it's too nice outdoors, so if anyone asks where's HWC SF, tell them it's outside and to speak-up here in the channel
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Centralized publishing" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-05-04 https://srikanthperinkulam.com/2017/05/03/centralized-publishing/
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gRegorLove Good evening, indieweb
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sknebel good morning!
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wagle any wordpress fans have multisite working for completely different domains?
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wagle altrnatively, any non-finicky blog servers out there now that do this?
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wagle someone here was really hoping i'd stick with wordpress, but my resolve is weakening
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miklb wagle I have a fair amount of experience with multisite if I can be of any assistance
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wagle miklb: can i do foo.io and baz.org?
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miklb wagle you should. I haven't had to do that in a long time, but when I did, I used the domain mapping plugin
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wagle i falling asleep, will be back later 8//
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miklb but seems that plugin was deprecated in 4.4
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wagle oic
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miklb https://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Multisite_Domain_Mapping
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miklb wagle I'll be around
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tantek_ KartikPrabhu yes, readability. Space not T. Time with colon(s). TZ offset without.
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ben_thatmustbeme Huh? Missed the context about the date /tz comment there
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tantek_ https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-05-04/1493862815489000
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Loqi [KartikPrabhu] anyone have good reasons for using some particular format for date times? particularly 1) use "T" or "<space>" to separate date from time and 2) use "+HH:MM" or "+HHMM" for timezone?
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KartikPrabhu tantek_: why time with colon(s) and TZ offset without?
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KartikPrabhu i mean they are both hours and minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme to make it clear its TZinfo and not an actual time
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ben_thatmustbeme at least that was the logic i saw on the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme This is something I have been looking to get figured out for the mf test suite as its really inconsistant
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KartikPrabhu it is an actual time though
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KartikPrabhu I mean no one says 3.45+0,45
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KartikPrabhu mixing the English and French for decimal points
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KartikPrabhu iso format uses T and colon in timezone
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ben_thatmustbeme markup may dictate you have to split things up, so just "+10:30" can be logically confused with 10:30 am unless a person knows about TZ encodings
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ben_thatmustbeme not that +1030 is great either really
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ben_thatmustbeme plays devils advocate as I'm not totally convinced one way or the other
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ben_thatmustbeme the not having T as an option is definitely important as you can't always encode things in a single spot
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ben_thatmustbeme s/spot/string/
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KartikPrabhu I am not convinced either, I sort of want some reason to pick one :P
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ben_thatmustbeme because of layout. ISO standard didn't have to worry about things like that
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KartikPrabhu it all seems random
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KartikPrabhu this is to go in the datetime property so not worried about "separating"
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ben_thatmustbeme i mean, I think its fine doing either in that case, its going to be parsable by software either way, but space instead of T is more humanly readable. Not sure without the colon is though
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ben_thatmustbeme in any case, i need sleep
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KartikPrabhu night
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KartikPrabhu decides to stick with iso for now
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wagle miklb: you still out there?
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sknebel What time is it for miklb?
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Loqi In miklb's timezone, America/New_York, it is currently 4:41am on May 4
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wagle hahaha
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Loqi nice
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wagle that'll be a no
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sknebel presumably
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wagle thanks
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[kevinmarks] What time is it for kevinmarks?
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Loqi In kevinmarks's timezone, US/Pacific, it is currently 2:03am on May 4
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[kevinmarks] Hm. Do I need to add a timezone somewhere?
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sknebel [kevinmarks]: on /irc-people
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: /irc-people most likely
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[kevinmarks] What time is it for kevinmarks?
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Loqi In kevinmarks's timezone, Europe/London, it is currently 10:06am on May 4
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[kevinmarks] Give I went to bed at 3am bst my personal timezone may be somewhat different.
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sknebel Sounds like the first use case for publishing your sleep tracking that I've seen...
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sknebel Loqi, when did aaronpk go to bed?
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wagle its 2:10 for aaronpk
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wagle for me too, but eh
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-idea-of-for-a-group-was-that-it-was
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] The idea of # for a group was that it was easy to type. Now emoji are easier than punctuation for most people. ? or ? as group marker?
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skippy !tell wagle I've done multi-site WP using unique domains. feel free to PM or email me.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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skippy tim bray has a good post related to the recent "why do you blog / indieweb?": https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2017/05/03/Blogging-in-2017
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skippy dunno how aware tim is of #indieweb.
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petermolnar I have session proposal for the brighton iwc already... "you went full indie... never go full indie a.k.a when you do too many of the underlying infrastructure you'll forget to produce content"
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cweiske "pick your battles"
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Loqi cweiske: tantek left you a message 19 hours, 28 minutes ago: since your indieweb chat search indexes WebSub notified feeds, have you considered indexing (perhaps separate index?) WebSub notified indieweb sites?
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petermolnar cweiske my question is more on the how to decide which battle to pick...
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cweiske that's one of the big questions in life, yes
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petermolnar to be honest running my own mail/filesync/web/contact/calendar/whatever server safely + writing my own blogengine seems to be a bit of an overkill besides a 9-5 job
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cweiske I have the same problem
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cweiske music player told me the answer right now: sugababes / whatever makes you happy
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petermolnar lol :D
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ben_thatmustbeme lol, petermolnar, i like the title for that session
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petermolnar well... securing a mailserver doesn't make me happy, having my own mailserver does...
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petermolnar I have a vast amount of photos waiting to be tagged and added a few lines of content (thank god I don't do retouching) and it's still on my wait list becase I need to do a server migration
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petermolnar and for the initial install debian on zfs via remote ssh rescue system took me a good few days :/
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cweiske I want a managed server with all the options I have when self-hosting
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sknebel hire a sysadmin
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sknebel just not quite the pricepoint most of us have in mind...
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cweiske yep
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petermolnar https://indie.host/ is for this specifically, is it not?
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar or it used to be...
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cweiske "1 email"
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cweiske ha
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sknebel was it last IWC brighton where jeremy started with "don't write your own CMS" and then most people introduced themselves with "hi, I'm X. I have written my own blog engine"...
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cweiske and even the 50gib storage isn't enough
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petermolnar 50GB storage /me looking at his 2 2x3TB servers
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cweiske and then I can't use my typo3 and custom php app installations
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cweiske and don't have my dyndns service
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cweiske and all that other shit I have like elasticsearch
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petermolnar "don't write your own CMS" right, but sometimes writing a plugin to a cms takes more effort than writing a CMS...
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petermolnar which is why I am here
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sknebel yeah. at least I know the idiosyncrasies of my own system...
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petermolnar I've tried using some of the python based solutions but they all failed on doing one or another feature I wanted
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petermolnar some of them even failed to parse my markdown
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skippy either work to fit all your need within the offerings of a CMS; or mangle the CMS with plugins you create to do what you want; or write your own solution from the ground up. all three choices suck in different ways.
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petermolnar sure, but there is a difference between 1/2 vs 3: with 1/2 you can revert and still have - in theory - something functional which at lest lest you post
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petermolnar with 3, if you screw it, it's gone
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skippy thats what backups are for!
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petermolnar and version controlling, sure, but it's never this trivial
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I've followed Tim Bray via RSS for what seems like forever. And I'm glad he's committed to keep going. I wonder, though, whether he'll see" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-05-04 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/ive-followed-tim-bray-via-rss-for-what-seems-like
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 21 hours, 14 minutes ago: Can I get the list of private registrations?
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Loqi morning!
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sknebel good morning!
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skippy aloha
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aaronpk catching up on 2 days of logs :)
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snarfed eh just declare irc bankruptcy :P
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aaronpk did I miss anything exciting?
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Loqi misses anything exciting too
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ben_thatmustbeme me, i'm exiting, you missed me
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome, ben_thatmustbeme
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[eddie] I don’t think so, it’s been pretty quiet the last couple of days
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sknebel aaronpk: people asked about IWS venue
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[eddie] oh yeah, good catch sknebel
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aaronpk ah yes i'm still waiting for confirmation. going to try pinging again today
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schmarty oh yeah! any updates on IWS venue would be welcome
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cweiske !tell tantek - no, I don't want to provide a generic indieweb search engine.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Getting plugged in – part one" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-04 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ColinWalker/~3/vjlxHowEjZ0/
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[gregorlove] Good morning from IndieWebCamp Bellingham
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wagle skippy: I seem to have it doing multiple domains.. wotta kludgefest
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Loqi wagle: skippy left you a message 3 hours, 27 minutes ago: I've done multi-site WP using unique domains. feel free to PM or email me.
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wagle now its the cae that the doc for setting up ssl/letsencrypt dont work
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wagle now its the case that the docs for setting up ssl/letsencrypt dont work
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Ownership and control: how much do we really have?" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-02 https://medium.com/@colinwalker/ownership-and-control-how-much-do-we-really-have-ed7e47a9eda6?source=rss-a7aa408c8287------2
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wagle did he bitnam thing, which does apache config completely different
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wagle bitnami
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Getting plugged in — part one" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-04 https://medium.com/@colinwalker/getting-plugged-in-part-one-46b3aa8d5820?source=rss------php-5
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[colinwalker] WebSub/PubSubHubbub fatal error https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F58Q6EP4J/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=8732eed295&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg Hmm, don't think this is supposed to happen. Issue logged.
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[gregorlove] Note for IWC event pages: need to add a "contact" section with links to /discuss and other options.
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[gregorlove] Someone had difficulty contacting us, ended up emailing aaronpk and setting up a Twitter account to reach Salt and myself.
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aaronpk wow really? I didn't even get that email
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Salt we are broadcasting here: https://talky.io/IWCBham
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[gregorlove] Let us know if audio is ok ^
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miklb [gregorlove] ?
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[gregorlove] Thanks!
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[gregorlove] Muting until we start.
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[gregorlove] If you join, mute your audio por favor ?
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[gregorlove] One mutes video and one audio iirc
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[eddie] Strange, there are multiple mute buttons in this interface… is one to “mute” the speaker and one to “mute” your microphone?
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wagle anyone use bitnami's multisite wordpress thing?
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wagle i gt multisite to work on http, but the docs for https are .. ah .. "fictional"
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wagle got
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skippy wagle: i used Caddy.
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skippy wagle: https://skippy.net/caddy-docker-php-wordpress/
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Loqi Caddy, Docker, PHP, and WordPress
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miklb hmm. talk.io is a bit of resource hog
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miklb ~80% of CPU
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wagle skippy: interesting (reading)
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skippy but i can try to lend a hand with Apache configs, if you want to post yours somewhere. No promise, but i can try!
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[gregorlove] Afraid the other option of Hangouts won't be much better, heh
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wagle bitnami rolls their own mess, and smears it everywhere
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miklb [gregorlove] no worries
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miklb I'll just grab a lap desk
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[gregorlove] We'll probably get started here in about 10 minutes.
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb!
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[gregorlove] 10AM Pacific
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[cleverdevil] WordPress multisite is pretty complex. We've got one of the foremost experts on it working for us at DreamHost, though, if you run into trouble. I can always ask her advice!
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skippy the new domain mapping works great. no plugin necessary. it's been a long time coming.
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wagle [cleverdevil]: cool.. my current issue is that the letencrypt wp plugin is 8 months old, and appears not to work
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miklb skippy I saw that in the docs last night. Come a long way since MU
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skippy wow. it was twelve years ago that I wrote my vhost plugin for WordPress: https://skippy.net/plugin-vhost/ that bound a vhost to a category, long before multi-site was a thing.
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Loqi Plugin: Vhost
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[joemcl] yo
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wagle if i'm on a dedicated DO droplet, why use docker? (expect an answer that will surprise me)
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skippy i chose docker so that i can upgrade PHP without relying on the host distribution's PHP. that's ..
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skippy that's all. if you are comfortable with the host's PHP, use that. no harm.
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ben_thatmustbeme you need to run docker in a vagrant instance on a digital ocen droplem
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wagle ah! makes sense.. I was able to get php 7, but i dont know what I'm doing with respect to php, other than I want the fastcgi
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ben_thatmustbeme adding more layers makes it better
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skippy there's more than one way to do it.
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wagle sure
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skippy my way scratched my itches. you likely have different itches.
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wagle I was just looking for a good reason to use docker
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skippy i wanted to gain some hands-on operational experience with docker.
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wagle i know that
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skippy and i've had trouble upgrading droplets across Ubuntu versions with major PHP changes. going from apache mod_php to php-fp was hard.
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skippy so yanking all of php out into its own thing gave me some value.
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skippy it also allows me to use the same build process for my Fedora server and my Ubuntu server.
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wagle how do apache .htaccess file translate into caddy?
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skippy so i dont need ot worry about fedora packge names versus ubuntu pacage names.
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skippy wagle: caddy doesn't do .htaccess. so you need to create rewrite directives inside the Caddyfile.
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miklb oh my, a mac desktop news reader that does attom/rss feeds and Twitter. Get [eddie] share sheet micropub extension, and…
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wagle that seems to have been my problem with using nginx
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wagle but I didnt know what I was doing
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[cleverdevil] mikirk ooooh that sounds nice.
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[eddie] miklb: Is the desktop reader a hypothesis or an existing product? Just curious if you were dreaming or speaking about active things ?
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miklb existing. News Explorer. Wasn't really familiar with it, but it's in SetApp, just added the Twitter feature
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[eddie] Oh, NICE!
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miklb full share sheet support
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[cleverdevil] I'll check it out. Maybe they'll be willing to support Nextcloud News's sync API.
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miklb Doesn't look like you can import your full following list, but that might be nice, selectively add people to your news reader
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[cleverdevil] https://betamagic.nl/products/newsexplorer.html
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snarfed (obligatory: https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ , can read your full feed and lists)
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skippy "Always in sync with your news, on all your devices." unless one of those devices is an Android, it looks like
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wagle oh so you CAN get standard wordpress to do multiple domains (eg, foo.io, and baz.com)? I wasnt able to get it to work, but I wasn't expecting how dirty a hack it was
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[mikirk] cleverdevil quickfill strikes again?!
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wagle btnami does t, though
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wagle bitnami does it, though
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wagle .. so I'll now try to port that to something more standard
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skippy wagle: https://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Multisite_Domain_Mapping
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wagle it lies
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skippy native feature of WP 4.5+. not hacky at all.
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skippy i used it.
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wagle huh.. ok.. I'm going to try again, given wwhat I know now
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... makes you manually add everyone you follow into the feeds list.
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[cleverdevil] Not a great user experience.
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[cleverdevil] Would be great if it just read your timeline as normal, and created a way to also read any "lists" you have.
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[cleverdevil] But, it has potential.
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[eddie] cleverdevil: That’s what I was just thinking
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[eddie] I thought: “Do I want to add all of my people manually?”
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snarfed yup, exactly why i built https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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[eddie] :thumbsup:
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[cleverdevil] snarfed which I like! But, I still think that having a native reader app that supports the Twitter streaming API is better.
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[cleverdevil] Twitter -> Atom -> News Reader makes for a weird experience, IMO.
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miklb [cleverdevil] I approaching that design decision as a feature, not a bug :-)
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[cleverdevil] I still think that a browser vendor could absolutely *kill it* in this space.
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snarfed [cleverdevil]: because of presentation differences? or lower latency? or...?
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snarfed curious if you actually know for sure that this desktop reader uses twitter's streaming API, as opposed to their REST API, and why you care?
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[eddie] The presentation of Native Tweets in this app is DEFINITELY better than Atom feeds
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[cleverdevil] This one likely doesn't.
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[cleverdevil] But, I am not really sure.
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[cleverdevil] I am dreaming, here ?
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snarfed presentation, sure, understood
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snarfed tradeoff vs the manual setup of followers
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[eddie] Yep ?
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[cleverdevil] I basically would love to see something like Tweetbot or Twitterific for macOS integrated into a browser along with an RSS reader.
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[cleverdevil] With the ability to be viewing a site, and subscribe to a site or a twitter stream.
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[cleverdevil] With Indieweb interactions on everything.
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[cleverdevil] Dream dream dream!
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snarfed https://newsblur.com/ also has lots of desktop apps and native twitter support
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[eddie] ?
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snarfed the other reason i like the https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ family is that they give me *all* silo feeds i care about in my reader, including facebook, instagram, and google+
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I think viewing twitter and microblogs as one type of content (real-time, short posts) and RSS/Atom subscriptions as another (longer form posts, etc.) is desirable from a user experience perspective,.
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[cleverdevil] Shoving it all into feeds gets it all into one place, but doesn't actually tailor the experience to the type of content particularly well.
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snarfed maybe! maybe personal preference. i do send some long form articles from my reader to a read later service.
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snarfed i really do appreciate unifying all silo feeds into the same reader though
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snarfed many readers support folders/tags, could use that to separate short from long form
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[eddie] The way I’ve used Twitter for a long time is if I see a link to something I want to read, I’ll save the URL for later reading. If the reader supported some type of “Read Later” functionality, potentially tied in through Micropub to a site’s Bookmarks feed, You could potentially keep long-form reading in the same feed, but just concatenate it to an excerpt with an “Expand” button to open in reading mode or a “Save/Bookmark” button f
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I definitely want everything unified into a single reader.
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[cleverdevil] I just want that reader to treat twitter/microblogs differently than other things ?
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[gregorlove] Session scheduling at IWC Bellingham
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[goldylocks] yayyy!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Tim Bray on Blogging in 2017" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-05-04 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/tim-bray-on-blogging-in-2017
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Tim Bray on Blogging in 2017" https://cleverdevil.io/2017/tim-bray-on-blogging-in-2017
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GWG They are doing a feature freeze on WordPress 4.8 next Friday. I'd better see if I have anything to submit.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Ownership and control: how much do we really have?" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-02 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/02/ownership-and-control-how-much-do-we-really-have/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb adoption – how does a new way spread?" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-27 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/04/27/indieweb-adoption-how-does-a-new-way-spread/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Getting plugged in – part one" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-04 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/04/getting-plugged-in-part-one/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "In transition" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-24 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/04/24/in-transition/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Sending likes and replies using custom fields" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-25 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/04/25/sending-likes-and-replies-using-custom-fields/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The duality of microblogging" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-01 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/01/the-duality-of-microblogging/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Valuing the right things" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-28 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/04/28/valuing-the-right-things/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Who am I? Who does the web think I am?" by Colin Walker on 2017-04-22 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/04/22/who-am-i-who-does-the-web-think-i-am/
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KartikPrabhu what 's with superfeeder and older posts beign pinged again?
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KartikPrabhu what is response?
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Loqi responses, or interactions, in the context of the indieweb, refer to all the different ways and things people explicitly do to and with others’s posts, from written replies to quick likes, in other words responses = replies + reactions https://indieweb.org/response
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KartikPrabhu what is post type?
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Loqi Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/post_type
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[colinwalker] @KartikPrabhu Sorry, my bad. Re-enabled the older version of Pfefferle's PubSub plugin
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KartikPrabhu [colinwalker]: oh! no worries. I thought superfeeder was doing it
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KartikPrabhu weird though that re-enabling a plugin sends older pins again
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miklb at least we know it works!
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[colinwalker] Probably because it was a reinstall rather than just a re-enable
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[colinwalker] miklb Yeah, there's always that ?
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Salt we are about to start afternoon sessions, remotely accessible at: https://talky.io/IWCBham
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[gregorlove] Schedule updated: https://indieweb.org/2017/Bellingham/Schedule#Thursday_2017-05-04
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: typo in the "priciples" part of the north-star-principles etherpad URL
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KartikPrabhu missing "n"
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[gregorlove] Thanks
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[gregorlove] Audio ok to anyone listening?
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KartikPrabhu oh there is a stream?
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KartikPrabhu gimme
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[gregorlove] https://talky.io/IWCBham
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: hey can hear
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[gregorlove] :thumbsup:
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KartikPrabhu also POSSE
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: talky video dropped out
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[gregorlove] Bringing it back
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KartikPrabhu back
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: of course you can make art on indieweb https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/or-should-i ;)
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] 12 August, 2012or should I? I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes. or should I? quote from The Catch...
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KartikPrabhu and I can't POSSE it :P
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KartikPrabhu yay! moved all notes to file storage!!
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Loqi yay!
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: talky down again. microformats session sounds interesting
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KartikPrabhu yup back again
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: you forgot python ;)
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[gregorlove] KartickPrabhu: I gotchu
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: classes are not for CSS only
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KartikPrabhu you can style any attribute with CSS
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KartikPrabhu even data-*
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q._I_thought_one_of_the_main_goals_of_CSS_was_to_separate_data_from_presentation._Isn.E2.80.99t_this_sneaking_presentation_back_into_data.3F
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Loqi Microformats FAQ
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: example: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia and also shameless self-promotion
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Marginalia
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[evanwolf] when was the last time a new microformat added to the canon?
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Loqi what
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snarfed [evanwolf]: i think u-featured, just a month or so ago. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Proposed_Additions
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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[evanwolf] cool!
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[evanwolf] thanks.
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-start-a-new-microformat
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Loqi how-to-start-a-new-microformat
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miklb always need a drummer.
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[gregorlove] Starting up session "Webmention, static site POSSE, the "How""
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miklb hmm. micropub posts don't trigger bridgy-publish in WP? Am I missing a setting?
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miklb Twitter is checked by default
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miklb cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 74 karma in this channel (89 overall)
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miklb shpub is great
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miklb oh, need to look into syndication targets
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[evanwolf] waiting for a Microbrewpub
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KartikPrabhu what is static?
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Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static
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skippy what is shpub ?
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Loqi shpub is a command line micropub client written by https://avatar.cweiske.de/avatar/9e263681488308e5e5d5e548b2f9bc99Christian Weiske https://indieweb.org/shpub
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KartikPrabhu what is websub
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Loqi WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH, and briefly PubSub) is a notification-based protocol for web publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/WebSub
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miklb for some reason, shpub isn't seeing my syndication targets, saying not returning application/json
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miklb assuming I have syndication targets :-)
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KartikPrabhu what is postly?
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Loqi InkBlot is an open source blogging platform currently under development by ben.thatmustbe.me https://indieweb.org/postly
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KartikPrabhu [gregorlove]: micropub form-encoded only for create I think
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skippy miklb: i dont understand what you just said.
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skippy how does shpub use syndication targets?
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[cleverdevil] Just mentioned over in the Known channel, but the next thing to implement on my list is enabling Known plugins to register themselves as helpers to the Micropub endpoint, so that additional content types can be handled without having to extend Known itself.
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[cleverdevil] If anyone wants to help, that would be great. I am definitely still learning!
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miklb skippy syndication targets are what tells your site that you wish this this post to be POSSE. https://github.com/cweiske/shpub#syndication-targets
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Loqi [cweiske] shpub: command line micropub client
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miklb in Quill, once set, they are buttons you can click to POSSE that post
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miklb clck/activate
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[cleverdevil] hmm... aaronpk any reason that Quill doesn't enable syndication for reposts and likes?
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[gregorlove] IndieWebCamp, aka "Look at all these cool services aaronpk has made!" ?
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[gregorlove] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 497 karma in this channel (1306 overall)
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aaronpk lol
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[gregorlove] We were just discussing IndieAuth protocol vs the .com confusion.
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[gregorlove] I might have caused more questions than I solved, hah.
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aaronpk [gregorlove]: ooh please brainstorm new name ideas :)
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[gregorlove] Salt said "Authy" not knowing it exists already
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/138
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Loqi [aaronpk] #138 Rename the project
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aaronpk hah
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KartikPrabhu "authy" does not match aaronpk's naming-convention
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: quill will actually like and repost tweets itself if you like/repost a tweet URL, so I never built in syndication buttons for those