#indieweb 2017-06-01

2017-06-01 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "HWC Baltimore 2017-05-31 Wrap-Up" https://martymcgui.re/2017/05/31/201435/
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jjuran Thanks to schmarty++ for including me in HWC Baltimore!
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jjuran Oh, that doesn't work.
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jjuran schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 11 karma in this channel (15 overall)
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tantek hello from HWC SF!
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@benwerd Heading to Homebrew Website Club at @Mozilla SF to meet up and chat independent web. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/870081180556644352)
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tantek :)
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tantek http://tantek.com/2017/151/t2/homebrew-website-club-quiet-writing
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Homebrew Website Club Quiet Writing Hour @MozSF 1st fl. Come on by! Awaiting @benwerd & more: https://www.facebook.com/events/693617677491856
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@schmarty @mweinberg2D You're not alone! https://indieweb.org/HWC We'd love to have you join sometime! (twitter.com/_/status/870083811031347200)
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gRegorLove hello from HWC Bellingham! Just me today. sadtrombone.com
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: that isn't your URL ;)
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gRegorLove doubly sad trombone! :)
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jjuran gRegorLove: sadtrombone.org is available :-)
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gRegorLove Haha, I'm good
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Loqi rofl
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eli_oat Can anyone guess when I started to work on my micropub endpoint? https://eli.li/images/8683.PNG
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tantek 3 of us at HWC SF so far
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A propos de process de diffusion et dissémination de contenu je te propose de jeter un oeil sur la…" by Ricardo Mendes on 2016-06-18 https://medium.com/@rMdes/a-propos-de-process-de-diffusion-et-diss%C3%A9mination-de-contenu-je-te-propose-de-jeter-un-oeil-sur-la-be10bb859058?source=rss-ca30dd449438------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Medium didn’t started as a commons." by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-04-01 https://medium.com/@rMdes/medium-didnt-started-as-a-commons-f019f26ff3ca?source=rss-ca30dd449438------2
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tantek update for tonight HWC
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tantek * Micropub is a W3C Recommendation! replaces any need for AtomPub, XML-RPC / Metaweblog API etc.
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tantek * JF2 has been iterated to provide a feed profile very similar to JSON Feed
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Micropub is a lightweight, universal API for publishing to the web (created by #indieweb). Now a W3C recommendation! https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/30/1/w3c-micropub" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-05-30 https://werd.io/2017/micropub-is-a-lightweight-universal-api-for-publishing-to-the
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tantek and we got Dan Mills setup with rel=me on his personal site and he created his profile page on the wiki!
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tantek Dan Mills is working on an "indie kitchen" kind of thing at tinkerkitchen.org
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tantek would complement well with Jake Hartnell's indie gardening IoT thing
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tantek commongarden.org
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Doing my part to fix the internet" by Kimberly Hirsh on 2017-03-19 https://medium.com/@kimberlyhirsh/doing-my-part-to-fix-the-internet-169daf5ca5a?source=rss-7bf16ae47958------2
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tantek What new thing I have done on my site since two weeks ago:
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tantek I implemented an RSVP plain text variant, "hosting " as another way to RSVP yes: http://tantek.com/2017/145/t1/homebrew-website-club-mozsf
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] hosting Homebrew Website Club 17:30 @MozSF 2017-05-31! RSVP: http://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-may-31-2017 FB event: https://www.facebook.com/events/693617677491856
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tantek dan is asking if Bridgy can send you notifications from a FB POSSE copy of an event
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tantek and it does, but only to the indie event that links to the FB POSSE copy as a u-syndication
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tantek FB notifies much more than RSVPs and comments though
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tantek and sends them to everyone who is RSVPd
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tantek e.g. FB will send notifications when an event is occuring
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tantek and that's a wrap for HWC SF!
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dougbeal|mb1 What is Known
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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gRegorLove !tell schmarty For your likes, can I suggest changing p-like-of h-cite to u-like-of h-cite? That way the 'value' of the like-of is the URL.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I think I may have finally gotten my Semantic Linkbacks code to where it is worthy of inclusion.
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gRegorLove yay!
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Loqi :D
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GWG gRegorLove: Back to pfefferle for review. I made some false steps
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[colinwalker] Morning all.
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[colinwalker] GWG that's good news
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GWG [colinwalker]: I've been working on this for a month now, on and off.
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[colinwalker] Yeah, I know. Will be worth it though.
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GWG [colinwalker]: What would you think of locations displayed for comments if in the original source?
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[colinwalker] I probably wouldn't use it personally but I know some would like it so giving the option might be nice
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GWG [colinwalker]: Also syndication links on comments to syndicated versions and a few other properties I extracted.
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GWG But the biggest thing is it should fix the other issues.
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[colinwalker] The syndication is a nice idea :)
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GWG [colinwalker]: I want to store properties in comment meta so I can do things with them in future.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG Good morning, Zegnat
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[colinwalker] ?
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Zegnat Anyone inspired by yesterday’s HWC to do something today?
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GWG Zegnat: I did many things.
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Zegnat Many things sounds productive :)
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bignose I'm stuck on choosing a hosting provider. I don't relish the thought of handing over credit card information to folks just to host my site.
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bignose how do the options shake out if I limit myself to hosting for which I can pay Bitcoin?
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bignose (maybe I should take this to #indiechat ?)
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Zegnat bignose, there is https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/mailing ;)
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[colinwalker] @zegnat I'm always inspired ;) been doing more to my WordPress plugins
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Zegnat sebsel: I love your markup for reacji :o Hadn’t noticed it before
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sebsel thanks Zegnat :)
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sebsel unfortunately, calumryan's site doesn't show it as a reacji at the moment
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Loqi [superfeedr] "No. 2 is my favourite" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-06-01 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/no-2-is-my-favourite
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jeremycherfas Morning Indieweb
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Loqi jeremycherfas: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 10 hours, 48 minutes ago: I haven't used Quill in a while for that, but I could give it a try to see what I get. I believe it's worked it in the past.
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jeremycherfas !Tell chrisaldrich No matter; I think we’re getting a little closer to sorting things out. Seems like the problem might be my server settings.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Morning jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas Morning zegnat
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jeremycherfas Zewgnat: Re https://gist.github.com/adactio/8168e6b78da7b16a4644 I made some notes, but as I said, I’m not really going to able to do anything that might involve breaking things until the last week of June.
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jeremycherfas What?
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jeremycherfas I meant to post this https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-06-01/1496300724851000
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Loqi [Zegnat] Anyone inspired by yesterday’s HWC to do something today?
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jeremycherfas Although that mistake also indicates one of the things I was making notes about :)
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jeremycherfas Cweiske: At last night’s virtual HWC zegnat did a clean install of Known and the Twitter plugin and Quill found the syndication target. So I think the problem must lie at my end.
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jeremycherfas It didn’t syndicate, but that’s another issue.
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Zegnat I expect that to be some idiosyncrasy on my end though, if all Known instances had broken syndication that must have gotten noticed earlier
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jeremycherfas Possibly.
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[colinwalker] o/ hey jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas @colinwalker Mornin’
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pfefferle good morning
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eli_oat[m] Morning!
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sknebel morning!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New Feed Reader – Evergreen" by Michael Bishop on 2017-06-01 https://miklb.com/new-feed-reader-evergreen/
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@benborges_ Question to #indieweb : I had to switch my domain name for some reason, previously 1-m.cc and now … https://www.benborges.xyz/2017/question-to-indieweb-i-had-to-switch-my-domain-name (twitter.com/_/status/870282411011039232)
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Zegnat ^^^ not actually an IndieWeb question, it is a Known question
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schmarty good morning indieweb
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Loqi schmarty: gRegorLove left you a message 9 hours, 17 minutes ago: For your likes, can I suggest changing p-like-of h-cite to u-like-of h-cite? That way the 'value' of the like-of is the URL.
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sknebel good morning schmarty!
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schmarty gRegorLove_: thanks for the catch! i have changed all my p-* h-cite to u-* h-cite. value now makes a lot more sense.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "This. I believe tokens will contribute to the renaissance of the IndieWeb and provide an…" by Pius on 2017-06-01 https://medium.com/@_pius/this-i-believe-tokens-will-contribute-to-the-renaissance-of-the-indieweb-and-provide-an-817802457f27?source=rss-------1
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@HackerEvents IndieWebCamp on Saturday 04 November 10:00 @ Contentful (Germany) https://indiewebcamp.com/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/870320101144350720)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indieweb
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sknebel Good morning ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme what are you working on today sknebel
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sknebel I think I'll try to fix microformat-shiv so I can finish at least the functional side of my authorship-explainer-thing
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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aaronpk whoa https://blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious/
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aaronpk my first thought was "wait it's not april 1"
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[cleverdevil] "Do not attempt to compete with Pinboard."
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[cleverdevil] lols
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sknebel Hasn't he tried to do that for years?
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miklb yes, but he hasn't offered a lot of $. Someone finally go tired of huge hosting bills and sold is my guess.
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aaronpk i'm glad i moved my bookmarks off of delicious the second or third time they were acquired lol
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aaronpk interesting, i just realized that my use of "audience" doesn't match the silo examples here https://indieweb.org/audience
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aaronpk on my site, audience does not correspond to access control
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aaronpk it's just an indicator of who the post is addressed to, but the post is still public
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gRegorLove schmarty: is Baltimore HWC still monthly?
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schmarty gRegorLove: we've been trying to go biweekly, but venue conflicts sometimes result in skipping one or moving one. so "at least monthly".
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[eddie] aaronpk: I wonder if audience has multiple purposes based on if a post visibility is public or private
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aaronpk yeah i think that's how i want to treat it
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aaronpk i still like the audience indicator even for public posts
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aaronpk thinking i might add "visibility=audience" to this list when I implement it https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Visibility
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[eddie] Interesting. The way i’ve approached it currently (although I haven’t added any external audiences yet) is visibility is either public or private. If it’s private only audience has access. Although, by default I’ve added myself to the audience of private posts
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[eddie] Although I guess that would be funky when you’re displaying it like youare
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[eddie] That’s more internal app logic, although I try to make most of the logic roughly based on mf2 ideas and concepts
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aaronpk yeah i'm not sure i have a specific use for "private" visibility (me only) while also specifying an audience, but maybe that's like a draft post?
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aaronpk yeah this is definitely implementation-specific stuff initially, tho eventually you want clients to support it which means it becomes a micropub issue
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schmarty pinboard++ what a time to be alive
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Loqi pinboard has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: the dual intepretation of audience could work wit micropub too right?
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aaronpk yeah definitely
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aaronpk yeah now that i think about it visibility=private is probably fine, and if there's an audience specified then they also will have access to view it
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[eddie] Yeah, I haven’t done much with it yet, but that’s how I set up Abode to work, with the idea that I currently have private posts but eventually I wanted those posts to have other audiences
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yeah, that should work fine I think
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snarfed1 interesting: https://huffduffer.com/ has thorough mf2, and its huffduff (podcast) ids are monotonically increasing, and currently at ~411k, which means it might be one of the largest mf2 sites currently
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aaronpk hah nice find
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snarfed1 others include https://www.museum-digital.de/ , which has a pretty extensive catalog of almost 100k artifacts from ~500 museums (all with mf2)
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snarfed1 ...and https://loadaverage.org/ , a decent sized gnu social site with mf2 on all posts
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Zegnat That pinboard-delicious news almost throw me out of my chair
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Zegnat Does anyone know why http://scripting.com/2017/05/31.html#a110526 applies to Facebook, but apparently not to Twitter?
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Zegnat Or is it just a case of “but I use twitter and I like it”?
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aaronpk Twitter is more straightforward about visibility of posts
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Zegnat If a post is public on Facebook you can link to it, otherwise you cannot. Same goes for Twitter, surely?
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sknebel on the first reason, facebook is a lot worse (showing a modal asking you to sign up, you can't reliably follow links, ...). other two probably apply just as well
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Zegnat I do agree that the sign-up modal on Facebook is one of the most debilitating things I have ever seen, but if you just want to link to a public post that is still possible.
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sknebel can you easily tell if a post is public? (as a fallback you of course could try a private window, but that's cumbersome)
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snarfed1 yes, FB posts have audience indicators (with hover text)
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sknebel ok, that seems good enough
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snarfed1 mostly yes. it's not always easily to tell if a specific person can see a post though. e.g. if its audience is friends of friends, or custom
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Zegnat If it doesn’t show a globe, it isn’t world-public, meaning it is not safe to link to.
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Zegnat Anything that is not world-public excludes atleast someone, so you can see it as a binary state
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Zegnat “I just spoke to Pinboard founder Maciej Cegłowski. In a statement, he said “I am the greatest.” Ceglowski also confirmed the purchase price for del.icio.us, which was $35,000.” - https://thenextweb.com/apps/2017/06/01/its-the-end-of-an-era-as-pinboard-buys-and-shutters-del-icio-us/#.tnw_HRHb7LGE
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aaronpk lol
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ben_thatmustbeme http://dissolve.github.io/jf2/#jsonfeed_to_jf2feed wrote up how to convert jsonfeed to jf2 feed
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gRegorLove ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 97 karma in this channel (228 overall)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss-2ae92efb1322------2
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gRegorLove There should be an extension to automatically change "X is dead" into "X is dead, long live X!"
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Zegnat del.icio.us is dead, long live del.icio.us!
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[colinwalker] Thought I'd experiment and created a "today" page that just shows today's posts in chronological order. Liked it so set it as the default page. Thoughts?
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[eddie] is it just me or should huffduffer be using h-cite instead of h-entries?
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[eddie] colinwalker: I thought about making a “today” page not as my “default” (home) but as the first page of my “all” firehose page, but I ended up just defaulting to 10 entries instead of making it focused on today
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[eddie] I think it’s an interesting approach
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[colinwalker] I like the idea so will see how it pans out.
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Zegnat [eddie], doesn’t the person who “huffduffs” a sound file write a new description for it? I think that makes the post itself an entry authored by a different person, not just a repost (which would make sense as a h-cite).
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[eddie] zegnat: ohhh, okay. that makes sense
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Zegnat I would see it more like a feed of external links, maybe adding the class u-bookmark-of besides the u-audio would make sense
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[eddie] Yeah, that makes sense and hits the general direction I was thinking of
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snarfed1 huffduffer extracts default descriptions from the source web pages, and i think people only change them very rarely
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Zegnat Ah, hmm, so it may be a repost or a link post with original description then? That makes things a little more tricky imho
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb
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[colinwalker] Hi tantek
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aaronpk [colinwalker]: I have day pages for every day that show posts in chronological order rather than my normal reverse chronological
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[colinwalker] aaronpk Cool. I just liked the sound of today sort of as an offset to now
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KartikPrabhu my today page would be empty on most days :P
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[colinwalker] ? that's why I have it show previous posts in a normal reverse-chron style if there's nothing yet for the day.
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KartikPrabhu so your today page can switch between chronological and chronillogical display depending on the context?
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KartikPrabhu that seems confusing
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miklb sounds like my timeline is a hybrid of that approach with the posts grouped by date.
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[kevinmarks] Previously http://scripting.com/2016/04/23/1209.html
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[colinwalker] @KartikPrabhu - yeah, that's right. It'll say "no posts yet today" then list older posts. It's still a work in progress and I'll be seeing what works best - I only decided to do it earlier ;)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Micro.blog, JSON Feed, and Evergreen Give Me Hope for the Open Web" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-01 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/microblog-json-feed-and-evergreen-give-me-hope-for-the
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Micro.blog, JSON Feed, and Evergreen Give Me Hope for the Open Web" https://cleverdevil.io/2017/microblog-json-feed-and-evergreen-give-me-hope-for-the
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I have read it. Not very interesting. But I hope for a connection between Medium and the IndieWeb." by Andreas Petersell on 2015-09-18 https://medium.com/@Petersell/i-have-read-it-not-very-interesting-but-i-hope-for-a-connection-between-medium-and-the-indieweb-f515ae35cb3c?source=rss-cfe3cff62a8f------2
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KartikPrabhu hmm medium does not show any response context what-so-ever! ^
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gRegorLove response context?
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gRegorLove Oh, it's a comment.
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gRegorLove That's weird
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah, i couldn't find it in the markup either
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gRegorLove What is Evergreen?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Evergreen" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Evergreen is an in-development feed reader for MacOS https://ranchero.com/evergreen/
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove If anyone uses OneLogin, they had a data breach, including the ability to decrypt encrypted data: https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/06/onelogin-breached/?utm_source=list&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=060117
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gRegorLove "If you use OneLogin, you should have received an email from them with a link to an article that contains the above guidance with additional detail. The article unfortunately requires you to sign in using OneLogin to access it"
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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gRegorLove Screenshots linked in the post though
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john360 what server has the most irc population?
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john360 it use to be dal net.
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john360 i've not been on awhile and bored with social media walls...
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gRegorLove o/ Welcome john360
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gRegorLove Do you have a personal website?
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