#indieweb 2017-06-03

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gRegorLove And Loqi is our helpful bot. If you ask a "What is..." question he'll search the indieweb.org wiki and respond
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gRegorLove What is Known?
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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gRegorLove What is Webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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gRegorLove That's one of the protocols I was referring to ^
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madyak Yeah, I bookmarked it - thanks. Is there anything akin to Hootsuite that uses known/posse? I'm not very social when it comes to media, but we finally have a content person & sort of trying to figure out what we want to do with it on our website and how it filters out to social media.
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gRegorLove I'm only passingly familiar with Hootsuite, so don't know all the features it supports.
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gRegorLove Bridgy is a helpful indieweb service that lets you POSSE to Twitter, Facebook, and others, though
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gRegorLove And it can also send responses from those social sites back to your own site
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gRegorLove What is Bridgy?
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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gRegorLove Here's an example: I post notes on my site that include microformats. Then I use Bridgy to publish it on Twitter: https://gregorlove.com/2017/05/hey-bellingham-join-us-tonight/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Hey Bellingham, join us tonight @TheFoundryWA for Homebrew Website Club: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club
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madyak I had planned on using hootsuite but their API had some limitations & I didn't really like the idea of using JSapi..rather do stuff server-side. I'll check out Bridgy thank you.
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gRegorLove Bridgy reads the information it needs from the microformats and puts it in a tweet. Then I add that "Also on..." syndication link on my post. Those comments that appear below it are "backfeed" from Twitter.
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gRegorLove So I own my notes this way, and they're not locked in Twitter if/when they go away.
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madyak maan I have some poking around to do for sure. glad I stumbled across this.. social media crap is my next big project.
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gRegorLove Are you in/near Portland?
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madyak Yeah, Silverton.
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madyak But your original note does get posted to Twitter, yeah? So from a data standpoint, if you were to make changes, do you synch the edits?
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gRegorLove I was going to say depending how close you are, there's a monthly Homebrew Website Club meetup in Portland. Next one is June 7th.
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gRegorLove Looks like you're a bit further out though
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gRegorLove when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2017-06-07 at DreamHost https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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gRegorLove Correct, if you click the "Also on: twitter.com" that's a link to the tweet.
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gRegorLove Twitter doesn't support editing tweets, so if I change my local one I'd probably delete the original tweet and re-post the update.
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gRegorLove I haven't had to need that more than a few times though, honestly
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gRegorLove had to need? Heh
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madyak around here we say done did it, so had to need sounded ok to me.
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madyak or he went and done did it
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madyak or went and gone done did it, if you want to be extra hillbilly.
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madyak Added it to my calendar, I will be in Portland on Wednesday so I may be able to make it.
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gRegorLove We have an IndieWebCamp event coming up end of June in Portland, too: https://2017.indieweb.org
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madyak running my kid to the school dance.. back in a bit
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove I'm heading out myself. Feel free to ask any questions here; people are around most any hour.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Micro.Blogging — The Future of Short Form Blogging?" by Des on 2017-06-03 http://www.desparoz.com/2017/06/03/micro-blogging-the-future-of-short-form-blogging/
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eli_oat evening indieweb!
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tantek what is Hootsuite?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hootsuite" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Micro.Blogging — The Future of Short Form Blogging?" by Des Paroz on 2017-06-03 https://medium.com/@desparoz/micro-blogging-the-future-of-short-form-blogging-ca57ed03c619?source=rss-f3db9721df59------2
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schmarty loqi, y u no announce this week's newsletter audio edition?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4ofFubKa.jpg
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schmarty https://martymcgui.re/2017/06/02/210453/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • May 27th - June 2nd, 2017
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sknebel good morning #indieweb!
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eli_oat I was just about to say goodnight, :P
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eli_oat (timezone jokes, always hillarious to me for some reason)
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GWG I exist out of time
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eli_oat what time is it for GWG
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Loqi In GWG's timezone, America/New_York, it is currently 11:33pm on June 2
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eli_oat :P
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eli_oat GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 208 karma in this channel (227 overall)
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GWG So, what projects are people up to?
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eli_oat alas, not much indieweb this evening. Catching up on work-y work. Which is decidedly un-indieweb
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GWG I have to make some changes to my latest effort due to unanticipated consequences.
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sknebel currently, breakfast. after that, attempting to fix microformat-shiv
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GWG Breakfast is nice
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tantek GWG I am considering a name for my fork of Markdown so that I can start actually referring to it as something
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tantek especially since I am now tempted to add it to the mix of feed related things
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tantek but first, dinner
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GWG Dinner is good
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tantek is watching the "groups" video from IWC Düsseldorf
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tantek (and eating dinner)
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tantek oh my goodness they are reinventing email
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tantek indiewebcamp session videos and chill
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tantek now watching the "onboarding" video from IWC Düsseldorf
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tantek really great empathizing by joschi
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tantek jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 29 karma
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tantek re: onboarding session, strange how the "apprentice" wording crept into the /2017/Düsseldorf page — none of that is on the /2016 event page so I'm curious how it returned to the Düsseldorf event
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[colinwalker] Morning all
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sknebel morning!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Whither microblogging?" by Colin Walker on 2017-06-03 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/06/03/whither-microblogging/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown" by nicolascluz on 2016-09-26 https://mabulledu.net/sharing-from-indieweb-mobile-android-with-apps/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Press-this , WordPress et android" by nicolascluz on 2016-09-26 https://mabulledu.net/press-this-wordpress-et-android/
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Zegnat !tell schmarty from where do you read the HWC locations? I must have forgotten to update something as you didn’t read out the virtual one.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The ideal place for a Homebrew Website Club?" by Kevin Marks on 2017-06-03 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-ideal-place-for-a-homebrew-website-club
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petermolnar I'm trying to get started with websub from the bottom, but to be honest, the documentation on pubsub is not the brightest: when you want to ping superfeedr, what is the topic, the url of the feed or the url of the site?
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Zegnat what is websub?
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Loqi WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH, and briefly PubSub) is a notification-based protocol for web publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/WebSub
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petermolnar righ, found https://indieweb.org/How_to_publish_and_consume_PubSubHubbub
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Zegnat I just needed a quick link to the spec. From a very fast reading, I believe the topic is the URL of whatever changed. So if you allow people to subscribe to an RSS feed, you submit the URL of the RSS feed.
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schmarty Zegnat: I read the cities list from the events section at the top of the newsletter. I usually click through for the final list but missed that step this time. Sorry for the omission!!
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Loqi schmarty: Zegnat left you a message 2 hours, 8 minutes ago: from where do you read the HWC locations? I must have forgotten to update something as you didn’t read out the virtual one.
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Zegnat If we weren’t in the newsletter that still means I missed something I should have updated.
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sknebel Zegnat: could be that the newsletter looks for h-cards to figure out the cities? otherwise I don't see how it would get the data
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sknebel but that's a question for aaronpk
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Zegnat It might have been pulling from a page where I forgot to add it?
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sknebel don't think so
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sknebel there is no good list outside the event page
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk Where did I forget to add the Virtual HWC? It did not turn up on the newsletter.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel and city + location is exactly what you can get from the h-cards
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sknebel that virtual doesn't have
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Zegnat That might be it.
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sknebel !tell aaronpk: capitalization of the HWC cities in the newsletter fails with the "ü", that's a bit ugly :/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel oh, the code is on github: https://github.com/indieweb/this-week (Zegnat)
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Loqi [indieweb] this-week: Weekly digest of IndieWebCamp activity
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j4y_funabashi howdy
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 2 hours, 10 minutes ago: Where did I forget to add the Virtual HWC? It did not turn up on the newsletter.
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Loqi aaronpk: sknebel left you a message 2 hours, 8 minutes ago: capitalization of the HWC cities in the newsletter fails with the "ü", that's a bit ugly :/
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Loqi guten morgen
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sknebel good morning!
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Zegnat god morgon
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aaronpk huh i'm not sure how the ü got in there
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aaronpk oh no... i bet strtoupper doesn't catch it
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sknebel quite possible, or dependent on locale... (I couldn't find the right part on github, otherwise I'd have checked and searched for fixes myself ;))
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Zegnat mb_strtoupper is locale independent, so you might want to switch to that then, aaronpk
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aaronpk oh apparently i have a bunch of not-checked-in code
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sknebel or use CSS and text-transform: uppercase
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aaronpk can't rely on css for emails
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sknebel ah, there is that :/
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[kevinmarks] Can you not do the capitalization with css? I think that's unicode aware
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[kevinmarks] Hah, jinx.
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petermolnar I still wonder why PHP kept strtoupper and created mb_... not just replaced the original as they should have
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petermolnar for strlen I get
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petermolnar not for the rest
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aaronpk there is a separate character for uppercase ß?
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Zegnat Isn’t strlen also a bit wonky? I think I have seen crypto libs use mb_strlen with a manually set '8bit' encoding to count bytes.
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petermolnar isn't PHP a bit wonky? :P /me ducks
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petermolnar even though I'm using it as well
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aaronpk whoa 'In modern browsers, "ß" will be converted to "SS" when the element containing it is set to uppercase using text-transform: uppercase'
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Zegnat I think SS might be correct. I seem to have a vague recollection of STRASSE being written like that in capital form.
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Zegnat sknebel would know better
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aaronpk okay fixed, we'll see if next week's newsletter has a Ü
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sknebel there is a letter for uppercase ß (ẞ), but it's really uncommon
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sknebel so converting SS currently matches real-world usage better
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sknebel (uncommon as in, many Germans probably aren't even aware the upper-case form exists)
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sknebel (according to https://www.campaignmonitor.com/css/ , text-transform is well supported in html-email-clients)
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tantek good day #Indieweb!
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sandroh waves
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miklb sweet, my first reply as a WP comment sent as a webmention worked.
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GWG My Semantic Linkbacks PR just got merged. Excitement.
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miklb GWG I thought you might be happy to see that.
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GWG miklb: Can I see the reply?
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miklb https://miklb.com/1880-2/#comment-705
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Loqi Author’s gravatar Michael Bishop says: I’m mostly looking to hand roll a little static site... https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/c39a1d6df73525945cfe50e99dada730?s=65&d=%5Bdefault%20gravatar%20URL%5D&r=r
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miklb hmm
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miklb https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170603212016
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Loqi [eli] miklb, I personally prefer mustache, because it is implemented in so many languages. that being said, it probably boils down to use-case, since handlebars is a bit more capable.
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miklb my reply from a WP comment shows up there
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miklb guess I need to work on the mf2 on the comment markup
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sandroh Looking at webactions. When I click 'Like' it doesn't change to 'Liked', does it? Has anyone thought about how to make that work? I think you could do it by having the protocol handler load an iframe on the user's home site.
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[colinwalker] Evening all.
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miklb evening [colinwalker]
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[colinwalker] How's it going?
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miklb good! procrastinating by looking to build a simple static site generator with Gulp
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[colinwalker] Cool.
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[colinwalker] Just upgraded to the latest Semantic Linkbacks - looking forward to seeing what properties GWG has got in there.
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GWG Well, I have to fix the tests, but it is merged
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[colinwalker] What's failing?
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miklb hmm. seems my nested comments needs some work. a reply to my reply isn't showing up in the markup
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eli_oat miklb, if that is my reply you are refering too I may have screwed something up on my end
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eli_oat I'm still not certain how nicely my site is playing with others
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miklb eli_oat well, it shows up in my admin as a webmention for that post, but the comment is showing up on my page
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miklb s/is showing/isn't showing/
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[colinwalker] I need to work out replies to replies
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miklb this is my first chance to test in the wild, so it's exciting!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4ofhajJL.jpg
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miklb lol Loqi
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eli_oat loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 58 karma in this channel (426 overall)
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[colinwalker] So, is that using the webmention_target_fragment stuff?
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miklb maybe? :-) It is using the webmention for comments plugin
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miklb WordPress plugin that is
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petermolnar mustache, I looked into that - the templating - but that is way too simple
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miklb [colinwalker] I am using a custom comment walker for my theme so I'm not sure if that's where the issue lies with the reply-to-reply
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[colinwalker] Ah, okay. Just wondered because of the newer stuff in the normal webmention plugin:
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[colinwalker] "Target fragment is stored to support fragmentions. Can also suport comments when reply is to a comment."
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miklb yeah, I haven't dug into that part too much, I think that's fairly recent addition.
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[colinwalker] yeah, it is, was wondering myself how I can implement
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miklb now I also want to be able to "like" replies.
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tantek you can like any post you want
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miklb tantek I mean I want a UI for doing it on my site
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miklb I can reply to a reply from the comment form, I want to add a way to like the reply in the same fashion
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tantek makes sense. I believe existing silos have UIs for that, perhaps screenshot / document them as a starting point?
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miklb possibly. I'll probably just look to extend the plugin code that does the reply to also have option to like.
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tantek and apparently Swarm wants you to be within 5 miles of a venue in order to give you points for the checkin. whatever, I'm using it for sharing to friends where I've been anyway, especially with anchoring a set of photos to a space time coordinate
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tantek I am so good at crashing iOS Swarm :P
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tantek interesting, in FB safety check, I am seeing "Last posted 2 minutes ago" etc. under some people
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