#indieweb 2017-05-10

2017-05-10 UTC
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Posting this on MY site and syndicating it to Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. Hoorah #indieweb" by Leo Laporte on 2015-05-20 http://www.leoville.net/2015/05/posting-this-on-my-site-and-syndicating-it-to-twitter
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Posting with Quill" by Leo Laporte on 2015-05-14 http://www.leoville.net/2015/05/posting-with-quill
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "New site, new home" by Leo Laporte on 2015-03-07 http://www.leoville.net/2015/03/new-site-new-home
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tantek
alright, now that this has happened to me THREE times (across three different accounts) I am publicly documenting it this time while attempting to resolve: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_unlock_your_account
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tantek
has anyone else here had a Twitter account get locked, and if so, what have they had to do to get it unlocked, and how long did it take? did you post about it?
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aaronpk
Yep, most of the new accounts I've made get locked immediately and I have to enter a phone number to unlock it. Usually about 2 minutes to resolve it
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tantek
have you posted about this experience?
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miklb
feels like I've seen this same conversation in this channel before
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GWG
Hello, miklb
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tantek
miklb I thought I looked for it but couldn't find it
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aaronpk
Don't think so
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tantek
if you can find it, let me know!
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aaronpk
I don't think I've posted about it I mean
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tantek
alright time for some screenshots
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tantek
might have to use these in a future presentation about why silos suck
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miklb
I could be wrong, thought there was mention of using Google Voice number.
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miklb
howdy gRegorLove
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miklb
and GWG
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aaronpk
My number is a google voice number and I always use that
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gRegorLove
o/ miklb
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tantek
don't they make you use a different # for each twitter account?
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miklb
tantek n
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miklb
sorry
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tantek
have to enable JS on two different domains just to enable their locked account page to work
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tantek
Twitter-- today
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Loqi
twitter has -5 karma in this channel (-7 overall)
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schmarty
tantek: sorry about the twitter account and really hope they allow you to resolve it quickly. kind of curious if you can find out what triggered the lock out. either way silos ugh.
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tantek
schmarty yeah hence why I'm documenting it publicly here and on wiki
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tantek
I've had a project-specific new account get locked (@posttypedisc) and another one community specific (@yogisofnp - still to be resolve because I didn't have the time at the time), but never before my primary account @t
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gRegorLove
So is phone number required now for a Twitter account?
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GWG
It is?
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aaronpk
More or less
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aaronpk
tho you can remove it after you verify the account
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tantek
no it is not required, they just pressure you a lot to use one
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tantek
am documenting
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bignose
Google Suite, on the other hand, insists on a phone number. they use that to send you a TOTP code.
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bignose
only *after* that will they allow you to set up a TOTP generator yourself.
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tantek
what is Google Suite?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Suite" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10hw
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bignose
not worth an entry on the wiki.
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bignose
it's the new name for Google Apps.
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tantek
what is Google Apps?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Apps" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10hx
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tantek
20:17 support request filed to unlock @t without a phone number. We'll see what happens.
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tantek
apparently they sent me an email 13:15 "Your Twitter account has been locked"
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KartikPrabhu
no reason given?
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tantek
and 20:17 email notification received of Case#
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tantek
no reason given there
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tantek
but on twitter.com itself it redirects you to a account access page as described here (see screenshots) https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_unlock_your_account
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tantek
this is very odd, I'm getting "congrats on your work anniversary" messages from people on LinkedIn Messaging. Did LinkedIn ship some weird notification feature like "on this day"?
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tantek
(and I don't know which anniversary it is?)
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GWG
Yes
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tantek
Yes what?
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tantek
also I didn't start working for Mozilla until May 26th so I don't know what anniversary LinkedIn is reporting. http://tantek.com/2010/146/t1/work-with-mozilla-advancing-web-standards
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tantek
for/with
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tantek
now let's see what happens when Falcon tries to POSSE
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Ruxton
LinkedIn have put "work anniversaries" front and center in their notifications
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tantek
{"errors":[{"code":326,"message":"To protect our users from spam and other malicious activity, this account is temporarily locked. Please log in to https://twitter.com to unlock your account."}]}
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tantek
sigh, more things that bug people
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Ruxton
inline replies/commenting/liking has obviously driven usage through the roof
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Ruxton
but because of that, it feels so empty
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tantek
like HFCS
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Ruxton
"oh yeah someone just saw the thing and wrote a quick few word about something that have no idea about"
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GWG
Someone is asking me to add nofollow to rel-syndication links.
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tantek
we really should document the misconceptions around nofollow
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KartikPrabhu
that sounds weird
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: it's likely because of SEO misconceptions about leaking google juice
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tantek
GWG was it in a personal message or a public issue? URL/
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Loqi
shawfactor (@shawfactor) 2 months, 4 weeks ago I love the plugin but I think it needs to add nofollow t...
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GWG
I found out I wasn't getting notified of wordpress.org support messages.
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tantek
GWG, this could be interesting. perhaps a socratic approach. what is the use-case you need it for?
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Ruxton
:/ people have an odd understanding of "link juice"
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GWG
I don't really understand the rationale either.
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tantek
GWG, by asking them to explain it, it will likely be made obv that there is none
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Ruxton
he's just (imo incorrectly) worried that linking out to silos constantly is giving them some search rank and potentially negatively effecting the page he has' search rank
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tantek
yeah, hence SEO misconceptions
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Ruxton
it's actually potentially giving his rank a positive influence
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tantek
Ruxton, if we can document that with evidence, then we can document how rel=nofollow is having a web-damagin effect far beyond any actual spam fighting it was intended to
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tantek
we can deprecate it on microformats.org and I can potentially ask for as much in #whatwg and maybe even W3C
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: is there not a potential use-case for vouch?
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KartikPrabhu
does not recall
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tantek
not really no
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tantek
in practice use of nofollow is completely polluted now
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tantek
e.g. silos put nofollow on all 2nd party (account holder) links, instead of just 3rd party (commenter) links
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KartikPrabhu
I mean I don't support Vouch but I don't want random links that show up in my comments to be useable for Vounch anyone else
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gRegorLove
ben's and my /Vouch implementation skip nofollow
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gRegorLove
Though I largely copied him and don't have strong opinions about it.
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GWG
Okay, Simple Location fixed. Pull Requests merged....at least I did something tonight.
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gRegorLove
Speaking of LinkedIn, someone shared this at IWCBham: http://opt.outof.link/edin
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gRegorLove
Oh, I guess it's actually *by* Andrew (attendee at IWCBham)
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gRegorLove
"Job application forms sometimes have a field asking for the URL of the applicant's LinkedIn™ profile. This site gives me something to enter into that field:"
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tantek
gRegorLove: that's a good point of a potential remaining use for nofollow in the indieweb
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tantek
perhaps we can use it more prudently?
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gRegorLove
What is nofollow?
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Loqi
nofollow is a rel value meant to stop search engines imputing endorsement from a link https://indieweb.org/nofollow
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[colinwalker]
Morning all. I like that LinkedIn opt out - will have to remember that.
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gRegorLove
Started /nofollow#IndieWeb_Examples if anyone else wants to add, or start up a criticism/issues section.
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tantek
thanks gRegorLove good start documenting things either way
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GWG
[colinwalker]: Assuming pfefferle doesn't find anything with the changes, the issue you filed should be closed soon.
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[colinwalker]
@GWG Thanks. Just got the email from GitHub about the update ? Look forward to updating once it gets merged.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "To syndicate or no" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-10 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/10/to-syndicate-or-no/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "To syndicate or no" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-10 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ColinWalker/~3/Fo6DM0zOZy4/
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tantek
^^^ why the feedproxy URL - that seems odd
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tantek
[colinwalker]: I agree with your conclusion
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tantek
hence strongly believe in POSSE copies having permashortlinks that link back to the original on your own site
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tantek
using viewing via a third party service to encourage more direct site visits as it were
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[colinwalker]
Not sure why the feedproxy keeps coming up.
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[colinwalker]
tantek I think it also reignites the debate about full or partial feeds
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tantek
is there really much of a debate about that any more?
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gRegorLove
partialfeeds--
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Loqi
partialfeeds has -1 karma
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tantek
gRegorLove even on a home page?
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gRegorLove
Yeah, not generally a fan of "Read more"
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gRegorLove
[colinwalker]: Do you still have FeedBurner set up for your feeds, even if it's not linked from your page? Think that's where the feedproxy links are coming from.
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tantek
gRegorLove: what if it's just done with CSS?
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[colinwalker]
Was trying to post that it looked like an old feedburner hangover but signal
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gRegorLove
If you don't need it anymore, you can 301 redirect it: https://indieweb.org/FeedBurner#Leaving_Feedburner
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[colinwalker]
Not directly but may have on an old domain which redirects
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gRegorLove
tantek: Guess that'd work, still showing the full post in a /reader
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gRegorLove
Ooh, woodwind.xyz is back up, for the moment.
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gRegorLove
My checking of it has tapered off, figuring one of these days it just won't be back
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tantek
gRegorLove: I've been considering a CSS solution like that just to make my home page "denser" in terms of posts
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tantek
but not sure If I should just expand in place, or basically pre-load the permalinks from the home page and generate them locally (via JS) as zero-network-access JS enhancement
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Ruxton
gRegorLove: it might be back, but it's not pickng up new posts in feeds that I can see
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gRegorLove
It got one i WebSub'd just a moment ago. But yeah, imagine it's not very stable
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Ruxton
something tells me moving 10-year-old wordpress to known is going to be very manual :( importing the dump isn't very useful when over half my posts are photos
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[colinwalker]
Feedburner consigned to history
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[kevinmarks]
Did they shut down? Or did you just turn them off for yourself?
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[colinwalker]
Nah, it's still there. Just turned it off on an old feed that was redirecting.
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Loqi
j4y_funabashi: snarfed left you a message 10 hours, 33 minutes ago: yup, sometimes deleted, sometimes not public (eg your /post/... example URL), and sometimes the facebook API is just inconsistent (details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/512 )
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Loqi
good morning!
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j4y_funabashi
snarfed: Thanks, I thought that would be the case - just wanted to check.
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jaduncan[m]
snarfed: I'll just mention that it's now possible to upload to Instagram via the mobile website. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/upload-photos-to-instagram-ubuntu
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jaduncan[m]
snarfed: There's the distinct possibility that Instagram may finally be a relatively normal brid.gy citizen.
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jaduncan[m]
!tell snarfed I'll just mention that it's now possible to upload to Instagram via the mobile website. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/upload-photos-to-instagram-ubuntu There's the distinct possibility that Instagram may finally be a relatively normal brid.gy citizen.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
Good morning, pfefferle
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GWG
Always nice to see you
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[jeremycherfas]
Good morning Indieweb
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[colinwalker]
Hey guys
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GWG
Morning
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Loqi
good morning
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pfefferle
good morning GWG
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[drkokandy]
Hi everyone, I'm new. Pleased to make your acquaintance o/
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jeremycherfas
I’m assuming that’s a pseudonym
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schmarty
welcome, [drkokandy]! are you working on something for your personal website?
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[drkokandy]
I have kind of been gradually working on developing my site for awhile using the information on the IWC site but I realized I've never joined the chat channel or introduced myself
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ben_thatmustbeme
welcome [drkokandy]
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[colinwalker]
?
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[cleverdevil]
Interesting approach. Inching closer to what I'm really looking for: a browser that builds in IndieWeb interactions, aggregation/reading experience, etc.
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning gRegorLove
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "@Tamaracks There's no need to explicitly set a Post Format in WordPress as it will automatically be set based on the Post Kind setting in" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-10 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/tamaracks-theres-no-need-to-explicitly-set-a-post-format
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dougbeal|mb1
I'm using the WP Repost javascript tool on twitter (https://twitter.com/guzzzyy/status/861968778439143426). Is there anyway to to change how the image excerpt is centered? https://dougbeal.com/?p=132&preview=true
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gRegorLove
I don't think so
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gRegorLove
I think it crops in equally from top and bottom
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tantek
02:37 PDT another email from Twitter saying "Your Twitter account has been locked"
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gRegorLove
Like, locked again? Or still?
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tantek
well I was asleep so idk
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tantek
replied to the Twitter support email from last night
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tantek
pointed out I don't post too often, and that I post generally positive things, sent them to my # 100DoPP as an example
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tantek
seeing if appealing to positivity helps
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gRegorLove
Quite a headline on that ArsTechnica article. Doesn't start me off very enthused. "Opera Reborn “rethinks” the browser… with integrated WhatsApp and Facebook"
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snarfed
superfeedr is down. :( https://superfeedr.com/ #hugops
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Loqi
snarfed: jaduncan[m] left you a message 8 hours, 48 minutes ago: I'll just mention that it's now possible to upload to Instagram via the mobile website. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/upload-photos-to-instagram-ubuntu There's the distinct possibility that Instagram may finally be a relatively normal brid.gy citizen.
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Loqi
aww, cheer up
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aaronpk
oh dear
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aaronpk
julien said he was going to be working on it the next couple days
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snarfed
back up
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GWG
Good afternoon
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dougbeal|imac
o/
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Loqi
dougbeal|imac: gRegorLove left you a message 2 days, 1 hour ago: jeremycherfas Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-07/1494132499838000 the URLs added in the bio field won't have rel=me on them, so can't be used for IndieAuth. Just the official website field has the rel=me
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gRegorLove
\o dougbeal|imac
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dougbeal|imac
Just discovered my host was set to local mail exchange... no wonder I never found out about system changes.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: so "tweeting not often" is a criterion?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: "excessive tweeting" is bad per the rules IIRC
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KartikPrabhu
hence surprised at your twitter locking; all seems very weird
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tantek
indeed
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miklb
tantek how do you POSSE your tweets?
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miklb
just wondering if not using native apps flagged you.
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tantek
miklb via the API
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tantek
except tweets with photos/videos I use Bridgy Publish to POSSE
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aaronpk
just realized he hadn't posted IndieWeb Summit on Facebook yet
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tantek
is 2017.indieweb.org auth'd with Bridgy so it can get backfeed of a FB POSSE copy event?
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aaronpk
no, and i dont really want facebook RSVPs to look like indie RSVPs anyway ;-)
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tantek
that's a good point
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tantek
then 2017.indieweb.org just as the "ticket URL"
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tantek
on the FB copy
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tantek
and maybe in description: IMPORTANT: You must get a ticket from 2017.indieweb.org to attend! RSVPing on FB is not enough. or something like that
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aaronpk
hm my twitter search seems to have broken
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] We've confirmed the venue! IndieWeb Summit 2017 will be at ...?... Mozilla Portland! ?? https://2017.indieweb.org
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snarfed
aaronpk++ yay!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 499 karma in this channel (1313 overall)
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tantek
aaronpk maybe Loqi's twitter account got locked?
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aaronpk
just checked, the script had crashed for some reason
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aaronpk
which is also concerning because normally my polling search finds things as a backup, so i'll have to find out why that stopped too
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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