#indieweb 2017-05-08

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Loqi [superfeedr] "Longtime friend & fellow #indieweb leader @veganstraightedge is fighting cancer. Please consider helping: https://www.tilt.com/tilts/i-have-cancer Sometimes being so focused results in missing really important things. Long form: https://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2017/04/17/i-have-cancer" on 2017-05-08 http://tantek.com/2017/127/t1/friend-fighting-cancer
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tantek ICYMI ^^^ (like I did apparently :/ )
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A great comic making the #indieweb case http://www.otheringandbelonging.org/divided-and-platformed/" by Kevin Marks on 2017-05-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/a-great-comic-making-the-indieweb-case-divided-and-platformed
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[kevinmarks] Not sure where to see also that
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tantek kevinmarks, let me know if you find an actual text version of that comic, I can't be bothered trying to read all the small-print in PNG form
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tantek so short version is, I wouldn't see also it anywhere, until it's redone as HTML, with images only for the actual cartoons and icons
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KartikPrabhu that png is impossible to read with its font anyway
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KartikPrabhu s/impossible/very very hard
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wagle captcha?
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KartikPrabhu wagle: no http://www.otheringandbelonging.org/divided-and-platformed/
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Loqi Divided and Platformed Susie Cagle in Arts Tagged with: Issue 2
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wagle joke
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wagle oic
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tantek !tell aaronpk do you have an indie event posted for HWC PDX https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-10-homebrew-website-club?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek really needs to implement indie events himself in /Falcon
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tantek reviews his Falcon itches
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wagle what does /KeywordHere denote?
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schmarty wagle: a page on the indieweb wiki. e.g. /why => http://indieweb.org/why
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schmarty (the logs at chat.indieweb.org find and linkify these automatically)
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wagle cool. thanks
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wagle !
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schmarty haha, hooray! i can now edit my posts with micropub.
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Loqi schmarty: lol
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wagle !m schmarty
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wagle aww.. that bots not here, man
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wagle gz.. soon I may be able to do that
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schmarty i will accept loqi's lol as celebration enough. :}
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wagle heh
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schmarty it ended up being a lot of refactoring work and writing unit tests for my micropub endpoint.
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schmarty but i can now, finally, add syndication links to a post after it is created, without having to use my laptop to edit the post's properties by hand.
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schmarty tomorrow i'll write a follow-up post to https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/19/151612/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Easier POSSE with Micropub Edits?
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schmarty !tell aaronpk any update on IWS venue? i'm hoping to choose a very close hotel. although maybe i should instead ask the location of the most likely after-IWS social venue(s). :}
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Good evening, indieweb
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schmarty Good evening, gRegorLove ! How was your weekend of bonus conferencing?
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gRegorLove It was good. Some interesting sessions.
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tantek good evening gRegorLove!
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gRegorLove o/ tantek
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tantek wonders if there are any new photos
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'll get day 2's up later tonight or tomorrow
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tantek and hey, congrats for kicking off our IndieWebCamp season with the first successful IWC of the year!
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gRegorLove Thanks. It got me excited for IWS, and definitely newfound appreciation for the organizers. :)
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tantek I'm sure you'll have lots of good new perspectives to share at leaders summit sessions
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tantek also gRegorLove congrats on 1/3 women participants, getting closer to 50/50. I think that's a new IWC record and we'll have to see if we can do better at IWS!
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wagle TIL that to greatly amplify the bitrot, you must keep upgrading and changing (wordpress) things around
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wagle there are SOOOO many "untested with your version of wordpress" plugins
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wagle </rant>
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gRegorLove Along those lines, there was a good session at LFNW on diversity when building community. Video on http://lfnw.org/node/4489
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gRegorLove They got their videos up *fast*. Same day.
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GWG wagle: So many?
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wagle search for d3.. find a bunch of matches, 2/3 "not tested" or so
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wagle wp d3 is ded, apparently
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wagle dead
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wagle trying blazing charts
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wagle this experiences haas happened before with several searches.. and wordpress apparently REALLY DID hange significantly
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GWG wagle, large ecosystem
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wagle except the ones that sound the best are dead
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wagle meh, blazing charts sems reasonablee so far
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wagle though I'm not seeing how to do d3 yet
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aaronpk Will hopefully tomorrow hear back on venue.
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 55 minutes ago: do you have an indie event posted for HWC PDX https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-10-homebrew-website-club?
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Loqi aaronpk: schmarty left you a message 51 minutes ago: any update on IWS venue? i'm hoping to choose a very close hotel. although maybe i should instead ask the location of the most likely after-IWS social venue(s). :}
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aaronpk But also downtown Portland is tiny
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aaronpk tantek: indie event is here : https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/10/1/ did I not add a link on the wiki?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/10/1/map.png
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Did you see this out of IWCBham? https://github.com/indieweb/2017.indieweb.org/pull/1
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Loqi [AndrewKvalheim] #1 Use the recommended algorithm for computing Gravatar hashes.
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gRegorLove Is 5/10 an irregular HWC date? I thought next was the 17th
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aaronpk Yeah Portland is on its own schedule now
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gRegorLove IWCBham photos up, including our manual attempt at making a gif: https://indieweb.org/2017/Bellingham#Photos
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wagle blazing charts seems to do d3 iff you can guess how to actually use it
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wagle (wordpress plugin)
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wagle https://wagle.io/2017/05/06/blog-0/ (the display box isnt big enough.. will fix that tomorrow, I hope
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Loqi [Perry Wagle] Blog 0
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wagle )
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gRegorLove What's d3?
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wagle graphics package for javascript
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wagle https://d3js.org/
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wagle hmm... sempress doesnt appear to have the "Full Width Page Template" page template advertised in the docs
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wagle so much for that lead?
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wagle hmm.. i'm not asleep... 8(
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wagle well, the code for it seems to be there, but turning it on is the problem
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wagle umm.. new page has it, but I cant modify my blog pge
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wagle confirmed
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wagle ok turned it on in a new page, full-width'd it, and it worked. turning the new page into the blog, turned it off. 8(
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wagle huh... I'm frustrated by wordpress's post/page dicotomy again
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wagle the blog is a list of posts, silly me
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gRegorLove Yeah, and to confuse things more, at the db level, a WP "page" is just a special kind of post.
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wagle honey, I shrunk the graph!
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wagle is too punchy
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[kevinmarks] I was trying out D3 yesterday too. Ukmetavote.github.io/zooming.html
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jeremycherfas Morning Indieweb
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sknebel morning!
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jeremycherfas Ready for Dusseldorf?
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[kevinmarks] Ooh, that should be fun
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sknebel I'm only going to Nürnberg, unless something crazy happens
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jeremycherfas Ah. I thought you were doing both. Well, good. I’ll see you there. It will be good to meet IRL.
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sknebel yeah. I had initially planned both, but doing only one is more sensible right now ;) Looking forward to meeting you!
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[eddie] good morning, indieweb
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jeremycherfas Morning Eddie
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sknebel good morning!
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[eddie] ?
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indieweb
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[colinwalker] Hey all
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aaronpk Happy Monday!
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PFMurph helo
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PFMurph whoa my clock on this box is off
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PFMurph I should fix that
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Loqi yea
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miklb mornin' y'all
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tommorris I love the enthusiasm of the Mastodon people, but I'm completely unsurprised by this - https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1847
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message on 2017-03-30 at 1:21am UTC: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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Loqi [Gargron] #1847 Media content caching strategy
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tommorris IndieWeb: post on your own site, syndicate elsewhere.
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tommorris Mastodon: so, I'm storing thumbnails of other people's child porn. That seems bad.
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tommorris I still don't see the point of federation.
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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dougbeal|imac Good morning
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jeremycherfas Chrisaldrich++ for pointing to Admin columns Pro for WP
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 25 karma in this channel (32 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Good day, IndieWeb ?
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snarfed morning [cleverdevil]
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miklb jeremycherfas what does that plugin do?
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[jeremycherfas] It allows you to see as many columns as you like in the All Posts page, and the pro version allows inline editing of just about any element. Let me do in about 10 minutes what would otherwise have taken a couple of hours
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[jeremycherfas] I can see it enabling me to do things that I would have dismissed before as being too tedious.
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miklb interesting
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[jeremycherfas] I changed my theme recently, as a result of which featured images were showing twice, and I was able to get rid of them all, more than 100, in about 5 mins.
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[jeremycherfas] I guess you could do the same even quicker in the DB, but that would scare me.
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miklb it's all about what's comfortable to the user. I don't knock GUI tools.
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[kevinmarks] http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/telecom/internet/hbos-silicon-valley-joins-the-push-for-a-decentralized-web
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miklb if anyone is in Austin for OSCON https://twitter.com/manton2/status/861640949616783360
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@manton2 Working on my talk about Indie Microblogging for Refresh Austin tomorrow night. It’s at Buffalo Billiards, Tuesday at 7pm! (twitter.com/_/status/861640949616783360)
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aaronpk nice! add that to /events
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wagle achievement unlocked!
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wagle </cryptic>
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miklb gah, I tried, but seems it didn't save.
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miklb clicked wrong button
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Site-Updates: Easier POSSE with Micropub Edits!" https://martymcgui.re/2017/05/08/150527/
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GWG Afternoon
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miklb howdy GWG
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GWG What is going on, miklb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "going on, miklb" yet. Would you like to create it?
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miklb avoids answering that in a way to that Loqi creates a wiki page
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GWG I added more to my Semantic Linkbacks enhancements. It now stores location and syndication, as well as parses author urls.
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miklb GWG I started looking at how to incorporate that new class for suggested plugins
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schmarty tantek: update about my new syndication workflow with micropub edits is at https://martymcgui.re/2017/05/08/150527/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Site-Updates: Easier POSSE with Micropub Edits!
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GWG miklb, should be easy enough, I hope
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miklb pretty much, not a complete swap, but doesn't look too involved
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GWG miklb, I am excited about extending Simple Location and Syndication Links into comment meta. Storing the properties gives me an excuse to do that.
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gRegorLove !tell dougbeal|imac jeremycherfas Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-07/1494132499838000 the URLs added in the bio field won't have rel=me on them, so can't be used for IndieAuth. Just the official website field has the rel=me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [[jeremycherfas]] !tell @dougbealjmb1 Twitter allows two, one as the official website and another on in the bio.
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miklb GWG sounds like it would allow for better integration with OwnYourSwarm
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GWG Only for backfeed.
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GWG Storing syndication links in comment meta would allow for deduplication and display. Storing location would certainly enhance comments.
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gRegorLove Interesting double square brackets on the preview of that log line ^
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KartikPrabhu I think Loqi adds square brackets to nicknames from logs, and the second ones are from Slack
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KartikPrabhu sorry Slack-mapping
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gRegorLove tests: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-08/1494273301146000
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Loqi [KartikPrabhu] I think Loqi adds square brackets to nicknames from logs, and the second ones are from Slack
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gRegorLove Aye
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KartikPrabhu :thumbs:ip:
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aaronpk heh
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tantek schmarty++ wow that's a huge improvement! and especially that you have it working on mobile without editing code! nice work!
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Loqi schmarty has 7 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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mpfefferle aaronpk websub.rocks does not find the headers/links of my blog, can you give me a hint? notiz.blog/feed/ for example…
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aaronpk oh boy
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mpfefferle aaronpk sorry, but I have no clue why… Added headers and atom links…
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aaronpk ah it's timing out
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mpfefferle oh
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schmarty tantek: thanks! it's super neat and weird to be able to edit posts with micropub!
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aaronpk i just increased the timeout so it should find it now
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mpfefferle aaronpk cool, thanks
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[cleverdevil] Hmm, the Recipe app that I use (Paprika for macOS and iOS) has an export format that turns out to be gzipped JSON data.
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[cleverdevil] I've been able to write quick script in Python that parses it and converts it to HTML, marked up properly with mf2.
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aaronpk i thought i remembered an HTML export option that includes microformats
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[cleverdevil] There is only an HTML export for your entire recipe library, as far as I can tell.
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aaronpk aha
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aaronpk yep, and it exports hRecipe (microformats 1)
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[cleverdevil] Yup.
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[cleverdevil] Looks like you can do *categories* too.
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[cleverdevil] But, not individual recipes.
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tantek what is Paprika?
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Loqi Paprika is an OSX and iOS application for creating an organizing recipes for making food, that can import recipes from websites marked up with hRecipe https://indieweb.org/Paprika
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[cleverdevil] My goal for my next project is relatively ambitious...
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[cleverdevil] I'd really like to be able to post recipes to Known via Micropub ?
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[cleverdevil] (And... you know, anything else)
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[jeremycherfas] !tell gregorlove Oh. I guess I was confused because I think Bridgy can make use of both urls.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [superfeedr] "WP Tavern über Micro.blog" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2017-02-01 http://notiz.blog/2017/02/01/wp-tavern-ueber-micro-blog/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWordPress &#8211; WordCamp Frankfurt" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2016-09-23 http://notiz.blog/2016/09/23/indiewordpress-wordcamp-frankfurt/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWebCamp 2014 &#8211; This is a movement" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2015-07-25 http://notiz.blog/2015/07/25/indiewebcamp-2014-this-is-a-movement/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "10 Jahre notizBlog" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2015-12-07 http://notiz.blog/2015/12/07/10-jahre-notizblog/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Interview mit Aaron Parecki" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2015-07-23 http://notiz.blog/2015/07/23/interview-mit-aaron-parecki/
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[eddie] schmarty: Awesome update!!
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[eddie] schmarty++
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tantek aaronpk, re: HWC PDX indie event, yes it wasn't on the wiki, nor the FB POSSE copy, so I'm guessing you're not seeing RSVP from Bridgy
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tantek let's see if I can update the POSSE copy
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aaronpk ooh and i even forgot to link to the facebook copy from mine
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aaronpk i don't have a very good event posting flow
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tantek neither do I ?
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tantek http://indieweb.org/Falcon#event_posts
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tantek schmarty++ for the HWC event header image here: https://www.facebook.com/events/630302647165359/ amazing
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Loqi schmarty has 9 karma in this channel (10 overall)
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tantek checks the /hwc page
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gRegorLove is stealing it for next HWC
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Loqi gRegorLove: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 1 hour, 18 minutes ago: Oh. I guess I was confused because I think Bridgy can make use of both urls.
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tantek hmm this could use some more details https://indieweb.org/POSSE_to_Facebook
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tantek and nothing about events there. hmmm
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tantek ah: https://indieweb.org/event#POSSE_to_Facebook
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strk[m] > POSSE_to_Facebook
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strk[m] from your own site to .
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strk[m] Truncated text on that page
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strk[m] Weird: not in "reader mode" !
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tantek do you have a blocker that hides links with "Facebook" in the link text
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KartikPrabhu that ^ is what happened to me
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KartikPrabhu some sort of "social" links blocker in FF
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strk[m] There's also a warning. Http (!s) link ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb im @DKultur/@breitband" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2015-05-01 https://notiz.blog/2015/05/01/indieweb-im-deutschlandradio/
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tantek !tell schmarty can you upload the "1980s style" HWC header image to the IndieWeb wiki? The one here https://www.facebook.com/events/630302647165359/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk event posting flow updated with more details (at least for HWC indie event + FB POSSE copy) https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Beforehand+
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek oops extra +]
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tantek !tell aaronpk event posting flow updated with more details (at least for HWC indie event + FB POSSE copy) https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Beforehand
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek welcome [thunder] !
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tantek what's your website?
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[thunder] hello!
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[thunder] I have a boring static website ?
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[thunder] at https://sandmill.org/
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KartikPrabhu [thunder]: nothing boring about a static website ;)
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[thunder] hehe ?
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[thunder] looking forward to trying all these new toys tantek told me about today
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tantek [thunder] do you host your website on github? or a hosting service?
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[thunder] digital ocean
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[thunder] because I need the machine anyway, so might as well host there too
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[thunder] (eg it also runs my twitterbot to retweet from one account to another)
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tantek if you add rel="me" to your links to your email, Twitter, (and maybe even add a link to your GitHub), then you can use sandmill.org to sign into indieweb.org!
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[thunder] the static site is built with webflow though (which sadly doesn’t support firefox, but I otherwise quite like)
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tantek what is webflow?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webflow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[thunder] it’s a website designer
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[thunder] webflow.com
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tantek a human?
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[thunder] no, a company
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[thunder] the designer app can output html/css/js (depending on your plan, etc). It’s autogenerated but I like using it for the most part.
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tantek Webflow is a website design tool (webflow.com) that can output autogenerated html/css/js for a simple [[static site]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is webflow?
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Loqi Webflow is a website design tool (webflow.com) that can output autogenerated html/css/js for a simple static site https://indieweb.org/Webflow
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tantek ^^^ speaking of bots, Thunder, do you see what just happened?
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[thunder] what is Loqui?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Loqui" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Loqui is Loqi
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Loqi ok
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[thunder] what! needs a little self-awareness
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[thunder] haha
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tantek try asking again :)
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Loqi [thunder]: lol
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[thunder] what is Loqui?
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Loqi Loqui is Loqi https://indieweb.org/Loqui
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KartikPrabhu uh oh
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schmarty tantek: I'm on mobile at the moment but I added a link to the header image I use for Baltimore HWC on my indie and FB events to https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Beforehand
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Loqi schmarty: tantek left you a message 18 minutes ago: can you upload the "1980s style" HWC header image to the IndieWeb wiki? The one here https://www.facebook.com/events/630302647165359/
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tantek hmm I thought that worked for redirects
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KartikPrabhu tantek: might need slash
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yeah I think the "<<" syntax no longer needs slash
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tantek what is Loqui?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqui
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KartikPrabhu what is Loki?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Loki" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Loki is a trickster Norse god, bearing no resemblance at all to [[Loqi]], none at all, nothing to see here, move along.
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu lol
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gRegorLove Lolqi
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tantek [thunder]: does Webflow allow you to set the "rel" on a link like you can set the "class"?
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[thunder] not sure
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[thunder] lemme install chrome on this laptop and see
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tantek oh dear it's a Chrome-only JS app?
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[thunder] yeah it’s chrome only
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[thunder] sadly
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[thunder] it used to support firefox, then there was some scrollbar styling bug and they disabled it
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[thunder] so, yes, they do allow adding arbitrary attributes to tags
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tantek Webflow << Criticism: [[Chrome]] only web app that requires [[JS]]. Used to support Firefox but then they explicitly disabled it due to a scrollbar styling issues apparently.(#indieweb IRC 2017-05-08)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: [[Chrome]] only web app that requires [[JS]]. Used to support Firefox but then they explicitly disabled it due to a scrollbar styling issues apparently.(#indieweb IRC 2017-05-08)" to the "See Also" section of /Webflow
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[thunder] is Loqi an RDF store?
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schmarty Loqi answers "what is ___?" questions using page titles from the indieweb.org wiki
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schmarty However, Loqi also has several other functions. I think the storage for most of those can be described as "some MySQL tables".
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[thunder] hehe, I see
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gRegorLove What is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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KartikPrabhu what is RDF?
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Loqi RDF is an abbreviation for Recursive Descent Forever, a way of expressing syllogisms so that the subject, object, and predicate are all URLs https://indieweb.org/RDF