#indieweb 2017-05-24

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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/40852 - It's a start
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[chrisaldrich] between that and work, I'm not getting enough of anything done. Hope to catch up by the weekend though.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, I haven't had time to update just yet. The house had a terrible bout with food poisioning over the weekend.
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[chrisaldrich] I've gotten behind on reading logs, but have kind of kept up with github conversations. Can't wait to update.
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I'll see if I can get to it in the next day or two. Thanks for the reminder.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I always value your opinion
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GWG Oh, and I'm coming to IWS.
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GWG Hoping to have some more fixes done by then
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I saw your note about IWS. I need to finish up some of my arrangements now that we've got a location.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: The hotel I booked seems nice enough. It's on a transit line from the venue
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, I bookmarked the WordPress trac ticket to comment on in the coming day or so. https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/40852 I suspect that cleverdevil and others would also.
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[chrisaldrich] alright, I'm heading out to a WordPress meetup in Pasadena to spread the IndieWord news...
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miklb subscribes to ticket, pops ?
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gRegorLove GWG++ for pushing indieweb tickets in WordPress
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GWG Gregorlove, I really thought Webmentions might be in by now.
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GWG Just no one is interested.
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gRegorLove What's the ticket for that one?
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GWG In practice, not in theory
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gRegorLove And are there any concrete steps for it to progress? Just need to win over some core devs?
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/35435
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GWG Mostly core interest
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GWG My efforts have involved refining the plugin implementation for that reason.
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GWG To keep moving it forward
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[cleverdevil] Just catching up, I'll try and point my WordPress folks to the Micropub ticket.
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dougbeal|mb1 Hurm, running micropub.rocks against wordpress. No picture was displayed for 205 Create an h-entry post with a photo with alt text (JSON). Would that be a micropub bug?
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GWG dougbeal|mb1: The plugin doesn't yet support every scenari
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GWG This is just going to make things harder. https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/391
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Loqi [nylen] #391 Block parsing and serialization/deserialization
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jjuran Is it accurate that all references to #indiewebcamp should be updated to #indieweb (with respect to Freenode)?
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ben_thatmustbeme Was it missed somewhere?
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ben_thatmustbeme You mean on the wiki?
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jjuran ben_thatmustbeme: https://indieweb.org/Diaspora
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah definitely update it
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jjuran okay
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ben_thatmustbeme I'd say unless it's like historical it citing logs it probably makes sense to refer to the correct room
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jjuran done
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KartikPrabhu jjuran++
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Loqi jjuran has 1 karma
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jjuran The message appears to presented in present tense, rather than documenting a historical artifact.
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jjuran yay!
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Loqi giggles
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ben_thatmustbeme jjuran++
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Loqi jjuran has 2 karma
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jjuran :-D
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ben_thatmustbeme jjuran, are you interested in diaspora particularly?
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ben_thatmustbeme Or just happened upon that?
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jjuran I followed a link from monoculture.
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ben_thatmustbeme Ahh
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miklb GWG what in the ever lovin' are they talking about in that thread?
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GWG miklb: That was sort of the point.
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GWG miklb: They are trying to make block management client side JS only.
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miklb time for me to quickly rethink WP if that's the case
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GWG So, if I understand correctly, when you retrieve a post in the new 'Gutenberg' editor, it will parse the post_content and turn it into blocks for editing.
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GWG miklb: How about headless WP with Micropub?
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jjuran https://indieweb.org/site-deaths is a sobering read.
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miklb seems at that point might as well switch platforms
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miklb if can't turn that kind of stuff off at least
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GWG miklb: We'll see. Don't know what is coming. Just that is confuses me.
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cweiske miklb, which error?
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Loqi cweiske: miklb left you a message 6 hours, 16 minutes ago: got an error on init, not sure where to log errors/issues with ttrss micropub plugin
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miklb missed him?
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miklb !tell cweiske https://cdn.miklb.com/ttrss.dev_2017-05-24_00-13-28.png
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb I have to say though, seeing a support reply like this makes me not want to touch that project with a ten foot pool. https://discourse.tt-rss.org/t/plugin-host-is-private/208/2
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miklb support/forum
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GWG miklb: He scared me away some years back
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[tamaracks] He sounds charming.
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miklb Is that the maintainer of the project GWG?
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GWG Yes.
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miklb yeah, I'm deleting that project
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aaronpk What does "blocks for editing" mean?
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aaronpk Are they turning wordpress into mediawiki? lol
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GWG aaronpk: I'm still confused about the whole thing
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aaronpk I haven't read anything but it sounds like the mediawiki API
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miklb I read the companion issue, which didn't seem to get much traction from others, and sounds like wants to use JSON-LD to store chunks of content you can drop into/and reuse
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miklb the argument was that was what a widget is
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miklb thus no need to store the data differently for the new editor. At least that was my take away
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GWG I got into this contemplating the issues of mf2 markup
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GWG snarfed, pfefferle and I are trying to not interfere with each other's effort
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GWG I hoped WordPress might solve the problem for us.
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miklb lol
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aaronpk Wow
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GWG Apparently not
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aaronpk cweiske++ for the polite and persistent replies in that forum thread
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cweiske !tell miklb you can open issues on https://github.com/cweiske/tt-rss-micropub now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi cweiske: miklb left you a message 2 hours, 17 minutes ago: https://cdn.miklb.com/ttrss.dev_2017-05-24_00-13-28.png
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Loqi [cweiske] tt-rss-micropub: Micropub plugin for TT-RSS
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cweiske miklb, which tt-rss version are you using?
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cweiske ooooooh
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cweiske fox followed my advice and made init abstract
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cweiske this is awesome and breaks my plugin :)
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cweiske i'll fix that
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cweiske !tell miklb issue is fixed
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@krautsource Mein IndieWebCamp 2.0 - Krautsource http://www.krautsource.info/mein-indiewebcamp-2-0/amp/ (twitter.com/_/status/867296888348962818)
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@RelaunchBuch Mein IndieWebCamp 2.0 - Krautsource http://www.krautsource.info/mein-indiewebcamp-2-0/amp/ (twitter.com/_/status/867296888348966912)
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cweiske next I need in my feed reader: a button to load the comments
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cweiske or make it automatically load comments, without clicking a button
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Zegnat Would you be parsing comments from how they are displayed on the permalink article, or fetch every comments own permalink, cweiske? Because in case of the latter, a button might be more prudent then a tonne of extra requests every time
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cweiske from the article page itself
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jeremycherfas Join #indieweb-dev
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb.
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jeremycherfas And Mac OSX users, there’s a discount available on cocoatech’s PathFinder, if you’re interested.
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[jemostrom] Highly recommended … been using it for 10 years or so
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jeremycherfas Jemostrom: Me too.
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sknebel hm, the h-event markup on the hwc wiki pages is really stretched to the limits. wouldn't per-city h-events make more sense, especially since starting times don't always are exactly the same? (sorry if I'm triggering a discussion that has happened way to often already...)
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sknebel (I guess thats a case where the mf1-include pattern actually would still be useful
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ben_thatmustbeme jjuran: re: site-deaths being a sobering read.. yeah, very much so, sort of why thats a good one to link to people. It can make a strong statement
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dougbeal|mb1 I still miss google reader
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@iwontsignuphere you want photos? you get photos! thanks @tollwerk @indiewebcamp @nueww @btconf + all you lovely indie people <3 https://julieannenoying.com/2017/05/24/indiewebwhaaaat/ (twitter.com/_/status/867383480128331776)
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aaronpk yeah i seriously doubt anything can parse the crazy h-events on the wiki in a meaningful way
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snarfed ooh i'll take that challenge
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aaronpk hehe
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@MrSimonWood Bravo! #indieweb http://snwd.uk/s/4e https://twitter.com/w3c/status/867153504988782595 (twitter.com/_/status/867387237327155201)
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miklb GWG is there a ticket somewhere discussing what needs to be done to get post kinds to recognize the type of micropub post coming in? i.e. bookmark from micropub at least gets the bookmark kind, not even looking at auto fetching yet…
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Loqi miklb: cweiske left you a message 8 hours, 10 minutes ago: you can open issues on https://github.com/cweiske/tt-rss-micropub now
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Loqi miklb: cweiske left you a message 8 hours, 3 minutes ago: issue is fixed
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miklb I'm still reticent to re-investigate ttrss after seeing that reply from the developer. (the avatar doesn't help)
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skippy yeah, i've heard that guy is a total jerk.
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@ummjackson Anyone in the IndieWeb space know if https://micro.blog/ is going to be an OSS protocol vs. a closed source company? (twitter.com/_/status/867406499294756868)
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skippy http://mavo.io/ looks bizarrely interesting.
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cweiske miklb, you don't know me either and I might have had strange thoughts when hacking my plugin or other software
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cweiske who knows what kind of people contributed to the linux kernel
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@aaronpk @ummjackson I don't think they're planning on making it open source. Plenty of OSS code for Webmentions here tho https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer (twitter.com/_/status/867409435898945536)
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dougbeal|mb1 What is OSS protocol
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OSS protocol" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek there's no such thing
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tantek software != protocol
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voxpelli also: OSS != interoperable
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tantek indeed. and often OSS == monoculture
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voxpelli indeed so
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miklb cweiske true, but I've seen your interactions in IRC, so I have some basis for formulating an opinion. I do realize not all OSS developers are of completely same mindset as myself though.
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plindner Imzy.com added to site-deaths
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@DreamHost Attention, PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out @indiewebcamp. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/867428509001674754)
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@priya_somani_ Attention, PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out indiewebcamp. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/867429662791786496)
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tantek Brace yourselves, the WordPress community is coming
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4oWGEraZ.jpg
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gRegorLove Very weird. AirBNB canceled and refunded my reservation for IWS because it "doesn't appear to be legitimate"
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jeremycherfas Better now than later?
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miklb gRegorLove your reservation didn't appear to be legit, or the host?
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tantek what is tweetstorm
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Loqi tweetstorm is a series of tweets, each replying to the previous, often each numbered so the sequence is clear, as a method of expressing a longer series of related thoughts as a single thread on Twitter https://indieweb.org/tweetstorm
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tantek tweetstorm << 2017-04-17 [https://twitter.com/chriseppstein/status/854162471665324032 @chriseppstein: I was about to tweet storm so I decided to blog and now I'm like 1000 words in and there's so much more I wanted to say and I hate blogging]
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@chriseppstein I was about to tweet storm so I decided to blog and now I'm like 1000 words in and there's so much more I wanted to say and I hate blogging (twitter.com/_/status/854162471665324032)
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-04-17 [https://twitter.com/chriseppstein/status/854162471665324032 @chriseppstein: I was about to tweet storm so I decided to blog and now I'm like 1000 words in and there's so much more I wanted to say and I hate blogging]" to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm
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tantek what is tweet storm
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tweet storm" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek tweet storm is /tweetstorm
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove miklb: The email said reservation, but now that I dig into the site it does appear they've removed the host's profile.
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aaronpk yikes
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skippy "Welcome to my murder house. I mean, my house. When you can sleep comfortably and definitely not get murdered."
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi awesome
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jjuran what is suspiciously specific denial
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "suspiciously specific denial" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jjuran oops, wrong wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme lol, what?
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jjuran ben_thatmustbeme: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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jjuran See also https://xkcd.com/609/
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ben_thatmustbeme xkcd++
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Zegnat xkcd++ because no way that is staying at 1 karma
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bear xkcd++
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jjuran xkcd++
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ben_thatmustbeme what have i started
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Zegnat Something important, ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek !tell GWG how do you post RSVPs from WordPress? Is there a plugin for it? Or do you have to add markup to a post? Can you answer here at the top where it says WordPress TBD? https://indieweb.org/rsvp#How_to_publish
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG tantek: I used it to post my RSVP to the Summit, discovered that I messed up the markup, need to issue an update
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: how do you post RSVPs from WordPress? Is there a plugin for it? Or do you have to add markup to a post? Can you answer here at the top where it says WordPress TBD? https://indieweb.org/rsvp#How_to_publish
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tantek used what to post an RSVP to the Summit?
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GWG The Post Kinds plugin. Sorry
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tantek can you add that info to that /rsvp#How_to_publish ?
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GWG I need to fix the markup. I accidentally nested my RSVP inside my h-cite
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GWG Should I wait till I push a fix
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tantek depends, is the currently published plugin buggy?
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GWG tantek, only on the markup. Display is fine
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GWG miklb, look in the plugins class for what you want
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tantek GWG, that sounds like you are saying it won't actually work to RSVP. in which case, yes, please fix and publish the fixed version first, then update the docs accordingly. (so the docs don't prematurely encourage installing a buggy version)
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GWG It is my own fault​ for not RSVP ing since I added it
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tantek lack of selfdogfooding the new feature?
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GWG Yes, I had hoped I would go somewhere
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GWG Think of it as aspirational dogfooding
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GWG I need a HWC to RSVP to every month
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schmarty GWG: HWC Baltimore is accessible by train and the bolt bus. :}
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GWG I don't think I can leave work at 5 and be there
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GWG It took me 2 hours to get to Manhattan the last attempt at HWC NYC
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tantek GWG you can alway RSVP that you can't make it to one but would like to
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tantek or RSVP yes remotely attending
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Zegnat GWG: there is https://indieweb.org/next-hwc#European_time_.28new.21.29 if you can manage those hours
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tantek both of those are in /rsvp#Brainstorming FWIW
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GWG Maybe bring back the monthly HWC online
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GWG I may talk to Chrisaldrich who attended
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tantek GWG if you have something to demo, you are always welcome to demo remotely to HWC SF and we can put it on talky.io which I think allows for screensharing
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GWG tantek, I would love to just have a stream for HWC SF
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GWG Even if I am not
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tantek other way around, we've defaulted to keeping it informal unless someone has some explicit desire to participate rather than just watch
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Zegnat What time is it for GWG?
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Loqi In GWG's timezone, America/New_York, it is currently 3:41pm on May 24
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GWG Well, I want to improve my presentation again
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GWG I could use eyes on that
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Zegnat GWG, our virtual starts 11:30 your time if I did my counting right. If you want to put that on in the background at work you would be welcome to listen in
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GWG Zegnat, I teach a class. They wouldn't appreciate it, but thank you
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Zegnat Ah, haha, gotcha
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Loqi nice
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GWG If I am ever off
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dougbeal|imac GWG tantek - I used RSVP javascript from Wordpress Indieweb bookmarklets (in Tools) to rsvp for summit https://dougbeal.com/2017/05/09/indieweb-summit-2017-portland-oregon/
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Loqi dougbeal|imac: miklb left you a message 6 days, 23 hours ago: check the logs or I'll be back around this evening and can repost it, I have it working on my site now.
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Loqi [Douglas Beal] IndieWeb Summit 2017 – Portland, Oregon
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tantek dougbeal, where is that tool documented?
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snarfed http://indieweb.org/WordPress#Bookmarklets_for_Desktop
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tantek thanks snarfed. linked from RSVP javascript from Wordpress Indieweb bookmarklets
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tantek I mean linked from /rsvp#How_to_publish
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@barryf Acquiescence: a basic #IndieAuth server https://barryfrost.com/2017/05/acquiescence #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/867477079180414976)
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tantek so many IndieAuth implementations popping up! quite a good show of evidence of incubation, and thus need for standardization :)
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tantek this is very odd - it appears I'm following @auto and I do not ever remember doing so
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tantek it looks like a spammer
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[barryf] Hey tantek. The wiki pages on authorization and token endpoints made it easier than I thought it would be.
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Loqi [barryf]: tantek left you a message on 2017-03-27 at 5:07pm UTC: any HWC London next week 5th April?
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[barryf] The only issue I had was working out I should be storing the scope at the authorization stage because it would be needed when granting an access token.
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tantek lol delayed message
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tantek ok @auto reported as spam
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jjuran spam--
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Loqi spam has -2 karma
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gRegorLove Whoa, I started watching a video on Facebook and when I scrolled down a bit it moved to the left sidebar "sticky" as I scrolled so I could keep watching
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@sillygwailo @TopLeftBrick I don’t recall if fragmentions https://indieweb.org/fragmention get munged by http://t.co. Is that… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/867513815021355009 (twitter.com/_/status/867513815021355009)
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mblaney I just got asked if SimplePie plans to support JSON feed.... in the spirit of indieweb collaboration I've seen here, I think I'll tell them I'm happy to merge it if someone wants to write it.
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