#indieweb 2017-05-19

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dougbeal the debug console doesn't seem to be the right context to call them, as I'm not getting any output
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mblaney trying to work out why my reader 500's on a particular feed
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GWG dougbeal: The codex was superseded by the developer's reference
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mblaney finds that it's because SimplePie runs out of memory...
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mblaney looks into why it runs out of memory and find a 30mb gif
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mblaney stops debugging to just enjoy the gif :-)
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mblaney https://www.rmendes.net/2017/gif-or-jif-the-oxford-english-dictionary-accepts-both-pronunciations---are-you-sure--1
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Loqi [Ricardo Mendes] Gif or Jif ? "The Oxford English Dictionary accepts both pronunciations," - are you sure ? 1 min read Gif or Jif ? "The Oxford English Dictionary accepts both pronunciation...
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dougbeal GWG: changing it to get_stylesheet_directory fixes it
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dougbeal Have to run, back in a hour or so.
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GWG I will look into this.
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dougbeal GWG: do you want me to file and issue?
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gRegorLove codex is still correct for a lot of things, especially old functions like that which will probably never change
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GWG dougbeal: Please do.
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gRegorLove I wish they forwarded codex pages, though. I still search it out of habit then remember the new pages
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/16kbps/status/864950882428964865
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@16kbps https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DADsPP_XUAAtAry.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/864950882428964865)
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ben_thatmustbeme anyone interested in a command line mf2 parse... simply run 'sudo gem install microformats'
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ben_thatmustbeme the ruby parser includes a command line script 'microformats'
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ben_thatmustbeme microformats http://tantek.com
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Loqi Tantek Çelik h
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ben_thatmustbeme will give you JSON equivalent :)
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miklb sudo? ick ;-)
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GWG Ick?
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miklb at least in a macOS environment, sudo installing gems bad things can happen from my experience.
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GWG Installing anything can make bad things happen.
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miklb sure…
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tanlaan I'd like to take the route of eating my own dogfood. What language would be best by today's standards? PHP, node.js, Ruby, Django/python?
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GWG Only install software from trusted sources.
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GWG tanlaan: That's a controversial question.
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GWG Use what you are comfortable with
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tanlaan GWG: very lol
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tanlaan I'm just thinking of taking this on with the Unix philosophy and making every part very small but functional for what it does to be able to piece it together in the end
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tanlaan PHP has its roots, node.j has async, Ruby has its magic, and python has its utility
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dougbeal Is there any reason to allow directory listings of my wordpress site?
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GWG dougbeal: I'd suggest you don't.
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miklb what are directory listings?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "directory listings" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[shaners] I added JSON Feed to the CrimethInc. site today. It took two hours and was pretty easy. Most of the time was spent digging through my own code. The spec is clearly written and stuff.
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[shaners] I added it for the same reason I have an Atom feed and @adactio has AMP views. Because why not. It’s just another view of the same data. It’s an experiment. And it was quick and easy.
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[shaners] https://crimethinc.com/feed.json
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ben_thatmustbeme :/.
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ben_thatmustbeme I used to think that, but lately I've just realized it's not really worth my time
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ben_thatmustbeme And it promotes people just adding yet another serialization format
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-19.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@johnjohnston @mrkrndvs @ChrisAldrich @t I use the snippet from https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb/issues/38 to pre-approve webmentions. I approve all… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/865424813870923777 (twitter.com/_/status/865424813870923777)
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dougbeal What is approve webmentions
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "approve webmentions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dougbeal What is wordpress
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Loqi WordPress is open source CMS software used by many on the Indieweb as well as a blog hosting service https://indieweb.org/WordPress
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dougbeal What is wordpress approve webmentions
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wordpress approve webmentions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tanlaan I've been trying to figure this out by trial and error. On the install of Known, I had to change the permissions for my Uploads folder. I tried all the variations for permissions until I ended up with 777 which doesn't sit right with me. I figured even a 775 would have functioned if it was in the same group as the file itself. Anyone who has used i
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tanlaan t know what permissions they have set that functions?
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miklb dougbeal are you looking to unspam webmentions?
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dougbeal miklb: autoapprove instragram comments via OwnYourGram
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dougbeal miklb: I haven't enabled Akismet
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miklb ah, I'm not sure if anyone has solved that. There is a little function you can use to make sure webmentions don't go to spam.
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miklb https://gist.github.com/miklb/5f06c91eaa494bab663917099ec786e5 I use that and most of my likes/reposts get approved now
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miklb replies get turned into native WP comments, so that is another ball of wax.
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dougbeal Oh, they are comming via Bridgy, that makes sense.
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dougbeal Strange, 22 Bridgy comments are not content_type webmention
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miklb right, an actual reply vs a like/repost is converted to a base comment type.
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dougbeal ah
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miklb that was tricky for me in doing facepiles for likes and reposts and then displaying replies separately.
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miklb without displaying the likes/replies in the comments I should clarify
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dougbeal ah
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dougbeal is there a facepile plugin?
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dougbeal What is a facepile
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Loqi A Facepile is a way of showing interactions for a page/site by using profile pictures https://indieweb.org/facepile
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GWG There was. It broke.
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miklb dougbeal if you are feeling adventurous you can dig into my frankenstein comments template and roll your own. It uses semantic linkbacks https://gist.github.com/miklb/4ba5ea34dc7ad8031afea9414d477bce
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miklb I will have a version of that in the theme I'm working on
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dougbeal miklb: possibly, not sure what I will focus on next
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[colinwalker] miklb Ah, so it's that auto-approve snippet that is causing some of my webmentions to loose the comment_type?
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[colinwalker] Or did I misunderstand that.
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miklb [colinwalker] no, shouldn't be, that just keeps it from automatically going into spam.
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[colinwalker] Ah, misunderstood then ?
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miklb If a webmention is a like/repost or some other type, it keeps the webmention comment type. If it's a reply, then it becomes a native WP comment
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[colinwalker] It's annoying - stops them appearing on my directory page
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miklb GWG can better explain the reasoning behind that, but it's basically because WordPress core doesn't fully support comment types.
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miklb half baked at best is being kind
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[colinwalker] Is there no way to force it in the database when received?
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dougbeal is the commentmeta part of core WP?
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miklb to not strip the webmention type? I would have to look closer at the code
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miklb [colinwalker] you can do a custom comment query though to do both can't you?
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miklb dougbeal yes, comment meta is part of core. it's the type part that is half baked
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[colinwalker] I could but the idea was filtering by webmentions ;) I'll have another look though
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miklb [colinwalker] I'll have to look at the tables again, but there may still be meta query you can add to keep the webmention replies in the query.
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miklb Which reminds me, I have notes for a draft post on all of this.
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dougbeal miklb: does this look right: https://gist.github.com/dougbeal/22d9c50a7f61e105e4ce5a623c518da7
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dougbeal actually, is 1 just not-spam?
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dougbeal Oh, 0 pending, 1 approved "spam" spam
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miklb correct
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dougbeal miklb: what is your wordpress development workflow? Right now I have setup my child theme as a remote git branch, and push to it
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miklb dougbeal I have my whole site in a private repo currently.
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miklb I run nginx/php/mariadb locally so it's close enough to my live site's environment
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miklb I do have some submodules for plugins so I can test/use master. I should break out my theme as a submodule but I'm lazy
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miklb actually, wordpress is a git submodule as well.
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miklb [colinwalker] looking, if you are using semantic linkbacks, I think you could add a commentmeta query to include semantic_linkback_type => reply to include those that aren't a webmention type.
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miklb worries he's talking too much #dev for the general channel
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dougbeal What is indieweb-dev
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb-dev" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[colinwalker] miklb I was trying to remove the reliance but I'll give it a try
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[colinwalker] Thanks
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dougbeal Do you need facebook platform enabled to syndicate posts to facebook?
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miklb I don't do much w/Facebook, but I do have bridgy configured with FB and have syndicated and gotten linkbacks using bridgy publish
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dougbeal do you just sign in with another site to add it to brid.gy?
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dougbeal I guess I haven't configure any syndication urls on my site
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miklb no, just authorize bridgy for what ever services, and then the bridgy publish plugin has options for which services to include (Twitter, FB, Flickr). you then get checkboxes on the new post screen which ones to send that post to.
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miklb send to == syndicate to
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miklb visual aid if you haven't used the plugin https://cdn.miklb.com/Add_New_Post__Miklbs_Mindless_Ramblings__WordPress_2017-05-19_02-14-45.png
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dougbeal I wonder if my facebook profile isn't public enough to show my website link
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miklb are you not able to authorize bridgy with your FB account?
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miklb anyway, melatonin kickin' in. night all!
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Zegnat Good night miklb
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Zegnat And good morning IndieWeb!
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Loqi gute nacht!
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dougbeal o/ miklb
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dougbeal miklb: I just needed to log in
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dougbeal miklb: and turn on platform
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pfefferle good morning
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Loqi morning!
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[colinwalker] Morning pfefferle
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dougbeal morning pfefferle
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[colinwalker] Does tell work when coming from Slack?
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pfefferle i think so
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[colinwalker] Only one way to find out ;)
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pfefferle :)
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[colinwalker] !tell miklb the semantic_linkbacks_type query worked
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[colinwalker] Woohoo!
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Loqi woot
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[colinwalker] Anyway, how's it going?
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pfefferle colinwalker haave you seen https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/includes/functions.php
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[colinwalker] Don't think so - forwarding link so I can see it on a PC (just a little small on mobile lol)
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[colinwalker] That's a nice concise bit of code
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sebsel good morning IndieWeb :)
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[colinwalker] ?
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[jeremycherfas] Good morning. Updated the laptop and now MAMP is borken. Here's hoping someone in NUE will be able to help.
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aaronpk in my experience, adding new formats like that is easy to add, but difficult to maintain
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aaronpk re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-19/1495163661354000
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Loqi [[shaners]] I added JSON Feed to the CrimethInc. site today. It took two hours and was pretty easy. Most of the time was spent digging through my own code. The spec is clearly written and stuff.
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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aaronpk good morning!
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Zegnat re JSON Feed, I wonder how fast they are willing to itterate on the spec. The GitHub issues raise some interested points. https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues
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[colinwalker] Manton said yesterday they've already merged at least one PR so pretty quickly it seems
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Zegnat [colinwalker], I see some example fixes being merged in, not a whole lot of things that have an actual effect on the spec.
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Zegnat Oh, this might be the fix he was referring to: https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/11
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Loqi [foresmac] #11 Require RFC 3339 datetimes
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[colinwalker] It's a start ;)
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voxpelli the WebSub spec would need to be updated for JSON Feed to currently work with it as well – or JSON Feed to change so that WebSub doesn't require any changes
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aaronpk wait what? websub doesn't care about the payload of the notification
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cweiske hub detection will fail
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cweiske if the hub is announced in the contents only
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voxpelli aaronpk: yes, but the JSON Feed spec has added a "hubs" key that it believes should be used to advertise WebSub hubs
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cweiske not in the http link header
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aaronpk voxpelli: oh i missed that
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aaronpk lol "hubs (very optional)"
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voxpelli me and Julien tweeted with manton about that yesterday and Julien pointed him to the WebSub repo and asked for an issue
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aaronpk that's going to be a tricky one. at least with HTML and XML there is a generic way to link to rels
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aaronpk but with JSON there isn't really a "generic" way to do it that doesn't potentially conflict with data in the JSON file
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voxpelli yeah, the only generic way for JSON is with link headers
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cweiske do they follow http://jsonapi.org/format/#document-links ?
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voxpelli I do think that something like JSON Feeds should have a generic link-property on both feed and item level though, to enable extensions like WebMention, payment etc to be easily and independently injected in there
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voxpelli cweiske: um, a quick read there gives me the impression that JSON API only allows a single link per relation type – can that really be right?
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aaronpk "the allowed values of additional members will be expanded (e.g. a collection link may support an array of values, whereas a self link does not)."
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aaronpk does not seem very thoroughly specified
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aaronpk also they don't really say that the key names are rels
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aaronpk they don't actually say what to use for the key names
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voxpelli cweiske: aaronpk: I added an issue regarding link relations: https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/44
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Loqi [voxpelli] #44 Support link relations
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aaronpk awesome
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miklb pfefferle those functions in semantic linkback are great, I use them for my facepiles, but colinwalker was trying to get replies that came in as webmentions but loose the the type as they are now standard comments along with other webmentions
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Loqi miklb: [colinwalker] left you a message 3 hours, 23 minutes ago: the semantic_linkbacks_type query worked
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miklb that reads as confusing as it sounds
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[colinwalker] ?
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pfefferle miklb understood :)
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GWG Good morning, all
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sknebel good morning GWG!
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GWG Everyone excited about a second weekend of Indiewebcamp?
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aaronpk \o/
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cweiske which hotel are you staying in Nürnberg?
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[colinwalker] Just had a thought (I know, careful) - as webmention replies have comment_type removed can't we just use semantic_linkbacks_type to check if a reply and then rewrite the value to the table?
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[colinwalker] On a mission...
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ben_thatmustbeme moving here from off topic
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ben_thatmustbeme going to look in to how different jsonfeed is from jf2
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[kevinmarks] compare http://inessential.com/feed.json
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[kevinmarks] with http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.unmung.com%252Ffeed%253Ffeed%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Finessential.com%25252Fxml%25252Frss.xml%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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ben_thatmustbeme i dislike 'version' strings, but i guess you sort of need that once you make it vocabulary aware
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[kevinmarks] i end up with doubled summary/content as RSS description is ambiguos
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[kevinmarks] we have chlidren vs items
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ben_thatmustbeme 'name' vs 'title'
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ben_thatmustbeme ugh
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ben_thatmustbeme 'home_page_url' seems sort of silly on a feed, what does that even mean?
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ben_thatmustbeme feed_url i could understand, or home_page_url under the author, sure
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, i see, it has a self reference to the feed_url being the json version... don't love the naming of that
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[kevinmarks] it's like rel=self in atom
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[kevinmarks] they have semirandomly picked terms from RSS and Atom
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[kevinmarks] seem like graphQL in front of an mf2 parser would be a way to do this
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aaronpk o.O
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, your URL field thoughts sound a lot like: https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/38
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Loqi [jbafford] #38 Split home_page_url into two separate fields
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[kevinmarks] http://graphql.org/learn/queries/#aliases
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ben_thatmustbeme sigh, its a little disturbing to see people worried about backcompat for a spec so early in its infancy. But thats what happens when you publish something and give it a version and make it look like you are expecting it to be implemented before anyone outside of the editors have had a chance to review it
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Zegnat Well, they had some invited reviewers, those are thanked in the spec.
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ben_thatmustbeme not the same as public review
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Zegnat Definitely
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[kevinmarks] It might be quicker to make a jsonfeed to h-feed page on unmung than to explain it
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[kevinmarks] flashback to https://web.archive.org/web/20081204033443/http://www.opensocial.org:80/Technical-Resources/opensocial-spec-v081/restful-protocol#TOC-2.4-Activity
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ben_thatmustbeme i suppose the idea case is to have a simple, straight forward translation from mf2 - > jf2/jsonfeed (in some unified way) and back to mf2
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[manton] voxpelli and aaronpk: The way I read Julien's comments was that WebSub's Discovery section in particular might need to be updated. Not sure if there was something else... But I think the "Publishers _must_ implement" could be relaxed a little to "_should_ implement", giving room for something like JSON Feed's "hubs" (or the proposed "links"). I plan to write up an issue for this.
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aaronpk it would be nice for WebSub to specify a way to do rel discovery for JSON documents for this purpose
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[kevinmarks] or you could add a rels to jsonfeed like we use in mf2
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aaronpk I don't like the idea of adding hub-specific properties to JSONFeed, or adding JSONFeed-specific discovery to WebSub
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[manton] kevinmarks I don't think that would technically matter. If you strictly follow what WebSub says, it leaves no room for specifying a hub except in XML or HTTP headers.
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aaronpk note that for HTTP, HTML and XML, WebSub doesn't define its own linking format, it uses the previously existing link rel mechanisms
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aaronpk so I would want to do the same for JSON
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[kevinmarks] which is what mf2 rels is
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Finessential.com%2F&html=&pretty=on
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[manton] aaronpk I totally get that. My first thought was "links" as well. But my view is that WebSub is critical to improving feed readers, and so kind of promoting it to a core part of the spec will give it more attention.
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voxpelli A link relation based approach with stick closely to existing discovery mechanisms
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aaronpk [manton]: my only problem with "links" is that it's almost too generic of a term. that's why "rels" is nice because it's specifically just the links with a rel attribute. otherwise it could be misinterpreted that you're supposed to put *all* links in that array
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voxpelli aaronpk: add that to my JSON feed issue?
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ben_thatmustbeme 'links' is quite generic
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aaronpk but ultimately that's bikeshedding the property name. the point is that in any case it shouldn't be a "hub" property
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Zegnat With “links” I guess it would follow JSONAPI though, so not inventing anything new? http://jsonapi.org/format/#document-links
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aaronpk i suspect microformats2 has been using "rels" longer than jsonapi.org
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ben_thatmustbeme also aligns better with html as rels are more that just <link> tags
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ben_thatmustbeme unless that section is specific to only things from link tags
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aaronpk in mf2 it's all rel= values
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ben_thatmustbeme [manton]: i'm hoping we can find a way to make jf2 = jsonfeed
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voxpelli The lack of rel-self is also a problem for current "hubs", WebSub requires it still, no?
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[manton] It's really a trade-off with how generic something should be. There are many fields that could be abstracted to more of a type/value format, to be more flexible, but then you make the document more verbose. I don't think it's always clear. (I'm sure many folks would want next_url to be moved to links/rels too.)
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ben_thatmustbeme as i realized doing so while keeping mf2 parsing in mind would mean there would be a simple way to go mf2 -> jsonfeed/mf2 in an automated way
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[manton] voxpelli: I think feed_url serves the same purpose.
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ben_thatmustbeme and thus a json.feed url could actually be a processor
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voxpelli [manton]: to the credit of jf2 style is that it enables a parser/consumer to not just consume feeds, but user profiles, comments, events and more
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voxpelli [manton]: and one thing that the post-blog social web has that the blogs didn't is that it has lots more types of data, not everything is articles anymore
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: jf2 also isn't currently vocabulary aware
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk has brought this up as a limitation
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voxpelli :P
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather makes it not as useful for his implementation
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: is it just h-entry?
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ben_thatmustbeme huh?
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ben_thatmustbeme no, its more of how to format certain things, its the issue of this value is always a single item or not
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ben_thatmustbeme jf2 says any item could be a single value, array, or object
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[manton] voxpelli: Yep, good point. JSON Feed is very focused on blog-like posts.
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voxpelli Right, but it can express events, profiles etc so it makes it easy to build a full Facebook on top of the format rather than be limited to just a Twitter/blog style feed of simple notes
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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[kevinmarks] that was a bit what I was getting at with GraphQL - that says you can always get a list or single param
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ben_thatmustbeme it would likely be a profile of jf2
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ben_thatmustbeme which is when you start needing versioning
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[kevinmarks] ie collapses empty list to not there and single entry list to just property
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[cleverdevil] I mocked out JSONFeed on my site last night and struggled a little bit with mapping different types of posts. I ended up adding in an extension to each item that contains some extra metadata. https://cleverdevil.io/?_t=json
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[cleverdevil] It's more interesting if you look at https://cleverdevil.io/content/all?_t=json
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aaronpk ah yeah, likes, reposts and bookmarks
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[cleverdevil] Yup.
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[cleverdevil] Checkins are captured as well.
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Zegnat [cleverdevil], you have HTML in the content_text property, it looks like
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[cleverdevil] Yeah I'm still working on it ?
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[cleverdevil] Known is a little weird with how it stores content and I'm still learning how to properly pull it out.
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[cleverdevil] For some types of content I think I've got it right, for others not yet.
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Zegnat Nice! Just thought I would mention it incase you hadn’t seen it yet :)
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ben_thatmustbeme the biggest difficulty jsonfeed will hit is that its going to be an uphill battle fighting existing standards that are quite well established
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ben_thatmustbeme may not like working with xml, but you would still have to support reading all those formats anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme whereas some mf2 -> jf2 just about every independant social web project has now
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ben_thatmustbeme has mf2 that is
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ben_thatmustbeme diaspora is the one missing one from the set there though, need someone to make a PR for it
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Improving the webmentions directory" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-19 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/19/improving-the-webmentions-directory/
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@IndieWebCampDE Mittwochs in Nürnberg ... Und ihr so? ;) https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/865594952918683649 (twitter.com/_/status/865595117226389504)
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Zegnat Something is wrong with that picture ^^^ I have met both aaronpk and sebsel, and they are definitely not equally tall ;)
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[cleverdevil] Fixed that content_text vs content_html issue Zengat, thanks for the reminder!
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aaronpk Zegnat: lol! i'm standing on the top step and sebsel is on the next step down!
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[cleverdevil] manton when you get a chance, take a look at my JSONFeed – https://cleverdevil.io/content/all/?_t=json – it may be worth considering defining reposts, likes, checkins, etc., in more detail in the spec.
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sebsel haha, I'm still taller 0:)
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[cleverdevil] I'm currently creating an `_indieweb` extension.
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Loqi hehe
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks_: re https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-19#t1495204237542000 etc, feel free to weigh in on https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/107 , happy add jsonfeed support to granary (e.g. to/from mf2) if there's enough interest
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Loqi [[kevinmarks]] It might be quicker to make a jsonfeed to h-feed page on unmung than to explain it
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aaronpk :D :D :D https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/19/18/still-here
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] I'm Still Here!
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aaronpk i'm ridiculously happy about this
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dougbeal|iOS I have a post from instagram via OYG and syndicated to Facebook. Facebook likes find the post fine, but the instagram ones say no webmention targets (via bridgy https://brid.gy/instagram/murderofcro.ws#)
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Loqi murderofcro.ws
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[cleverdevil] That's awesome aaronpk!
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk++
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Zegnat aaronpk++ for showing off one of the few practical checkin implementations!
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dougbeal|iOS On the other hand, the Facebook like was auto-approved https://github.com/dougbeal/wordpress-sembpress-child/blob/master/functions.php
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snarfed dougbeal: i don't see a u-syndication link from https://dougbeal.com/2017/05/18/246/ to https://www.instagram.com/p/BUQ1S_LFhxt/
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Loqi [Douglas Beal] #246 https://dougbeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/igCcCEAt.jpg
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dougbeal|iOS snarfed: what did you use to check? The other OYG posts just worked.
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snarfed i just looked at that post's html. it has just one u-syndication link, to flickr
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: i'd wait until at least the next revision before implementing it based on the number of issues opened on github
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dougbeal|iOS Oh, none to Facebook?
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ben_thatmustbeme regarding jsonfeed that is
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dougbeal|iOS Is it bad if I edit the post and add syndication checkboxes?
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dougbeal|iOS That lost the original source?
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: sure
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snarfed dougbeal: editing to add synd links is fine
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[manton] aaronpk The blue dot is great. Nicely done!
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[cleverdevil] I'm jealous of the blue dot.
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] That said, I am not even sure where I could begin to bring this feature to my site.
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aaronpk Thanks manton!
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aaronpk hehe yeah there are some extra pieces required if you are doing it from scratch. I have the advantage of already having continuous gps location on my server
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[cleverdevil] You use iOS, right?
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[cleverdevil] What's your solution for continuous location tracking on iOS?
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aaronpk An app I wrote :-P
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[cleverdevil] Makes sense ?
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[cleverdevil] I want an app for iOS that sends location, health, and activity data via webhooks.
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snarfed hey [manton] btw, minor heads up, looks like http://help.micro.blog/rss.xml isn't working
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ben_thatmustbeme http://help.micro.blog/feed.json is
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ben_thatmustbeme dogfooding++
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Loqi dogfooding has 3 karma
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snarfed if only my reader supported it :P
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[cleverdevil] ?
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snarfed (http://help.micro.blog/ has a rel-alternate link to rss.xml but not feed.json)
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tantek rel-alternate all the feed files!
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[manton] snarfed Whoops, thanks! I'll get those fixed.
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dougbeal Does wordpress keep changelogs of posts? I'm not sure how the syndication link was changed to only flickr
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dougbeal Oh, the source is getting overwritten by new destinations
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voxpelli Did anyone start at a jf2 comparison issue for the JSON Feed repo?
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dougbeal Would that be micropub or bridy or syndication links?
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ben_thatmustbeme [manton]++ for self-dogfooding jsonfeed
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: not yet
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ben_thatmustbeme or not that i know of
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ben_thatmustbeme i feel like it should be doable though
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: would be nice to link to when comparisons like https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/49 arise :)
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Loqi [darobin] #49 Thought experiment: using schema.org + JSON-LD instead
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ben_thatmustbeme voxpelli: feel free to start one
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: I don't feel like I'm up to date enough on jf2 :/
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ben_thatmustbeme fine to start an issue though, i'm just juggling 20 things at once right now
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voxpelli True
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dougbeal Are there indiemark badges?
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tantek dougbeal contributions welcome :)
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[manton] voxpelli No comparison yet, but I mentioned JF2 in: https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/42
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Loqi [dret] #42 Related specs and comparisons
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voxpelli [manton]: great! :)
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dougbeal tantek: I will add it the queue ;)
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@lynncyrin there any @indiewebcamp people here at this #pycon with a burning desire to talk to a Mastodon admin? (twitter.com/_/status/865644174174900225)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-19.html
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ben_thatmustbeme wonders if he should find a place to mention the ruby parser updates in it
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ben_thatmustbeme and command line script
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Zegnat Doesn’t https://news.indieweb.org/ get put in the newsletter? Just put it on your own blog and submit it to there, ben_thatmustbeme?
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ben_thatmustbeme i need to do a blog post about it
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ben_thatmustbeme i have left my personal blog somewhat a mess as I have been working to figure out all of the indieauth stuff again for my rewrite to laravel
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ben_thatmustbeme anyway, need to catch the train
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Zegnat Another option is to just add a GitHub project link to news, like here: https://news.indieweb.org/en/github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indienews
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Loqi [boffosocko.com] WordPress IndieNews
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@ScalaWilliam Webmention @ Indieweb. https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/865675416345862145)
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@benwerd I'm going to the #IndieWeb Summit in Portland next month. If you care about an independent web, you should too. https://2017.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/865683309128450049)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'm going to the #IndieWeb Summit in Portland next month. If you care about an independent web, you should too. http://2017.indieweb.org" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-05-19 http://werd.io/2017/im-going-to-the-indieweb-summit-in-portland-next-month
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@rretsiem Alles auf Anfang, alles Meins! https://renem.net/post/2017-05-19-alles-auf-anfang-alles-meins/ #blog #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/865683907760533506)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-19.html
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@rretsiem Alles auf Anfang, alles Meins! #blog #indieweb https://renem.net/post/2017-05-19-alles-auf-anfang-alles-meins/ (twitter.com/_/status/865688752794079234)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-05-19.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/865692308485808128/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/865692308485808128)
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tantek and now I have a use-case for "co-organizing" - IWS!
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tantek (as an RSVP)
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tantek and let's see if the IWS event de-dupes RSVPs from the same person >:D
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tantek looks like we're over 50% booked for IWS!
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[cleverdevil] That's awesome ?
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GWG I am close to making arrangements
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tantek I should do that today
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Loqi agreed.
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aaronpk wow
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tantek I'm posting another RSVP, to exercise another special-case RSVP use-case that I have, to RSVP to the secondary copies, and to see how RSVP de-duping is handled :D
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tantek has anyone already booked their hotel(s) for IWS?
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GWG Recommendations appreciated
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tantek pretty sure we can copy recommendations from the previous year
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@ScalaWilliam #Indieweb: https://indieweb.org/Why_web_sign-in I'm sold. I just added rel="me" to a few links on my website and it just (https://indieauth.com) works (twitter.com/_/status/865701828981174273)
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tantek awesome!
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aaronpk Nice
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@t co-organizing IndieWeb Summit 2017-06-24…25 @MozPDX! Welcome @benwerd; <25 spots left! RSVP: https://2017.indieweb.org/ (ttk.me t4oR1) (twitter.com/_/status/865702017062318080)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "co-organizing IndieWeb Summit 2017-06-24…25 @MozPDX! Welcome @benwerd; " on 2017-05-19 http://tantek.com/2017/139/t1/organizing-indieweb-summit
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tantek a-ha that time Twitter won the race
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tantek aaronpk - I've managed to indie RSVP *TWICE* to 2017.indieweb.org ;)
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aaronpk Oh boy
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tantek well to be fair, you did it first ;)
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[cleverdevil] So have you, haha.
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[cleverdevil] Yup.
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk My second one was via bridgy lol
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tantek in that case I should get a third lol
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aaronpk Well it is past my bedtime so good night!
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tantek good night aaronpk!
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Loqi laila tov!
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aaronpk Looking forward to indiewebcamp Nürnberg in just under 9 hours!
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tantek would anyone be interested in yoga sessions before the start of IndieWeb Summit (either or both days)?
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tantek sharing this here from chat channel because I think the person that said it would be ok with me doing so (i.e. not written by me) -----> "A hands-on conference focused on making your own website and connecting it to social media - so you don't have to store everything you make on Facebook"
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tantek ^^^ summary for IndieWebCamp / IndieWeb Summit
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tantek thoughts? iterations? how / should we add to indieweb.org/2017 and/or 2017.indieweb.org and/or POSSE copies?
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@ScalaWilliam https://indieweb.org/Principles (twitter.com/_/status/865711174255468544)
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@ScalaWilliam Indieweb: Own your data: https://indieweb.org/own-your-data (twitter.com/_/status/865711305662935040)
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