#indieweb 2017-05-13

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davidmead anyone use @pfefferle SemPress theme and benn having issues?
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tantek what is SemPress?
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Loqi SemPress is a highly semantic WordPress Theme with HTML5 templates, responsive and seo optimized https://indieweb.org/SemPress
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tantek oh nice
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davidmead It’s been great @tantek. I’ve opened some issues on github, but i just wondered if anyone here has been having issues with the update
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tantek davidmead: could you add an "IndieWeb Examples" section on https://indieweb.org/SemPress and list yourself to start with? That way maybe we can collect more people that are using it (and have a wiki way to answer your question in the future :) )
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davidmead done :-)
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[tamaracks] @davidmead I use SenPress (also by pfefferle), which is a child theme of SemPress, and I haven’t seen any issues. But it could be due to one of the differences the child introduces.
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davidmead There was just a recent update. I’ve been using it for ages so I can’t remember if the issues are “normal” and I coded around them, if it’s a change to how the theme now works :-( I ay have to grab the old version from GitHub and see if that helps
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[tamaracks] Yes, I did update SemPress.
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ben_thatmustbeme haha! can tell IWC tomorrow that microformats2-ruby parser has just been release
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Loqi rofl
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GWG Hello, ben_thatmustbeme
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[chrisaldrich] tantek++ for changes in layout of HWC, I've been meaning to do something like that myself for a while.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 29 minutes ago: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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lukasros Good morning IndieWeb! I'm on a train on my way to IWC Düsseldorf.
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@btconf Good Morning. #IndieWebCamp day 1! Meet us at 9:00 in the @sipgate office to get ready for the @indiewebcamp. (twitter.com/_/status/863261776296779776)
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@derSchepp @btconf @sipgate @indiewebcamp Have a great day! (twitter.com/_/status/863263972916473859)
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aaronpk Good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 15 minutes ago: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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aaronpk That probably makes sense, makes it easier to ignore the rest of the page if you only are looking for one city info
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[tamaracks] Good evening. ?
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@faulancr First. @btconf @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/faulancr/status/863283747029999616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863283747029999616)
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@btconf This way to the #IndieWebCamp at @sipgateDE, this way please … (follow the red #btconf flag) https://twitter.com/btconf/status/863286945425895424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863286945425895424)
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@m_ott A wonderful first day to everyone at the #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf! Looking forward to joining you tomorrow. ? (twitter.com/_/status/863287823314685952)
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@charis @faulancr @btconf @indiewebcamp Have funnnn! (twitter.com/_/status/863288307500826624)
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@jkphl Good morning! #IndieWebCamp day 1 setup @sipgate #btconf https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/863290503089057792/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863290503089057792)
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@btconf We got the sun back for you! #btconf #IndieWebCamp https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/863290503089057792 (twitter.com/_/status/863291217756467200)
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@faulancr What a setup @indiewebcamp <3 @btconf <3 @sipgate https://twitter.com/faulancr/status/863292809671004160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863292809671004160)
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@justinavery @btconf @sipgate @indiewebcamp Wish I was over there for this. NEXT TIME!!!! (twitter.com/_/status/863295677542957056)
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[colinwalker] Good morning all
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aaronpk Good morning!
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adactio Greetings from Düsseldorf!
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 2 days ago: any photos from the Brighton or London HWC 2017-05-03? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-03-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 28 minutes ago: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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[jeremycherfas] !tell lukasros I hope you have a great time.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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lukasros Thanks Jeremy!
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Loqi lukasros: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 2 minutes ago: I hope you have a great time.
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@webrocker So, mögen die Spiele beginnen… #bconf #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/863299463900803072/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863299463900803072)
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@LukasRosenstock #IndieWebCamp (@ sipgate GmbH - @sipgatede in Düsseldorf w/ @aaronpk @jkphl) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/0ZckHWkCZvk https://twitter.com/LukasRosenstock/status/863302299703267328/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863302299703267328)
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@Digitalkapitaen Just today a friends drawing (nudity) was removed by #Facebook. One more reason why I am @IndieWebCampDE @sipgateDE today! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/863303181131972608)
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@jkphl .@adactio and @aaronpk kicking off the #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf day 1 @sipgateDE https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/863304449644691456/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863304449644691456)
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@eay IndieWebCamp, Day 1. (@ sipgate GmbH - @sipgatede in Düsseldorf) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/dgtuokECpsV (twitter.com/_/status/863304583619203072)
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@Digitalkapitaen Today @IndieWebCampDE: It took 24 minutes until dev tools are open and (html) source code is shown. Love it! #DeveloperAtHeart (twitter.com/_/status/863309677580472320)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Loqi Zegnat: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 15 hours, 54 minutes ago: is that Tufte CSS for Marked2 available publicly?
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Zegnat Who is putting Düsseldorf into IRC for me today? ;)
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[kevinmarks] jeremycherfas see https://github.com/ChristopherA/LifeWithAlacrityBlog/tree/master/blog/themes/indie-tufte
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@jkphl Session planning @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf 2017 #btconf https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/863320738794754048/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863320738794754048)
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[andreasnebiker] #indieweb DUS17 Session: Serviceworkers: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/iwcdus17_serviceworker
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@Digitalkapitaen Implementing #ServiceWorkers is like doing a Man-In-The-Middle-Attack on your website says @adactio @IndieWebCampDE (twitter.com/_/status/863322001934602241)
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gRegorLove Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3XXyAH4qs
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Zegnat Lets see how much bandwidth the livestream eats.
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Zegnat sebsel next to [andreasnebiker]?
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sebsel yep
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@AlexSherekin https://ti.to/tollwerk/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-2017 (twitter.com/_/status/863325379381088256)
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sebsel We're in a session about ServiceWorkers. There's Indieweb basics / buildingblocks in the next room
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aaronpk any remote people want to transcribe this schedule grid to the wiki? https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/13/14/schedule
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Schedule grid for day 1 of IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/13/14/photo.jpg
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@calum_ryan IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2017 under way! The schedule planning #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/863325781866541056)
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Zegnat I can get on that after breakfast, aaronpk
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Zegnat If nobody beads me to it. sknebel, you remotely participating?
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[jeremycherfas] !tell kevinmarks Thank you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@calum_ryan IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2017 under way! The schedule planning #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/863326291981996032/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863326291981996032)
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Zegnat [jeremycherfas]: my Marked2 specific stylesheet is not publicly available. Way too much still untested cases in there for me to share it. But just the default tuftecss goes a long way.
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks. I think I can work with the basics that kevinmarks pointed me to.
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gRegorLove Hah. "Monsters, mailboxes, and other nonsense"
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[jeremycherfas] But for now I have something else to work on. Just that I like Tufte’s own presentation quite a lot, so I’m interested.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@ChrisAldrich @WithKnown! Happy 3rd birthday - I joined #Known on September 14th 2014, so 4 days after you Chris :) #indieweb" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-05-12 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/chrisaldrich-withknown-happy-3rd-birthday---i-joined-known-on
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Zegnat Glenn isn’t in Düsseldorf this year? That’s too bad for this particular session :(
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@calum_ryan Discussing an #offline approach (specifically what are and what #serviceworkers do for your website) #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/863327614609575936/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863327614609575936)
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Zegnat Working on the schedule grid now
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aaronpk thanks!
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Zegnat stream seems to have hick-ups sometimes. Wondering if that is me or you
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Zegnat ( Turbolinks https://github.com/turbolinks/turbolinks )
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Loqi [turbolinks] turbolinks: Turbolinks makes navigating your web application faster
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aaronpk i see a glitch on my end from a couple minutes ago
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Zegnat What hastag will be used for 14:30-left? aaronpk?
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aaronpk how bout #hardware
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Zegnat Alright
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Zegnat There were two, so I was slightly confused
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule is up
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aaronpk Zegnat++ thanks!
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Zegnat I turned Lunch into Group Photo and Lunch ;)
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aaronpk ?
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Zegnat aaronpk, do we want all the “hashtags” to link to etherpads?
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aaronpk that'd be great!
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Zegnat ’cause that could be set-up right now
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Zegnat Using /iwcdus17_>{hashtag} for all, I would assume?
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Zegnat Someone will have to inform the people there to use that scheme
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aaronpk normally we just do the hashtag
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Zegnat Isn’t that going to conflict with older sessions?
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Zegnat Or do we not care for the archive?
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aaronpk yeah that's fine, we just move the older session down or delete it once it's on the wiki
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Zegnat Alright, just the tags then, links coming right up
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sebsel The notes go to the wiki as well right?
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aaronpk yeah, the etherpad is just a temporary location
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Zegnat At the ennd of the day, will copy all the etherpads to the wiki
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Zegnat closes livestream, it has already eaten 100 megs out of his daily allowance
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aaronpk heh
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Zegnat In fact, just ping me at the end of the day when you guys go for a drink at the river and I will copy the etherpads ;)
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Zegnat All tags have been etherpad-linked. The Start session has not used /start though (?). aaronpk, please tell everyone to use the linked etherpads if they can :D
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aaronpk thank you!
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Zegnat is taking his remote participation seriously
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Zegnat haha
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Loqi awesome
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gRegorLove The same hashtags can be good to help find previous discussion on the topic
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gRegorLove After dumping I leave a little comment block with link to the wiki, better than just deleting: E.g. https://etherpad.indieweb.org/serviceworkers
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Zegnat That’s a good practise gRegorLove. Making a note of your syntax, so I would be able to follow that if I end up dumping todat’s etherpads.
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Zegnat s/todat/today/
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gRegorLove More on https://indieweb.org/etherpad
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Zegnat Do note that the wiki pages may not actually be *actual* archives. I think I have rewritten an etherpad dump to a proper page at least once.
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gRegorLove Happy camping! Time for some zzzz
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gRegorLove Oh, yeah, definitely wiki pages get improved. Could say
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gRegorLove "Dumped to" instead
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Zegnat I’ll put your snippet on /etherpad. It is a good one.
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[andreasnebiker] The Etherpad for our next session: The IndieWeb-State of CMS: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/iwcdus17_stateofcms
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@html5test Nice postcards at @sipgate during the #IndieWebCamp https://twitter.com/html5test/status/863334634783899648/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863334634783899648)
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Zegnat [andreasnebiker], so you are going with the prefix for etherpads?
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Zegnat I will fix the wiki link.
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Zegnat Anyone know if checkins is using #checkins for their pad?
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Zegnat [andreasnebiker]: cms link on schedule has been updated
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Zegnat Looks like #checkins is in the right pad. Good stuff.
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Jeena Wow, really good sound in the stream
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Jeena https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3XXyAH4qs
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Zegnat This is going to change my life: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/12/better-github-searching/ . No more search results from tests <3
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sknebel good morning!
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Zegnat Good morning sknebel!
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Zegnat Any plans for IWC Düsseldorf, sknebel?
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sknebel Zegnat: I'll probably hack a bit on my site, as normal, and maybe peek into the streams occasionally (and of course try to watch the demos at the end), but I have other stuff to do this weekend (and if I don't get around to that, I should have gotten the first train 4.30am to DUS today, that'd been more effective participation ;))
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Zegnat Haha, true
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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sknebel do you have any projects? I saw a screenshot of an activity-tracking thing(?)?
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Zegnat Yes, that’s my project.
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Zegnat Facebook allows you to put activities on your posts, and I really like that. I am trying to get a thing like that going myself.
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Zegnat If you do not know the FB app, sknebel: http://zegnat.net/tmp/fb.png
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sknebel I did not, thx. So that's not a post on it's own, but an attached property of one (like "I wrote this/took this picture while ...")?
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Zegnat The icons shown there are default. But if I pick “Watching” and enter a TV program, the icon on my actual post will change over to a TV.
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Zegnat In case of FB, it is attached, yes. Because Facebook would still like you to post a status update. Though I am not sure if they actually require one.
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@schoschie At #indiewebcamp #dusseldorf #iwc with @aaronpk @adactio @marcthiele and many others! Nice! https://twitter.com/schoschie/status/863352920296886276/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863352920296886276)
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Zegnat Example post from earlier this week: http://zegnat.net/tmp/fb2.png
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Zegnat Facebook added the Eurovision “card” to the bottom of my post themselves.
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Zegnat sknebel, another good example, a FB friend of mine just posted a /food and /checkin combined: http://zegnat.net/tmp/fb3.png
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Zegnat Here FB changed the eating icon to match the meal.
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sknebel that's clever
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[colinwalker] First quick pass at a directory pulled from webmentions. Not relying on Semantic Linkbacks to make it a bit more generic. Needs prettying up but works okay.
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[colinwalker] https://colinwalker.blog/directory/
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Loqi Colin Walker colin@colinwalker.blog Thinker, writer, ideas man. Blogger & microcaster.
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@html5test A little unexpected and unprepared, but I'm going to talk a bit about monsters, mailboxes and other nonsense at #IndieWebCamp in an hour. (twitter.com/_/status/863357527618191360)
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sknebel [colinwalker]++ nice
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sknebel What is current schedule?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "current schedule" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel current schedule is /2017/Düsseldorf/Schedule
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Loqi ok
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[colinwalker] Thanks @sknebel
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Zegnat Does that auto-update, [colinwalker]? If I send you a webmention, do I automatically show up?
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[colinwalker] @zegnat it doesn't react in real-time if you leave the page open but you will show next time the page is loaded.
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[colinwalker] Real-time updating would be cool though, wouldn't it!
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Zegnat I didn’t expect the page to update itself, I meant on refresh. Interesting. I wonder if that isn’t likely to get spammed.
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[colinwalker] Isn't everything ?
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sknebel is it more spam-risky than just the normal display of WMs? (assuming you have something like that, we both don't yet ;))
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[colinwalker] It just pulls the same data that lists comments on posts but puts them in one place and filters for duplicates. I don't have a "send me a webmention" form anywhere on my site so it relies on people being set up to send.
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Zegnat It depends on how wide you accept webmentions. You might accept webmentions on your homepage, those will not show up as text under any post and are harder to detect as spam. If those suddenly show links on the directory that is a prime way for people to get you to link to them.
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Zegnat I do show up a little weird on that directory: https://colinwalker.blog/directory/
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Loqi Colin Walker colin@colinwalker.blog Thinker, writer, ideas man. Blogger & microcaster.
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[colinwalker] Yeah, that is a bit weird - it just uses what the author name comes through as
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Zegnat That definitely shouldn’t be the author name on my post. It has taken the contents of the TITLE tag.
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Zegnat afk for a minute, grabbing lunch
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[colinwalker] It could be the existing issues with detection in various plugins
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Zegnat Or an issue with my mark-up, which is definitely not an impossibility. Wouldn’t be the first time I am stretching things with my mark-up.
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sknebel http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F5916f3d8358bd looks fine
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sknebel but there is no author on the post object
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sknebel just on the entire page
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[colinwalker] Yeah the u-author is outside the h-entry
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sknebel I'm not sure if that's ok on a permalink page or not, consumer-friendlier would be to have a p-author set
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@neonmoire Monday 15 May, starts @btconf. We talked w/ founder @marcthiele about organizing the #conference https://www.neonmoire.com/blog/46/marc-thiele-the-man-behind-beyond-tellerrand #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/863364054823448577)
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[colinwalker] I just edited the name in the comment ;)
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Zegnat I believe my page works with the authorship algo
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Zegnat What is authorship?
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Loqi authorship is a claim about who the author(s) of a post are https://indieweb.org/authorship
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Zegnat pin13 doesn’t follow the algo, IIRC, as it is a mf2 parser only
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aaronpk ah yeah Zegnat's site is tricky
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aaronpk gotta recognize the rel=author on the page, then find the h-card that matches
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aaronpk [colinwalker]: I recommend reading through https://indieweb.org/authorship
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aaronpk hm maybe we need some test pages that hit all the cases on that page
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Zegnat I like to treat my entire site as one huge test case for other people’s work ;)
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[jeremycherfas] Making progress on getting webmentions displayed on my Grav site. Seems like a good moment to break for lunch.
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ben_thatmustbeme I won't be around today, but feel free to announce the mf2 Ruby parser just got a complete rewrite. Now fully works
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[colinwalker] aaronpk I'm just relying on the webmentions plugin rather than doing anything manually. Could try a version pulling the data from Semantic Linkbacks instead. Will check my DB tables later to see what that detects.
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aaronpk oh this is the wordpress plugin?
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[colinwalker] custom template
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Zegnat [colinwalker], which webmentions plugin are you using? Maybe authorship is a known bug, or maybe we have to file a new bug report
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[andreasnebiker] Is there an etherpad for the "distributed indieauth" session?
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[andreasnebiker] Oh I see... I just (finally) realise that all etherpads are already linked. Feeling super stupid now ? Sry.
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Zegnat [andreasnebiker], no problem. If you know about a session that has been using an etherpad with a different name then the one linked, let me know and I will update the wiki!
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sknebel (what is the hardware session about?)
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sknebel (they haven't started their etherpad yet)
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[colinwalker] I'm using Ryan's webmentions plugin
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[colinwalker] aaronpk Hmmm. Your's isn't showing will check my logic.
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@webrocker a VERY misleading impression of how great the 1st quarter of the #IndieWebCamp weekend in Düsseldorf actually is :) https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/863375409987145728/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863375409987145728)
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Zegnat Hmm, Facebook makes it pretty hard to hide all PII easily with CSS.
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[colinwalker] aaronpk I wonder if it's because it's not been recognised as a webmention. Will check the database later.
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[colinwalker] D'oh! The webmentions plugin is by pfefferle
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[colinwalker] Ryan's is the micropub plugin
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sknebel oh, sebastian is in Düsseldorf? I missed that :/ Gotta watch the the recording of the #indieauth session then
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sknebel what is current schedule?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/current_schedule
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aaronpk Groups will be streamed next
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Zegnat aaronpk, random, but, why are you using 3 character country codes? (DEU for Germany?)
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aaronpk where is that?
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aaronpk oh in the location on my posts
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aaronpk that's what comes back from the geocoder :shrug:
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@webrocker #IndieWebCamp Day one, mir raucht der Kopf… #btconf https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/863386542148124672/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863386542148124672)
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@jkphl The 1st photos of @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf 2017 are online for your viewing pleasure https://flic.kr/s/aHskUZNTzk Thx… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/863388674200915968 (twitter.com/_/status/863388674200915968)
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Zegnat Can someone ask Julie if she released (c) on the group photo so I can put it on the wiki? aaronpk? sebsel?
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@derPepo @jkphl @indiewebcamp @iwontsignuphere Hahahaha… groß <3 (twitter.com/_/status/863389652933386241)
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@martijnvdven @jkphl @indiewebcamp @iwontsignuphere Can you (or @iwontsignuphere) please upload this to the wiki? Or tell me you… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/863390943822610432 (twitter.com/_/status/863390943822610432)
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@jkphl @martijnvdven @indiewebcamp @iwontsignuphere @iwontsignuphere Could you pls take care of setting the usual CC license type on Flickr? (twitter.com/_/status/863391249042157569)
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sknebel do we have a list of websub/pubsubhubbub client libaries somewhere?
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@joelpurra Homebrew Website Club #Berlin needs a location for meeting 19:00 Wednesday May 17th. Got office? #indieweb https://www.meetup.com/Indie-Web-Homebrew-Website-Club/events/239928322/i3/socialmedia/ (twitter.com/_/status/863396343078940672)
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sgreger remotely following the "onboarding" session from DUS :)
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Zegnat welcome sgreger!
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Zegnat sknebel, I don’t think so? But websub is still a bit of a question mark to me.
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sgreger ...took the freedom to drop the link to our memo/materials from IWC Berlin on that topic into the etherpad already
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sknebel morning sgreger!
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sknebel Zegnat: seems so, and my googling hasn'T been very successful either, despite pubsubhubbub being around quite a while
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sgreger i wish i could be there. but hey, it's only 7 days to IWC Nürnberg!
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sknebel (is aaronpk in the room for onboarding?)
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aaronpk No
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[andreasnebiker] Nope. He's in #gallery
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@harukasan_rss Monsters, Mailboxes and other nonsense @ IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf https://speakerdeck.com/nielsleenheer/monsters-mailboxes-and-other-nonsense-at-indiewebcamp-dusseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/863407539148513280)
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Zegnat An actual talk with slides at IWC?! :o
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@html5test The slides for my Monsters, Mailboxes and other nonsense talk at #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf: https://speakerdeck.com/nielsleenheer/monsters-mailboxes-and-other-nonsense-at-indiewebcamp-dusseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/863408642950868996)
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sgreger great session, with a lot of good thoughts to build on. i tried to document to etherpad as good as i could (with a somewhat spotty internet connection today)
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sknebel sgreger++
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sknebel I hope there will be a continuation of it in Nürnberg as hinted – if not officially, then in the pub
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sknebel (sgreger: when do you arrive in Nürnerg)
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@html5test No, this is not very accurate. #IndieWebCamp was actually very nice! https://twitter.com/html5test/status/863413737683922945/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863413737683922945)
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sgreger sknebel: Sat 09:25, so should make it to Tollwerk just-in-time ;)
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Zegnat As long as someone then includes me in the pubtalk, I am good ;) Better get that mobile Quassel going, sknebel
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sknebel will do
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@awoods @tommcfarlin those are good things. but the requirment to use their server is more centralization, which doesn’t seem very indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/863417048252137472)
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Zegnat I have now made my Facebook-feed screenshot friendly by blacking-out names and hiding avatars. It also makes me reconsider the worth of Facebook. Without names above posts a lot of it is total garbage that makes me wonder why I am seeing it. I have even mistaken someone’s post for an ad!
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sknebel anonymizing user-css?
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/e2c8201bba0dcd6e6cd6323909e901b6
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sknebel cool
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Zegnat I currently use https://github.com/1999/controlfreak to apply the CSS, for those who want to give it a shot
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Loqi [1999] controlfreak: Extension to allow easy web page tweaks, similar to GreaseMonkey in spirit
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Jeena I'm still amazed on how good the audio is on todays stream
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sgreger agreed, great audio! aaronpk++
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sgreger aaronpk++
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Jeena aaronpk++
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aaronpk Oh good! I tried!
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GWG I have to go listen. I always comment on that
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sknebel agreed, was very good!
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@bubaumann @jkphl @indiewebcamp @aaronpk @faulancr @LukasRosenstock @jansauer @iwontsignuphere Viel Spaß euch allen! (twitter.com/_/status/863421853032960000)
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GWG I am thinking of working on food tracking. My doctor wants me to do a food diary
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Zegnat Welcome to the club, GWG
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Zegnat I am working on an activity feed thing, inspired by Facebook, that would also track food.
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GWG Which club?
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Zegnat People tracking food.
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GWG The poor eating habits club?
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Zegnat Hahaha, that one too, probably\
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Loqi nice
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Zegnat only knows how to cook 2 pasta dishes, and thats all he ate when at home during the last year
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GWG I haven't seen anyone doing nutrition though
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Zegnat That’s true. I would probably not track nutrition either. Mostly because I don’t know a good way how to.
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GWG I am just starting to conte
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GWG mplate that
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GWG I was wondering if anyone had pursued it
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Zegnat I know people who track calorie intake, maybe I can ask around, but I find most of that somewhat limiting in information
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GWG I would want full nutritional data
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Zegnat Diabetik, a mobile app for tracking diabetes related info, used to have a open nutrition database I believe. But they might have gone /poof/ as their domain no longer resolves :\
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@faulancr AfterIndieWebCampWiesn @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/faulancr/status/863426586602868737/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863426586602868737)
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Zegnat GWG, my main concern would be with restaurant food though. I can transcribe nutrition facts from packaging when I do my own cooking, but not elsewhere.
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GWG That is an issue regardless
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@jkphl Post-@indiewebcamp chill-out at the Rheinufer again #btconf https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/863428220682633217/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/863428220682633217)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • May 6th - 12th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/407720 (twitter.com/_/status/863443864543260672)
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for May 6th - 12th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/05/13/131726/ (twitter.com/_/status/863443968398381056)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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gRegorLove Earlier talk of /authorship inspired me to do some more work on indiewebify.me
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gRegorLove Will see if I can get some updates today in time for IWC demos
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[colinwalker] Hey Gregor
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gRegorLove o/ [colinwalker]
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GWG Gregorlove, you have any thoughts about doing nutritional info on one's site?
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gRegorLove Not sure
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Zegnat gRegorLove, indiewebify definitely doesn’t do /authorship yet: https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F5916f3d8358bd
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Zegnat (If you need a testing link, there you go ;))
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gRegorLove GWG: Any examples in the wild?
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gRegorLove What is nutrition?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nutrition" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What is food?
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Loqi Food is a post type that represents eating or drinking particular food or drink https://indieweb.org/food
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GWG Not that I know of
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gRegorLove There's probably apps out there, though don't know if they have any web components.
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GWG aaronpk, for example, posts food and drink, but isn't tracking the nutritional or calorie implications
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GWG MyFitnessPal has a web app
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sknebel what is authorship?
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Loqi authorship is a claim about who the author(s) of a post are https://indieweb.org/authorship
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gRegorLove Zegnat: That's on my radar, yep. :) I might improve the rel-me tests as a simpler project, though.
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GWG For me...question 1 is has anyone done anything in this area in the community or thought about it. After that, the second part is researching comparable offerings.
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gRegorLove They're too strict, report "not linking back" when really it links back, but https has been downgraded to http
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sknebel what is permalink?
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Loqi A permalink is a URL which typically represents and retrieves a single post (also explicitly called a post permalink) https://indieweb.org/permalink
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gRegorLove sknebel: Good question on /authorship#Questions. I think url == u-url is the right test for permalink page.
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Zegnat Right, yes, a permalink post is a page with an h-entry whos u-url is the page's URL. (That h-entry is the main object of the URL, basically.)
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Zegnat Same goes for h-cards. It is a representative h-card if the u-url of the h-card matches the URL of the page the h-card is on.
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@schnarfed @awoods @tommcfarlin indieweb focuses more on owning your domain and content, less on how much plumbing underneath… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/863463411966894080 (twitter.com/_/status/863463411966894080)
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Zegnat Hmm, Facebook lets me stack a checkin, a person tag, and an activity. But only 1 activity. I couldn’t add what I am drinking to what I am watching.
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@schoschie Day 1 of #indiewebcamp is over; I'm going to fall asleep in about an hour max. #iwc (twitter.com/_/status/863477801005047811)
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@celinewinkel Had the best kickoff at #IndieWebCamp and wonderful creative office @sipgate looking forward to the next days of… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/863488296277626880 (twitter.com/_/status/863488296277626880)
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@poke @jkphl @webgefrickel Same procedure as every year… Geht bei euch noch was? Wo hängt ihr rum, noch im Schlüssel? #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/863489128729649154)
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gRegorLove Think I've got improved rel-me checking on indiewebify.me working on dev.
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gRegorLove http://gregoreatworld.com/indiewebify-me/web/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feddiehinkle.com now shows Twitter linking back
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gRegorLove It gives improved responses if you enter an https URL but the silo rel-me link is to http. It used to just fail, but it passes with a note "link back is to http:// not https://" e.g. http://gregoreatworld.com/indiewebify-me/web/validate-rel-me/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com
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gRegorLove I'll do some more testing and put together a PR later today.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Jimmy Baum: Skip to content Blog About Archives Contact Jimmy Baum in Microblog | 11 May, 2017 7:56 PM Micro.blog/IndieWeb communities have been a big inspiration to start a blog and write more. I have a few larger posts coming. Thanks for great advice, Chris Aldrich, Raam Dev, and Colin Walker." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-13 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/liked-jimmy-baum-skip-to-content-blog-about-archives-contact
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aaronpk Ooh awesome
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gRegorLove It also gave "couldn't be fetched" as a kind of generic response when it couldn't find a rel-me link back. It doesn't anymore, unless there's actually an issue fetching the URL
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gRegorLove Compare eddie's instagram on the live site vs ^^^
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GWG aaronpk: When you did Teacup, did you consider nutritional information?
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gRegorLove Were there etherpads for: #start, #hardware, #tls? Ones linked on the wiki are blank.
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aaronpk GWG: yeah, i experimented with a couple apps before I made teacup and the amount of work it took to enter food in a way that includes nutritional info was too much for me to sustain it
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GWG aaronpk, that is what I am contemplating.
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Zegnat gRegorLove: links were created before the sessions even started, for easy access. So they don’t reflect usage I am afraid. Don’t know if any others were used. There was very little IRL-IRC overlap today
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[pfefferle] good morning
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[andreasnebiker] Good night o/
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[andreasnebiker] ?
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Loqi buenas noches
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GWG Hello
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[pfefferle] GWG had a look at your merge request
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[pfefferle] GWG I added a comment
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GWG [pfefferle]: I just saw that. How does it look otherwise?
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[pfefferle] GWG to be honest, I am not sure why to change so much
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[pfefferle] GWG because they seem not to help with the type issue
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GWG Well, it only parsed h-entrys, it didn't pull external h-cards, it didn't store any properties.
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[pfefferle] GWG hmmm ok
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GWG [pfefferle]: That was part of the changes. As for the type issue...
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@jkphl @bubaumann @indiewebcamp @aaronpk @faulancr @LukasRosenstock @jansauer @iwontsignuphere danke! :) (twitter.com/_/status/863511761999339525)
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GWG [pfefferle]: The URL has already been verified previously. There is no need to verify it again.
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GWG [pfefferle]: In the broader get_representative_item, which replaced representative_entry, it searches for the URL.
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[pfefferle] GWG I added an example
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GWG Didn't consider that example.
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GWG Let me have a further look at that and the other author thing.
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[pfefferle] GWG thanks
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GWG [pfefferle]: But the changes allow for a lot of potentially exciting enhancements for the future, in addition to a bunch of fixes.
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GWG Re the example, do people usually put u-in-reply-to and u-like-of in the same h-entry.
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GWG [pfefferle]: I've been testing the output using that debugging file I added in. I'll see about tightening up the code to address the issues.
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[pfefferle] GWG I added another example
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[pfefferle] GWG if you use more than one link in a post, all links in that post would get the same type, even if they have no specific type.
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[pfefferle] GWG and that happens a lot
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GWG [pfefferle]: Back to the drawing board, I suppose. The rest of the stuff, I think, is worth saving. So I'll trace back the persistent issue.
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[pfefferle] GWG I started some unittests, perhaps I can add them tomorrow.
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GWG [pfefferle]: The hope I have is to broaden things so that new functionality can come, even if not in the plugin. For example, storing the properties in the flattened manner I set up means I could deduplicate a Bridgy syndicated and the original link; adding location properties means a comment could note the location, etc.
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[pfefferle] GWG ok
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petermolnar can someone point me at a js-only page without <noscript> fallback? I may have found a solution for my pains in 'elinks', a cli browser which has spidermonkey support, but I need a little more testing
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GWG [pfefferle]: But considering that right now there is no support in the plugin for anything but h-card and h-entry...maybe I should move that to an action/filter hook and ignore them otherwise.
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[pfefferle] GWG i would not prepare to much data for specific problems but add some possibilities to use them anyways, so yes I would recomment actions and filters
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[pfefferle] GWG I would love to see a much simpler version of the sl plugin... I gets way to complicated...
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GWG [pfefferle]: Simpler than the current version, simpler than my PR version?
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[pfefferle] GWG simpler than both ?
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GWG [pfefferle]: Well, the only idea I had in that direction was eliminating the semantic_linkback properties in favor of the mf2_ properties that both snarfed and I are using to represent same.
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GWG I'd like to make each response type a custom comment type, except for what that would end up doing without WordPress better supporting custom comment types.
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[pfefferle] GWG no problem, change what you want, but we should provide a migration then
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davidmead hi GWG. Do you know if it’s the micropub WP plugin that adds the image code to the post?
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GWG [pfefferle]: I would. But I'm trying to figure out what the simplest form is.
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davidmead when syndicating from ownyourgram
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GWG davidmead: It should.
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davidmead hmm. then it’s not
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davidmead let me grab an older version and roll back. see of that fixes my issue
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GWG davidmead: If you are using Post Kinds, I have someone who filed a bug re the setting of Micropub properties to Post Kinds.
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GWG [pfefferle]: Do you have any general ideas about what would make it simpler?
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davidmead i don’t use post kinds
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GWG davidmead: Then it can't be that, good.
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davidmead :-)
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[pfefferle] GWG sadly no
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[pfefferle] davidmead I added a comment to your issue
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davidmead thx pfefferle. i’ll go look
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GWG Well, maybe I will try a rewrite on the code I submitted. Keep the elements I like, but look at simplifying the rest.
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[pfefferle] GWG let's start fixing the type first
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GWG pfefferle: I agree, but the problem appears to be in the compare_urls function
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[pfefferle] GWG might be... otherwise we had no issue with the type ?
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GWG pfefferle, will be looking to simplify at the same time
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@Johannes_Ernst Indie Web Summit & Open Source Bridge, here I come! Just registered. See you in Portland OR? https://2017.indieweb.org/ http://opensourcebridge.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/863523733142609920)
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[pfefferle] GWG thanks a lot
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[pfefferle] I am off to bed, bye bye
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GWG pfefferle, I do it for myself, you, and the community
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GWG You are welcome though
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