#indieweb 2017-06-20

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@lynncyrin I'll be going to the @indiewebcamp thing this weekend probs! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/summit-2017/ https://twitter.com/lynncyrin/status/865644174174900225 (twitter.com/_/status/876954052730404864)
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GWG Do we still have apprentices?
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@gRegorLove @lynncyrin @indiewebcamp Awesome! Look forward to seeing you there. (twitter.com/_/status/876959140245123073)
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[miklb] apprentices for what?
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gRegorLove Cool, first HWC in NZ I think? https://reitnauer.com/updates/homebrew-website-club-wellington-july-5-2017/
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Loqi [treitnauer] Homebrew Website Club: Wellington July 5, 2017
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gRegorLove o/ treitnauer
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gRegorLove For https://indieweb.org/Template:Timo_Reitnauer I think that's the info you want to put on your User page: https://indieweb.org/User:Reitnauer.com
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treitnauer I think it's the first in NZ. :) Wanted to start one a while ago and AltPlatform.org's post was a good reminder: http://www.altplatform.org/2017/06/17/indiewebifying-my-website-part-1/ – the author is based here as well
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Loqi [Richard MacManus] IndieWebifying my website: part 1, the why & how
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gRegorLove The template lets you put your name, photo, and link in an h-card, for lists of attendees, or signing comments, etc. More on that here: https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline#How_to_make_a_small_h-card_template
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treitnauer Thanks!
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eli_oat treitnauer, and it is hosted at iwantmyname!?
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treitnauer yes, it's at our office in Wellington
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eli_oat wowow!
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eli_oat I've used iwantmyname as my registrar for years now…I'm weirdly jealous of not being able to go (because I live a bajillion miles away)
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treitnauer That's cool to hear <3
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gRegorLove Hey, rad. "Supporters of the Indie Web" right on the homepage of iwantmyname.com
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eli_oat I think iwantmyname and a talk by amber case are where I first heard of the indieweb
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gRegorLove treitnauer: Do you do hosting, too? I see Known is an option, among many others: https://iwantmyname.com/services/personal-profile/known
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eli_oat I don't think they do hosting, not atleast as iwantmyname. They've got a groovy control panel that makes setting up with various hosted services wicked easy, though
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eli_oat yeah, no hosting: https://iwantmyname.com/features/domains/web-hosting
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treitnauer We don't offer hosting. But there's a one-click DNS install option for Known for people who don't know how to set up DNS records.
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treitnauer (and the vast majority doesn't know anything about DNS)
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eli_oat does anyone *really* know DNS? :P
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eli_oat even when I feel like I fully comprehend a DNS thing, something I've done 10000 times before, it'll befuddle me the 10001 time
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@treitnauer Join us for the first ever Homebrew Website Club in Wellington. Discuss and work on your own website: https://reitnauer.com/updates/homebrew-website-club-wellington-july-5-2017/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/876968449880215552)
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GWG dougbeal|mb1: Have a minute?
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@treitnauer Join us for the first ever Homebrew Website Club in Wellington, NZ. Discuss and work on your own website: http://reitnauer.com/updates/homebr… #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/876980277104463872)
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@ChrisAldrich Another reason to go #indieweb: http://www.socialcooling.com/ #socialcooling https://twitter.com/vboykis/status/876825785415368704 (twitter.com/_/status/876985498958536704)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Another reason to go #indieweb: socialcooling.com #socialcooling https://twitter.com/vboykis/status/876825785415368704" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-20 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/another-reason-to-go-indieweb-socialcoolingcom-socialcooling-vboykisstatus876825785415368704
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GWG It took 3 years, but I finally convinced someone to come to an Indiewebcamp.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, great!
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GWG I don't know how interested he is
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[miklb] which camp?
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GWG [miklb]: The Summit.
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GWG I told an old friend of mine who moved to Washington state I was going to be in Portland. He wanted to come down to see me
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@ricmac Count me in :) Wellington #IndieWeb fans, who wants to join us? https://twitter.com/treitnauer/status/876980277104463872 (twitter.com/_/status/877003400335867906)
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GWG So he'll be coming on Sunday.
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GWG He doesn't have a website.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The US government is taking your Facebook data. But it doesn't stop there - New Statesman" on 2013-08-29 http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&ct2=us&usg=AFQjCNF1Z0YjX2m3Dx2mkKpCIL6SidKryg&clid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331&cid=43982153730810&ei=YJVIWcCQOcfZqgLY2LuQAQ&url=http://www.newstatesman.com/business/2013/08/us-government-taking-your-facebook-data-it-doesnt-stop-there
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[miklb] that’s a weird one. 2013
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@tomwiththeweath looking forward to indieweb summit this weekend in portland! https://2017.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/877016234373636096)
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tantek I am seeing a new "reaction" / reacji on FB - a rainbow pride flag
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWebifying my website: part 1, the why & how | AltPlatform" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-20 http://altplatform.org/2017/06/17/indiewebifying-my-website-part-1/
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snarfed tantek: yup. eg https://github.com/snarfed/granary/pull/108
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Loqi [sebsel] #108 add facebook pride reacji
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tantek is there a pride (flag) emoji? or are you using "rainbow"?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Chris Aldrich June 20, 2017 IndieWebifying my website: part 1, the why & how | AltPlatform AltPlatform blogger Richard MacManus details how he's modifying his website to join the independent web. I'm tickled pink that he holds my site up as a quintessential example. (I'm hoping he's using it in the sense of the Latin word for five as I can name at least that many and even more that are better...) Of course, like Bernard of Chartres, I've only been able to see further because of giants like Matthias Pfefferle, David Shanske, dozens of other indieweb proponents, and the thousands upon thousands of folks in the WordPress community. #indienews 0 stars 0 comments Also on: Chris Aldrich @ChrisAldrich" http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/indiewebifying-my-website-part-1-the-why-how-altplatform
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tantek wat
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tantek Loqi, stop!
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[miklb] sigh
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tantek waits for aaronpk to wake up in UTC+2 and discover this
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snarfed tantek: rainbow
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tantek snarfed, did you ever see / support the brief purple flower "grateful" reacji?
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snarfed yup
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tantek snarfed, first I saw of the pride reacji was this post: https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/photos/a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349/616628958366561/?type=3&theater (note year of post! 2013!)
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[sebsel] Tantek: Zegnat and I spent a good two days with the rainbow emoji. I even manually POSSE'd one https://seblog.nl/2017/06/12/2
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] ?️‍?
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[sebsel] Before we found out to unlock the reacji, Zegnat sent me an IndieWeb one https://licit.li/593d14e7cbee6
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Loqi [Martijn van der Ven] ?️‍?
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[sebsel] You actually need to like Facebooks LGBTQ page to be able to send it. very weird UI
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cweiske snarfed, re https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/commit/61ddbea772e49695824e4ca8201165672cd53255 - did you know that developers that use spaces earn more money?
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tantek heh
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cweiske source: https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/
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Loqi https://stackoverflow.blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/mCoc7.jpg
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cweiske Loqi_, that was wrong.
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aaronpk lol wow
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cweiske doesn't help when you're living in a poor area though :/
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aaronpk Loqi includes the name of the post here for indienews submissions so there must be something wrong with Chris Aldrich's markup
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Zegnat I don’t spot any h-entry markup on that URL from chris :/ Somewhere along the way the implied name becomes the entire thing.
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[kevinmarks] Rainbow flag is a fun joined emoji, though not as complicated as English flag
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aaronpk Zegnat: oh this must be the implied name backcompat thing
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aaronpk which I thought was fixed in a new PHP mf2 version so I might need to update indienews
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Zegnat Isn’t his chris’ Known instance? I hope the core Known template didn’t break somewhere along the way
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Zegnat aaronpk, I think chris doesn’t have this update by you yet: https://github.com/idno/Known/commit/fc49d8a34fd8e4de4ecfd8468b1da7e75304e81f
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Zegnat That’s where you add p-name
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@sl007 @klischka @correctiv_org "IndieWebCamp", Thema "Journalismus im IndieWeb" - suche Zelt, biete Orga/Leute/etc http://indieweb.org 2/2 (twitter.com/_/status/877082330845728768)
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@sl007 @klischka @correctiv_org Infos z. B. https://sebastiangreger.net/2016/09/takeaways-indiewebcamp-brighton-2016/ o. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWebCamp o. https://indieweb.org/Events (twitter.com/_/status/877083475395923968)
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aaronpk I just got an email from someone who had previously sent me a spam pingback asking me to remove the link to their site. Think they're trying to clean up their site?
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sknebel aaronpk: probably. apparently that happens, when people think google downranks them for spamming and panic
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cweiske yep. probably a seo agency involved
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sknebel do webmentions override pingbacks on your site? then they can clean it up themselves ;)
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aaronpk Yea the email is from an agency
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aaronpk I should double check I support webmention deletes, but that'd be a hilarious reply if I told them how to delete it themselves
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Loqi +1
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pfefferle good morning
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@schmarty So excited for #IndieWeb Summit this weekend! Two tickets remain. Join us in Portland to build a web for you! https://2017.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/877155975282774017)
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@ShawnMcCool Universal Greeting Time is what separates us from the rest of the animals. https://indieweb.org/Universal_Greeting_Time (twitter.com/_/status/877158621657919489)
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sknebel I was worried for a second that was the actual text from the wiki
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Zegnat Haha
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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[miklb] heads up to anyone doing Jekyll IndieWeb, aarongustafson is reworking his webmention.io plugin ito a gem and sounds like completely refactoring how the data is stored so you can do custom markup for retrieval, including it sounds like, facepiles.
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[miklb] https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-webmention_io/issues/16#issuecomment-309774708
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Loqi [aarongustafson] This is part of the overhaul I am in the process of doing right now. You’ll be able to create your own markup templates and get webmentions in aggregate or in collections of likes, reposts, etc.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Evolving for 12 Years" by Martijn on 2017-06-20 http://microformats.org/2017/06/20/evolving-for-12-years
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petermolnar @miklb why the facepalm? Even though I'm not using Jekyll, I ended up doing something pretty similar
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Zegnat petermolnar: “facepiles”, not “facepalm”, though that is a funny mixup
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petermolnar whoops
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petermolnar lol
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petermolnar sorry
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petermolnar right, that actually makes a lot of sense
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Zegnat Would be a fun April 1st thing: if your website displays a facepile, add a little hand icon in the middle of all of them
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[miklb] heh ?
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petermolnar although I'm still against to hotlink avatars from other websites, I'm happy displaying names only
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petermolnar namepile
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Zegnat several people are hosting copies of the display pictures themselves. Pretty sure aaronpk does.
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[miklb] I’ll be curious to see the final approach in his gem. I was getting close to fork before switching from Jekyll
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Zegnat sebsel rehosts display pictures too
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tantek what is a facepalm?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "facepalm" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@t73fde Microformats: evolving for 12 years #indieweb #swt http://microformats.org/2017/06/20/evolving-for-12-years (twitter.com/_/status/877189797059624960)
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@microformats “Evolving for 12 Years” posted by @martijnvdven http://microformats.org/2017/06/20/evolving-for-12-years #microformats #indieweb #pronouns (twitter.com/_/status/877190368017530880)
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb!
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[miklb] O_/
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[cleverdevil] Day one back from Paris, and I actually slept the whole night.
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[miklb] sleep++
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Loqi sleep has 1 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Heading back west is much easier than traveling east.
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[cleverdevil] At least, for my body ?
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[cleverdevil] FYI, the video of the Q&A with Matt Mullenweg and Om Malik was posted – https://wordpress.tv/2017/06/19/interview-and-qanda-with-matt-mullenweg/
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[cleverdevil] I got in an IndieWeb question. Didn't *love* the response, but had a brief followup from Matt on Twitter.
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[miklb] I recall seeing that.
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benwerd Good morning / afternoon / evening / other time of day, indieweb
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Loqi benwerd: gRegorLove left you a message 2 weeks ago: Is anything happening with Wavelist?
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 week ago: could you please fix https://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-june-14-2017 to have the right date in the start/end times? (off by one) and create a FB POSSE copy for it?
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[cleverdevil] waves
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[cleverdevil] Congrats on the latest Matter class, benwerd.
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[cleverdevil] Looks strong!
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benwerd waves
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benwerd Thank you!
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benwerd Also see signl.fm, which contains indieweb's own Jim Pick
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benwerd And Rewire, which contains indieweb-adjacent activist Harry Halpin
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ben_thatmustbeme hey benwerd
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benwerd howdy
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Salt regretfully I won't be able to make IWS this year, I'll try to dial in for a bit
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gRegorLove Bummer, Salt
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Salt gRegorLove, yeah, alas funeral takes precedence
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gRegorLove Oh, my condolences :(
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[chrisaldrich] Do we still have diversity support $$ for IWS available?
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[chrisaldrich] ^^ directed at aaronpk, tantek, and benwerd primarily
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schmarty follow-up question: do we have a way of donating to a diversity support fund?
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Zegnat Was there ever one set-up for this upcoming IWS?
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gRegorLove You can on https://2017.indieweb.org/, though I presume that's one-time, with your registration.
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove What is opencollective?
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Loqi open collective is a service for collecting donations and transparently tracking how the money is used https://indieweb.org/opencollective
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gRegorLove https://opencollective.com/indieweb is for general donations. Not sure if you can specify it for the sponsorship fund there or not
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gRegorLove I don't see the option there, but seems like that should be the place for it, if we can add that option ^
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snarfed earmarking has a lot of drawbacks. we might want to just encourage donating to the general fund
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sketchess good morning / evening
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[cleverdevil] Question for the group: has there ever been an organization or company that has run a variant of the Homebrew Website Club insternally? Giving people working hours to invest in creating their own website?
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[cleverdevil] *internally
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sketchess welcome
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sketchess welcome snarfed
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snarfed hi!
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sketchess :)
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sketchess hah, I almost forgot about what I discovered yesterday.
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sketchess finishes breakfast first
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sketchess ready
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sketchess Regarding readability of the wiki. Well I found no English phrase for this kind of case. So I have to describe it.
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sketchess "Schlangensätze" : "Schlange" = snake, "Sätze" = sentences
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sketchess meaning a sentence gets too long
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sketchess plus it gets convolute / interlaced
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sketchess plus some insertions
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sketchess I didn't noticed it first. But it makes the wiki harder to read and understand. That's why I got this 'jumpy' feeling.
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Zegnat [cleverdevil], I don’t know about working on your own site. I do know a company that has internal “show and tells” where people share about technologies they ran into either on or outside the job. Now development frameworks, whatever. All aimed at knowledge sharing.
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[cleverdevil] Hmm.
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[cleverdevil] Interesting,
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sketchess I can pick out a an example if you like.
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Zegnat Specific reason you are asking? I can ask about how exactly they set that up if you are interested.
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[cleverdevil] So, I am likely going to be leading up such an initiative at DreamHost, and was curious if it would be wise (or even allowed) to use the Homebrew Website Club name for the internal project.
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sketchess welcome
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Zegnat sketchess, thanks for getting back with extra feedback on the issue. Much appreciated! Specific examples are always nice!
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[cleverdevil] I encourage people to attend HWC meetings locally, and will still do that, but I think that offering them time during their workday to actually work on their site is good, because it enables them to learn and grow without demanding that they take away time from their lives and their families to work on their website.
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sketchess A random picked out example than.
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sketchess This is to deliberately discourage both repetition of arguments (because people forget or don't read long email threads) and long essays, and instead encourage focus on short discussions in chat, and capturing incremental agreements (or even choosing to disagree) on the wiki as a way of capturing current state.
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sketchess I checked the wiki yesterday. Wanted to see, if this is the general case. It is mainly based on snake sentences.
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Zegnat [cleverdevil], if only used internally I don’t see the harm. But if it becomes a thing that gets public exposure the name might muddle any “branding” we try to do as you’d suddenly have the IndieWeb HWC open-for-everyone-spread-the-information and the DreamHost HWC only-for-employees. Not to mention IndieWeb-HWC-at-DreamHost for Portland.
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] Right, maybe I'll call it something else, and then just encourage people to attend their local HWC if they want to in their free time.
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[cleverdevil] And note that we sponsor them in PDX (and would like to in LA, if I can find a way to).
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Zegnat Just me thinking out loud of course. I think someone recently wondered about doing a HWC but calling it differently because HWC is a vague term. Don’t recall the context right now. So maybe it doesn’t matter either *shrug*
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sketchess As I said zegnat, is my pleasure to help. :)
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ben_thatmustbeme sketchess , FYI, the English equivalent is "run-on sentence"
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sketchess Funny. I knew something felt wrong, but couldn't name what.
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sketchess Thank you ben.
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gRegorLove Yeah, that's a bad run-on sentence
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gRegorLove Oops, missed some backscroll
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gRegorLove sketchess: What page is that on?
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sketchess If my memory is correct, there are even longer and more complicated ones.
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sketchess .... wait
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sketchess it's the discuss section
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/discuss#Email
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[cleverdevil] I suppose I'll discuss with some folks at the IWS this weekend.
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sketchess I think that could easily get improved.
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gRegorLove sketchess: How is this? "This is to deliberately discourage both repetition of arguments — because people forget or don't read long email threads — and long essays. Instead it encourages focus on short discussions in chat and capturing incremental agreements (or even disagreements) on the wiki as a way of capturing current state."
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gRegorLove I might rephrase that with the positive ("encourages...") first, then the negative ("discourages...")
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sketchess It would be a start gRegorLove.
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gRegorLove "This is a deliberate decision. We encourage focusing on short discussions in chat and capturing incremental agreements/disagreements on the wiki. This also discourages long essays and repetition of arguments that can take place on email threads."
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gRegorLove That section is updated now
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sketchess I am working with people with disabilities. So I am pretty settled in making things easier to understand. If you like to get advice from me, you are welcome.
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sketchess :)
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sketchess hihihihi
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sketchess that.... is a utterly different read
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sketchess @Regor
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gRegorLove Definitely. We're always interested in making the wiki easier to understand and more accessible. It's never complete. :)
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gRegorLove Hopefully an improved read? :)
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sketchess Ok. So you own a kind of proof-reader now. ;) ..... weekend Regor
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sketchess I am getting not much sleep this week. Means concentration / focus is low.
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sketchess And of course, it is kind of unhelpful to pick random stuff here and there. Jumping like a bunny myself. ;)
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gRegorLove sketchess: What's the next thing you want to implement on your personal site?
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sketchess Corrections should happen in order.
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sketchess What do you mean?
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gRegorLove You mentioned jumping around like a bunny. It's a helpful question to focus on the next thing you'd like to accomplish on your personal site.
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sketchess explain personal site further, please
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gRegorLove What is personal domain?
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Loqi A personal domain is a domain name that you personally own, control, and use to represent yourself on the internet https://indieweb.org/personal-domain
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gRegorLove e.g. my personal site (domain) is https://gregorlove.com
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sketchess Oh boy. So my assumption didn't trick me. Hahahaha
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Loqi ahahaha
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gRegorLove Hm?
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gRegorLove (I need to head out in about 10 minutes for an appointment, but I'll be back later and will catch up on chat logs)
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sketchess There was a chance you didn't talk my webproject.
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sketchess +about
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gRegorLove Ah. No, don't think I read about your project
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sketchess ?
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sketchess but you mean my website, or?
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sketchess Well that is more a project for me. xD
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sketchess is using every spare minute of the day and weekends to work on it
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sketchess Currently, main focus lies on my homepage site.
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sketchess Well, we might find time to speak about advanced color studies and PIA services. ;) But not now.
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sketchess I will catch some more sleep now. Starting to see colored points. Only 3 hours left..... Sigh.
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sketchess And I hope you don't mix two different topics. @Regor
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sketchess my web project and proof-read are unlikly the same task
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sketchess Ok then. I wish everybody a pleasant time and good rest.
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sketchess sneaks out and falls to sleep
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eli_oat Evening!