#indieweb 2017-05-11

2017-05-11 UTC
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tantek thanks for the news superfeedr! I missed that the other 10 times you mentioned it ;)
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@gRegorLove Join us! https://2017.indieweb.org https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/862452159169810432 (twitter.com/_/status/862460385324150786)
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@schmarty Photo​ for tonight's #HWC Baltimore. #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/862460389614923776/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/862460389614923776)
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[shaners] <!everyone> Any objection to me deleting the Circle CI hook on the mf2 ruby gem? It doesn’t seem to be doing anything. Each push, I get an email saying “no tests”.
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tantek no objection! I'm not even sure who the maintainers of the mf2 ruby gem are?
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@DreamHost We’re super excited to be the monthly sponsor of @indiewebcamp at our #PDX office! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/862465546616549376)
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@priya_somani_ We’re super excited to be the monthly sponsor of indiewebcamp at our #PDX office! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/862465646118002688)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "HWC Baltimore 2017-05-10 Wrap-Up" https://martymcgui.re/2017/05/10/202154/
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@biriktirdiklerm Twitter Likes and followers hack Robert Miles #indieweb Trump https://twitter.com/StwityApp/status/853228584328204289/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/862471197346353152)
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@BervaAda Twitter Likes and followers hack #Horna #indieweb #Kinver https://twitter.com/StwityApp/status/853228584328204289/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/862471222264725505)
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aaronpk wat
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aaronpk nice to have you back Loqi
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aaronpk gives Loqi an anti-spam filter
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Loqi investigates the anti-spam filter
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tantek great
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aaronpk starting intros at pdx
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aaronpk aaronpk.com
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aaronpk the last thing I added to my website is aaronpk.com/now/
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aaronpk which shows my current location, time, and how many open tabs i have
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aaronpk tegan: http://www.teux.me/
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gRegorLove Anyone here have a connection with Lindsay Goldner in Portland? I was going to invite her to IWS on Twitter, but figured I'd ask if someone actually already knew her so ti wasn't from a relative stranger.
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aaronpk ... i'm not really a web developer, but i have a jekyll site
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aaronpk ... the last thing i did was write a blog post ... in january
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aaronpk ... i am thinking about taking the blog off of my site
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aaronpk anomalily: or you could take the dates off
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aaronpk tegan: yeah it looks bad if the last post is months ago
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aaronpk anomalily: also not everyone needs to have a blog. everyone needs to have a website, but not everyone has a blog
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aaronpk anomalily: i'm lillian, anomalily.net
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aaronpk ... that's my main domain anyway. my not-based-on-a-project domain
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aaronpk ... the last thing i implemented was getting my foursquare checkins to my website with a little map
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aaronpk ... now i need to figure out how to display them on a "now" page like aaron has, or on my front page like "last seen at"
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aaronpk michelle: michellejl.com
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miklb that transit map/resume is bad ass.
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aaronpk ... the last thing i did on my site was upload some new content which broke all the images again
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aaronpk ... i'm thinking about dropping angular, since i really only did that to apply for a job
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aaronpk ... there's like 3 steps to update my site. it takes me 5 minutes to write a paragraph, but 10 minutes to upload it to my site
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aaronpk survey of what technologies people use for their sites
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aaronpk anomalily: wordpress hosted on dreamhost
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aaronpk tegan: jekyll on github pages
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aaronpk aaronpk: I wrote my own CMS in PHP. I don't recommend this for everyone.
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@gRegorLove @myriadmystic Hey Cassie, think you’ll be able to make it to IndieWeb Summit again this year? https://2017.indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/862482024195641344)
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aaronpk michelle: my site is home grown angular
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[anomalily] Hello! I want to know what awesome project pages people have on their website
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gRegorLove I've thought about adding one to document the ProcessWire Webmention plugin with screenshots 'n such, but have not gotten beyond that phase :)
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KartikPrabhu does not have an awesome project :(
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[anomalily] Thanks miklb
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gRegorLove gives KartikPrabhu an awesome project
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KartikPrabhu eyes the awesome project
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aaronpk omg Loqi is turning everyone into Loqi
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aaronpk this is how it all begins
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: it has begun
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KartikPrabhu [anomalily]: I had this one https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia about 3 years ago now!
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Marginalia
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gRegorLove About time for marginalia2?
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: I don't know what that would be; feel free to pitch ideas :P
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aaronpk :sigh: my computer crashed and chrome didn't restore my tabs womp womp https://aaronparecki.com/now/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Now
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk well since i send all my tabs to my server i can make my own restore button now
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KartikPrabhu that is one way to reset your tabs
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tantek "send all my tabs to my server" ?!?!? #ownyourtabs ?!?
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aaronpk demos!
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aaronpk http://anomalily.net/projects/
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aaronpk this is my attempt to get my overwhelming list of projects off of my home page
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aaronpk ... launched & live, not yet fully baked, projects on hiatus, past projects, failed projects
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aaronpk ... "projects on hiatus" is also partly me recognizing myself that these are on hiatus
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aaronpk tegan: i downloaded a new jekyll theme
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aaronpk ... and started migrating my content to it
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aaronpk michelle: nothing to show, but i'm trying to pick how i want to build my site to be more manageable
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aaronpk ... part of the problem is i'm a javascript developer, and there's a new javascrript framework every 6 months
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aaronpk ... so maybe i should not use a javscript framework, and just focus on the content, not how i'm displaying it
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aaronpk ... I used to do wordpress PHP, but wordpress PHP and PHP are totally different langauges
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aaronpk ... so i'm thinking i will stick with node, since it's javascript and doesn't change every 6 months
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snarfed !tell anomalily another example projects page: https://snarfed.org/software
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] software
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KartikPrabhu should make a prjects page
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[eddie] !tell michellejl are you the JavaScript developer thinking through what to do with your site from aaronpk's notes? I'm a JavaScript Dev as well.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell michellejl My setup is primarily node.js with flat file storage, right now I have a Jekyll front-end but I'm transitioning to an Angular Universal front end off of my node.js backend. This puts a lot of the code into node.js and allows me to change front end when and if needed
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[michellejl] eddie I am the JavaScript developer trying to figure out what to do with my site. It is angular 2 front end (messy! my first angular project while learning) with firebase for the database side. I am thinking node.js for the backend and maybe a mysql type database. I am not very familiar with saving data so I don’t really know what I am doing with that.
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Loqi [michellejl]: [eddie] left you a message 41 minutes ago: are you the JavaScript developer thinking through what to do with your site from aaronpk's notes? I'm a JavaScript Dev as well.
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Loqi [michellejl]: [eddie] left you a message 41 minutes ago: My setup is primarily node.js with flat file storage, right now I have a Jekyll front-end but I'm transitioning to an Angular Universal front end off of my node.js backend. This puts a lot of the code into node.js and allows me to change front end when and if needed
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[michellejl] I am thinking I want a super simple front end and a more or less stable backend that lets me focus on the content of the site instead of always worrying about the shinny newness of what framework I have for the front.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Un-Annotated by Audrey Watters" by Audrey Watters on 2017-05-11 http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/10/un-annotated-by-audrey-watters/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Webmentions for Improving Annotation and Preventing Bullying on the Web by Audrey Watters" by Audrey Watters on 2017-05-11 http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/07/webmentions-for-improving-annotation-and-preventing-bullying-on-the-web/#comment-34628
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KartikPrabhu those superfeedr pings ^^ are very misleading
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KartikPrabhu ChirsAldrich's post show up as "by Audrey Watters" even though Audrey Watters did not write them, they seems to be "annotations" by Chris Aldrich
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KartikPrabhu and the comment is by Matthias Pfefferle
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@jkphl Excited to start a 9-days event marathon tomorrow: @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf, @CoderDojoNBG #8 (virtually), @btconf, Homebrew Website Club, › (twitter.com/_/status/862570954714734592)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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@jkphl .@indiewebcamp @CoderDojoNBG @btconf «Evaluating Technology» workshop w/ @adactio and finally the @indiewebcamp Nur… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/862571252741021697 (twitter.com/_/status/862571252741021697)
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cweiske haha. genius.it does not work with application/xhtml+xml
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Loqi hehe
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cweiske http://genius.it/cweiske.de/tagebuch/php-phar-files.htm does not load the javascritp
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Working with .phar files
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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jeremycherfas !tell drkokandy Please accept myapologies; I made a foolish assumption.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske so bitbucket is going to disable github logins http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2017-05-11%20bitbucket%20phasing%20out%20github%20login.png
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j4y_funabashi l
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jeremycherfas And I just got an email from Atlassian telling me of a long-stranding security hole in sourceTree.
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jeremycherfas I can relate to this https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-11/1494465306041000
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Loqi [aaronpk] ... there's like 3 steps to update my site. it takes me 5 minutes to write a paragraph, but 10 minutes to upload it to my site
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@MicahdHoffman Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. https://indieweb.org/POSSE #blog #ContentStrategy (twitter.com/_/status/862595932185145348)
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://podcast.contrafabulists.com/2017/04/30/episode-52 (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/11/the-contrafabulists-episode-52-annotations/)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "? The Contrafabulists Episode 52: Annotations" http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/11/the-contrafabulists-episode-52-annotations/
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j4y_funabashi just working on implementing the /authorship discovery algorithm
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j4y_funabashi I'm thinking of building up a contacts list page from the authors of received webmentions.
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GWG Morning
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Loqi morning!
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j4y_funabashi morning GWG
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jeremycherfas GWG: I was wondering, why does WP ask me to approve webmention comments that I can already see on my site?
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KartikPrabhu what is twitter?
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Loqi Twitter (also known as Twitter.com) is a popular content hosting silo most well known for 140 character text notes https://indieweb.org/Twitter
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[colinwalker] jeremycherfas If you've added the function to auto-approve them WP seems to get confused especially if you have Akismet.
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jeremycherfas Thanks Colin. I have added the function. I don’t understand, but it is good to know that it isn’t an actual problem.
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GWG WordPress spam filtering of Webmentions happens before they are enhanced
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GWG I spoke to Akismet a while back
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jeremycherfas So the function comes after that filtering?
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GWG Yes, because of how early Akismet inserts itself
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GWG I may have to look at that again
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jeremycherfas No, I just found it confusing. Now that I have a vague idea of what is going on, I can just deal with it.
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miklb howdy y'all
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gRegorLove o/ miklb
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miklb late night messing around led to me inadvertently push rough work to github. Motivation I needed to get to work :-)
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@schmarty Really looking forward to IndieWeb Summit! June 24-25th in Portland, OR. Come build a web for you!… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/862720666247847936 (twitter.com/_/status/862720666247847936)
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schmarty miklb: nothing like accidentally going live to narrow your focus :D
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miklb not so much as live, as just really rough code, but yeah, now I need to at least get what's there in some semblance of respectability. Caught with my knickers down so to speak.
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miklb but I did learn that you can have a .github/config.yml file to set labels (including colors) in your repos, complete with ability for people to do pull requests to add new labels :-)
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/checkins should be fun to watch today
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[cleverdevil] For IWS, is there a place that people can list projects they're interested in collaborating on with each other?
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[cleverdevil] For day two.
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[cleverdevil] Maybe something on the wiki would be good for this.
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schmarty aaronpk: wowza!
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aaronpk Good idea! Make a section on the schedule page for day 2 and put stuff there?
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[cleverdevil] Sounds good.
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[cleverdevil] Done-zo.
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[cleverdevil] https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Sunday
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Drutopia’s mission sounds a little to me like Drupal with Indieweb philosophy baked in from the start. It&#8217;s also not too different from Backdrop CMS’s mission as a Drupal fork." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-11 http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/11/drutopiadrupalindieweb/
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@ChrisAldrich .@Drutopiaforgood's mission sounds like @Drupal with #Indieweb philosophy baked in. Reminiscent of @BackdropCMS. http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/11/drutopiadrupalindieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/862731568225374210)
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sknebel !tell aaronpk I'm half expecting the plane checkin to be updated from a flight tracker website, or is that going to far?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk wel the flight path will be posted on my site when I land
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gRegorLove For IWS day 1 session ideas, there's /2017/Sessions now as well.
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gRegorLove Cap is 50 for IWS, right?
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[jeremycherfas] !Tell aaronpk Welcome to our time zone. When you get here, obviously.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha thanks
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aaronpk gRegorLove: yep 50
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tantek FYI: http://tantek.com/2017/131/t1/twitter-account-unlocked
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Today: account @t unlocked after asking Twitter friend 24hr after support request. He escalated, vouched. Support follow-up email: " Hello, We have restored your account, and we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Twitter takes ...
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schmarty uh
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aaronpk Good post
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schmarty pretty chilling that they did not respond until you had someone internal kick it up the chain. double chilling that their response amounts to nothing more than "oops".
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gRegorLove "Twitter takes reports of violations of the Twitter Rules very seriously" [citation needed]
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Aaron Parecki on Twitter: "We've confirmed the venue! IndieWeb Summit 2017 will be at ...?... Mozilla Portland! ?? https://t.co/mdKY5miuOE"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-05-11 https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/862452159169810432
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Loqi [superfeedr] "DreamHost on Twitter: "We’re super excited to be the monthly sponsor of @indiewebcamp at our #PDX office! #IndieWeb"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-05-11 https://twitter.com/DreamHost/status/862465546616549376
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tantek And now I want to implement pinned posts
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tantek I may take some design shortcuts like only within the past bim (~2 mo)
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tantek or rather, have pinned posts auto-unpin after ~60 days
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tantek what is pinned
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Loqi pin or pinning is a feature that allows the author to choose a post to put at the top of their profile (or homepage) which is then called a pinned or sticky post https://indieweb.org/pinned
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tantek does anyone besides aaronpk have pinned posts on their site?
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tantek what is promoted
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Loqi promoted is a label indicating that some content, an account, or a hashtag has been artificially raised in prominence (typically by payment), usually in a silo https://indieweb.org/promoted
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[jeremycherfas] !tell tantek I always pin my most recent podcast episode post.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek jeremycherfas - automatically? or manually every time?
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Loqi tantek: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 1 minute ago: I always pin my most recent podcast episode post.
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tantek (as in automatically by post type?)
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[colinwalker] I've not really considered pinned posts - might be worth thinking about though ?
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aaronpk I've been using pinned posts to create little mini sites for various projects
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tantek who uses pinned posts on silos?
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aaronpk I don't like the idea of pinning a post on twitter, it feels weirdly dirty, like promoted tweets
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[colinwalker] I have a pinned post on Medium - an "About me" piece but that's all.
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tantek aaronpk so you wouldn't pin a post on your home page either then?
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aaronpk Nope
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aaronpk my home page has an "about" section on top which feels different from pinning a post but works similarly
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tantek about is more like bio
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tantek a pinned post still has its own permalink, date published, etc.
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aaronpk Ah yeah my home page section doesn't have its own prrmalink
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[eddie] I “kind” of had pinned posts? But maybe it’s just considered a secondary feed? Until yesterday I was displaying the last 3 images tagged with “project365" at the top of my homepage. So it was all automated. However I haven’t been keeping up with my project365, so I removed it
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GWG Greetings
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: what's up?
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miklb GWG the recent merges in post-kinds, can those be tested with master?
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raucao i sent an rsvp from https://updates.kip.pe/2017/-1 to the indieweb summit page earlier today, but somehow my name doesn't appear in the list
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Loqi [Sebastian Kippe] Yes: Finally a proper excuse for my yearly Portland visit.
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raucao i just tried again manually
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GWG miklb: Yes. But there is still a problem there
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miklb OK, I'll hold off
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GWG I will likely be looking at it this weekend amid other things.
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KartikPrabhu raucao: I think because it is a reply and not a rsvp
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KartikPrabhu raucao: hmm no, it is an rsvp
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gRegorLove raucao: Maybe an issue with Known sending webmentions? Try the form maybe: https://2017.indieweb.org/webmention.php
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GWG miklb: What else is going on?
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miklb meh, I've been a little all over the place. Trying to settle in on theme work tonight.
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aaronpk raucao: if you try with the form at https://2017.indieweb.org/webmention it should give you more info
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raucao cool thx
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raucao huh, that worked
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raucao i posted with known earlier (which sends webmentions) and i used the ff extension for sending one
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raucao anyway, thanks :)
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aaronpk Strange!
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gRegorLove I think Known has some bugs sending webmentions. Someone was having trouble sending them to my site a couple months ago.
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gRegorLove There's a Firefox extension for sending wm?
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gRegorLove Aha /Webmention-developer#Firefox_Addon
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miklb throws out obligatory `known bug` joke
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GWG gRegorLove: I installed that, I think.
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