#indieweb 2017-05-12

2017-05-12 UTC
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aaronpk with any luck, I can now check in to flights and you'll be able to follow my flight the whole way
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aaronpk gonna cross my fingers and hope this works, I won't be able to tell for sure until I land in 10 hours!
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miklb safe travels
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aaronpk Thanks! Check https://aaronparecki.com/checkins in about an hour
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dougbeal|mb1 ?
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@ChrisAldrich Happy 3rd Birthday @WithKnown! #indieweb #edtech https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/862871628602068992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/862871628602068992)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Happy 3rd Birthday @WithKnown! #indieweb #edtech" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-12 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/happy-3rd-birthday-withknown-indieweb-edtech
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-12.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronpk Oh crap I forgot to add the picture!
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wagle is trapped in an infinite maze of twisty css style files
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wagle oh wait
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wagle gets a clue
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wagle eeet almost fits now!
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wagle yargh, fighting wordpress itself now, not the theme
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Today #FamiliesMoveEU I'll be on one of the panel to present @HWCbrussels https://hwc.brussels/ talk about what we do + hint #indieweb" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-05-12 https://www.rmendes.net/2017/today-familiesmoveeu-ill-be-on-one-of-the-panel-to
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[kevinmarks] Tonight https://upcoming.org/event/kevins-in-london-drinks-vcday5lvcs
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wagle pyrrhic victory is MINE!
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wagle (squished, its a bit ugly)
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pfefferle good morning
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Loqi good morning!
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[colinwalker] Morning pfefferle
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pfefferle hey colinwalker
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@sebastiangreger We're back on a bi-weekly schedule! Wed 17.5. 19:00: 7th Homebrew Website Club Berlin (location tba later) #indieweb http://sebastiangreger.net/2017/05/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-05-17/ (twitter.com/_/status/862948878949257216)
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@btconf One more day! Then @indiewebcamp, @mozillla roadshow, @sipgate warm-up and everything starts for #btconf 2017 in DUS – yay! (twitter.com/_/status/862949428512141312)
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j4y_funabashi morning indieweb
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sknebel morning!
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[jeremycherfas] Hello all. How would I go about sending a webmention to my local development instance?
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cweiske curl
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[jeremycherfas] Could you expand, please
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[jeremycherfas] Would this work https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger
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Loqi [voxpelli] node-webmention-testpinger: A tool to ping your site with a variety of real world WebMentions
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cweiske see https://indieweb.org/webmention-implementation-guide
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cweiske the "now to send the webmention" command
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks
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voxpelli [jeremycherfas]: that pinger of mine is built for that specific purpose
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voxpelli And contains a wide variety of sites that will all be pinged to your local endpoint and mention the URL you want it to mention
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voxpelli I use it all the time when developing my endpoint
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@calum_ryan Rotterdam ? Utrecht ? Düsseldorf #IndieWebCamp Keine sitze, zum Bordbistro! https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/862978205921288193/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/862978205921288193)
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@tech_we_trust If you can get yourself to Porland OR for the weekend, check out the @indiewebcamp Summit, June 24-25 https://2017.indieweb.org #webwewant (twitter.com/_/status/862981549561720836)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on @Mentions by Jimmy Baum" by Jimmy Baum on 2017-05-12 http://boffosocko.com/mentions/#comment-34639
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petermolnar markdown users: I nearly ever recommend something but this is pretty impressive so far: https://typora.io/
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@jkphl @bastianallgeier @btconf @Pinboard Maciej, you should have a look at http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ There are plenty of gr… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/863006995900661761 (twitter.com/_/status/863006995900661761)
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Zegnat If Maciej makes it to IWC Berlin I am going to be royally pissed that I was unable to make ends meet.
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[jeremycherfas] I don’t siuppose he’ll be in Nürnberg either.
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[jeremycherfas] Following instructions here https://indieweb.org/webmention-implementation-guide curl apparently finds an endpoint, but then when I try to send the webmention, says it cannot find the endpoint.
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Zegnat Are you sure it finds a correct endpoint? Or is it a true “apparently”?
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[jeremycherfas] I am not absolutely certain. But I think I may have found the problem. This is with Grav, and the plugin author uses it on his own site. On my site, the page `/mentions` gives a 404. On his site the page `https://www.perlkonig.com/mentions` exists, and contains a brief message.
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[jeremycherfas] I will try to create that page now on my own site.
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Zegnat [jeremycherfas], if you want a second pair of eyes, I am happy to try and send you a mention
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[jeremycherfas] My main problem here is that I am trying to get this working on a local development site, rather than on the live site (because I am worried about breaking the live site). That is giving me the most trouble. I think I should just take the risk of working on the live site.
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Zegnat There isn’t a whole lot of risk when you are just adding the few webmention discovery tags, but I get where you comming from
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[jeremycherfas] Would you mind sending a webmention to https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/just-a-little-pat-on-the-back
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Loqi Just a little pat on the back
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks
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[jeremycherfas] This is a plugin, and what I really need to do is display the results it is receiving. That’s where the risk arises ?
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Zegnat “Your webmention has been recieved and will be processed later.”
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[jeremycherfas] Cool. Now to see at my end.
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Zegnat Definitely something wrong.
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Zegnat This is the URL I get to check its status: https://www.jeremycherfas.net/mentions/ffa357452902960f89b6c0b4d4c6d557
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Zegnat But that mentioner is not me.
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[jeremycherfas] Why is that definitely wrong?
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Zegnat Actual mentioner should be: https://licit.li/5915b954ba4dc
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Zegnat Probably switch to -dev if we need to do some debugging
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[jeremycherfas] OK. That’s a comment from Chris Aldrich. Let me ask you to send a mention to another post.
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[jeremycherfas] Could you try this one. https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/slogging-away
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Loqi Slogging away
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[jeremycherfas] I’ll go to -dev
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[sebsel] Good morning Indieweb and good afternoon Düsseldorf :)
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@webrocker @adactio looking very much forward to meeting you and the folks at the @indiewebcamp this weekend - safe travels (twitter.com/_/status/863035117543071745)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The state of blogging, update: recovery and discovery" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-12 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/12/the-state-of-blogging-update-recovery-and-discovery/
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[colinwalker] @petermolnar I don't do much writing on my laptop but downloaded Typora a while back. It's pretty nice.
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petermolnar it's a thing that seems to be capable of handling markdown/plain text tables + footnotes, which are both rare
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Zegnat That does look good! I mostly just write markdown in whatever editor I have handy, and read it through http://marked2app.com/ (with a custom Tufte CSS style).
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skippy i take notes in NValt. love it.
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petermolnar anyone has any idea how to ask headless chrome to dump the page __after__ it's rendered?
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petermolnar because I can make it work as a shitty wget, with --dump-dom
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petermolnar but that's kind of not the point
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@btconf Dear @adactio – welcome to Düsseldorf for the #IndieWebCamp and #btconf. Weather is nice and we'll meet soon. Enjoy your stay! (twitter.com/_/status/863056384367239168)
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sknebel can you hook into JS events? e.g. watch for onloaded or something? I know webmemex just waits 2 seconds after that for something similar
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petermolnar I ran --headless the first time ever and I was expecting an output of the rendered docs, but apparently, that's not the case.
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@btconf Welcome to Düsseldorf to @aaronpk. Enjoy the sunshine and see you tomorrow at the #IndieWebCamp and #btconf! (twitter.com/_/status/863068026064838656)
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[colinwalker] Who mentioned building a directory based on the webmentions they received?
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sknebel j4y_funabashi
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j4y_funabashi hello sknebel
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sknebel ^^^ your name was the answer to a question above
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j4y_funabashi oh right, yep [colinwalker] I am planning to build a /contacts page from the authors of webmentions sent to me
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j4y_funabashi and probably ones I send once I start sending them
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j4y_funabashi then I will prolly use that list to populate person-tags in my micropub client
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[jeremycherfas] !tell zegnat is that Tufte CSS for Marked2 available publicly?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[colinwalker] @j4y_funabashi that's right - it sounds like an interesting prospect. I'm wondering about the possibility of something like a webmentions based directory of sorts to enhance organic discovery between blogs ?
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sknebel sort of like a blogroll is a list of people you follow, a list of people you've been talking to?
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aaronpk that's a neat idea
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aaronpk like a mentions page, but just listing individual people rather than the list of posts
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[colinwalker] Not just that but a way of letting visitors discover other bloggers that may publish about similar content - discovery is a bitch
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[colinwalker] Probably have to get the details (author url maybe) and write it to the database or a custom post type (I'm obviously thinking WordPress as that's what I use) then list these on a page and check existing values before creating a new entry.
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[colinwalker] And what if this could be centralised to a degree?
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miklb [colinwalker] if you are using semantic linkbacks, all of that should already be comments/commentsmeta tables
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miklb er, not semantic linkbacks
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miklb confusing sending/receiving webmentions
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miklb but still should be in the db
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@webrocker Komplett leerer ICE Wagen … @indiewebcamp @btconf here I come :-)) https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/863078292571787264/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863078292571787264)
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miklb a [colinwalker] if need help cooking up a template to grab that info, just ping me.
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@m_ott @webrocker @indiewebcamp @btconf Läuft bei der Bahn. ? https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/863078553008648192/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863078553008648192)
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@jkphl @webrocker @indiewebcamp @btconf Gute Reise! :) (twitter.com/_/status/863080592610603008)
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@webrocker @m_ott @indiewebcamp @btconf bist du schon wieder heimlich in ffm? in *meinem* zug?! :)) (twitter.com/_/status/863080987022045186)
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[colinwalker] miklb cool :) yeah, was probably thinking of using that as a base. Gonna be busy over the weekend so probably won't have time to start looking for a bit.
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miklb [colinwalker] only issue I can think of is that actual replies aren't stored as a webmention type so filtering a native comment vs a webmention reply could be tricky
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[colinwalker] miklb I do t have native comments (luckily) but I know what you mean - will have to have a play and see what can be done.
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@faulancr Hello Köln. Getter closer to @indiewebcamp and @btconf cu tomorrow. (twitter.com/_/status/863098585138819073)
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb. Well, almost. (Pacific)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @ChrisAldrich" by Scott Kingery on 2017-05-12 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-chrisaldrich-3/
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Did your checkins thing work during your flight?
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@marcthiele Done! Now setup on Sunday and #IndieWebCamp tomorrow. Cheers everybody and see you! https://www.instagram.com/p/BUANIA4jJ1N/ (twitter.com/_/status/863106212807704576)
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@raretrack @ChrisAldrich @WithKnown! Happy 3rd birthday - I joined #Known on September 14th 2014, so 4 days after you Chris :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/863112310662897664)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@ChrisAldrich @WithKnown! Happy 3rd birthday - I joined #Known on September 14th 2014, so 4 days after you Chris :) #indieweb" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-05-12 http://raretrack.uk/2017/chrisaldrich-withknown-happy-3rd-birthday---i-joined-known-on
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bear if you run any windows servers or laptops be aware: https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/an-nsa-derived-ransomware-worm-is-shutting-down-computers-worldwide/
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sknebel if it's really only the "NSA-vulnerability", it's sad to see so many orgs behind on patches (well, NHS apparently still is running XP, without a support contract with MS)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-12.html
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aaronpk gRegorLove: sadly did not. It couldn't find the flight info from the number I entered!
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gRegorLove aaronpk: btw, noticed in Chrome on iPad your checkins look a bit off. The "at [place]" text" is too far left, overlays your photo.
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gRegorLove Can't seem to duplicate on desktop Chrome though
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aaronpk That's odd. They look fine on an iPhone too
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sknebel Chrome on ipad is the safari renderer
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gRegorLove Looks the same in Safari, just checked
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gRegorLove iOS 9.3.5, so maybe something fixed in 10
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aaronpk oh yeah that's pretty old
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aaronpk and i think that part uses flexbox
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-12.html
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tantek and aaronpk is on a plane AFAIK so that's it!
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tantek HWC photos this week are on point!
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tantek so much color!
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tantek and apparently I forgot to set the venue for HWC SF next week?!?
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tantek pings benwerd to see if about deciding between MozSF and MatterVC
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tantek (since the Newsletter doesn't say)
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gRegorLove tantek: I think it's because Joschi started the 05-17 HWC page so it doesn't have all the normal defaults
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tantek oh no
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gRegorLove I can set up 5-31 and the June ones, just let me know which page/revision to base it on.
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tantek I think what we've been using has been pretty good, so perhaps 2017-05-03?
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gRegorLove Use that same image. or the one from 4-19?
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tantek (that latest "stable / comprehensive" version? I've been trying to comment stuff out for non-meetings rather than deleting)
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gRegorLove I haven't been keeping up with the HWC pages in April
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@veganstraightedge The microformats Ruby parser has been completely rewritten and is almost completely spec compliant. https://github.com/indieweb/microformats2-ruby (twitter.com/_/status/863151253911511040)
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tantek ooh good question - any of the april or may photos outdo that classic one from PDX with anomalily laughing?
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gRegorLove Oh hey, nice HWC printout: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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gRegorLove 5-03 photo looks pretty friendly to me. 4-19 looks like a lot of fun.
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gRegorLove Could rotate between them every other HWC :)
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tantek their featured photos right? yeah those two are the best recent two for sure.
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tantek rotate between the two sounds good
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tantek maybe the first HWC of the month use the PDX photo, and other HWCs use the SF photo? (until someone else posts a HWC photo with 7+ people)
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tantek bummed to be missing IWC DÜS but hoping to participate remotely! Not sure how I'm going to sleep this weekend
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gRegorLove is looking forward to the event discussion at /2017/Leaders
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gRegorLove These HWC pages are getting more unwieldy, heh
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tantek more? oh dear
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tantek I thought we had somehow simplified things as we started growing # of venues
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-12.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/863155590373101568/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863155590373101568)
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tantek ^^^ lol aaronpk got cut out of the default photo view of the PDX photo in that tweet
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gRegorLove It's not too bad, just a bit more cognitive load to think about each HWCs meeting schedule
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tantek ah yes, since we now have more regular monthly vs biweekly meetups
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tantek and first W of month vs rotating biweekly W which only sometimes overlap!
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gRegorLove Should RSVP section cities be alphabetical or "Earlier events (absolute timeline) listed first." (same as "Where") ?
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tantek one ordering seems friendlier? but would look weird without labeling the clusters
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tantek should we collapse where and RSVP?
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tantek since not many people add their names to the wiki anyway?
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gRegorLove Hmm, good point.
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tantek thinking the RSVP lines could be collapsed to one per venue
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gRegorLove Let me save this revision...
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tantek (by default that is, the parts that link to the indie event, POSSE copies)
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tantek and then only nested list items for people that want to add themselves
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[colinwalker] @miklb Decided to start working on it anyway :wink: names and links, filtering duplicates https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5CAQBYQ0/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=cf521dfc2e&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg
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gRegorLove Ok, /events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club, didn't touch the RSVP ordering yet
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tantek great
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gRegorLove tantek: Want to try collapsing that? ^ I'm not sure I follow what you mean exactly.
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tantek sure!
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tantek how about I prototype it with 2017-05-17 since that has actual people RSVPd and fewer venues so it'll be easier to "try out"?
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gRegorLove sounds good
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on About Chris Aldrich by Taggart Siegel and Jon Betz" by Taggart Siegel and Jon Betz on 2017-05-12 http://boffosocko.com/about/#comment-34643
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on ? Margin Call (Lionsgate, 2012) by Taggart Siegel and Jon Betz" by Taggart Siegel and Jon Betz on 2017-05-12 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/08/margin-call-lions-gate-2012/#comment-34644
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on ? Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House (RKO Radio Pictures, 1948) by Taggart Siegel and Jon Betz" by Taggart Siegel and Jon Betz on 2017-05-12 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/09/mr-blandings-builds-his-dream-house-rko-radio-pictures-1948/#comment-34645
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Review and notes from The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo by What Chris Aldrich is doing Now" by What Chris Aldrich is doing Now on 2017-05-12 http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/09/the-life-changing-magic-of-tidying-up-by-marie-kondo/#comment-34646
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tantek gRegorLove: for your review https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club
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tantek compare roughly with https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club&oldid=36494
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tantek (since I did the multi-edit thing and added content while re-orging)
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gRegorLove I think it looks good. Will we need more visual separation for the dates when there's more cities?
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tantek the dates? plural? only one date per page right?
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tantek feel free to tweak if that's easier to show what you mean
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gRegorLove oops. s/dates/cities/
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tantek ah - yes
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tantek or add a little graphic for each
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tantek we could make hashtags for each too, like HWC_BER, HWC_NUR, HWC_SF
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tantek and let you pick one for HWC_BHA
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gRegorLove The ability to link to each city is nice, so maybe I'm imagining an issue where there isn't one.
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tantek a thumbnail image of the venue, or map to where the venue is could be nice too
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tantek like floated left just under the heading for a city, maybe 3-4 lines of text tall at the most
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gRegorLove Refresh. Tried an <hr> between cities.
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gRegorLove Yeah, that'd be good
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gRegorLove Wonder if we could use http://atlas.p3k.io/ and MediaWiki template that takes in the address and displays a map
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tantek the <hr>s look good
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tantek shall we let that bake for 24-48 hrs and see how people respond to it before updating 2017-05-31 etc.?
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tantek all: what do you think of the merged Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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tantek I suppose it's worth polling organizers explicitly
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sknebel seems fine to me – but we only had at max 3 or 4 people rsvp-ing on the wiki
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tantek sknebel: exactly. that's why I think the collapsing works
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gRegorLove Looks like Atlas isn't working for geocoding, unless the API has changed: http://atlas.p3k.io/map/img?marker[]=location:920%20SW%203rd%20Ave,%20Portland,%20OR;icon:small-blue-cutout&basemap=gray&width=600&height=240&zoom=14
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gRegorLove But it works for lat/lng
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gRegorLove http://atlas.p3k.io/map/img?marker[]=lat:45.5165;lng:-122.6764;icon:small-blue-cutout&basemap=gray&width=600&height=240&zoom=14
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tantek !tell aaronpk,jkphl,benwerd,kevinmarks,adactio,chrisaldrich,funwhilelost,schmarty,calumryan,tommorris what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty likes that there are fewer sections to edit with combined RSVPs
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Loqi schmarty: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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@webrocker t-minus neun bis zum @indiewebcamp düsseldorf @btconf #ouch ? (twitter.com/_/status/863171109981757440)
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@btconf @webrocker @indiewebcamp viel Spaß eich noch. BIs morgen früh. (twitter.com/_/status/863171232728010753)
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KevinMarks That is an improvement
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 45 minutes ago: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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