#indieweb 2017-05-10

2017-05-10 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Posting this on MY site and syndicating it to Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. Hoorah #indieweb" by Leo Laporte on 2015-05-20 http://www.leoville.net/2015/05/posting-this-on-my-site-and-syndicating-it-to-twitter
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Posting with Quill" by Leo Laporte on 2015-05-14 http://www.leoville.net/2015/05/posting-with-quill
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New site, new home" by Leo Laporte on 2015-03-07 http://www.leoville.net/2015/03/new-site-new-home
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tantek alright, now that this has happened to me THREE times (across three different accounts) I am publicly documenting it this time while attempting to resolve: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_unlock_your_account
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tantek has anyone else here had a Twitter account get locked, and if so, what have they had to do to get it unlocked, and how long did it take? did you post about it?
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aaronpk Yep, most of the new accounts I've made get locked immediately and I have to enter a phone number to unlock it. Usually about 2 minutes to resolve it
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tantek have you posted about this experience?
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miklb feels like I've seen this same conversation in this channel before
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GWG Hello, miklb
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tantek miklb I thought I looked for it but couldn't find it
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aaronpk Don't think so
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tantek if you can find it, let me know!
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aaronpk I don't think I've posted about it I mean
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tantek alright time for some screenshots
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tantek might have to use these in a future presentation about why silos suck
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miklb I could be wrong, thought there was mention of using Google Voice number.
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miklb howdy gRegorLove
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miklb and GWG
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miklb :-D
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aaronpk My number is a google voice number and I always use that
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gRegorLove o/ miklb
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tantek don't they make you use a different # for each twitter account?
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miklb tantek n
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aaronpk No
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tantek whoa
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miklb no
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miklb sorry
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tantek have to enable JS on two different domains just to enable their locked account page to work
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tantek Twitter-- today
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Loqi twitter has -5 karma in this channel (-7 overall)
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schmarty tantek: sorry about the twitter account and really hope they allow you to resolve it quickly. kind of curious if you can find out what triggered the lock out. either way silos ugh.
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tantek schmarty yeah hence why I'm documenting it publicly here and on wiki
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tantek I've had a project-specific new account get locked (@posttypedisc) and another one community specific (@yogisofnp - still to be resolve because I didn't have the time at the time), but never before my primary account @t
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gRegorLove So is phone number required now for a Twitter account?
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GWG It is?
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aaronpk More or less
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aaronpk tho you can remove it after you verify the account
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KartikPrabhu lol
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tantek no it is not required, they just pressure you a lot to use one
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tantek am documenting
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bignose Google Suite, on the other hand, insists on a phone number. they use that to send you a TOTP code.
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bignose only *after* that will they allow you to set up a TOTP generator yourself.
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tantek what is Google Suite?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Suite" yet. Would you like to create it?
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bignose not worth an entry on the wiki.
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bignose it's the new name for Google Apps.
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tantek what is Google Apps?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Apps" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek 20:17 support request filed to unlock @t without a phone number. We'll see what happens.
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tantek apparently they sent me an email 13:15 "Your Twitter account has been locked"
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KartikPrabhu no reason given?
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tantek and 20:17 email notification received of Case#
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tantek no reason given there
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tantek but on twitter.com itself it redirects you to a account access page as described here (see screenshots) https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_unlock_your_account
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tantek this is very odd, I'm getting "congrats on your work anniversary" messages from people on LinkedIn Messaging. Did LinkedIn ship some weird notification feature like "on this day"?
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tantek (and I don't know which anniversary it is?)
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GWG Yes
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tantek Yes what?
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tantek also I didn't start working for Mozilla until May 26th so I don't know what anniversary LinkedIn is reporting. http://tantek.com/2010/146/t1/work-with-mozilla-advancing-web-standards
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] really excited to work with Mozilla on advancing web standards http://j.mp/tmoz and http://j.mp/ttkmoz longurls: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-20005987-36.html and http://arunranga.com/blog/2010/05/tantek-celik-working-with-mozilla/
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tantek for/with
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tantek now let's see what happens when Falcon tries to POSSE
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tantek 403
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Ruxton LinkedIn have put "work anniversaries" front and center in their notifications
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tantek {"errors":[{"code":326,"message":"To protect our users from spam and other malicious activity, this account is temporarily locked. Please log in to https://twitter.com to unlock your account."}]}
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Ruxton looks like this - https://puu.sh/vLgph/2021ddf159.png
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tantek sigh, more things that bug people
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Ruxton inline replies/commenting/liking has obviously driven usage through the roof
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Ruxton but because of that, it feels so empty
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tantek like HFCS
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Ruxton "oh yeah someone just saw the thing and wrote a quick few word about something that have no idea about"
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GWG Someone is asking me to add nofollow to rel-syndication links.
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tantek we really should document the misconceptions around nofollow
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KartikPrabhu that sounds weird
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's likely because of SEO misconceptions about leaking google juice
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tantek GWG was it in a personal message or a public issue? URL/
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GWG tantek: https://wordpress.org/support/topic/should-add-nofollow/
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Loqi shawfactor (@shawfactor) 2 months, 4 weeks ago I love the plugin but I think it needs to add nofollow t...
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GWG I found out I wasn't getting notified of wordpress.org support messages.
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tantek GWG, this could be interesting. perhaps a socratic approach. what is the use-case you need it for?
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Ruxton :/ people have an odd understanding of "link juice"
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GWG I don't really understand the rationale either.
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tantek GWG, by asking them to explain it, it will likely be made obv that there is none
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Ruxton he's just (imo incorrectly) worried that linking out to silos constantly is giving them some search rank and potentially negatively effecting the page he has' search rank
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tantek yeah, hence SEO misconceptions
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Ruxton it's actually potentially giving his rank a positive influence
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tantek Ruxton, if we can document that with evidence, then we can document how rel=nofollow is having a web-damagin effect far beyond any actual spam fighting it was intended to
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tantek we can deprecate it on microformats.org and I can potentially ask for as much in #whatwg and maybe even W3C
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KartikPrabhu tantek: is there not a potential use-case for vouch?
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KartikPrabhu does not recall
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tantek not really no
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tantek in practice use of nofollow is completely polluted now
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tantek e.g. silos put nofollow on all 2nd party (account holder) links, instead of just 3rd party (commenter) links
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KartikPrabhu I mean I don't support Vouch but I don't want random links that show up in my comments to be useable for Vounch anyone else
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gRegorLove ben's and my /Vouch implementation skip nofollow
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gRegorLove Though I largely copied him and don't have strong opinions about it.
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GWG Okay, Simple Location fixed. Pull Requests merged....at least I did something tonight.
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gRegorLove Speaking of LinkedIn, someone shared this at IWCBham: http://opt.outof.link/edin
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gRegorLove Oh, I guess it's actually *by* Andrew (attendee at IWCBham)
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gRegorLove "Job application forms sometimes have a field asking for the URL of the applicant's LinkedIn™ profile. This site gives me something to enter into that field:"
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tantek gRegorLove: that's a good point of a potential remaining use for nofollow in the indieweb
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tantek perhaps we can use it more prudently?
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gRegorLove What is nofollow?
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Loqi nofollow is a rel value meant to stop search engines imputing endorsement from a link https://indieweb.org/nofollow
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[colinwalker] Morning all. I like that LinkedIn opt out - will have to remember that.
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gRegorLove Started /nofollow#IndieWeb_Examples if anyone else wants to add, or start up a criticism/issues section.
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tantek thanks gRegorLove good start documenting things either way
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GWG [colinwalker]: Assuming pfefferle doesn't find anything with the changes, the issue you filed should be closed soon.
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[colinwalker] @GWG Thanks. Just got the email from GitHub about the update ? Look forward to updating once it gets merged.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "To syndicate or no" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-10 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/10/to-syndicate-or-no/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "To syndicate or no" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-10 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ColinWalker/~3/Fo6DM0zOZy4/
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tantek ^^^ why the feedproxy URL - that seems odd
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tantek [colinwalker]: I agree with your conclusion
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tantek hence strongly believe in POSSE copies having permashortlinks that link back to the original on your own site
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tantek using viewing via a third party service to encourage more direct site visits as it were
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[colinwalker] Not sure why the feedproxy keeps coming up.
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[colinwalker] tantek I think it also reignites the debate about full or partial feeds
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tantek is there really much of a debate about that any more?
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gRegorLove partialfeeds--
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Loqi partialfeeds has -1 karma
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tantek gRegorLove even on a home page?
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gRegorLove Yeah, not generally a fan of "Read more"
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gRegorLove [colinwalker]: Do you still have FeedBurner set up for your feeds, even if it's not linked from your page? Think that's where the feedproxy links are coming from.
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tantek gRegorLove: what if it's just done with CSS?
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[colinwalker] Was trying to post that it looked like an old feedburner hangover but signal
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gRegorLove If you don't need it anymore, you can 301 redirect it: https://indieweb.org/FeedBurner#Leaving_Feedburner
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[colinwalker] Not directly but may have on an old domain which redirects
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gRegorLove tantek: Guess that'd work, still showing the full post in a /reader
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gRegorLove Ooh, woodwind.xyz is back up, for the moment.
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gRegorLove My checking of it has tapered off, figuring one of these days it just won't be back
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tantek gRegorLove: I've been considering a CSS solution like that just to make my home page "denser" in terms of posts
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tantek but not sure If I should just expand in place, or basically pre-load the permalinks from the home page and generate them locally (via JS) as zero-network-access JS enhancement
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Ruxton gRegorLove: it might be back, but it's not pickng up new posts in feeds that I can see
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gRegorLove It got one i WebSub'd just a moment ago. But yeah, imagine it's not very stable
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Ruxton something tells me moving 10-year-old wordpress to known is going to be very manual :( importing the dump isn't very useful when over half my posts are photos
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[colinwalker] Feedburner consigned to history
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[kevinmarks] Did they shut down? Or did you just turn them off for yourself?
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[colinwalker] Nah, it's still there. Just turned it off on an old feed that was redirecting.
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j4y_funabashi morning
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Loqi j4y_funabashi: snarfed left you a message 10 hours, 33 minutes ago: yup, sometimes deleted, sometimes not public (eg your /post/... example URL), and sometimes the facebook API is just inconsistent (details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/512 )
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Loqi good morning!
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j4y_funabashi snarfed: Thanks, I thought that would be the case - just wanted to check.
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jaduncan[m] snarfed: I'll just mention that it's now possible to upload to Instagram via the mobile website. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/upload-photos-to-instagram-ubuntu
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jaduncan[m] snarfed: There's the distinct possibility that Instagram may finally be a relatively normal brid.gy citizen.
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jaduncan[m] !tell snarfed I'll just mention that it's now possible to upload to Instagram via the mobile website. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/upload-photos-to-instagram-ubuntu There's the distinct possibility that Instagram may finally be a relatively normal brid.gy citizen.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Good morning, pfefferle
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GWG Always nice to see you
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[jeremycherfas] Good morning Indieweb
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[colinwalker] Hey guys
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sknebel hey
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jeremycherfas Hello
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning
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pfefferle good morning GWG
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[drkokandy] Hi everyone, I'm new. Pleased to make your acquaintance o/
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jeremycherfas I’m assuming that’s a pseudonym
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schmarty welcome, [drkokandy]! are you working on something for your personal website?
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[drkokandy] I have kind of been gradually working on developing my site for awhile using the information on the IWC site but I realized I've never joined the chat channel or introduced myself
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ben_thatmustbeme welcome [drkokandy]
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[colinwalker] ?
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[cleverdevil] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/opera-reborn-details-download/
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[cleverdevil] Interesting approach. Inching closer to what I'm really looking for: a browser that builds in IndieWeb interactions, aggregation/reading experience, etc.
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning gRegorLove
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@Tamaracks There's no need to explicitly set a Post Format in WordPress as it will automatically be set based on the Post Kind setting in" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-10 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/tamaracks-theres-no-need-to-explicitly-set-a-post-format
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dougbeal|mb1 I'm using the WP Repost javascript tool on twitter (https://twitter.com/guzzzyy/status/861968778439143426). Is there anyway to to change how the image excerpt is centered? https://dougbeal.com/?p=132&preview=true
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@guzzzyy this is the best thing I've seen all week https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ZT9c4VYAE7Gj_.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/861968778439143426)
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gRegorLove I don't think so
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gRegorLove I think it crops in equally from top and bottom
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tantek 02:37 PDT another email from Twitter saying "Your Twitter account has been locked"
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gRegorLove Wow
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gRegorLove Like, locked again? Or still?
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tantek well I was asleep so idk
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tantek replied to the Twitter support email from last night
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tantek pointed out I don't post too often, and that I post generally positive things, sent them to my # 100DoPP as an example
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tantek seeing if appealing to positivity helps
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gRegorLove Quite a headline on that ArsTechnica article. Doesn't start me off very enthused. "Opera Reborn “rethinks” the browser… with integrated WhatsApp and Facebook"
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snarfed superfeedr is down. :( https://superfeedr.com/ #hugops
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Loqi snarfed: jaduncan[m] left you a message 8 hours, 48 minutes ago: I'll just mention that it's now possible to upload to Instagram via the mobile website. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/upload-photos-to-instagram-ubuntu There's the distinct possibility that Instagram may finally be a relatively normal brid.gy citizen.
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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aaronpk oh dear
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aaronpk julien said he was going to be working on it the next couple days
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GWG Good afternoon
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dougbeal|imac o/
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Loqi dougbeal|imac: gRegorLove left you a message 2 days, 1 hour ago: jeremycherfas Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-07/1494132499838000 the URLs added in the bio field won't have rel=me on them, so can't be used for IndieAuth. Just the official website field has the rel=me
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gRegorLove \o dougbeal|imac
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gRegorLove and GWG
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dougbeal|imac Just discovered my host was set to local mail exchange... no wonder I never found out about system changes.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: so "tweeting not often" is a criterion?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: "excessive tweeting" is bad per the rules IIRC
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KartikPrabhu hence surprised at your twitter locking; all seems very weird
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tantek indeed
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miklb tantek how do you POSSE your tweets?
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miklb just wondering if not using native apps flagged you.
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tantek miklb via the API
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tantek except tweets with photos/videos I use Bridgy Publish to POSSE
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aaronpk just realized he hadn't posted IndieWeb Summit on Facebook yet
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tantek is 2017.indieweb.org auth'd with Bridgy so it can get backfeed of a FB POSSE copy event?
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aaronpk o.O
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aaronpk no, and i dont really want facebook RSVPs to look like indie RSVPs anyway ;-)
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tantek that's a good point
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tantek then 2017.indieweb.org just as the "ticket URL"
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tantek on the FB copy
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tantek and maybe in description: IMPORTANT: You must get a ticket from 2017.indieweb.org to attend! RSVPing on FB is not enough. or something like that
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/10/13/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk hm my twitter search seems to have broken
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aaronpk well just so that it expands here: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/10/13/indiewebcamp
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] We've confirmed the venue! IndieWeb Summit 2017 will be at ...?... Mozilla Portland! ?? https://2017.indieweb.org
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snarfed aaronpk++ yay!
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Loqi aaronpk has 499 karma in this channel (1313 overall)
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Loqi ?
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tantek aaronpk maybe Loqi's twitter account got locked?
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tantek :P
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk just checked, the script had crashed for some reason
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aaronpk which is also concerning because normally my polling search finds things as a backup, so i'll have to find out why that stopped too
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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