#indieweb 2017-06-02

2017-06-02 UTC
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@pfrazee @eli_oat I think your indieweb->twitter converter is dropping it's @ symbols! Cool site though, lmk if I can help (twitter.com/_/status/870440375957176321)
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john360 hi ore gon
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john360 hi oregon.
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john360 gregor!
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john360 no oi do not have a website and i want one. i'm passionate about the study and want to have one
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john360 but i have serious security issues with everyone wanting to latch into my
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john360 smarphone and laptop with their smarphones using some kind of surveillance apps
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john360 it's popular and it has been disturbing trend as a social norm.
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john360 smothered in how would be a way to say cyberstalkers
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john360 it's horrid in slow rural america where people incestuous into being into each others
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john360 business and now with facebook and smartphones everyone wants to be a smith agent. it's bizarre.
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john360 i moved from gulf shores, al to auburn al to get away from it because it was too weird, suffocating, and i have
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john360 student loans i'm trying to pay off in digital media related to building websites
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john360 but they never taught us "cybersecurity" as in firewall routers and vpns and such for survival if
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john360 you are not working for an employer who has an IT dept.
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john360 it's bad here sureveillance society (facebook population) in the US... slow rural..
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john360 anyway, trying to get over to the urban areas ... like Atlanta Ga where there is that possibility of finding
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john360 employment related to web design, content management, or whar have you.. about graphics! trained in old
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john360 school VR on SGI Indy workstations 1990s..
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john360 GregorLOve, I'll have a freakin' website soon! one day
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john360 lol
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gRegorLove john360: This page on our wiki might help you: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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eli_oat john360: have you checked out something like https://neocities.org ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Jonathan LaCour's Micro.blog, JSON Feed, and Evergreen Give Me Hope for the Open Web" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-06-02 http://michael.runcieman.com/2017/liked-jonathan-lacours-microblog-json-feed-and-evergreen-give-me
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@treitnauer #indieweb https://twitter.com/daringfireball/status/870477582088585217 (twitter.com/_/status/870480100117979136)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-02.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek is watching the 2nd half of the IWC Düsseldorf checkins session
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cweiske I've added a subscriber count image to my WebSub hub: http://phubb.cweiske.de/counter.php?topic=http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/
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petermolnar ok, so yesterday evening I decided to put comments and reacji back on my site
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petermolnar there's definitely going to be a delay once I receive something, due to the statically generated bits
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Zegnat Will it auto-show comments or are you approval queueing?
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petermolnar I'm not approving
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petermolnar not at this moment
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petermolnar it only accepts webmentions, and I get a notification about them
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petermolnar is waiting for webmention spam to finally record the first one in the wiki
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cweiske I do get spam, but I don't know if it's pingback or webmention
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petermolnar it's pingback
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petermolnar it's always pingback
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cweiske but it does not make a difference. spam is spam
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petermolnar I'm now wondering if it would make sense to pass the incoming webmentions through spamassassin
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cweiske the content extracted from the source URL?
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petermolnar yes
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petermolnar well, the whole <body> could go
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petermolnar treated as a HTML mail
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Zegnat I wonder if any of the existing comment spam filtering solutions in place (e.g. through WP plugins) are self-hostable, or if spamassassin might just be the best option if you want to train a filter against comment spam
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petermolnar there's bogofilter
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petermolnar which is probably the simplest solution
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petermolnar spamassassin is a bit... bitchy sometimes
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Facebook is an attack on the open web" by tambourine_man@news.ycombinator.com (tambourine_man) on 2017-06-02 https://daringfireball.net/2017/06/fuck_facebook
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cweiske dkim does not help against webmention spam because the spammers own their domains anyway. they do not want to send spam in other's people name but get links to their site
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petermolnar we had a discussion with aaronpk in Brigthon last year about what webmentions can learn from email
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petermolnar http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/webmention
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petermolnar back on the daringfireball link, I don't get it, why now, why this late; a lot of people had been writing articles on facebook is evil years ago
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cweiske why does jsonfeed get traction now even though different people tried it years before?
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petermolnar I'm guessing because someone with lots of worshippers announced it
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cweiske same for df
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Zegnat Once the people who are complaining about FB also start moving away from Twitter is when I will take their criticisms of silos seriously
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cweiske I also did not understand why twitter is better than facebook in DF's post
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cweiske (apart from twitter allowing public indexing)
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petermolnar Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 42 karma in this channel (56 overall)
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Zegnat I actually thought Facebook allowed public indexing too, as you have an option in your privacy settings to allow or disallow search engines to index you.
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Zegnat But maybe that option is only about the profile page and not individual posts.
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pfefferle good morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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Zegnat Alright, 42 karma, nobody ++ me anymore!
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Zegnat Good morning pfefferle
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pfefferle Zegnat :)
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat++ for the karma notice ;)
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Loqi zegnat has 43 karma in this channel (57 overall)
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petermolnar a long time ago I saved a fb post url as bookmark; ended up sending it to it's owner a few years later, asking them 'still accurate?' - they guy came back to me immediately with "I've been looking for this post for months!!!, thank you!" - so it's not just search engines, nobody can find posts on FB, not even their authors.
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu whyyy~
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petermolnar Zegnat--
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petermolnar eh, doesn't work :D
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petermolnar wanted to help
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat-- for no reasone
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Zegnat I think negative karma is disabled on people
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cweiske --Zegnat
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cweiske loqi--
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Loqi loqi has 57 karma in this channel (425 overall)
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Zegnat IIRC
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KartikPrabhu lol!
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petermolnar now you're just bullying whoever is Loqi today :(
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Zegnat petermolnar, I just found a post from 2013 that I needed yesterday. While Facebook doesn’t allow search through posts it does have per month archives
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: TBH I was playing at giving you a negative immediately!
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Zegnat Does Twitter offer good searching through your own old tweets?
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Zegnat Also, the fact the FB post permalink you bookmarked kept working shows that linking to FB posts is actually viable throughout the years ;)
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petermolnar Zegnat I soft-quited facebook a long while ago: I'm still there, but I don't post anything and barely ever react; from my perspective, it's ephemeral. Before this I went through _everyting_ I ever posted by hand, because the facebook export is completely useless for old posts posted with 3rd party apps. I did find a few forgotten entries that way
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petermolnar however, the most interesing part as that I finished a year, walked away for a while, went back updated the page, and got more from that year - which wasn't visible earlier
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petermolnar lag, cache, whatever, but that was definitely strange and surprising
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petermolnar (barely ever REACT - unintentional dad joke noticed)
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petermolnar Zegnat re:facebook https://stalkscan.com/
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Zegnat I have played with that one ;)
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Zegnat I think you linked it before?
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petermolnar that is not impossible
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[kevinmarks] The twitter export gives you a search for your own posts, it's pretty good.
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Zegnat The export maybe, but we are talking about the website. Only fair to compare the actual Twitter website to the actual Facebook website in this case
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petermolnar the twitter export is simple; however, due to the various changes during it's history (url shortening, etc) it's not as usable as it once was
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petermolnar at least it's plain text csv
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petermolnar whereas facebook gives you your chat history in 1(!) single HTML which is ridiculous to parse.
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sebsel yeah, not even a separate file per person, just one for all your chats.
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petermolnar https://petermolnar.net/the-horror-of-chat-logs/#facebook
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petermolnar sebsel https://github.com/hey-johnnypark/convert-facebook-messages
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Loqi [hey-johnnypark] convert-facebook-messages: Converts messages exported from Facebook as HTML into convenient JSON
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sebsel oh, that's nice
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@jkphl @jeena Yay! Looking forward to meeting you again in Berlin in November! \o/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/870615494990147584)
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@jeena @jkphl I think the link on https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin/Guest_List to the RSVP page is wrong, it goes... more at https://jeena.net/notes/862 (twitter.com/_/status/870616618723921921)
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petermolnar do I need to wrap the comments section into a h-feed? it is ok if you have a h-entry and a h-feed on the same level as siblings?
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petermolnar or should the feed be part of the h-entry?
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Zegnat what are comments?
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Loqi Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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Zegnat There is a how-to markup there, petermolnar ^^^
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Zegnat Part of the h-entry
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Jeena Is it possible to RSVP to this page in the wiki? https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin/Guest_List
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petermolnar cheers
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Zegnat Jeena, you can RSVP to anything, and indieweb.org accepts webmentions, but the Wiki doesn’t get magically updated
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cweiske .. which is a shame
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petermolnar considering marking up reacji entries as h-? just to make everything painful
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petermolnar as in h-[unicode emoji]
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KartikPrabhu please don't make up h-*
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Zegnat That’s not a valid microformat, so that will simply be ignored by parsers ;)
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petermolnar sorry, not h
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petermolnar u-
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Jeena hm yeah, but if nothing happens on the wiki then there is no point for me to RSVP to it because people will not see that I will attend anyway.
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KartikPrabhu also will be ignored
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petermolnar true
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petermolnar but I wonder how many parsers would die immediately
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Zegnat Most look for allowed classes and ignore all other classes, so it should not give any problems.
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Jeena that is good actually because then they have a chanse to fix their parser
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Zegnat Allowed classes “consists only of lowercase a-z and '-' characters.”
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petermolnar ah :(
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cweiske remembers PHP6
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petermolnar lol :D
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Zegnat I wrote some PHP 5.6 that used zero-width white-space characters for variable names. My teacher did not appreciate me turning that in as a school assignment. But everything worked.
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cweiske ;()コンポーネント new’] = Cעְיול=חַ :ָנָה’]プロバイダ$
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cweiske class コンポーネント {
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cweiske    function コミット { ... }
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cweiske $プロバイダ = array();
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cweiske }
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petermolnar I once saw ß in C code
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cweiske https://people.apache.org/~jim/ApacheCons/ApacheCon2005/slides/WE02/PHP_Unicode.pdf page 55
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petermolnar https://mathiasbynens.be/notes/javascript-identifiers
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Zegnat You could run <span class="p-x-pronoun-possessive">?</span>
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Zegnat If you hand over the password hashes in your database to a third-party, shouldn’t you let your users know? I am wondering why Jeff has censored the names of the communities whos hashes he gave to a third-party researcher for cracking: https://blog.codinghorror.com/hacker-hack-thyself/
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Zegnat Or if he hasn’t told the communities at all, how would what he did be OK? That would basically mean he gave away data he is storing for a customer to a third-party.
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petermolnar ok, so that wasn't really a 3rd party, it was a hired security engineer
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petermolnar essentially you're asking if a service provider is allowed to test their own data
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petermolnar for which I don't have answers
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Zegnat I don’t know what common practice here is. Would the security engineer to the testing on location so the database information does not leave Discourse? Maybe third-party is a bit strong, that’s true.
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Zegnat My biggest problem is probably that it doesn’t feel like “their own data”, like how I don’t feel whatever I store in a MySQL database at my hosting provider suddenly makes that my hosting provider’s data. Discourse is basically hosting other people’s forums for a minimum of $100/mo.
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sknebel Zegnat: we don't know how and what they transferred, but in general processing data through third parties is done and commonly only covered by some default language. The NDA covers it legally
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ben_thatmust good morning #indieweb
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sknebel security researcher is not necessarily *that* much different than a contracted sysadmin, a hosted database provider, or even a VPS provider
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petermolnar Zegnat once you host the data, it's not just your data any more; legally it might be, in reality, it's not
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sknebel it gets interesting when it comes to resulting research from that data
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sknebel good morning ben_thatmustbeme, good morning #indieweg!
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cweiske #indiebye
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ben_thatmustbeme what is indieweg?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweg" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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sknebel #indieweb
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sknebel :P
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sknebel (I know that it has value if usernames are included with password dumps, since waay to many users use passwords derived from their user names)
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ben_thatmustbeme reads some scrollback and finds some component class
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ben_thatmustbeme i forgot i left some ascii art in one of my programs when i turned it in.... the profressor happened to be the head of the dept
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ben_thatmustbeme thankfully it was just some figlet art of my name
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petermolnar btw I'm still stunned about the contain small caps, large caps, etc bs. "correct horse battery staple", end of story.
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jjuran petermolnar: Especially now that mobile devices are common.
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jjuran Lowercase letters and Space are always one tap away.
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petermolnar and smart tvs... try putting in "real" passwords with special stuff on a tv
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Zegnat We have an extremely basic Netflix password instead of my usual generated strings because of the TV.
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jjuran One of the offenders is Apple. An Apple ID password requires a punctuation symbol, which is a nuisance to enter on iOS.
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petermolnar Zegnat me too, same for spotify
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: "A Node developer, which is obviously why I'm talking about bash." (twitter.com/_/status/870632597105324036)
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petermolnar I used to start my passwords with some kind of punctuation, now I'm using 3 or 4 random words
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petermolnar sometimes with Hungarian characters like ü, ó, ő :D
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Hulk Bash! From green shell scripter to super hero. With John Loy. (twitter.com/_/status/870632719478398976)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Our theme is the Classic Hulk - 1977 the bourne(?) shell was bourne. (twitter.com/_/status/870632872734060544)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: bash = born-again shell. I have some theological questions. (twitter.com/_/status/870632931190083585)
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jjuran Comcast's cable modem admin interface doesn't require specific combinations, but it does forbid punctuation as well as Space. >:-(
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: 1979 - ansi x.364 - escape sequences for video terminals. (twitter.com/_/status/870633095405469696)
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jjuran A non-ASCII password is asking for trouble. :-)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Use source control (git, svn, mercurial). yes. I know. (twitter.com/_/status/870633351807463425)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: use shell to run servers, build and deploy software (twitter.com/_/status/870633410024361984)
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ben_thatmustbeme i re-use old passwords by just sticking them together. only problem is I end up with some REALLY long passwords sometimes
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: interact with tooling and utlities. (twitter.com/_/status/870633444862197761)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Navigate around and manibulate files. (twitter.com/_/status/870633508586311681)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Can use to, say, get git status for all repos in a directory. (twitter.com/_/status/870633687003615232)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Why should I learn shell scripting/bash? Doesn't it make more sense to use a "real" language. Innit hacky? (twitter.com/_/status/870634025089728512)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Simplest DSL, ever, period. (twitter.com/_/status/870634096837394432)
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ben_thatmustbeme sighs
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Bash over other shells because it's one of the most ubiquitous. (I am the PowerShell heathen in the room, clearly). (twitter.com/_/status/870634200919093248)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Anniversary update coming soon! (twitter.com/_/status/870634228534452224)
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skippy anyone who doesn't think bash is a real programming language doesn't actually know bash.
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Key Concepts: What r terminal? What are shell? Processes & signals. Shell and subshell envs, standard I/O and redirect. (twitter.com/_/status/870634549440655360)
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skippy granted, array and hash syntax is gnarly, and mathematical operations aren't entirely intuitive; but bash can do it all.
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Expansions, true/false/exit status. (twitter.com/_/status/870634618889830400)
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Shell history, aliases, line editing, tab completion. (twitter.com/_/status/870634666658865152)
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petermolnar uhm... I had to interact with bash... Perl written in bash, C, written in bash, and so on, but no, please don't use bash as a structured language for larger projects
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@dissolve333 @E_Aptitude @johnloy hey, could you remove the #indieweb tag, this is spamming the IRC channel of http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/870634736947007488)
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skippy https://github.com/cfenollosa/bashblog
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Loqi [cfenollosa] bashblog: A single Bash script to create blogs. Download, run, write, done!
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skippy heh
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petermolnar yes, I know about it
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: What are terminal? Terminal emulators: xterm, Terminal, gnome-terminal, SSH(Putty?) Screen and Tmux, asciinema player (twitter.com/_/status/870634997270671361)
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petermolnar and indeed, bash is perfect to put things together, eg. exiftool, pandoc, etc
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petermolnar but it's a poor choice to be used as a high level, structured language
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petermolnar also fekin hard to properly debug
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skippy i'm always surprised when i see so much Ruby shelling out to run system binaries.
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Terminal - certain character sequences should be interpreted a certain way. (twitter.com/_/status/870635206184718336)
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cweiske !mute @E_Aptitude
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petermolnar there are tools which are extremely hard to replace or simply doesn't worth it, eg. exiftool
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: TTY = terminal emulator? No. Terminal emulation = behavior. TTY = "device" that does all the i/o deal. (twitter.com/_/status/870635376960045057)
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skippy petermolnar: "set -x", what more debugging do you need? :troll:
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petermolnar which, since it' Perl, can't become a C lib with bindings to other languages
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske: i think that will need to be a feature request for Loqi
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petermolnar so you'll do system calls
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme it's something like spammer X
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petermolnar but you may need to be aaronpk to do that
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cweiske !featurerequest mute twitter conversations in channel
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@E_Aptitude #indieweb @johnloy: Escape sequences manipulate cursor position and style, control text attributes, erase text (clear-host)? trigger alerts. (twitter.com/_/status/870635629977231360)
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cweiske !featurerequest support the "!featurerequest" command
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm pretty sure you have to be aaronpk
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: lol
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cweiske !letmebe aaronpk
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 85 karma in this channel (100 overall)
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petermolnar \/opme
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ben_thatmustbeme !spam E_Aptitude
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cweiske 1 minute until /op cweiske
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-02 3:39pm CEST (#6011)
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petermolnar :D
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cweiske I guess I tried that before and failed
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske: i've done a lot of pen testing on loqi. aaronpk has since secured it a lot more
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petermolnar !spammer E_Aptitude
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petermolnar sudo !spammer E_Aptitude
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aaronpk !spammer E_Aptitude
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Loqi /op cweiske
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ben_thatmustbeme https://twitter.com/E_Aptitude/status/870636287748968454
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@E_Aptitude #revconf @johnloy: Sorry, @dissolve333 - poor data clearing on my part! (twitter.com/_/status/870636287748968454)
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ben_thatmustbeme no need
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petermolnar ah
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aaronpk maybe I never restored that command
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i thought that only worked in #microformats
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aaronpk Oh mayb
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aaronpk I should make it crowdsource !mute commands, so if one person says !mute @e_aptitude the it takes two more people to say +1 and then Loqi mutes it
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Loqi it is probable
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cweiske aaronpk, http://phubb.cweiske.de/counter.php?topic=http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/
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cweiske embeddable feed statistics from my websub hub
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aaronpk Nice
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[kevinmarks] I should switch the default hashtag in noterlive.com
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[kevinmarks] Now I have users ?
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petermolnar my memories are a little fuzzy on this: http://indieweb.org/2014/UK/indiecomms - are there any news on any front?
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eightfold aaronpk: hi there! i wonder if the script you mention at https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/6958109913/ is available somewhere
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aaronpk eightfold: I don't think so, but it's basically just treating long,lat as x,y coordinates and drawing lines.
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eightfold aaronpk: still beyond my knowledge :) thanks anyways
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eightfold i have trouble finding any way to use gpx files to create something like this without uploading years of logs to a server
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eightfold not really keen on that
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aaronpk Should be doable if you can write a little code to parse the gpx file and draw on an image canvas
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aaronpk I used PHP and the GD functions, you don't need anything fancy :-)
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eightfold i know both php and gd, yes. but no really where to start from there :)
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eightfold this might be something: https://gis.stackexchange.com/a/206577
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/chrissng/d3.gpx could be worth a try. D3 is good at geopoint plotting
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Loqi [chrissng] d3.gpx: A lightweight GPS track viewer for GPX files
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[kevinmarks] You can run that locally
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[kevinmarks] Or mung to svg http://nasauber.de/opensource/gpx2svg/
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@aaronpk Thinking it would be pretty fun to have a set of #indieweb hex stickers for the various building blocks. Who's up f… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/870666076522258441 (twitter.com/_/status/870666076522258441)
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@aaronpk @mhaseneyer Just for the logo: https://github.com/indieweb/branding (twitter.com/_/status/870674926474215424)
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sknebel oh, I completely forgot to grab *.rocks stickers. or were they out?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Introducing AltPlatform & our manifesto for the Open Web | AltPlatform by Brian Hendrickson" by Brian Hendrickson on 2017-06-02 http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/31/introducing-altplatform-our-manifesto-for-the-open-web-altplatform/#comment-34803
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@brianjesse replaced Reeder with @unread_app on my phone and it's pretty sweet! my feeds are aggregated by @feedbin -made it trivial to switch #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/870687995703119873)
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snarfed aaronpk: sounds like google cloud's branding/logos. eg https://image.slidesharecdn.com/cloudplatform-buildingascalableapp-150707083326-lva1-app6892/95/google-cloud-platform-building-a-scalable-mobile-application-7-638.jpg
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aaronpk oh nice
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snarfed better: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wtpYLKvCabI/WN447ys35hI/AAAAAAAADok/mJFea94qaosLuTq8zes8TfNcNZRlXGifgCLcB/s1600/gcp-header-logo.png
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[kevinmarks] making them different sizes rather misses the point
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@veganstraightedge @aaronpk Did I ever show you my sketches of hex #indieweb stickers? (twitter.com/_/status/870695707035828233)
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@aaronpk @veganstraightedge no! All I saw was the draft IndieWeb logo that fits in a hex (twitter.com/_/status/870695846848806913)
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[colinwalker] Evening all
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GWG Greetings
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gRegorLove o/ [colinwalker]
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GWG Hello, Gregorlove
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gRegorLove Hey GWG, what's new in indieweb WP land?
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GWG Gregorlove, waiting on pfefferle for a big Semantic Linkbacks enhancement. I taught it to store a lot of properties in comment meta.
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gRegorLove Nice
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GWG Just fixed a bug in the Indieweb plugin
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gRegorLove I'm going to be upgrading a friend's WP soon and will probably give the Indieweb plugin a spin
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GWG And working on templates for Post Kinds to do media.
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GWG Gregorlove, hope you will take notes as ideas occur
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GWG Also, in preparation for the Semantic Linkbacks enhancement, I want to have my Syndication Links and Simple Location support those properties in comments if set, instead of just posts
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GWG If I can get some of that done by the summit...
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[colinwalker] Hey GWG, gRegorLove
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[colinwalker] GWG is the indieweb plugin going to be ready for 4.8? I seem to remember something about a deprecated function?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-02.html
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ben_thatmustbeme What is jf2 feed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "jf2 feed" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme JF2 Feed is a profile of [[JF2]] proposed as a way to generate a side car like feed from mf2.
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Loqi ok
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ben_thatmustbeme Get that in to the newsletter:)
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ben_thatmustbeme JF2 Feed >> https://dissolve.github.io/jf2/#jf2feed
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ben_thatmustbeme What's the command for that?
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aaronpk <<
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ben_thatmustbeme JF2 Feed << https://dissolve.github.io/jf2/#jf2feed
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Loqi ok, I added "https://dissolve.github.io/jf2/#jf2feed" to the "See Also" section of /JF2_Feed
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aaronpk the arrows point to the thing you're adding to
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ben_thatmustbeme Want sure if it was like bash in that regard
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ben_thatmustbeme Wasn't*. Darn phone
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gRegorLove How do we get the newsletter listing for IndieWeb Summit to add "Portland" so it's not just "Mozilla"?
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aaronpk i think the extra nested h-adr is messing it up
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gRegorLove Ahh, that sounds familiar. Think I ran into it elsewhere.
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aaronpk too many variations on how to specify locations
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gRegorLove updates
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gRegorLove Should work now. The parsed results resemble the HWCs now.
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-02.html
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gRegorLove Just learned that kottke.org added annual memberships as a way to support the site: http://kottke.org/16/11/kottkeorg-memberships Interesting idea
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miklb he did that after The Deck shut down I think
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madyak um guessing this channel doesn't have much to do with beer?
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gRegorLove madyak: Heh, nope. "Homebrew Website Club" is a meetup we have for people working on their personal websites. It's named in the vein of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrew_Computer_Club
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gRegorLove How'd you come across #indieweb?
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gRegorLove And, welcome, by the way :)
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madyak Thanks.. I was just looking for Oregon chat rooms. Is this Homebrew, mac stuff?
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gRegorLove Nope. It's a plurality of projects, not a monoculture. People use various CMSes or static site generators to run their sites.
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gRegorLove We work on a set of protocols that lets us interact with each others' sites regardless of what the plumbing is that runs the site.
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madyak hrm. interesting. I'm still stuck on Coldfusion.. old dogs and aversion to new tricks, you know?
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/principles has more info
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gRegorLove I did some ColdFusion work back in the day. Yeah, switching languages can be a pain. :)
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gRegorLove Do you have a personal website?
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madyak not so much a personal website -- small business (rustyzipper.com)
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madyak sounds like indieweb stuff is more of a set of protocols, platform independent?
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gRegorLove Groovy site :)
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madyak I've heard of it, but I've sort of been in a luddite funk lately.
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madyak thank you.. you wouldn't think so if you saw my code.
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gRegorLove I meant visually, and the clothes
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gRegorLove I'm sure lots of us have messy code, haha
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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madyak Is there an example of a "typical-ish" indieweb site you can point me to? (to which you can point me, I guess)
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madyak skinny jeans are on their way out, bellbottoms coming!
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gRegorLove Heh, hmm. Not sure about "typical". There is an open source CMS called Known that one of the community members develops and it has a lot of social features built-in, lets you post on your own site and syndicate elsewhere (POSSE)
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gRegorLove http://werd.io is his site and it's running Known
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gRegorLove What is Getting Started?
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Loqi Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page & other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started