#indieweb 2017-05-25

2017-05-25 UTC
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gRegorLove At least 4 feed readers supporting /jsonfeed now. I'm surprised by the fast pickup of it.
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GWG What is jsonfeed?
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Loqi jsonfeed is a feed file in JSON format https://indieweb.org/jsonfeed
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GWG I think I missed it
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GWG Also thought it was more than that
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KartikPrabhu more how?
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GWG jsonfeed is supplying a feed in json. I think there was more controversy
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miklb don't be fooled about simple not being controversial ?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: the "controversy" was about making a new side-file format
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GWG Why is it h-feed can't be picked up so eagerly? Oh well
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KartikPrabhu because JSON
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gRegorLove rebrands h-feed as JSONhfeed
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GWG Well, I suppose there is no harm in installing the WordPress plugin
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GWG gRegorLove: Which four readers?
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gRegorLove They're on /jsonfeed
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gRegorLove Probably qualifies for #indieweb-dev since it's plumbing
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GWG I'm done about that for now.
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GWG gRegorLove: Looking forward to seeing you again at the Summit
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gRegorLove Likewise!
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gRegorLove Have any goals leading up to it or for the weekend of?
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gRegorLove Also, this is of interest to you I'm sure: https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#Discussion_Channels
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GWG Well, working on some fixes to my plugins. I'd like to do something new as well.
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GWG Because of the RSVP issue I had recently, my first RSVP using my new code, I want to upgrade the presentation code I'm using for different post types.
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GWG And a recent snarfed and pfefferle discussion has led me to want to implement a proposal about declaring support.
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gRegorLove Nice
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gRegorLove I'd like to set up an IndieWeb site profile for ProcessWire so people can install that and have mf2 and webmentions ready to go. Want to get a new version of ProcessWire Webmention out before IWS.
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gRegorLove As it is, ProcessWire leans more tech-y in setup, since it's a framework you can build any type of site on. But it lets you install profiles, which is a collection of fields, templates, and modules, so in theory I could make a profile that gives you more of a Known-like site without editing files, etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme We should ask those feed readers to support hfeed too
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Loqi yea
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KartikPrabhu lol
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mblaney SimplePie supports hfeed, will look forward to the buzz it gets :-)
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miklb just need Gruber to champion it in a few blog posts
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miklb that was in a reply to ben_thatmustbeme about feed readers supporting hfeed
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ben_thatmustbeme just starts filling feature requests
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/maximevaillancourt/json-feed-viewer/issues/4
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Loqi [dissolve] #4 Feature request: support microformats2 h-feed
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@eli_oat I took the indieweb leap! This evening I archived and erased the version of eli.li that was running on yellow! I'm… https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170524212719 (twitter.com/_/status/867558149523464193)
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@eli_oat I'm leaning into this selfdogfooding thing and using an indieweb-compatible CMS that I made on my website. Buh-bye… https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170524220040 (twitter.com/_/status/867561171292999682)
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gRegorLove Is Eli around in chat? ^
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KartikPrabhu I have seen some eli around a few times
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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gRegorLove o/ tantek
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dougbeal|mb1 o/ tantek
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@gRegorLove @eli_oat Feel free to join us in chat if you have any questions. Helpful people are around most any hour: https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/867576291834208256)
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@eli_oat Hello Indieweb! I’ve been interested in the ethos of indieweb ever since I stumbled upon the IndieWebCamp reading… https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170525025317 (twitter.com/_/status/867578240105316352)
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dougbeal|mb1 What is a media endpoint
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "media endpoint" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dougbeal|mb1 What is a media-endpoint
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "media-endpoint" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dougbeal|mb1 What is an endpoint
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "endpoint" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What type of endpoint are you working on?
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gRegorLove Media endpoint is an endpoint that a [[Micropub]] server may support for handling file uploads and return a URL that can be used in a subsequent Micropub request.
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Loqi ok
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dougbeal|mb1 Saw some talk that micro.blog needed a media endpoint to upload photos, so ran micropub.rocks against wordpress and I don't have one
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gRegorLove Oops, already exists.
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gRegorLove What is micropub media endpoint?
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Loqi micropub media endpoint is a Micropub endpoint that exclusively handles file uploads and returns a URL that can be used in a subsequent Micropub request https://indieweb.org/micropub_media_endpoint
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gRegorLove media-endpoint is /micropub_media_endpoint
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove The WordPress micorpub client might support direct uploads, may not need a separate endpoint
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miklb it definitely can accept uploads
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gRegorLove "Media may be uploaded directly to the wordpress-micropub endpoint as multipart/form-data, or sideloaded from URLs."
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[eddie] Man, been slammed with work, and my wife's been sick this past week, so I haven't been able to do much on my site or Indigenous. I did however bring a little joy to my day today by manually importing a Facebook checkin that popped up on the "on this day" app into my website where it displayed itself on my site as well. It's my first backfilled checkin from my time in Hawai'i, which is nice to see. Definitely want to keep backfilling my checkins when
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[eddie] twitter or Facebook posts (even if they are only text checkins)
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[eddie] Image uploaded from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5HLG603V/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=97c5eef301&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg
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gRegorLove Nice, [eddie]! I've done that with some Timehop photos recently.
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gRegorLove Well, technically /repost them, but it's nice to have photos on my site that were taken 10 years ago and are floating around FB now.
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[eddie] gRegorLove, yeah, it's great to reclaim some of this stuff ?
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@calum_ryan A week full of events and meeting with inspirational people #btconf #nueww #indiewebcamp https://calumryan.com/blog/one-week-four-technology-events (twitter.com/_/status/867645740868304896)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "One week, four technology events" by Calum Ryan on 2017-05-25 https://medium.com/@calumryan/one-week-four-technology-events-7a8deaa45474?source=rss-------1
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Zegnat Looks like Homebrew Website Club Fort Collins is happening on the 31st too
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@jkphl .@calum_ryan just posted a nice wrap-up of his #IndieWebWeek experiences https://calumryan.com/blog/one-week-four-technology-events/ Happy I was part of it! :) #indieweb #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/867680127077011457)
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cweiske that was .. unexpected - http://fotostore.cweisthat was .. unexpected - http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2017-05-25%20tt-rss%20forum%20suspension.pngke.de/screenshots/2017-05-25%20tt-rss%20forum%20suspension.png
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cweiske https://discourse.tt-rss.org/t/editorconfig-with-basic-code-style-settings/235/2
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GWG As I said, he isn't a team player​
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[kevinmarks] Fork it and keep working on your own version?
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bignose yeah, this is pretty textbook illustration of why it's not worth the risk working on any software that isn't already licensed freely to everyone.
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bignose if I don't start out with the explicit permission to, if needed, bypass someone behaving like that
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bignose then the software isn't something to rely on.
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GWG Most other open source projects are much more welcoming, even if insular
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bignose yep. demanding the software be licensed freely is, in part, because you can never know *which* ones will have a person in a position to play tyrant.
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schmarty Wow, the language in that post is condescending and abusive.
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[colinwalker] And he still has that avatar - doesn't make a good impression
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GWG I just got a message from a WordPress Core Developer. It looks like they might be advocating the disabling of trackbacks by default
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GWG Mostly, it seems, because they don't want to include the UI for them in their fancy new editor.
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sknebel trackbacks have UI in the editor?
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sknebel (what for?)
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GWG To send them
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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sknebel morning!
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jeremycherfas His sknebel
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sknebel what is MediaGoblin?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/MediaGoblin
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sknebel what is MediaGoblin?
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Loqi MediaGoblin is a media (picture and video) storage project for a web server https://indieweb.org/MediaGoblin
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@aaronpk @ade_oshineye @julien51 there's a list of some on https://indieweb.org/WebSub but mostly it talks about hubs right now (twitter.com/_/status/867725814460071936)
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aaronpk Wow, that was quite a disproportionate response to cweiske's issue
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skippy what self-hosted open source feed reader do people recommend? I use tt-rss because it works well and does just what i need. but fox is a jerk, and that matters to me, too, so i'd like to know what others are using.
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skippy nextcloud is too heavy for me. i need *just* a feed reader.
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sknebel how heavy is nextcloud if you don't use any of it?
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aaronpk I installed selfoss at one point, and even added mf2 parsing to it. It was okay
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skippy nextcloud is "heavy" insofar as there is a lot of PHP in there that needs to be kept up to date on a regular basis, of which i'd only be using a little bit.
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skippy i also have some aversion to supporting nextcloud, after what Frank did to ownCloud. I knew some ownCloud employees, and they got shafted pretty hard.
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sknebel what is feedbin
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Loqi Feedbin is a feed reader that is available as a paid, hosted service or as free software you can run on your own site[1] https://indieweb.org/Feedbin
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sknebel what is NewsBlur?
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Loqi NewsBlur is a traditional feed reader that aimed to replicate and replace Google Reader https://indieweb.org/NewsBlur
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aaronpk Looks like Micropub would be a good candidate to add to feedbin now too
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sknebel (both seem on the larger end of scale, since they're made to support many users if necesary)
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sknebel I titally didn't know that feedbin was open-source
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sknebel *totally
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skippy yeah, i've looked at newsblur in the past. definitely overkill for my personal needs.
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sknebel yeah, I'd like to know from someone running it how its to use. I don't mind overkill, as long as it's overkill in the "bigger than necessary, features I don't care about" sense and not in the "every few days something breaks and you'll spend a few days debugging it" (*cough*OpenStack*cough*)
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sknebel (also, nextcloud news looking for maintainers: https://github.com/nextcloud/news/issues/150 )
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Loqi [BernhardPosselt] #150 Looking for new maintainers
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[manton] aaronpk I'd love to see Micropub in Feedbin too. I'm not aware of any popular feed readers that handle posting, but it would be great. (Feedbin also has "sharing" services that can be extended... So I think you could e.g. forward a post you were reading to Quill for a linkblog. Not the same as full posting, though.)
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sknebel skippy: here is a list with tons of options, but no ranking/freshness/quality information: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted#feed-readers
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Loqi [Kickball] awesome-selfhosted: This is a list of Free Software network services and web applications which can be hosted locally. Selfhosting is the process of locally hosting and managing applications instead of renting from SaaS providers.
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skippy i feel like there's a jwz quote coming soon to this conversation.
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sknebel ?
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skippy http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Z/Zawinskis-Law.html
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sknebel I mean, yes, for a feed reader that totally makes sense :P
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skippy feed reading expands to posting ...
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skippy thanks for the link to the list. will review.
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jeremycherfas manton: Newsblur handles posting to a select few silos.
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[manton] jeremycherfas Ah, didn't realize that, thanks.
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jeremycherfas I’ve asked Samuel a couple of times whether he would switch the ADN one to micro.blog or open source it, but have never had a reply
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aaronpk Hm a feed reader that supports posting sounds like a good description of what I want to make
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[manton] jeremycherfas Finally found the UI for sharing to other services in NewsBlur. Don't see an obvious way to customize it... It's a little buried.
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[manton] aaronpk Cool. I think that's a good next step for these apps. When you're reading blogs, you should also be able to post. (And not just sharing a link, but any new post.)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/deadprogrammer/status/867591955873751040
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@deadprogrammer Ancient web architects built giant sites without js framworks. It's a mystery bigger than the pyramids and Easter Island Moai. (twitter.com/_/status/867591955873751040)
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[kevinmarks] Woodwind is a feed reader that supports posting
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[kevinmarks] I should have another go at running my own instance.
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Loqi +1
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aaronpk gotta find the right way to phrase that so more feed readers adopt the idea
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tantek indeed
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tantek it's kind of the opposite way of thinking about an integrated reader
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tantek that is a personal site with an integrated reader
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tantek rather a reader with integrated posting
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aaronpk ah yeah
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tantek makes sense to encourage that via micropub
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aaronpk i think there's a need for both models too
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tantek I don't think there's a *need* per se, but I think it's useful to encourage experimentation/development of both
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[colinwalker] tantek That's exactly what I was thinking about making for my WordPress site so I can like/reply etc with webmentions all from the same place
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tantek the "reader with integrated posting" may be a good stepping stone for someone who doesn't yet "do everything on their own site"
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strk what is openmicroblogging ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "openmicroblogging " yet. Would you like to create it?
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strk I'm not sure I want to create it, as this page looks outdated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMicroBlogging
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strk anyone has anything to say about OpenMicroBlogging ?
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tantek you are correct that page is out of date
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strk (the wikipedia page points to a 404 "specification" page)
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strk from gitorious (!)
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strk I was looking for the recently-gone-final spec
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strk actually, as I lost my GNUSocial and my Friendica instances, I was looking around for inspirations to setup something more resilient
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strk maybe something I can use to post by editing a file with vi, and pushing via git...
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tantek strk - feel free to update the wikipedia page accordingly. I have it somewhere down on a list to update but haven't gotten to it yet
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strk while still allowing to syndicate and to receive feedbacks
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strk no time, just thought I'd mention here that page was outdated :)
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strk sorry
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: when you get a chance, want to take a look at this? https://github.com/Inklings-io/laravel-indieauth-client
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Loqi [Inklings-io] laravel-indieauth-client: Laravel package to allow others to login via indieauth
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ben_thatmustbeme let me know what you think
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aaronpk sweet. my site is written in laravel too!
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ben_thatmustbeme its still very early
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ben_thatmustbeme but i tried to make it dead simple to use
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ben_thatmustbeme and its all in session, so you don't have to worry about database entries and such
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ben_thatmustbeme just is_user(site_owner) or if there are ACLS, etc
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aaronpk ah cool, i was going to ask
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aaronpk i don't think i want users in my user database for people who sign in this way
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aaronpk but i do want to let people sign in via indieauth in order to see private posts
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ben_thatmustbeme exactly
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ben_thatmustbeme so they way i use it, i will likely be adding checks for like mp-configs and such
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ben_thatmustbeme so if logged in, they can get reply/like/etc links
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aaronpk oh neat
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ben_thatmustbeme by all means PRs welcome though too
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ben_thatmustbeme i basically just wrote this up in the last week or so of train rides
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ben_thatmustbeme really hoping to get this re-opened https://github.com/feedbin/feedbin/issues/132
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Loqi [tantek] #132 support subscribing to home page microformats2 h-feed and h-entrys
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme++ for efforts
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 96 karma in this channel (225 overall)
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sknebel https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 activitypub on HN front page, lets see what happens
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/mgsiegler/status/867779338032304128
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@mgsiegler Yo dawg, I heard you like fast loading articles in your fast loading articles... ? QT [@Techmeme] Facebook's Instant Articles to begin supporting Google AMP and Apple News (@sarahintampa) http://techcrunch.com/2017/05/25/facebooks-instant-articles-platform-to-support-google-amp-apple-news/ http://www.techmeme.com/170525/p10#a170525p10 (twitter.com/_/status/867779338032304128)
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[kevinmarks] Does that count as pesatas?
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sknebel what is pesatas?
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Loqi PESETAS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate Everything To A Silo https://indieweb.org/PESATAS
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm trying to make a case for adding h-feed to some tools, but most seem to also publish atom, which may actually be sort of defeating the arguement
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gRegorLove Hola, indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme hey gRegorLove
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dansup https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315
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dansup ActivityPub is on HN :D
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ben_thatmustbeme i've noticed, its flooding the w3c social irc
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KartikPrabhu what is activity pub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "activity pub" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu what is activitypub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "activitypub" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu what is ActivityPub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ActivityPub" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu oh well
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snarfed odd. got a burst of 502s from the twitter API this morning, and each one had a few KB of random binary data in the response body
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: https://indieweb.org/Salmentions#ActivityPub is all I found on the wiki
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snarfed puts it down, backs away, refrains from trying to decode it
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gRegorLove Heh, Github link there is 404
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aaronpk snarfed: that sounds bad. hope it's not another session leak thing like cloudflare
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snarfed right
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[kevinmarks] Twitter has been flaky today
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gRegorLove ActivityPub is a decentralized social networking protocol ([[W3C]] Candidate Recommendation) based on [[ActivityStreams]] https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
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Loqi [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
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gRegorLove What is ActivityPub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ActivityPub" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] Interesting, I didn't know that Newsblur was open source.
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gRegorLove ActivityPub is a decentralized social networking protocol ([[W3C]] Candidate Recommendation) based on [[ActivityStreams]] https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
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[cleverdevil] Anyone here use it?
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gRegorLove What is newsblur?
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Loqi NewsBlur is a traditional feed reader that aimed to replicate and replace Google Reader, also available for self-hosting: https://indieweb.org/NewsBlur
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snarfed [cleverdevil]: yeah i use newsblur
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snarfed service, not self hosted
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[cleverdevil] Cool.
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[cleverdevil] I found out that Nextcloud News is looking for a new maintainer, which isn't promising for the future of the project ?
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[cleverdevil] So, I may be in the market for an alternative soon.
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[cleverdevil] But, I really want something with integrated Micropub interactions.
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ben_thatmustbeme what is nextcloud news?
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Loqi Nextcloud is an open source software project for self-hosted personal web services including a file manager (an indie version of Dropbox), music, calendar (CalDAV), contacts (CardDAV), and more https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud_News
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dougbeal|mb1 I use NewsBlur as well
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ben_thatmustbeme please feel free to add your support for https://github.com/samuelclay/NewsBlur/issues/1019 dougbeal|mb1 snarfed
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Loqi [dissolve] #1019 Request: Add h-feed support
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@grantpotter Making plans to migrate http://know.networkeffects.ca posts to networkeffects.ca and start using #indieweb plugin https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/867826772280311808)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Making plans to migrate know.networkeffects.ca posts to networkeffects.ca and start using #indieweb plugin https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/" by Grant Potter on 2017-05-25 http://known.networkeffects.ca/2017/making-plans-to-migrate-knownetworkeffectsca-posts-to-networkeffectsca-and-start
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tantek strk, no problem. I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Update and will try adding that at least.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb — WordPress Plugins" by Grant Potter on 2017-05-25 https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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ben_thatmustbeme typo in the URL there it seems
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[cleverdevil] https://wptavern.com/json-feed-creators-aim-to-revitalize-interest-in-the-open-web-with-rss-alternative
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aaronpk JSONFeed << https://wptavern.com/json-feed-creators-aim-to-revitalize-interest-in-the-open-web-with-rss-alternative
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Loqi ok, I added "https://wptavern.com/json-feed-creators-aim-to-revitalize-interest-in-the-open-web-with-rss-alternative" to the "See Also" section of /jsonfeed
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@brianjesse RT @cleverdevil JSON Feed Creators Aim to Revitalize Interest in the Open Web https://wptavern.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/867832518279438336)
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[colinwalker] That's a pretty fair write-up, including the detractions rather than just singing its praises.
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[cleverdevil] Agreed.
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[cleverdevil] Its a nice overview.
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tantek what is independent social media?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "independent social media" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: ^^^ :)
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tantek wonders when we came up with that term, feels like within the past few days, and can't remember in what channel / logged or not.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-03-04#t1457081607652000
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Loqi [voxpelli] Want to know how an alternate independent social media might be on the rise + how you can try it? Come to @_FooCafe_ http://www.foocafe.org/event/beyond-twitter-an-indieweb-future-for-social-media
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KartikPrabhu 2016-03-04 !
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: there is no search "button" in the sidebar for chat logs, only enter works
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tantek KartikPrabhu++ awesome! I don't remember seeing that use before but it's definitely in the same meaning!
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 141 karma in this channel (145 overall)
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KartikPrabhu that is earliest exact instance from the chat logs search
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ben_thatmustbeme is bad at definitions
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: turns out converting the "<i class="material-icons">search</i>" to a "<button class="material-icons">search</button>" and similar change in the CSS makes the search icon into an actionable button :)
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aaronpk ah cool. PRs welcome :)
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org
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Loqi [indieweb] chat.indieweb.org
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I have no idea how to test before PR-ing though except in the browser
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aaronpk it's a small change, that's fine
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tantek alright, I added one of those fancy warning tags to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMicroBlogging make sense? (cc strk)
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tantek that's one way to at least call out the really old / inaccurate Wikipedia articles on anything social / micro blogging etc.
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: should I send PR or am I allowed to commit straight up?
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aaronpk i prefer PRs because it's easier to track changes
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KartikPrabhu ok will do a fork etc...
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: any guidelines for hover styles on buttons? like colour etc... ?
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aaronpk the css framework should have good defaults
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KartikPrabhu it doesn't seem to directly (unless I add some class). the default is the grey background usual button. which looks ugly
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aaronpk hmm i am not sure then
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KartikPrabhu ok looking at materialize now
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/pull/35 hopefully I navigated PRs correctly :P
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Loqi [kartikprabhu] #35 make search icon into a actionable button
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aaronpk yay thanks
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KartikPrabhu I reused some color from the page which fits in for the button hover/focus
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gRegorLove A fun look back: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/a-search-for-the-zombie-websites-of-1995/523848/
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KartikPrabhu really dislikes articles with different <title> and actual title in the contents
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tantek KartikPrabhu just goes to show that less visible markup (<title> tag) leads to divergence from what is actually visible.
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KartikPrabhu I think people do it deliberately! for some SEO-type "reason"
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tantek of course, just like meta keyword stuffing before Google
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KartikPrabhu right
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tantek the point is that invisible / less visible markup is an *enabler* of that kind of behavior, regardless of motivations
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KartikPrabhu true
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tantek and thus undesirable
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-25 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/22/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow/#comment-31841
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-05-25 http://techlifeweb.com/14892-2/#comment-120995
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dougbeal|imac indiechat search is a separate app? It links to a single line, rather than that day scrolled to that line
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aaronpk yeah the search is cweiske's search engine, it's indexing the individual lines like they are individual web pages
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dougbeal|imac What is chat.indieweb.org
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "chat.indieweb.org" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dougbeal|imac So it would be hard to add a jump to link?
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aaronpk the # on each line jumps to the day page
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dougbeal|imac On https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=nginx ? There is a link to the author and to the line (https://chat.indieweb.org/known/2017-05-10/1494388007932000)
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aaronpk oh on that end. not sure.
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aaronpk it's not a chat-specific search engine, so i'm not sure how much cweiske wants to customize it for that use case
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sknebel the links to the day page also have problems with timezones, if I remember right?
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dougbeal|imac https://github.com/cweiske/phinde/issues/32
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Loqi [dougbeal] #32 Custom rendering of results for indiechat to include link to day page
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[eddie] cleverdevil: would it be important for your reader to be self-hosted or would a reader service with Micropub match your expectations?
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[cleverdevil] Since the data output from the reader lives on my site, I think I'd be fine with a service, but I have also been burned by SaaS readers before ?