#indieweb 2017-05-20

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miklb
yes, I just updated that, thanks!
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GWG
asuh: And the links aren't there?
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asuh
miklb, awesome, thanks clearer
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asuh
GWG, that's correct. Nothing changes
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asuh
I was not able to see any link elements from the various social profiles I added to the profile section.
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miklb
asuh what theme are you using?
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asuh
TwentySeventeen
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GWG
asuh: Test, just to see if it works, adding the rel-me widget as an alternative.
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asuh
But I tried it on another site just to see if I was doing something wrong and it was the same result
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asuh
I did try that out and nothing showed up
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GWG
Odd. I'm using it on a site and it is definitely working.
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GWG
asuh: Can you open up an issue about this?
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GWG
I think I found the problem
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asuh
I hesitate to open an issue because there must be something i'm missing!
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@calum_ryan
Pre #IndieWebCamp Nuremburg discussion + breakfast with @Sebsel
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GWG
asuh: The bug was fixed, but no one updated the wordpress.org version.
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GWG
WordPress.org shows Version 3.0.5. The current version shows as 3.0.7 in the repository on Github.
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GWG
This is our mistake.
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asuh
ah, let me go try that out and i'll report back
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GWG
It takes two people to merge fixes into the Indieweb plugin
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GWG
One to submit, one to approve
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asuh
oh i see. ok so it's not on the repo yet
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GWG
asuh: It is in the repo, just not in wordpress.org
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GWG
Since I just noticed that, I'll try to update and arrange for a stable release to address.
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asuh
i don't see it in the repo: https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] wordpress-indieweb: Helps you establish your IndieWeb identity by extending the user profile to provide rel-me and h-card fields. It also includes a bundled installer for a core set of IndieWeb-related plugins.
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asuh
maybe i'm looking in the wrong place?
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GWG
Don't see what?
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GWG
IF you download the master branch
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miklb
3.0.6 is what is showing
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GWG
I'll start working on a formal release for 3.0.7
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GWG
3.0.6 has the single author fix
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GWG
3.0.7 removed some plugins.
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GWG
So, no issue there
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asuh
3.0.7 is not live in the repo?
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GWG
asuh: The version numbers just need to be changed.
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GWG
I'm going to do that now before I go to bed and then await approval.
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GWG
miklb: You want to be involved in the approval process? Right now, it is just pfefferle and myself.
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asuh
ok, so if i download the Github repo version and manually overwrite in /plugins, then i should be updated
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GWG
asuh: Yes
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GWG
And I'll work on a stable version, because I doubt you are the only one affected
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miklb
GWG if pfefferle is good with adding another person to that repo, I'd be happy to be a third pair of hands to help with repo maintenance
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GWG
miklb: It is an Indieweb organizational repo, not a pfefferle one.
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miklb
ah, right. then yes
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asuh
BTW, I noticed that the additional 8-10 plugins recommended to install, several of them are directly on Github. Would it make sense to have them controlled using Github Updater? https://github.com/afragen/github-updater
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Loqi
[afragen] github-updater: This WP plugin will update GitHub, Bitbucket, and GitLab hosted plugins and themes
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GWG
asuh: We are removing Github plugins from future versions to make it more user friendly and sticking to only .org ones.
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GWG
aaronpk: Would you be able to invite miklb to the Indieweb org on Github?
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GWG
I don't think I have invite privileges
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[colinwalker]
Morning.
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[colinwalker]
miklb Thanks for the clarification on comment types. Just FYI, I'm currently getting "cannot decide raw data" when trying to view your site (Safari, iOS)
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asuh
ok, that'll be good. something to be aware of is that when you clone directly from Github into the plugins folder, all those plugins are prepended with "wordpress-" whereas if you pull them from the WordPress.org repo, they do not include that prepend
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Loqi
*yawn*
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asuh
To be very clear on what I just wrote, when I initially installed the IndieWeb WordPress plugin, I went through the Dashboard area where you can install the plugins from within the Dashboard and the folder name was simply "indieweb" but when I just cloned directly from Github it suddenly became "wordpress-indieweb"
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asuh
I imagine for any legacy users like me where the installer cloned the repos from github, simply changing it over to WordPress repo might cause issues because of the prepending "wordpress-" on all the plugin folder names
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miklb
[colinwalker] thanks! I have been trying to test out wp-super-cache, must be something I'm missing there
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miklb
I disabled it for the time being
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[colinwalker]
Cool
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asuh
GWG: after cloning the plugin from the repo and activating, I'm still not seeing any new link elements in the <head>
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asuh
The alternative method of adding the rel="me" widget makes it show up there. But there's no <link> for rel="me" in the <head> by default as is written in the WordPress doc I linked to above
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GWG
If the widget is enabled, the head links should not show and vice versa.
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aaronpk
good morning! the livestream will begin shortly!
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GWG
But you've inspired me to make another pass at the plugin and see if I can release a new version.
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GWG
aaronpk: I should go to bed, to be honest.
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aaronpk
the current video will always be viewable at https://indieweb.org/live
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asuh
GWG: that's what I assumed. But I didn't see the <link> element either way
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GWG
asuh: I'll look into it either way.
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asuh
cool
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asuh
thanks for your attention!
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GWG
asuh: We're due for a new version.
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GWG
May even implement miklb's suggestion of a nicer plugin installer
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asuh
I'm new to all of this so maybe I'll see what I can contribute on Github
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asuh
although I'm a front-end dev so i'll be more limited
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@jkphl
#IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2017 about to kick off in a few minutes! #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/865839422381707264/photo/1
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pantal
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHykrp56So
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sl007
pantal++
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Loqi
pantal has 1 karma
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sknebel
pantal++
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Loqi
pantal has 2 karma
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sknebel
(is it cheating if I karma my own bot?)
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[colinwalker]
Looks like I've sorted how to re-add the webmention comment_type if it is a reply 🎉
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[colinwalker]
Thanks and good morning
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[jeremycherfas]
Good morning to you.
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@saltygrave15
Here are the final pages of The Hardcore & the Free. #webcomic #comicbook #webtoon #punkrock #indieweb #indiemusic https://twitter.com/saltygrave15/status/865843154301407232/photo/1
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@kevinmarks
@lynncyrin @indiewebcamp Not sure - a lot of #indieweb people are in Nürnberg this weekend. Do come to the indieweb… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/865843438880776194
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[kevinmarks]
this feels like I'm watching you wiht a surveillance camera
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@sl007
Ich mag das @YouTube-Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHykrp56So&feature=youtu.be&a= Introductions - IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2017
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[colinwalker]
Looking good guys
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gRegorLove
Haha "really criminal looking tk domains"
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Loqi
hehe
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gRegorLove
Whoa, never knew cweiske's site color was based on the time / weather
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@jkphl
You can find the @indiewebcamp live stream at http://nueww.de/live-stream/ or https://indieweb.org/live in case you're interested #nueww
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@xandruCea
Websites Introductions - IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2017 #live #IndieDev #WebDev #nueww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHykrp56So&feature=youtu.be via @YouTube
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@jkphl
#IndieWebCamp intros w/ ppl from Germany, Netherlands, UK, Italy, US, Malaysia / Argentina! http://nueww.de/live-stream/… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/865852603963408384
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aaronpk
Next up: Leo from Malaysia
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: What's the URL of that wordpress-social-site thing?
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[kevinmarks]
Getpop.org
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb! Good morning Nürnberg!
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aaronpk
Next up: Jan
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aaronpk
jansauer.de
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aaronpk
next: Dominic
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aaronpk
dominic.grzbielok.de
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aaronpk
julieannenoying.com
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aaronpk
alex-cio.de
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aaronpk
Joschi jkphl.is
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aaronpk
Sebastian
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aaronpk
maker.sfeld.eu
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gRegorLove
(the original Sebastian)
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aaronpk
Calum up next
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aaronpk
calumryan.com
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aaronpk
Sebastiaan seblog.nl
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@Sebsel
I'm at #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg! Demoing Micropub :)
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aaronpk
Markus
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aaronpk
no website yet, but has a domain
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aaronpk
platzverbot.de
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aaronpk
tbaader.de
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aaronpk
Sven svenknebel.de
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aaronpk
Martin
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aaronpk
martin.haseneyer.se
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Loqi
Martin Haseneyer
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Zegnat
Ooh, I like Sebastian’s maker.sfeld.eu’s footer text :D
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Zegnat
is trying to catch-up
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aaronpk
oh thanks Loqi
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aaronpk
Jeremy Cherfas
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Loqi
Jeremy Cherfas
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gRegorLove
Hey, Nucleus!
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gRegorLove
ran Nucleus for a long time
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aaronpk
Oliver
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Loqi
Walter Ebert
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[kevinmarks]
did you finish? live stream is showing a spinny thing
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gRegorLove
Yeah, session scheduling now then lunch
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gRegorLove
sessions start at 1:30
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Zegnat
Dominic has documented his pen & paper tools, nice! http://dominic.grzbielok.de/meine-tools/
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pantal
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JpEpiGU0A
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Zegnat
aaronpk: is there a schedule that needs to go up on the wiki?
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sebsel
sknebel is sending photo's, Zegnat :)
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Zegnat
Wanting to make myself useful because I feel like I am missing out ;)
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@calum_ryan
Discussing Homebrew Website Clubs promotion with fellow Europe-wide organisers #indieweb
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Zegnat
I hope someone is going to do a write up about HWC promotion!
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Zegnat
Nice!
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sknebel
Thank you Zegnat! (I couldn't get the photos of my phone, so sebsel redid it ;))
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Zegnat
I will get this up asap
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sebsel
We're having lunchbreak (after the lightning rounds)
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sebsel
the third room does not have a name yet...
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Zegnat
I basically forgot the entire third room because it didn’t have a name, hahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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@sl007
Ich mag das @YouTube-Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JpEpiGU0A&feature=youtu.be&a= #microformats - IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2017
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Zegnat
Is anyone from IRC going to #law? sknebel, sebsel?
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Zegnat
Ping dgold[m] for #law session at IWC Nuremberg. Also, if someone could make sure they discuss https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/39 I would be really pleased :D
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Loqi
[Zegnat] #39 Normalise licensing for projects in the IndieWeb GitHub org.
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Zegnat
sknebel: if you have WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger on your phone (though I guess you wouldn’t use either of those?) you can always use that to send me photos
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aaronpk
Zegnat: im going to the #law session!
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Zegnat
Nice, aaronpk! I would love to be kept in the loop on that. Though I am guessing that is not the one that will be streamed?
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aaronpk
Correct, they needed the projector for the other session
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aaronpk
how's the audio on the stream btw? Hopefully you can't hear the other session? We are all in the same room basically
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Zegnat
Let me go check. I don’t keep the stream open because capped internet
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sl007
aaronpk - well we can hear em but it's ok
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Zegnat
What is the quickest way to get to the stream? Do we have a redirect somewhere using indieweb.org?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "quickest way to get to the stream" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10iJ
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aaronpk
hm i want to change the hashtag for the #introduction session, since I called this morning "Introductions" already
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Zegnat
Sure, go ahead, I just copied the postits
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Zegnat
Switching between sessions? Not a good moment for me to test the stream sound
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aaronpk
lunchtime right now
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aaronpk
guess i can just play back one ofthe videos
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Zegnat
I could hear you talking about leaving your computer and something about live streaming, aaronpk
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Zegnat
And that wasn’t even aimed at the mic. So things seem fine.
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Zegnat
I am now eavesdropping on jkphl
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Zegnat
Sound on the presentation is loud and clear, aaronpk!
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Zegnat
Whoever asked about nested h-cards (at the end of the table) was harder to pick-up on microphone. aaronpk
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calumryan
Nuremberg Web Week interviews currently so streamed sessions not yet started
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Zegnat
calumryan, what do you means sessions not started yet?
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Zegnat
I am listening to aaronpk and his microformats session
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Zegnat
Or is this not live?
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Zegnat
Well, crap, this wasn’t live. Oh well. Microphone comment still applies ;)
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calumryan1
Intro session however hasn't
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Zegnat
Yeah, calumryan1, my mistake for thinking I was watching a livestream when YouTube had simply started streaming the lightning session
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pantal
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vm_qlyb8PU
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Zegnat
Now it is live!
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calumryan
How's the sound on the stream?
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Zegnat
Fine, I can hear jkphl good. Sometimes a little low, but I don’t hear much from the other session.
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Zegnat
The real question is what happens when people start asking questions and more round-table happens
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Zegnat
needs a minute to grab lunch
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Zegnat
That tantek quote is nice, but needs a permalink ;)
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Zegnat
calumryan1 is the WiFi unstable?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Doing it the Hard Way" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-03-30 https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Embracing the IndieWeb" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-01-25 https://ascraeus.org/embracing-the-indieweb/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb Adventures" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-02-21 https://ascraeus.org/indieweb-adventures/
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calumryan
Zegnat: stable, just disconnecting my Android client as it keeps rejoining
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Zegnat
Question for IWC gang: is there anyone there who is just getting started with HTML? That includes people who may have a domain or WordPress site, but wouldn’t be able to just “add classes”? #buildingblocks actually sounds like too highlevel for those people. Which made me wonder.
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calumryan
The next session will be on this, I may be wrong but I think everyone has reached past that level here
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Zegnat
calumryan, if you can get a feel for the room, that would be sweet. I am thinking of 2016’s Düsseldorf where some of us helped people just with HTML. And with last night’s discussion around getting more people involved for IWS that has been going through my mind.
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Zegnat
Also: kudos to whoever asked jkphl what “Tom” had gained after getting to IndieWeb level 1. /we should really get a better answer to that.
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Zegnat
is using IRC again for his own note taking and thoughts sharing
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calumryan
First time I’ve seen jkphl doing his talk introducing the IndieWeb. Really good for new people. I can see he’s used some of the ideas from my talk on it last year but he covers much more detail
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calumryan
jkphl++
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Loqi
jkphl has 28 karma
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Zegnat
Good PESOS example might also be Swarm? Good app for checkins, hard to build that yourself (maps, GPS, etc), so you PESOS.
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Zegnat
Ah, adactio read my mind
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Zegnat
Or the other way around
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Zegnat
Did someone just clap by hitting the tabel?
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Zegnat
Please don’t.
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Zegnat
calumryan ^^^
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Zegnat
Another tip for next session: don’t roll-up the screen while someone is talking either. Makes for a lot of background noise to listen through, imho.
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Zegnat
Whos is the lovely English accent asking the clever questions at #buildingblocks?
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Zegnat
Live stream is at indieweb.org/live (if anyone asks)! And someone just asked!
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Zegnat
#buildingblocks had so many great questions for #onboarding, wow
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Zegnat
new camera angle, aaronpk?
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Zegnat
Oh, maybe not, only looked like it big
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pantal
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4UDZD87J0
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Zegnat
will actually note in etherpad
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Zegnat
30 seconds delay?! :o
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[jeremycherfas]
That would be me Zegnat. <blushing>
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Zegnat
[jeremycherfas], you are the accent?
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Zegnat
makes mental note
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Zegnat
Alright, cweiske will have to do his thing. I can sometimes read what he writes on etherpad before aaronpk says it on my stream
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Zegnat
Live stream became choppy :i
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Zegnat
[jeremycherfas]: Eat This Podcast link on https://www.jeremycherfas.net/about/ is broken. (I may or may not have been verifying your voice through your podcast ;) )
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Zegnat
This feels like way more than 30 seconds delay. I saw the link pass by on etherpad a while before it came up on the stream.
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Zegnat
What clients let me change fields? aaronpk?
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[jeremycherfas]
Thanks for the heads up zegnat. I'll try to fix it from here.
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Zegnat
aaronpk: there was h-card-as-a-service somewhere, right?
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Zegnat
goes and sulks about IRC not being on screen in the streamed room
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Zegnat
Identity and posting feed are definitely not the same case! See me.
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Zegnat
I login to the wiki with a subfolder on a domain name owned by my mom.
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Zegnat
https://indieweb.org/h-card_as_a_service - not sure if this could have been used to login though.
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Zegnat
tk TLD is (or used to be) free, which is probably where it got its status
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Zegnat
Thanks whoever told them not to hit the table!
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aaronpk
heh i can't figure out how to make youtube start a new video
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Zegnat
Notes for #micropub are on the wiki! https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/micropub thanks cweiske!
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Zegnat
Both #buildingblocks and #micropub had interesting onboarding questions. I am going to have a lot of thoughts to write up tomorrow.
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Zegnat
Next one streamed is #decentralized, notes should go here: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/decentralized
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Zegnat
I will probably be idling in https://etherpad.indieweb.org/law
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Zegnat
Oh, I can eavesdrop on #law. If everyone speaks up a little I am in ;) aaronpk
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sknebel
we are coming to you
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Zegnat
Hahaha, welcome everyone!
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Loqi
hehe
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Zegnat
Interesting note on #law, Tantek puts a text on his Facebook that informs commenters that comments might be mirrored on his site.
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Zegnat
“ Comments/likes may be copied to original posts & made public!” - in his intro https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik
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Zegnat
sknebel, was that “Leistungsschutzrecht für Presseverleger”?
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sknebel
Zegnat: yes
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Zegnat
CC-BY would require you to “provide a link to the license”. So every comment will have to link to its specific licence.
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Zegnat
Also note that CC-BY-NC could be horrible, I might not be allowed to use your comment if I have ads. Unless I quote under fairuse &c.
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Zegnat
So please pick the right one
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sl007
sknebel aaronpk In terms of such vocabulary properties these 12 are the concencus in "media" http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/
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sl007
these 12 are very common
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Zegnat
Thanks sknebel for being my voice~
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Zegnat
Any of the following is scoped under GDPR (according to wikipedia): According to the European Commission "personal data is any information relating to an individual, whether it relates to his or her private, professional or public life. It can be anything from a name, a home address, a photo, an email address, bank details, posts on social networki
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Zegnat
So if you parse a name, email address, or twitter post, you are processing personal data and must abide by GDPR. IANAL&c&c
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Zegnat
ng websites, medical information, or a computer’s IP address."
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Zegnat
So Bridgy would definitely be under GDPR.
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Zegnat
What being under GDPR means, I am not 100% sure.
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Zegnat
Also from wikipedia: “Valid consent must be explicit for data collected and the purposes data is used for (Article 7; defined in Article 4).” Which is a bit of a headache for webmention endpoints, possibly, maybe.
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Zegnat
If I have not consented to you parsing my hcard, that might give you problems
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aaronpk
Hence then need for rel license which is essentially an explicit consent
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Zegnat
Yeah, I now get aaronpk saying he should give consent with sending webmentions. Stream delay is hampering me a little ;)
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Zegnat
needs to call in to this, hahaha
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Zegnat
You would need to license your personal information (your hcard) under CC.
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Zegnat
If you want to get away from GDPR stuff.
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sknebel
I'm looking at what you write and throw in quotes if it fits
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Zegnat
Yeah, I just write 30+ seconds behind ;)
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Zegnat
Question: do we know if WithKnown the company has looked into this before?
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Zegnat
Where this comes from, sknebel: we are trying to get journalists to post on their own sites. They may have a contract with their publisher that allows them to publish it themselves, but will not allow us to repost. (This is purely about reposting entire articles, of course.)
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Zegnat
adactio just needs to make sure he has the rights to use the contributions forever. That is the licensing.
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adactio
Zegnat: Thanks. I'll look into what Wikipedia use.
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Zegnat
adactio: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#7._Licensing_of_Content “all users contributing to the Projects are required to grant broad permissions to the general public to re-distribute and re-use their contributions freely” - and then a lot more, of course
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adactio
Zegnat++
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Loqi
zegnat has 38 karma in this channel (44 overall)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Facebook Goes Full “Black Mirror”: How Facebook Is Making Membership a Prerequisite to Everyday…" by kevinmarks on 2017-05-20 https://thebolditalic.com/facebook-goes-full-black-mirror-how-facebook-is-making-membership-a-prerequisite-to-everyday-e88fb03b0eb9
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Loqi
Licensing
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Loqi
licensing-formats
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Zegnat
facts (metadata about files) are never copyrightable (unless odd database laws apply)
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Zegnat
personal information is ... iffy.
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Zegnat
sknebel: you are also talking about Recht am eigenen Bild too, right?
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Zegnat
That’s a whole different nightmare :p
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Zegnat
Or maybe I am confusing that one with the Dutch portretrecht.
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sknebel
Zegnat: yeah, it kind of is, but the fact that you can identify someone is an important part of its justification (from my understanding)
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Zegnat
p-license="MIT" vs u-license="https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT" vs ... parsing will be tricky unless spec’ed.
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Zegnat
There are IDs for licenses: https://spdx.org/licenses/
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Zegnat
^^^ sknebel
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Zegnat
Parsing rules are hard. And sometimes confusing. Especially adding a u-whatever on a h-whatever which will then take the u-url value from h-whatever.
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Zegnat
p-* could still be a URL!
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Zegnat
I think? :p
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Zegnat
aaronpk uses rel
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Zegnat
Oh, sounds like sebsel was also checking? Or reading me checking
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Zegnat
That was really interesting!
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pantal
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4VBK56P4g
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Zegnat
#law is wikied. though I need to do a little clean-up still. https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/law
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sknebel
Zegnat++
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Loqi
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sknebel
(also, I'm really happy pantal still works. was kind of worried he'd crash)
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Zegnat
Are you pantal, sknebel?
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Zegnat
Who is notetaking location?
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sknebel
pantal runs is on my server
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Zegnat
sknebel, you are notetaking? Then I will stop, because I am always lagging behind.
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sknebel
Zegnat: ok
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sknebel
although you don'T seem to lag much right now
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Zegnat
Maybe it grows over time with buffering kicking in etc. Don’t know.
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Zegnat
ask aaronpk if this map of all is allowed to be linked please
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Zegnat
sknebel ^^^
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Zegnat
Before we put it somewhere where it will be logged
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Zegnat
thanks :)
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Zegnat
Note to self for later discussion: IWC/IWS/HWC needs a policy on links being made public. I think I have shared links from tantek that weren’t supposed to be public before. And once they enter the IRC logs or the wiki history…
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Zegnat
Possible reason to have your location: safety pages!
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Zegnat
sknebel link of the shown Google Street View example?
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Zegnat
SOUND
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Zegnat
Well, I don’t know what people say, hahahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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Zegnat
imagines an "Intermission" screen on stream
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Zegnat
And we are back
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tantek
o/ IWC Nürnberg!
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Zegnat
I kinda want to use those NY coordinates for coordinate display below posts now
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Zegnat
What tag page is adactio scrolling through?
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Zegnat
Thanks, adding to etherpad!
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Zegnat
Hahaha, sorry for all the pink!
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Zegnat
I don’t like 3words for the reason adactio gives
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Zegnat
There are google plus codes that is open
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GWG
tantek: You know that WordPress Indieweb rel me problem you were working on the other day? I think I figured out why
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tantek
GWG, that would be great
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Zegnat
sknebel Google Plus Codes also has the property of adding and removing letters for precision.
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GWG
tantek: I fixed it in September. But neither pfefferle nor I pushed a new version to wordpress.org since then
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GWG
So, I'm prepping a new version
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tantek
oh dear
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tantek
yeah ship early ship often!
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tantek
which reminds me, I updated /Falcon with a minor feature enhancement yesterday
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GWG
Well, most of the plugins we work on, pfefferle has to upload to wordpress.org as the author. But I can push this one.
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tantek
GWG, it's probably the most important WordPress plugin since it is the first one people will install to become IndieWeb ready
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GWG
Except I want to add some additional changes and fixes...and another community member has to review any PRs.
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GWG
I implemented miklb's suggestion.
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GWG
Figured I might as well close some other issues.
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GWG
miklb: The alternate plugin installer
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miklb
I'll take a look
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GWG
Look at the 'mayfixes' branch in my version of the repo
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tantek
GWG, consider making it a goal to ship updates to all the key IndieWeb WordPress plugins *before* IWS
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GWG
I was going to work on something else, but the realization we haven't pushed that fix inspired me to make more fixes and try to do a new version.
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tantek
so that anyone new to IWS who starts with WordPress has a better chance of success
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miklb
tantek I hope to have a new mf2 WP theme ready IWS also
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tantek
consider how can you help new WordPress folks at IWS make this summary of IWS a success for them? "A hands-on conference focused on making your own website and connecting it to social media - so you don't have to store everything you make on Facebook"
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tantek
miklb++ awesome! that would be great too
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Loqi
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GWG
tantek: I have a major Semantic Linkbacks rewrite that was reviewed and changes requested. I want to try to get that done before. I'm going to try to get these fixes for Indieweb done this weekend. And I'll try to handle any outstanding bugs for my other plugins if I can.
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GWG
tantek: Oh, and if you missed it in the logs...I bought my ticket last night
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sknebel
Zegnat: oh yeah, now the stream lagged terribly behind
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sknebel
I hope it still was followable
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Zegnat
Stream ended just now.
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tantek
GWG great! I need to buy my plane tickets and reserve hotel too. I'll be in Boston beforehand for the @W3CAB meeting so it's bit more complicated for me
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Zegnat
It is followable, I made notes on etherpad, it is just too far behind to join the conversation
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Zegnat
tantek, note for IWS that might need some thinking, not sure if you had entered the channel yet when I jotted it down: IWC/IWS/HWC needs a policy on links being made public. I think I have shared links from tantek that weren’t supposed to be public before. And once they enter the IRC logs or the wiki history…
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Zegnat
Going to dump the etherpad now. while you all go and pose for the photo ;)
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sknebel
Zegnat: to bad :/ anyways, we're done for the day, only photo and closing session. so we say bye for now!
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miklb
GWG I'll take a look at your branch later, need to run some errands. I also want to make some progress on the theme this weekend. we can have our own little IWC hack time :-)
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GWG
Also, if anyone is interested, my room has an extra bed which I will rent at 50% of room cost. The hotel in question has a pool, and is only a 20 minute ride by streetcar away.
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tantek
Zegnat, in general we tell people things are blogged / public by default at HWC/IWC/IWS, and that if they don't want something to be, they should say "off the record" or "please don't post/tweet" etc. *BEFORE* they say something
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tantek
that's worked well for HWC SF when KevinMarks_ is livetweeting
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GWG
I should eat something. It's 11:30 and I haven't had breakfast.
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Zegnat
Have a good evening sknebel, pass my greetings along to the guys there, and if interesting pub talks come up you know where to find me ;) Or have sebsel WhatsApp me ;)
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GWG
My diet says I should spread my meals more evenly.
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tantek
GWG key functionality: IndieAuth (via IndieWeb Plugin), POSSE, backfeed to at least Twitter + FB.
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Loqi
agreed.
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miklb
many small meals > few big meals
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tantek
sees last night's WordPress indieweb tech support :)
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Zegnat
tantek was there a page on the wiki with basically the “introduction script” for when an IWS/IWC is opened? So we can add that to remind people to explicitly inform everyone?
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tantek
and I think we clone + edit for each IWC/IWS
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Zegnat
Will check it out, thanks!
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aaronpk
that's it for today! Thanks everyone!
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Zegnat
4 session etherpads have already made it to the wiki. I am going to check the others and dump accordingly.
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Zegnat
Did #decentralized just not happen? aaronpk, sebsel, sknebel?
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Loqi
[Zegnat] That tantek quote is nice, but needs a permalink ;)
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GWG
tantek: IndieAuth login to your site or rel-me so you can log into IndieAuth? As for POSSE and backfeed...I have the Bridgy Publish plugin which is part of the update which is a UI for Bridgy Publish. I probably should add in some Bridgy to that.
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tantek
GWG, rel-me
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GWG
tantek: The tech support was what made me realize the fact that we hadn't pushed a fix to .org
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tantek
GWG, for POSSE+backfeed there needs to be complete instructions for getting that to work
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Zegnat
tantek: jkphl / Joschi quoted you at least 2 in his presentation on #buildingblocks
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Zegnat
But the slides didn’t have permalinks, that’s what my comment was jokingly aimed at
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Zegnat
Or I should say: the slides did not have a permalink with the attribution of the quote
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tantek
Zegnat, re: #law see also /disclosure
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Zegnat
One quote was: “I don't care about federation, I care about my content, I care about my friends.”
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tantek
that may be from my 2014 PDF talk
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GWG
tantek: Linked or as a page?
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tantek
(personal democracy forum)
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tantek
GWG, people keep coming back to the "Getting started with WordPress" page on the wiki
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tantek
so that needs to get cleaned up to prioritize on literally *getting started*, cutting out all the long narrative text
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] a jpg. “If it’s not curlable, it’s not on the web.” 📷 @jkphl js;dr in print! Thanks to Joschi for the photograph of page 88 of @heydonworks’s new book “Inclusive Design Patterns”. From: https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/792452368562... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14727432_731510153666939_4681621250081030144_n.jpg
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Zegnat
The famous curlable quote
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tantek
where getting started = rel-me + POSSE + backfeed
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tantek
Zegnat looks like the most recent /Introductions might be from IWC 2016 MIT
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tantek
there should be a /2016/Introductions but the page doesn't exist and I don't know where it ended up.
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tantek
is caught up with logs and now has to go for the day.
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Zegnat
All etherpads, except for #onboarding which spans two events, have been dumped to the wiki.
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aaronpk
Yay thanks Zegnat!
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Zegnat
I think I will add the YouTube links to both the schedule page and to each session’s page now. That makes sense to me.
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Zegnat
aaronpk, I think it shows how much I wanted to be there ;) haha
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Loqi
nice
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aaronpk
Yes definitely add the YouTube links! Also apologies in advance for the accidental combined video for two of the sessions
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Zegnat
I will use a timestamped link for the second one.
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Zegnat
aaronpk: Only person who needs to apologise is adactio, for that Johnny Cash song that deafened me ;)
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sknebel
Zegnat: pretty sure decentralized happened, but only had people who already forgot about/were not comfortable with etherpad?
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tantek
perhaps the notes were decentralized instead of being on one etherpad? ;)
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Zegnat
#decentralized was supposed to be in the stream room, sknebel. When you moved #law into there (for my benefit).
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sknebel
Zegnat think they went outside? Not sure
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@IndieWebCampDE
Die #IndieWebCamp-Mannschafft triffz sich gleich im Kettensteg. Komm dazu! https://g.co/kgs/G21v9t
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@jkphl
Heading to the Kettensteg beergarden for after-#IndieWebCamp beers and food. Join us! https://g.co/kgs/G21v9t +@ingodibella
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aaronpk
sknebel: sebsel: did you see Joschi's message?
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Zegnat
sebsel has already left his WiFi zone, I believe.
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aaronpk
Just saw him check in on Swarm
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aaronpk
oh my Loqi
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Zegnat
Hmm, sebsel doesn’t seem to mark-up any content on that checkin h-entry. So Loqi default to textcontent I am assuming? But h-entry is set to the BODY.
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miklb
wonders how much coffee Zegnat has had today
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Zegnat
miklb: I don’t even drink coffee ;)
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jjuran
I'm open to suggestions for the contents of <https://www.jsdr.org/>
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Zegnat
Please display something different for people with JS blocked vs JS turned-on, jjuran ;)
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Zegnat
Alright, I think all session pages have their respective YouTube links now, aaronpk :)
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[colinwalker]
miklb I sorted re-adding the webmention comment type for replies
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miklb
[colinwalker] as I said, I wasn't 100% sure the reasoning it gets removed, other than I think I recall mention that it was needed to do replies to comments as webmetions. I'll be interested to see your solution.
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GWG
miklb, [colinwalker]: Replies are comments. But there is a new way to address.
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@asciidisco
@jkphl @ingodibella I slowly get the impression that this Indieweb thingie is just an excuse for Feierabend beers :D
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@huffduffer
This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • May 13th - 19th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/408876
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@schmarty
Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for May 13th - 19th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/05/20/141658/
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Zegnat
Hiya j4y_funabashi!
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j4y_funabashi
hey Zegnathow goes it?
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GWG
miklb: More enhancements coming through on mayfixes
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Zegnat
j4y_funabashi, I am slowly getting down from my IWC high
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j4y_funabashi
Zegnat: I am just watching some of the videos and want to say I have really enjoyed all of the Dusseldorf IWC videos on youtube - the conversations were very interesting and the audio has really improved!
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j4y_funabashi
Zegnat: has your list of itches grown too?
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Zegnat
I have one enormous itch to get rid of before I let my list grow any further
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Zegnat
Audio was really good today too. The schedule has icons for today’s recordings: https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/Schedule
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j4y_funabashi
oh excellent, I was feeling sad that I only had the Dusseldorf Demos left to watch!
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j4y_funabashi
happy dance
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j4y_funabashi
Zegnat: what's the enormous itch?
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Zegnat
The #law and #location sessions are definitely worth your time. For #law you can even back-up the play time a little if you want to exercise eaves dropping ;) They were talking in a different part of the building. They moved to the microphone when (I think) sknebel asked them if they could move the microphone for me.
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Zegnat
j4y_funabashi: http://zegnat.net/media/thing.png - I want Facebook like activity posting. Like http://wiki.zegnat.net/media/fb4.png.
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Zegnat
Although I want it to stack ad infinitum. Facebook only allows me to either be watching a thing, or eating a thing. Their activities (that includes moods) do not stack.
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j4y_funabashi
ooh that sounds interesting, so is it a micropub client?
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Zegnat
I am working on how I am going to store infinitely stacked meta data. I am planning to enable posting through Micropub, yes.
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Zegnat
The Micropub client will probably be unusable to everyone but me though, I expect most of the data that gets posted will not be parsed by regular blogs.
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Zegnat
I hope to do IWC Berlin, so I better have it all done by then
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Zegnat
j4y_funabashi, how is your itchlist?
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j4y_funabashi
Zegnat: Good, I had a bit of a lull after being on holiday but now I am back working on implementing /swat0
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Zegnat
gRegorLove, I am tracking your wiki changes, so next time when I do session pages I can get it right in one go
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j4y_funabashi
I show all incoming mentions on https://j4y.co/webmentions and I am currently working on parsing the special cases for homepage and person mentions
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Loqi
[Liz Scattergood] Liz Scattergood liked your post 19th May, 2017
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gRegorLove
Zegnat: Main things I like to do are a dfn so it shows up in the newsletter with a one sentence blurb, and [[Category: 2017 sessions]], with the current year of course
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gRegorLove
Looks like you did great though, thanks!
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gRegorLove
Zegnat++
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Loqi
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[datacomputist]
Is there a place to host a website composed of static HTML files for free?
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[datacomputist]
Whole site is probably < 100 MB.
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gRegorLove
What is static hosting?
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Loqi
Static site generators are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static html files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/static_hosting
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skippy
[datacomputist]: GitHub Pages?
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gRegorLove
what is hosting?
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Loqi
Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
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Zegnat
Specifically the static hosting section: https://indieweb.org/hosting#Static_domain_hosting
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j4y_funabashi
gRegorLove++ for the inspiration on notification pages
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
j4y_funabashi: Oh?
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[datacomputist]
"Static" just means I don't need the server to be able to host PHP or even have JVM etc.
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gRegorLove
Oh, my responses page? I should do more with that. Glad it inspired, though :)
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skippy
[datacomputist]: any cheap hosting would do that. $2.50 USD per month: https://www.vultr.com/pricing/
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[datacomputist]
Problem is that I already have the set of HTML files, and don't want to use that Jekyll thing.
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Zegnat
[datacomputist], yes, that is what the static domain hosting on the hosting page talks about.
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[datacomputist]
$2.5 still not ideal. I want real free.
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skippy
jekyll doesn't serve your pages. it just builds them.
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j4y_funabashi
gRegorLove: yeah I was looking for more people who listed all incoming webmentions and you pointed me to https://gregorlove.com/responses/
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Zegnat
GitHub pages should be able to take HTML pages, no need for “Jekyll thing” at all
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[datacomputist]
So just commit the set of HTML files to a repo on Github and configure, it will work?
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gRegorLove
Fun indieweb story: that responses page helped me see a tweet from someone who was having trouble contacting me.
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j4y_funabashi
gRegorLove: which inspired https://j4y.co/webmentions (i am thinking of renaming to /notifications)
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Loqi
[Liz Scattergood] Liz Scattergood liked your post 19th May, 2017
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Zegnat
[datacomputist], yes, see https://pages.github.com/
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gRegorLove
They ended up setting up a new Twitter account and based on my settings, I never saw their tweet (they were an egg)
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Zegnat
The example GitHub has is a straight-up HTML index.html file
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miklb
skippy last I checked, those 2.50 vultr aren't available anymore
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gRegorLove
Except I received a webmention for it and happened to look at that page.
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miklb
GWG++
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Loqi
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miklb
I think that new plugin/extension page is an improvement
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skippy
miklb: I wondered how long it would last.
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GWG
miklb: I also addressed every one of pfefferle's concerns, I hope.
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gRegorLove
Subsequently it helped me realize my contact page was set to only be visible to admins, so I got that sorted and have a public contact page again, hah
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GWG
Or at least tried to
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miklb
I got one for a hubot, but haven't been able to buy another since
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skippy
likes the /responses page
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skippy
I might need to do something like that.
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GWG
miklb: All those plugins need icons
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miklb
GWG heh, I thought the same thing when I looked at that page
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miklb
even if use the IW logo w/ the name for now
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skippy
gRegorLove: this meta tag looks broken in your header: <link rel="subscribe" href="http://woodwind.xyz/subscribe?origin={url}" />
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miklb
is there an "official" micropub logo
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skippy
gRegorLove: and what is this? <meta name="verify-v1" content="jlPFlChV87HVSQp0xCGXuiMvyf3Ii5azhP2LcDg4bUM=" />
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gRegorLove
skippy: That's correct. It's an experiment with... I forget what it's called
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gRegorLove
Some feed reader subscriptioni think aaronpk was working on.
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miklb
the verify is for Google, yes?
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gRegorLove
verify should be google, yeah. I should check if I still need it or if it's a one-time thing
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Loqi
[kylewm] woodwind: Unsophisticated stream-style indieweb reader supporting h-feed and xml formats
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skippy
thanks for the explanations.
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miklb
what is micropub
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Loqi
Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Proposed Recommendation) that is used to create, update, and delete posts on one's own domain using third-party clients, and supersedes both MetaWeblog and AtomPub https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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GWG
We need to find an artist in the community
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gRegorLove
We have many
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gRegorLove
skippy: Woodwind is the reader, yes, but it was some experiment with subscribing. Looking for the details.
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gRegorLove
What is rel-subscribe?
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Loqi
rel-subscribe is an experimental rel value for linking from your home page to your subscription endpoint, and is currently prototyped by https://aaronparecki.com/photo.jpgAaron Parecki on aaronparecki.com; try the Follow button in the right side of the footer of his home page or any permalink https://indieweb.org/rel-subscribe
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GWG
gRegorLove: One who will do logos for IndieWeb WordPress plugins?
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skippy
thanks.
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Zegnat
gRegorLove, I think verify is a one time thing while you link your domain to your google account
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Loqi
Aaron Parecki
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@hmans
We should also write HTML using JSON because JSON is easier to read and write and less error prone. Get to it, browser vendors!
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gRegorLove
It basically lets me enter my domain name on someone's "Follow" page and it automatically subscribes in my preferred reader.
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skippy
seems overly complicated to me. *shrug*
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jjuran
[kevinmarks]: "Translate from Indonesian" :-D
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gRegorLove
It's a young experiment. I forget the exact reasoning for it, but probably to give a more familiar "follow" UI like social networks, but indie, without having to go to your reader and paste in a link. SubToMe is good for that too.
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[kevinmarks]
datacomputist github pages is pretty good for static hosting. See https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site for a minimal example
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Loqi
[indieweb] blank-gh-site: Setup a simple new indieweb site on a domain name in mere minutes with this project.
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jjuran
Actually, some of my HTML is generated from Perl data structures.
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[kevinmarks]
(I timed my son setting up kitmarks.com on that project and it was under 15 minutes, including the dns changes)
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[kevinmarks]
I have jsontoxoxo for that
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jjuran
I've been developing my own programming language: https://www.vcode.org/
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gRegorLove
Google does periodically check the meta tag to re-verify apparently: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35179?hl=en
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gRegorLove
About every 30 days it looks like.
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dougbeal
Hurm, so adding syndications via Bridgy clears out all the existing syndications. When Brid.gy creates a post, is it updating the wordpress version via micropub?
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GWG
dougbeal: What do you mean, clear out?
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miklb
gRegorLove you can also have a txt record in your DNS
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dougbeal
GWG: I'm using OWG, so it starts with instagram. If then I edit the post to just add facebook vis the brid.gy checkbox, it will then only have facebook
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miklb
that sounds like a bug
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dougbeal
GWG: It also adds Array at the end?
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Zegnat
Aah, gRegorLove, I think I used the extra HTML file for verification. That way I didn’t need any meta tags at all.
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dougbeal
GWG: Glancing through the bridgy plugin, it looks like it handles merging mf2_syndication just fine, unless its a PHP type issue?
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GWG
dougbeal: Array at the end of what? Trying to understand.
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dougbeal
GWG: The edit post syndication field
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dougbeal
GWG: it will have 1 line for each syndication url, then just say Array
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dougbeal
What is the wordpress plugin release process like? Could it happen automatically with a release via Travis?
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GWG
dougbeal: There are ways to automate it. It uses SVN, so one of us just has to decide to push a release. But we only push when we feel something is stable. So it needs testing.
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GWG
dougbeal: That array thing shouldn't happen. Can you do me a favor? Install a plugin called Post Meta Inspector, open the post in question, and send me the output?
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dougbeal
GWG: sure
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dougbeal
GWG: gist?
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GWG
gist is fine
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GWG
Whereever you want. Nothing there is a security issue
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dougbeal
GWG: here is the current post, let me create a new OwnYourGram post as well https://gist.github.com/dougbeal/7cafc487e32de13c314bfe3fb8e38468
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GWG
dougbeal: Looking at that, it should display correctly. But what I see there actually helps a lot in the OYG testing
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Loqi
[dshanske] #57 Support OYG Place Name Property
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[kevinmarks]
I hate that flickr gives a sign in page on mobile now
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GWG
Hello, [kevinmarks]
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Zegnat
!tell aaronpk is there any way for you to retroactively tweak the volume of the youtube broadcast? See the timestamps here: https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/location#Video
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
I'd have to download it and play with the audio. What's wrong?
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Loqi
aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 11 minutes ago: is there any way for you to retroactively tweak the volume of the youtube broadcast? See the timestamps here: https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/location#Video
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KevinMarks
Try the YouTube editor, it does have audio controls
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Zegnat
It is when Johnny Cash blasts out
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Zegnat
I think adactio may have muted the audio there? But on the stream it kept blasting. Had quite the shock when it kicked in.
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Zegnat
But if it needs a whole reupload (with possible quality loss on reencoding) it might not be worth it.
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GWG
New Indieweb Enhancements merged in
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@jkphl
Having Mai Tai @ Kon Tiki and thinking of @maddesigns & @PatrickLobacher. Cheers! 🍸 #nueww #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/866032227406286850/photo/1
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dougbeal
GWG: I added another file to the gist, mf2_syndication looks fine, but doesn't match Syndication Links field in Post edit
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dougbeal
What is dfn
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "dfn" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10iK
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dougbeal
What is dfn is this context? 11:50 <gRegorLove> Zegnat: Main things I like to do are a dfn so it shows up in the newsletter with a one sentence blurb
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "dfn is this context" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10iL
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dougbeal
in this context
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gRegorLove
What is dfn?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "dfn" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10iM
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Zegnat
dougbeal, it is a <dfn> tag on the wiki page, used by Loqi and other parsers to give a summary of what the page is about
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gRegorLove
dougbeal: <dfn> HTML element. Loqi automatically adds the p-summary mf2 based on that
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Zegnat
What is HTML?
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Loqi
HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language used to create web pages, thus one of the building blocks of the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/HTML
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Zegnat
Like that definition ^^^
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gRegorLove
If you view source there, the wiki automatically adds the p-summary around the first sentence with the <dfn> element. Then when we ask "what is" Loqi answers with the p-summary.
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dougbeal
What is p-summary
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "p-summary" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10iN
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GWG
New version of the WordPress Indieweb plugin incoming.
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gRegorLove
p-summary is the microformat class for a short entry summary in an [[h-entry]]
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dougbeal
Did that just create a wiki entry?
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miklb
what is p-summary
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gRegorLove
Loqi did, yep!
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gRegorLove
There's a few minute window after a "what is" question for a non-existent page.
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dougbeal
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gregorlove has 94 karma in this channel (132 overall)
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gRegorLove
What is Loqi
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Loqi
Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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Loqi
loqi has 58 karma in this channel (426 overall)
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Loqi
gwg has 205 karma in this channel (224 overall)
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gRegorLove
Commands documented there ^
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dougbeal
Zegnat++
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Loqi
slow down!
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dougbeal
Loqi you wouldn't let me put them all on the same line :P
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dougbeal
What formats a twitter synication? Brid.gy or a plugin?
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GWG
Microformats in the theme mostly
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dougbeal
It pulled the title, and nothing else :(
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KartikPrabhu
i would recommend against usng mf-classes for styling and presentation
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GWG
dougbeal: You can use the option that allows you to set the excerpt as the Twitter text
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dougbeal
What is mf-classes
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "mf-classes" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10iP
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KartikPrabhu
dougbeal: microformats markup
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dougbeal
GWG: in the WP Bridgy plugin?
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GWG
Yes
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gRegorLove
Yeah, due to the flexibility of microformats you can place them on different elements. If you start styling using them and then later move them around, you'll have to re-work your styles.
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Loqi
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dougbeal
GWG: the excerpt is everything before the fold?
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GWG
In the post UI, there is a box for it
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GWG
pfefferle, back to Semantic Linkbacks for me.
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dougbeal
GWG: summary/quote?
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@pfefferle
thanks @dshanske for releasing a new #WordPress #indieweb version https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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GWG
Not in the Post Properties box, it has its own
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dougbeal
GWG: ah, didn't have it display, thanks
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GWG
I could have made a box, but thought this was more integrated
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[pfefferle]
GWG thanks for the changes... now I can re-enable the plugin without any problems 🙂
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GWG
pfefferle, glad you liked it.
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GWG
Should help with onboarding new people
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[colinwalker]
Sorry guys, was driving. Here's how I'm putting the webmentions comment type back for replies:
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GWG
Why not just ask for a setting in Semantic Linkbacks that allows you to disable that feature?
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aaronpk
Zegnat: omg I just realized that the livestream was piping the audio directly from his laptop!
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sknebel
the wonders of HDMI?
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aaronpk
I will mute the hdmi source tomorrow in case that happens during demos
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[colinwalker]
@GWG was that to me about Semantic Linkbacks?
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[pfefferle]
GWG btw. I also released a new Webmention version
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GWG
Yes, re changing the comment type
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GWG
pfefferle, I saw. Hope to give you something to release soon on the other project
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[colinwalker]
Okay. Yeah, good shout.
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jjuran
Is thr stream being recorded locally as its being broadcast?
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GWG
colinwalker: Otherwise you have to change it twice
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[pfefferle]
I prepared a unittest for semlb
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GWG
pfefferle, is it available anywhere?
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[pfefferle]
not yet, I am not sure where to commit, to not kill all your changes...
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aaronpk
jjuran: no I'm just streaming it. I'll probably record the demos tomorrow locally cause it'll be short
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GWG
pfefferle, I am going to be trying to split author and entry, per your idea
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[pfefferle]
GWG but we should focus on the type discovery, because this still does not work properly
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GWG
pfefferle, that is my intention. I found some reasons why.
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GWG
I am going to try and streamline while I am fixing.
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GWG
I think by reviewing it line by line I can make it work better.
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GWG
pfefferle, by the way, someone got a Webmention reply to a local comment thanks to the Fragment support with the current version.
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[pfefferle]
do you have a link?
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GWG
pfefferle, I asked for one
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[pfefferle]
GWG ah, you ended with a "." so I thought you know someone
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GWG
pfefferle, it was mentioned in here
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Loqi
[myfreeweb] also i got a reply to my reply… that's a wordpress comment without its own permalink (webmention source was the original page with a hash fragment pointing to a comment). that was kinda unexpected :D
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GWG
[pfefferle]: I should test that somehow.
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jjuran
aaronpk: IANAL, but my understanding is there are legal ramifications: If you stream without recording, you forfeit copyright.
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jjuran
So if you stream directly to YouTube, and they record it, then Google owns the copyright.
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aaronpk
I seriously doubt that but I can double check
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aaronpk
although maybe if I'm doing this in Germany the laws are different
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cweiske
oh there we are again :)
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aaronpk
tho in Germany the copyright laws are way more in favor of the content creator
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cweiske
aaronpk, could you check indieauth.com crash logs?
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cweiske
There was a problem!
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sknebel_
(heh, did you know that *streaming* movies from "illegal sites" is different than downloading a file in Germany? because streaming only creates a temporary, in memory copy which is less protected)
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cweiske
"Something went horribly wrong!"
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cweiske
sknebel, EU court changed that last week
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cweiske
actually last month already
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sknebel_
cweiske th
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sknebel_
I had seen the decision, but not realized that it also covered the user
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Zegnat
I thought a Swedish court had previously stated it legal(ish) here too. I assume this ruling could overwrite that?
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jjuran
I'm having a hard time finding something I can cite. Lots of informaiton about how livestreamers might be violating someone else's copyright, but nothing about protecting their own.
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aaronpk
jjuran: from https://www.youtube.com/static?gl=GB&template=terms "You retain all of your ownership rights in your Content, but you are required to grant limited licence rights to YouTube and other users of the Service."
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jjuran
That's orthogonal to the legal issue I'm raising. It says you "retain all of your ownership rights", but that doesn't mean that you had any to begin with.
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KevinMarks
Under the Berne convention you do have copyright ownership of everything you make
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Zegnat
Never heard of that issue, jjuran, and IANAL etc, but it seems to me that the creative work that is the stream content is the copyrightable part. IndieWeb/aaronpk/organiser would own rights to that. It doesn't matter who ends up storing the recording
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Zegnat
YouTube does not have a claim to those works just because they store and encode a copy. Aaron licenses rights to them for that purpose. I don't see how that would work differently between normal video and streams
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jjuran
The issue is whether it exists in a fixed medium. Maybe it's different for digital streams vs. television broadcasts.
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jjuran
I seem to recall learning about this around the same time the Aereo lawsuit was in the news.
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dougbeal
What is open graph
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Loqi
The Open Graph protocol (OGP) is an open* standard developed by Facebook for annotating the primary subject of an HTML page via a set of custom <meta> tags in the document head for the purpose of Facebook showing link previews https://indieweb.org/open_graph
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@xcoeur66x
@gruber i disagree & agree. but the death of the web started with Apps & Silos, hence #indieweb, not with AMP https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/05/20/gilbertson-amp
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jjuran
"syntactic vinegar" :-)
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@davidmead
Post navigation ← Previous Post Posted on 2017-05-20 by davidmead Just updated 3 #indieweb WordPress… http://djm.click/blog/b/4bR
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@davidmead
Ugh! Reposting direct on Twitter, as syndicated content didn't pass a link back to the post. http://djm.click/blog/b/4bT #indieweb
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@eli_oat
My first IndieWebCamp Really excited to move this summer so I can hopefully get to an IndieWebCamp one day. https://mmmicro.eli.li/2017/05/20/353/
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GWG
Slow right now
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWeb Summit 2017" by David Shanske on 2017-05-21 https://david.shanske.com/2017/05/20/indieweb-summit-2017/
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GWG
The Indieweb Summit Site says my post doesn't have an RSVP property. But it does.
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GWG
It is just nested inside my in-reply-to
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GWG
This is actually the first RSVP I've ever posted in the wild. I think I need to enhance the template.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Bridging the Gap Between Your Blog and Social Media" by Eoghann Irving on 2016-04-23 https://eoghann.mill-irving.com/bridging-gap-blog-social-media
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