#indieweb 2017-06-16

2017-06-16 UTC
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb!
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gRegorLove Howdy tantek
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The missing close parenthesis should be on line 72 before the closing em tag in at https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/blob/master/includes/views/kind.php Thus: echo '<em> (' . $site_name . ')</em>';" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/the-missing-close-parenthesis-should-be-on-line-72-before
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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tantek wat
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tantek ok the HWC Berlin stickers are way cool: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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tantek Who made those?
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tantek especially the Brandenberg Gate - can we get those sticker image files uploaded to the wiki?
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[miklb] good evening IndieWeb
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eli_oat howdy miklb
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[miklb] what’s new?
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GWG New?
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[miklb] I’ve been offline most of teh week at the beach, anything exciting happen this week?
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GWG [miklb]: New Post Kinds with templates which needs a second revision based on messing up chrisaldrich. New Syndication Links with comment support.
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[miklb] I look forward to catching up on the updates when I get back tomorrow
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-16.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[eddie] miklb: No kidding! You were offline at the beach this week too???
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[eddie] miklb: I just got home this evening and am about to attempt to scroll the log... we'll see how that goes :)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi *yawn*
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@krautsource @CarolinN Ich nutze Bridgy, https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/ Passt gut zum #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/875636644430229504)
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Zegnat !tell calumryan HWC London is on the event page for the 28th, as I believe you have a fixed location and are sticking to the schedule? If not, please let me know so London will not be a default include.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Good morning tantek
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Zegnat What time is it for tantek?
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Loqi In tantek's timezone, US/Pacific, it is currently 3:13am on June 16
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Zegnat Good night, I guess :)
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Loqi buenas noches
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calumryan Zegnat: June 28th location to be confirmed as we are probably moving to a different place that barryf will be able to confirm an address soon. RSVP-only due to security requirements at new venue.
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Loqi calumryan: Zegnat left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: HWC London is on the event page for the 28th, as I believe you have a fixed location and are sticking to the schedule? If not, please let me know so London will not be a default include.
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Zegnat Thanks calumryan. I'll make sure to update the event page as soon as I find my train seat
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Zegnat calumryan, I updated the event page. Bolded statement on required RSVP, which I think is important.
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Zegnat I wonder how this is at DreamHost (aaronpk) or Mozilla (tantek). Do you require RSVPs? Do you have to hand over attendee lists?
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sknebel if I remember right what tantek wrote in the past, people just say where they want to go at the front desk and they'll send them there or call tantek to collect them if early
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Zegnat It is very much in the front of my mind because Maciej had to move a TechSolidarity meeting, as they didn't want to leave a record of who was showing up.
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Zegnat Probably less of a problem for HWC, but still worth noting on the event page if a venue has requirements other than drop-in.
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calumryan It’s a slight drawback of the new venue but should hopefully be better for linking up with virtual HWC. Also using Eventbrite as an option for RSVPs for first-time people who may need assistance to use the wiki.
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Zegnat Oh, yes, please add more RSVP options when they come available. The wiki "problem" will probably get more discussion during the Leaders summit :)
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GWG Greetings
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aaronpk DreamHost doesn't require signing in at the desk, they let people walk in
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Zegnat Thanks for confirming aaronpk :) DreamHost is not hosting HWC the 28th?
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aaronpk The DreamHost dates are on https://indieweb.org/hwcpdx
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Zegnat Ah, nice, thanks! And I assume you just stick with once a month following that schedule for PDX? I think you mentioned this on Wednesday.
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@manton2 Jeremy Keith on Presentable and the IndieWeb: http://www.manton.org/2017/06/jeremy-keith-on-presentable-and-the-indieweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/875719755927355392)
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@CocoaDevBlogs Manton Reece : Jeremy Keith on Presentable and the IndieWeb http://www.manton.org/2017/06/jeremy-keith-on-presentable-and-the-indieweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/875720439045251073)
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aaronpk yeah, once a month, most of the time first wednesday but there are some exceptions
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aaronpk we picked the dates ahead of time based on when myself and our host at dreamhost will be in town
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@eli_oat In which I wonder if @BeakerBrowser and @dat_project are the unsung heroes of the #indieweb? https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170616150708 (twitter.com/_/status/875731877725954057)
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@closetgeekshow I love my #pab #podcamp and #unpropod crew. If there was a way that I could have an indieweb presence and that people would actually go to (twitter.com/_/status/875741729353281536)
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@aaronpk @closetgeekshow @closetgeekshow you *can* have the best of both worlds, it's called POSSE! http://indieweb.org/POSSE… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/875742309454938112 (twitter.com/_/status/875742309454938112)
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[miklb] eddie I just got back.
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[eddie] ?
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[miklb] weather was cooperative so didn’t work on my projects. But fully recharged.
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[eddie] Being recharged is a good thing! Weather was cooperative for me too…. maybe too cooperative. ?
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@closetgeekshow @aaronpk i'll check that out. btw the indieweb crew were the mocking ppl that i eluded to, which wasn't very welcoming. (twitter.com/_/status/875747033986076673)
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@closetgeekshow @aaronpk but you are right, indieweb is more than just the oldstyle web making a resurgence https://indieweb.org/irc/2015-10-27 (twitter.com/_/status/875747107751243776)
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[miklb] mocking?
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Zegnat closetgeekshow got mocked by "the indieweb crew"?! Can't have been us :s
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@aaronpk @closetgeekshow mocking? that doesn't sound like the indieweb people I know. plz DM me more info, I'd like to make sure this is addressed (twitter.com/_/status/875747702373404674)
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ben_thatmustbeme raises and eyebrow
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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Zegnat Good morning tantek!
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ben_thatmustbeme mornin' tantek
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[kevinmarks] I don't see evidence of it on twitter
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/closetgeekshow/status/449207285466669056
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@closetgeekshow I gotta say I'm not down with this "IndieWeb" moniker, like it's some new trend or invention it's just the old-style web's resurgence (twitter.com/_/status/449207285466669056)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/closetgeekshow/status/622097349641244672
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aaronpk followed up with him in DM
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@closetgeekshow I think a lot about IndieWeb, Tilde Club and what might replace reddit. I feel like there needs to be a social network for 90s kids. (twitter.com/_/status/622097349641244672)
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aaronpk wow the new twitter UI makes it look very similar to Known
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Zegnat aaronpk++ for following up on possible mockings, community should be welcoming
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ben_thatmustbeme toys with a JF2 icon http://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/jf2.svg
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/webmention-idea.svg
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ben_thatmustbeme playing around with inkscape
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm no designer, and i also did it in like 2 minutes
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KevinMarks_ I like the W with an arrow for webmention
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ben_thatmustbeme my other thought was taking that and doing a similar one on top of another, rotate the other around , so W points up-right, M points down-left
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[kevinmarks] Did anyone else come up with a micropub?
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aaronpk I had another thought the other day:
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aaronpk | . |
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ben_thatmustbeme what?
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[kevinmarks] Pong? Is that like the patreon one?
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aaronpk It looks like a stylized M if you draw it right
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sebsel like that? https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/b3fba6-m.jpg
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GWG I need some logos for Indieweb WordPress plugins
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[kevinmarks] That looks like ?‍♂️
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ben_thatmustbeme hah, it sort of does
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GWG How do you figure out how to iterate in steps that are not too large to accomplish in a reasonable amount of time?
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tantek GWG asks the fundamental project management question :)
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GWG I am not as good at it in my personal work
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GWG To echo a song from Willy Wonka. I want the world...
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gRegorLove I'm a fan of Mark Forster's FVP algorithm for tasks: http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs004/1100358239599/archive/1109511856508.html
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Zegnat GWG, according to what I have read, you do a 500 dollar AGILE course and then you’ll be able to figure all of that out.
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GWG I just want to set a goal I can achieve
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gRegorLove One of the big reasons I like that method is it gets you to make *some* progress on a task without a lot of mental effort in organizing tasks, breaking them down into smaller tasks, etc.
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gRegorLove I use it for my task lists in general, but could apply it to just a specific project like coding
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tantek my problem is that every day my list(s) like that grow MUCH faster than I can do things on them, and sometimes even faster than I can manage to iterate through to the end
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gRegorLove Long lists are OK in that algorithm, unless you mean you're missing time-sensitive items that have to be done today
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tantek exactly that problem
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gRegorLove Oops, older link above. This is FVP: http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2015/5/21/the-final-version-perfected-fvp.html
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tantek no the algorithm specifies that you keep going until you reach end of list before you start doing anything
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tantek that instantly fails
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gRegorLove It's rather funny with as many time management methods he's come up with that he named one "Final Version" heh
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tantek merely the act of having to evaluate each item as want to do or not is too exhaustive and takes more than a day now
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tantek e.g. "There are no tasks you want to do before tidying your desk" <-- you have to have evaluated the rest of the items in the list to come to that conclusion
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gRegorLove I find that i skim the list. You get familiar with what's on it and after a few "What do I want to do more than X?" questions I know pretty well I've selected the thing I want to do next
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tantek gRegorLove: Final Version -> Final Version Perfected lol
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gRegorLove Yep. There's newer alternatives I haven't check out yet. There's one that's questionless, apparently.
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tantek FVP has same problem: "The only task you want to do more than ..." <-- to conlude "only task ... more than", you are required to evaluate the remainder of the list.
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tantek Two more general flaws. 1. nearly any "productivity" system can be shown to seem to be working with a small (<100) list of items. 2. nearly any "system" you can make up and stick to consistently daily for 2+ weeks will work better than no / a haphazard / a reactive system, so that's not a good enough metric either.
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tantek (if you're trying to evaluate / compare systems)
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tantek (like is claimed at the start, about being the best used on self)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-16.html
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tantek ooh hurry!
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Zegnat Oh, Newsletter shows Edmonton event for next week, but the page doesn’t exist yet: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-20-homebrew-website-club
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Zegnat I !tell’d Kongaloosh asking about it, but no reply yet
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gRegorLove They're not on very regularly. I think it's safe to set it up with same info as last one, with venue TBD
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gRegorLove on chat, that is
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Kongaloosh hey!
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Loqi Kongaloosh: tantek left you a message 6 days, 21 hours ago: could you create a wiki page for the next Edmonton HWC so we can include it in various listings (homepage, events, weekly newsletter etc.) https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-20-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Kongaloosh: Zegnat left you a message 1 day, 7 hours ago: you do HWC Edmonton right? Still on for the 20th? I would love to get that event page online :)
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Kongaloosh I was at a conference!
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Kongaloosh I'll be doing that today :)
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Zegnat Aah, good, thanks a lot Kongaloosh! The newsletter is going to link to it :)
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Kongaloosh thanks for pinging me!
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Kongaloosh Zegnat++
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Zegnat Just noticed the newsletter doesn’t list the Virtual HWC for the 28th. I apparently keep forgetting to put events on the page that the newsletter reads. I think it missed Ft Collins last time too. gRegorLove, great wiki editor, what page do I keep missing?
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gRegorLove If you use Gandi as registrar for .io domains, check the whois privacy. There was a technical migration at the nic.io registry and rules there chagned which deactivated protected whois. Gandi still offers their own protected whois, though. https://twitter.com/FiloSottile/status/875817797745553408
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@FiloSottile Well, thanks for letting me know AFTER my address and phone number got archived forever in a hundred shady places. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCeHobDXcAQmI1s.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/875817797745553408)
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gRegorLove Zegnat: List comes from /events and if the event linked there has an h-event, that's used for the locations / summary iirc
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Zegnat Aah, gotcha!
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Zegnat So do I just add | event_location4 = Baltimore and | event_location5 = Virtual (CEST) ? Or must it match headers on the day page, so Baltimore MD and nothing usefull for virtual?
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sknebel Zegnat: it seems to take everything from the lowest "unit" of locality
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sknebel virtual doesn't have an h-card, and thus doesn't appear?
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@guerillagirl_ Why haven't I heard about that? Absolutely worthy of support! https://indieweb.org/ #yourcontentisyours #blogging #alwaysselfhosting (twitter.com/_/status/875826863029071876)
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Zegnat sknebel; Basically: I have no idea how to get any event to show up in the newsletter. Apparently I need to update the {{one-day-event}} template on /events but I am not sure how
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sknebel Zegnat: no, it follows links
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sknebel and fetches the HWC-page
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gRegorLove Right, the virtual on https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club needs a p-location h-card
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Zegnat Aah. Hmm.
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gRegorLove Though I *think* as a fallback, if it's on the /events as event_location5 like you listed above, it will show just that
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[kevinmarks] Which h-card properties does it want?
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Zegnat No, I don’t think there is a fallback gRegorLove. London is on /events but not in the newsletter.
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gRegorLove Haven't looked at the code behind it, but I know if the event permalink has p-location h-card with a venue name, it lists [city] [venue]
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gRegorLove Lacking venue but with an address, it shows [city] [address]
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gRegorLove Like Brighton on https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-16.html
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Zegnat Mostly, I would like to have Virtual show up on the newsletter. As well as London, as calumryan has confirmed London is happening, barryf just needs to confirm the address.
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[miklb] is part of the problem that it is wiki or is there still debate on how events should be parsed/displayed?
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Zegnat [miklb], the problem here is more that non of us is 100% sure what algo the newsletter is applying.
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sknebel Zegnat: I'm reading the code right now :P
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gRegorLove reviews https://github.com/indieweb/this-week/blob/master/generate-events-summary.php
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[miklb] ah.
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Zegnat Alright, so three of us are looking at that PHP file :p
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi hehe
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sknebel everything that has a p-location should work
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sknebel even if it is just text
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gRegorLove Well, I know if there's p-location on the event permalink it works
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Zegnat These are exactly the things I would like to get cleared up before/during Leaders.
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Zegnat So London should get a p-location TBA, and Virtual a p-location talky.io ?
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[miklb] ?
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@osbridge Planning to attend both #osb17 AND #indiewebsummit? Have a sekrit discount for the latter, busy bees: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/summit-2017/discount/INDIEBRIDGE (twitter.com/_/status/875828985363664896)
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sknebel London should get something with "London"
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GWG [miklb]: Back home yet?
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gRegorLove I just updated for London
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[miklb] @GWG I am! Got back around noon.
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GWG Welcome home
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[miklb] also, doesn’t seem that I can @ <tab> to autocomplete GWG in Slack. I’ve noticed that with a few nicks
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-16.html
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[miklb] GWG did I read you are traveling now?
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GWG [miklb]: I leave for the Summit on Thursday and keep going after that
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[miklb] ah
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GWG I was just saying, since I'm traveling, maybe I should work on location
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[miklb] Indeed.
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GWG [miklb]: Have you played with Simple Location?
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tantek what is Simple Location
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Simple Location" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG Simple Location is an Indieweb-friendly WordPress plugin that enhances posts with location information.
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Loqi ok
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GWG Maybe I should have called it something else. Simple is a big legacy to live up to
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tantek just don't call it "Really Simple" ;)
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GWG tantek: I just found a lack of straightforward location plugins for WordPress
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[miklb] GWG I looked at it, but thought it didn’t pass the location data from OYSwarm so I put it on back burner.
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GWG [miklb]: I don't Swarm, so I never tested that. It does from Micropub in theory
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[miklb] I’m definitely going to look at it more as I want to be able to document my trip to New Orleans next month.
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GWG Well, next on the agenda is Location display support for Comments, as I just finished Syndication link support for comments.
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-16.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/875839165295808513/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/875839165295808513)
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tantek huh, somehow the virtual photo didn't make ti to Twitter
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GWG And if I can figure out one failing test for Semantic Linkbacks, it will start storing both of those in the stable version
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@brianjesse "Keeping conversations going on the Web" http://andysylvester.com/2017/06/16/keeping-conversations-going-on-the-web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/875858820454469632)
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for June 10th - 16th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/06/16/194231/ (twitter.com/_/status/875861549981859840)
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