#indieweb 2017-05-16
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[kevinmarks] hm, why not? I've seen notifications on android chrome work better than desktop chrome on mac
# [kevinmarks] my hovercards aren't very good TBH
# [kevinmarks] design challenge mainly - coping with the variety of possible site information, and trying to make things fit in small sizes
# [kevinmarks] the ones where I just shrink the website look better than the ones I extract information from; http://www.unmung.com/hovertest
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@benwerd I completely love that someone has written a @withknown to Mastodon plugin. Publish on your own site, syndicate everywhere. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/864275883145568257)
# [kevinmarks] there are some in https://indieweb.org/hovercard
# [kevinmarks] I need to constrain the hovercard size more explicitly, or get a lot better at CSS
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The @withknown Derbyshire release v0.9.9 is out!
#onthewaytov1point0Release #indieweb #edtech
https://github.com/idno/Known/releases/tag/v0.9.9" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/the-withknown-derbyshire-release-v099-is-out-onthewaytov1point0release-indieweb-edtechidnoknownreleasestagv099
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@ChrisAldrich The @withknown Derbyshire release v0.9.9 is out! #onthewaytov1point0Release #indieweb #edtech https://github.com/idno/Known/releases/tag/v0.9.9 (twitter.com/_/status/864299083116290048)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Chris Aldrich's post on stream.boffosocko.com" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-05-16 http://michael.runcieman.com/2017/liked-chris-aldrichs-post-on-streamboffosockocom-5bca9e1eeb
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[colinwalker] Morning
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@manuelpueyo Rethinking my personal web presence. Remembering good advice from @bruynix @betacowork #wordpress #indieweb https://twitter.com/manuelpueyo/status/864436272051441664/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/864436272051441664)
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@meljreedlive @ScreenAustralia Please watch and share if you like what you see! #RiotGirl #indieweb produced & shot in Queensland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvtMj0FhAwM&feature=youtu.be (twitter.com/_/status/864436655901392896)
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@juventud3c DÍAS CARGADOS DE #indieweb para todos los públicos #TomavistasFest17 #casajuv3can #TresCantos… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/864441431011856384 (twitter.com/_/status/864441431011856384)
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@rMdes_ So happy to have @indiehosters to upgrade to latest @withKnown version :) #indieweb (https://www.rmendes.net/s/1LxXG) (twitter.com/_/status/864443751476989952)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "So happy to have @indiehosters to upgrade to latest @withKnown version :) #indieweb" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-05-16 https://www.rmendes.net/2017/so-happy-to-have-indiehosters-to-upgrade-to-latest-withknown
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@joelpurra Update: meeting tomorrow Wed 19:00 will be held at Bulbul, Görlitzer Str. 38, 10997 #Berlin. Join us! =) #indieweb #webdev (twitter.com/_/status/864445875187322880)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "9 years later, I'm blogging again" by Sebastian Kippe on 2017-05-09 https://hackerbeach.org/2017/9-years-later-im-blogging-again
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@eli_oat Indieweb etiquette question: when reposting or liking a link is it polite-er to link directly to the content or is… https://mmmicro.eli.li/2017/05/16/220/ (twitter.com/_/status/864476176148045824)
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jeremycherfas Looking for help extracting data from webmentions received. Different sources seem to supply vastly different amounts of information. What’s the best approach to extracting the bits I need, when they seem to occupy different key:value pairs in the file?
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KartikPrabhu jeremycherfas: are you using microformats?
# KartikPrabhu then the data should not be in different "key:value" pairs
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# jeremycherfas I am receiving the files as arrays, and there are some microformat properties I recognise in there, such as h-card and h-entry.
# KartikPrabhu jeremycherfas: then you should use the h-entry and h-card and parse their properties
# jeremycherfas I thought I was dsoing that :( but I think my understanding of parse is non-standard.
# KartikPrabhu by parse I simply mean use the "key:value" stuff that is inside the h-entry properties
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myfreeweb files? arrays? webmention gives you a source URL, which you fetch and get HTML code, which you feed to a microformats2 parser that gives you JSON with key-values pairs
# KartikPrabhu myfreeweb: mf2 parsers can give you "arrays" depending on the language of the parser
# KartikPrabhu mf2py does give you python dicitonaries
# jeremycherfas That’s what I thought I was doing, but the value for that is correct for one person’s webmentions is different from the other’s.
# myfreeweb ah php "arrays" are also dictionaries right
# KartikPrabhu jeremycherfas: can you show examples?
# jeremycherfas Myfreeweb: that’s somewhat beyond my skill level. My site runs on Grav, and a plugin writes a datafile with the contents of a webmention. That file varies greatly in complexity depending on its source.
# jeremycherfas Thanks kartikprabhu. I can. easier to do in Slack than in IRC. Is that OK?
# jeremycherfas I think so, but I’m so new to this I cannot be sure.
# KartikPrabhu jeremycherfas: I am not on Slack also I have to rush to a meeting. hoping someone else can take over
# jeremycherfas Thanks anyway.
# KartikPrabhu jeremycherfas: maybe you could upload the files to some URL on your site or Gist or something
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# jeremycherfas This is a short version https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/c75aca0c4f1ac4d296f64ebb035ee290 and this is a long version https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/bcc1743f1c4b94f72ae46754d2326cd7
# jeremycherfas And if I’m doing this sharing wrong, please let me know how.
# KartikPrabhu jeremycherfas: cool, what is some data that you'd like to get from it?
# jeremycherfas I think it is the nesting of the arrays, and how to addres specific key:value pairs, that is most difficult for me.
# jeremycherfas I identified a few things I want to get. h-card:properties:name for the commenter.
# KartikPrabhu gaah, really have to run now. I'll try to check this later
# jeremycherfas h-entry:properties:in-reply-to to decide whether to include content
# jeremycherfas He-entry:content:value if this was a reply — to display what they said
# jeremycherfas h-card:url for a link to the commenter’s home page, and finally
# jeremycherfas One that I **can** extract, which is the source-url of the comment. The plugin gives that to me separately.
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# [jeremycherfas] Thanks kartikprabhu
# myfreeweb note that the h-card is sometimes in the author property of the h-entry, sometimes just out there, etc. there is an algorithm for determining the actual author: https://indieweb.org/authorship
# [jeremycherfas] Exactly! That’s the sort of thing that I find baffling. I wonder whether maybe I need to use json_decode() on my data file.
# myfreeweb it looks like YAML
# [jeremycherfas] Yes, it is yaml.
# myfreeweb no the spaces are just weirdness coming from somewhere
# myfreeweb there's also "application / rss + xml" "apple - touch - icon - precomposed" and "in -reply - to"
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# [jeremycherfas] I added the spaces to help me visualise the nesting.
# [jeremycherfas] Sorry; not those spaces, the indenting, I added.
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# [jeremycherfas] Obviously I don’t fully understand what I am doing, but a value that gets the name in one case does not get it in the other, and vice versa.
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# ben_thatmustbeme huh?
# [jeremycherfas] A big problem is that I do not seem able to access values directly. I have to get them as properties. So in one case `config.plugins.webmention.data.0.source_mf2.items.0.properties.author.0.value` shows me the correct author name, and in the other `config.plugins.webmention.data.0.source_mf2.items.1.1.properties.name` shows me the correct author name.
# [jeremycherfas] Now trying to discover whether there is a better way. There must be!
# ben_thatmustbeme items.0.properties.author.0.value would be the correct way to access something like that
# ben_thatmustbeme items.1.1 ... not quite sure what you would get there
# ben_thatmustbeme starts to read back
# ben_thatmustbeme nods
# [jeremycherfas] I feel even more out of my depth in #dev
# [jeremycherfas] That’s the thing ben_thatmustbeme The two sets of data received from two different senders are very different.
# [jeremycherfas] Happy to take this to #dev. How much do I need to recopy, or what?
# ben_thatmustbeme no need to copy, we are in both
# ben_thatmustbeme just to keep this channel clear
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# [tamaracks] Thanks for looking into this, jeremycherfas. ? I have been looking again at whether Grav will suit my site. Initially, I worried about performance one I added historical posts, but then I realized I should try and see how caching affects that. I haven’t gotten as far as webmentions yet, but I’ll welcome any progress you make when I do.
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# [jeremycherfas] You’re welcome. I made the decision to move to Grav precisely because it is blindingly fast when all goes well, and stretches me understanding how it works. But I am by no means a developer. So in some respects it is too complex, probably. But now that I have it, I want to make it work for me.
# [tamaracks] Yeah. I put my blog on Wordpress for now, so I could play with all the Indieweb stuff to see how it works. Wordpress is simple on the surface, but I usually get a headache when I start trying to look at plugin or theme code if it doesn’t already do what I want.
# [jeremycherfas] I moved from WP, first to Octopress and then to Grav, and the headaches are very different.
# [tamaracks] Yep. I was thinking about Hugo, but I am not sure I want to go to a static site generator yet, because that complicates some of the interactive aspects of indieweb.
# [jeremycherfas] True, although lots of indiewebbers seem to have cracked those problems, whereas very few are using Grav.
# [tamaracks] Yes, but I haven’t found any of their implementations (yet, anyway) that I thought I could do myself. It always seems to involve ruby or node.js.
# [jeremycherfas] what is static
# Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static
# [tamaracks] Static sites are just html files. Fast to serve, but not dynamic. Like Jekyll. I think Octopress too.
# [jeremycherfas] I thought there were examples there, but it seems not
# myfreeweb octopress was just a jekyll template IIRC
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# [tamaracks] Well, that is to say that things like Jekyll are static site generators, which generate the HTML files.
# [tamaracks] Yeah, that’s what I thought.
# [jeremycherfas] I don’t recall Octopress having any plugins. But I abandoned it a couple of years ago.
# myfreeweb http://octopress.org seems the latest edition is more of a jekyll management tool with a ton of stuff
# [tamaracks] @voxpelli I saw your micropub to github project. It looks pretty cool, but I have trouble grasping node.js. It might be beyond my capabilities at the moment, particularly to change the output format for something other than Jekyll.
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# [jeremycherfas] myfreeweb Note the date on that announcement.
# myfreeweb [jeremycherfas]: yeah so it's been like that since 2015. so?
# [jeremycherfas] OK. Not going to argue.
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Kongaloosh indiefolks! one question: are there meetups in toronto that anyone's aware of?
# Kongaloosh oh, I became voiced
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Zegnat If you are on /IRC-people you will get voiced, Kongaloosh :)
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# Kongaloosh tantek: thanks!
# Kongaloosh I've been in grad-student hiding
# Kongaloosh ahaha
# Kongaloosh I've been promoted to PhD student
# Kongaloosh and have been trying to get some interest going for possible HWC events in edmonton
# Kongaloosh think I've founds a comfy venue
# Kongaloosh so we'll see how that pans out during the summer
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gRegorLove What is HWC?
# Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
# gRegorLove I don't see Toronto listed, just your interest in Edmonton
# Kongaloosh yeah, I was hoping someone in the IRC might know of something that dosen't have a wiki
# Kongaloosh oh well!
# Kongaloosh gRegorLove++
# gRegorLove Kongaloosh: Hope you can get one started. All it takes is a second person. Most of the HWCs I've helped organize have been that way :)
# Kongaloosh yeah, it's a matter of finding that second person.
# Kongaloosh we've got a strong meetup culture, but it's challenging finding the right people for it
# Kongaloosh probably doesn't help that I'm a machine learning person
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Yes: I'm all booked and looking forward to attending IndieWeb Summit 2017." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-05-16 http://werd.io/2017/yes-im-all-booked-and-looking-forward-to-attending-indieweb
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "ChrisAldrich on Twitter: "The @withknown Derbyshire release v0.9.9 is out!
#onthewaytov1point0Release #indieweb #edtech
https://t.co/NEHaKA9LxM"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-05-16 https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/864299083116290048
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@johnjohnston Enjoyed tonight’s drive home listen: Tantek Çelik – The once and future IndieWeb on Huffduffer ripped from ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/enjoyed-tonights-drive-home-listen-tantek-celik-the-on/ (twitter.com/_/status/864585368783466496)
# @eli_oat Here I am again. Considering hosing wordpress for a homemade indieweb solution . https://mmmicro.eli.li/2017/05/16/228/ (twitter.com/_/status/864589376487120896)
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# [colinwalker] It's on my list for tomorrow
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@EchoChamberUncu Enjoyed tonight’s drive home listen: Tantek Çelik – The once and future IndieWeb on Huffduffer ripped… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/enjoyed-tonights-drive-home-listen-tantek-celik-the-once-and-future-indieweb-on-huffduffer-ripped-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/864598542840713218)
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miklb heads up WP users, 4.7.5 is out with several security fixes https://wordpress.org/news/2017/05/wordpress-4-7-5/
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