#indieweb 2017-06-23

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GWG cleverdevil, looking forward to meeting you
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[cleverdevil] Same here, GWG.
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eli_oat evening
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ben_thatmustbeme Evening eli_oat
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eli_oat howdy ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek congrats [chrisaldrich]! sorry to miss you
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[chrisaldrich] thanks tantek, it's bittersweet as I'd FAR rather be in Portland...
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GWG All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia
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aaronpk well this seems relevant: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/21/2-million-prize-decentralize-web-apply-today/
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Loqi [Mozilla] A $2 Million Prize to Decentralize the Web. Apply Today
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aaronpk ah maybe more specific than the scope of indieweb
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aaronpk there's a callout in there for software, so if anyone figures out how to get their indieweb software to run on occasionally-connected hardware that's a potential application
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eli_oat I've been thinking a lot about the synergy between things like beaker browser and indieweb — might be some space there
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eli_oat https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170616150708
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Loqi [eli] Building on my last note, the indieweb is currently an insular-ish community because there is a technical wall that needs to be scaled before you can enter into the community. I think this technical hurdle turns the indieweb into a de facto walled ga...
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[kevinmarks] hm. Would Mozilla support service worker based stuff when chrome is what runs that on phones?
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[kevinmarks] 'cos a PWA that used a content-hashing proxy would solve that challenge
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Confusion about indieweb" by ricmac on 2017-06-23 https://richardmacmanus.com/2017/06/23/confusion-about-indieweb/
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@Johannes_Ernst Packing. Portland, see you in the morning. OsBridge followed by IndieWeb Summit. At 98 degF. (twitter.com/_/status/878084917187325952)
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dougbeal|iOS What is PWA
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Loqi Progressive Web App (PWA) is a web site that a client can progressively enhance into a standalone app that's comparable with a native app https://indieweb.org/PWA
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dougbeal|iOS What is contributing.md
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Loqi CONTRIBUTING.md is a file you can add to your GitHub repos which will show a message when someone opens an issue or files a pull request https://indieweb.org/CONTRIBUTING.md
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GWG Evening.
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dougbeal|iOS Good evening.
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GWG Anything interesting going on?
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[miklb] is plotting what to work on this weekend since I’ve decided to back burner the theme.
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GWG What?
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[miklb] I’m not sure what problem I’m trying to solve. So I’m stepping back and doing some stuff for my site that may be useful to others while I contemplate it more.
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GWG Ok
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GWG I want to do some location work, unless the panels make me want to try something else
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dougbeal|iOS Did you see the self hosted authentication?
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[miklb] simply put, I can’t put a theme in the WP repo that is really ready out of the box for the other IW plugins without a lot of cruft in the code (that I’ve thought of). So do I want to have a theme that can be manually installed that is ready out of the box, or I need to refocus on what kind of IW theme I’m making for the repo.
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[miklb] GWG location is definitely on my list. I’d like to work on reactji too.
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sknebel good morning
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GWG miklb, I want to make a bunch of refinements to the Simple Location plugin plus new features
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Loqi good morning
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GWG Greetings
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dougbeal|iOS Good evening, sknebel
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-23.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[miklb] I’ll be happy getting option to make map public by default. I’ll also be contributing more options to customize Mapbox
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[miklb] O_/ @sknebel
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dougbeal|iOS What is facepile
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Loqi A Facepile is a way of showing interactions for a page/site by using profile pictures https://indieweb.org/facepile
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dougbeal|iOS What is reactji
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reactji" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[miklb] maybe it’s reacji
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[miklb] what is reacji
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Loqi reacji is an emoji reaction, the use of a single emoji character in response to a post, introduced as a feature by Slack[1] https://indieweb.org/reacji
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[miklb] ah.
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dougbeal|iOS Maybe with a closed silo like Facebook, divorcing the reaction from the user would make sense. Or you have to be logged in?
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[miklb] divorcing how?
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tantek reactji is reacji
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Loqi ok
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@murderofcrows How do you close out a day of #indieweb? A night of indie music! https://twitter.com/macgenie/status/878012122319339521 (twitter.com/_/status/878094876260290560)
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dougbeal|iOS [miklb]: not display their name or icon
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[miklb] I haven’t decided on a UI pattern for my site yet, probably like I do my facepiles now, so wouldn’t be the case. But, if I were to decouple author from reaction, then it could limit any privacy concerns. I need to look into how that works with brid.gy
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tantek ricmac - every year, month, week is the time to make the indieweb easier for users
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@aaronpk @macgenie Awesome! I've added that to the schedule for Saturday evening activities! https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Saturday (twitter.com/_/status/878096046189981696)
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ricmac @tantek I hear you, but you must admit it takes a bit of work to implement the current indieweb tech. I mean I know there are great wordpress plugins etc, but it's still a curve.
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tantek ricmac - it takes *a lot* of work, much more than "a bit", with perhaps the exception of Known, which you can get working with "a bit" of work
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tantek and yes, I would say the WordPress setup experience is still very much for developers
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kraftbj ^ was my takeaway setting it up. *I* could set it up easily enough, but wouldn't expect anyone else to be able to.
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Loqi kraftbj: pfefferle left you a message 20 hours, 2 minutes ago: good to have you on board, I am curious to see IndieWeb support in WordPress.com!
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Loqi kraftbj: pfefferle left you a message 20 hours ago: let me know if we can join forces on the pubsubhubbub implementation: https://github.com/pubsubhubbub/wordpress-pubsubhubbub
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tantek it has improved considerably over the years (less work for developers), but it still requires you being a developer (anything commandline)
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[miklb] what commandline do you need to use to setup a WP IW site?
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tantek miklb last time we had this conversation, there were certain plugins that only worked via scp/ftp from github
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[miklb] that has nothing to do with the command line though
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tantek the canonical example was even just to post an indie RSVP, to use WordPress, you had to be a developer
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tantek scp / ftp are command line commands
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tantek it has exactly to do with command line
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tantek if a solution requires using a terminal, it's a dev solution, not a user solution
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kraftbj pfefferle: yeah! I think it makes a lot of sense to work together on it. I haven't dug in enough to grok everything about our implemenation and decisions years back, but agreed.
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[miklb] c’mon man. There have been GUI S/FTP clients for years that people use all day without ever having been at the command line.
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tantek not to a server
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sknebel wtf?
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[miklb] yes, to a server
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tantek since you have to get it from github server -> your wordpress server
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[miklb] there’s a download link on GH. download a zip, sftp a file to the server.
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aaronpk you can absolutely SFTP stuff from github to a server without touching the command line. However I would still say that is not a user-friendly solution.
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[miklb] file/plugin folder
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kraftbj you don't have to sftp, WP can upload natively in the UI
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kraftbj but I agree that not having something needed in the w.org repo is rough
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sknebel and if "just be able to post an indie RSVP" is the defining what an indiesite is, well, then quite a few of us don't have one
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[miklb] and that bookmarklet is being added to wp.org plugin repo
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tantek sknebel - it's just one example
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tantek one that is very topical as it was what people *could* do to RSVP for IndieWeb Summit
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tantek point was that the WordPress setup required non-trivial plugin installation from github
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[miklb] sknebel, agreed. I see “seasoned” IW people still get RSVP wrong. It’s far from writing a note and using brid.gy to POSSE/backfeed
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[kevinmarks] h0d3r notwithstanding, ftp is not the ideal model any more
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tantek nice to see Post Kinds is at least on WP org plugin dir
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tantek [miklb] - these instructions are still fairly developer-level: https://indieweb.org/RSVP#How_to_RSVP_with_WordPress
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tantek "Use the "RSVP" javascript bookmarklet in the IndieWeb PressThis bookmarklet" links to a github repo - which somehow you have to figure out how to get a javascript bookmarklet from - super non-obvious
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tantek (even for a dev!)
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sknebel that probably shouldn'T be the first option
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tantek sknebel: I'd expect the WordPress experts here to make that call
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[miklb] I’m not saying WP can’t be improved. I sincerely want to help make it easier, but to say that you need to use the command line in order to use WordPress for IndieWeb is disingenuous
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tantek to put the *easiest* option first
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[miklb] what is manual until it hurts
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Loqi manual until it hurts is an indieweb principle of resisting automation until you have done it enough times to really understand it, and know that it is worth doing https://indieweb.org/manual_until_it_hurts
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tantek and with three options like that, there's no explanation which to choose and why
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tantek manual until it hurts is fine for selfdogfooding and developers. non-developer users have a much lower tolerance for "until it hurts"
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tantek [miklb] I still don't know how many plugins a new WordPress user should install
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[miklb] tantek there is the IW plugin, it recommends all of the WordPress plugins in the WP repo that are relative and has it’s own one click install. GWG just recently updated that to have a better UI. We are working on moving other plugins to that repo that would benefit WP users.
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tantek GWG++ that is great t hear
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Loqi gwg has 209 karma in this channel (236 overall)
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kraftbj I'm biased coming from Jetpack-land. Personally, it would have been nice if that was all just one plugin. I setup webmentions + brid.gy and had 1000+ tweets/FB mentions imported in....
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kraftbj before I knew about the semantic links plugin
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kraftbj so they all looked pretty terrible.
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tantek having a non-dev user be able to setup (or upgrade) a WordPress setup to support various IndieWeb building blocks would be a tremendous step forward this weekend
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kraftbj after all that, I ended up installing the IW plugin and realized that starting with the webmentions plugin was a bad idea.
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[miklb] tantek I get your point about RSVP for IWS, but for most people interested in WP & IndieWeb I doubt that is high priority.
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tantek GWG ^^^ "Personally, it would have been nice if that was all just one plugin."
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[miklb] But that’s not to say people aren’t working to make it easier.
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[miklb] kraftbj there has been a lot of discussion about one plugin to rule them all™ vs more discrete plugins.
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[miklb] The other part of that equation which has been discussed is that these plugins started out and continue to be individually developed for personal itches and not community developed.
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kraftbj [miklb]: The philosophy behind Jetpack's one plugin decision is similar. "Install this to get a lot of stuff that most sites could find useful" I think IW is similar. Some more of this needs to be in Core... or at least the base functionality.. and then a single plugin to make an experience that "makes sense" to the average site owner
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[miklb] I do not think you’d find disagreement with that statement.
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kraftbj yeah, Jetpack started as, basically, 5 plugins rolled into one. Until recently, they still included the WP plugin header info in the individual plugins' base php file.
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[miklb] I remember
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kraftbj With the GPL (granted I'm new here and I don't know community politics), they can still be separately developed... just the "one plugin" picks up the updates, have a good way to not double-activate something, and pushes it out.
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[miklb] that has definitely been discussed.
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[miklb] I’m not sure how that would be received by the WP.org plugin repo rules committee however.
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kraftbj I'm happy to ask Mika for a clarification. I don't see an immediate reason why that wouldn't fly.
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[miklb] I know I can’t “require” a plugin for a theme for instance.
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tantek wheels up. ETA PDX 25:06
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kraftbj Jetpack had a guy ship "Slimpack" for years ... all of Jetpack minus the stuff what had to have a WP.com connection.
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kraftbj Only shut down b/c it didn't keep up with our security updates.
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[miklb] that was in the wp.org plugin repo?
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kraftbj the theme repo is much stricter IMO
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kraftbj yup
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[miklb] hmm.
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kraftbj as long as there isn't a trademark issue or intentional confusion... and if the contributing plugin devs are on board... I *think* it's fine, but I can get a clarification if it helps anything.
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kraftbj (even if they're not on board, I think it's fine, but possibly could be just bad taste)
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[miklb] Certainly worthy of discussion with pfefferle and GWG. Based on previous discussions, I don’t see any concerns with bundling them into the IW plugin like that vs having to click to install.
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kraftbj if there are "bonus" features or things that are more edge case/niche, the click-to-install is still nice to have.
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GWG The Indieweb plugin originally was Jetpack
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GWG It had webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks
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GWG It was always out of date
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[miklb] was that due to lack of people to help keep it up-to-date?
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GWG Partially. Different time
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[miklb] ah.
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GWG I think we are moving toward maturity on some of these plugins
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GWG But we need more eyes
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GWG My fixes for Semantic Linkbacks break a test, and I can't figure out why, so a new stable version can't be released
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GWG I could use help finding the issue, because I am eager to have those improvements.
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kraftbj this? https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/pull/91
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Loqi [dshanske] #91 Fix All But One Tests
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GWG kraftbj, yes
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GWG I am missing something
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GWG The changes add a lot of data
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[miklb] I think because I date back to a time before WordPress had plugin/theme installation via the admin, I don’t think it a big deal to have to manually install something. Used to walk uphill in the snow and all of that.
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[chrisaldrich] My phone notifications are off the hook. Evening IndiePressers...
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GWG Evening
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[chrisaldrich] miklb sorry to hear about your being sidetracked on the theme work.
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[chrisaldrich] I might suggest that even something not specifically for the .org repo is fine as I think a lot of people have been finding indieweb friendly themes through the wiki rather than .org (though it makes it easier to install for some.)
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GWG I still think some plugins can merge, but not all
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[miklb] if the plugin repo allows for a master plugin ala Jetpack, I don’t see why they would need to be merged necessarily. Just need some committed volunteers to keep up with updates.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Yes: Heading to the IndieWeb summit in Portland this weekend. See you guys there!" by Andrew Jacobs on 2017-06-22 http://www.funwhilelost.com/2017/yes-heading-to-the-indieweb-summit-in-portland-this-weekend
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[miklb] I did not know that you could upload a plugin from the admin however. That also changes some things.
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[miklb] “click this link, download the file to your desktop, navigate to this page in your admin, click upload theme. Choose the theme you just downloaded to your desktop”.
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dougbeal|iOS Does WP keep install logs? I want to see what I had to manually install. I think only Press This
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[miklb] I’m not aware of one.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm going to time myself and see how long it takes me to get the basics of a WP indieweb capable site up.
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[chrisaldrich] (And do it without any command line...)
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[miklb] ?
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[chrisaldrich] ready, set, go!
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kraftbj [miklb]: While it does allow installs via the UI, updating a plugin not in the repo *does* require FTP/SFTP/etc access
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kraftbj less hard to setup, but still hard to maintain
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[chrisaldrich] WP downloading
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[miklb] kraftbj I think there are some frameworks to allow updating from GH
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kraftbj yup, there are.
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kraftbj i would step back and ask why it isn't in the repo to start though
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GWG And Press This and UF2 are going into the .org repo
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GWG I just did a refresh on uf2 so that could happen
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[chrisaldrich] domain registering, unpacking wp, setting up mysql
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GWG So, what does that leave on GitHub?
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[miklb] none of the plugins that I’m aware of.
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GWG Nothing ready for primetime
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[miklb] webmentions for comments, but that’s a WIP for the webmention plugin
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[miklb] kraftbj so you can upload a theme, but you can upload a new version and it overwrite the old one?
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GWG miklb, there are issues there.
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[miklb] such as?
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[miklb] just seems like a half-baked feature if you can’t update a plugin or theme via the admin, only install. Manually install a plugin and not be able to update to fix security issue unless now you can figure out sftp.
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[miklb] but that’s not really a IW subject.
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kraftbj right, WP will see the destination directory there and abort
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GWG Well, I tried to solve by adding comment permalinks and a comment template. But if WordPress ever adds comment permalinks, for which there is a ticket, then it could conflict
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kraftbj manually uploading plugins/themes is overall discouraged though, so i don't see effort being put into that anytime soon
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[miklb] shakes head
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kraftbj comment permalinks makes sense for things like this, but not sure how to display it... would makes sense to go to the parent item's permalink page plus anchor, but if there are paged comments, it could get fun
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kraftbj I think the way to "update" before was to delete the plugin, then install the new version. but this predates when I was in WP. The repo and the built-in updater were in place when i got started
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GWG kraftbj, in my version, a comment permalink is the comment with context
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GWG So like the reply context.
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[chrisaldrich] manually uploading wp files via filezilla is the most developer-y thing I'm doing and I'm doing it as manually as possible....
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GWG Maybe I should do something with the code
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, your version was pretty close to what Medium.com does with comments right?
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GWG chrisaldrich, someone showed me a link to theirs... I thought it worked, so yes
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GWG I thought that would be something people would appreciate
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[miklb] once webmentions for comments get ironed out, I want to hook up brid.gy to the comment reply if the source was Twitter and be able to reply on my site and POSSE it to Twitter.
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[miklb] reply on my site via the comment form or admin reply, not as a new note/reply
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GWG miklb, webactions.
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[miklb] what are webactions
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indieweb.org/webactions
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[miklb] not exactly sure how that works for my scenario
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[chrisaldrich] miklb That's one of the things I'd love to do in WP. I occasionally do it with Known, but have do do the "threading" manually and it's annoying to keep the data/conversation continuity.
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GWG I wrote some relevant code when experimenting with it
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GWG I have some comment threading ideas I want to try
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[chrisaldrich] Either that or full salmention....
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GWG chrisaldrich, that is harder
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GWG But we're moving closer
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[chrisaldrich] There are only a few with salmention yet anyway right?
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[miklb] chrisaldrich are you uploading WP on dial up? ?
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GWG Yes
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[chrisaldrich] I am running a few heavy background processes, so it seems like dialup. I'm trying to be as manual as possible without any CLI-esque pieces.
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[chrisaldrich] This is probably the longest part of the whole process... ?
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kraftbj GWG: That's an annoying bug lol. I updated my last comment, the author is an empty string.
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GWG kraftbj, which bug?
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[miklb] chrisaldrich which can be eliminated with a host that has one-click install of WP. For a beginner
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kraftbj 91
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GWG It shouldn't be.
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GWG You are running the GitHub version?
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kraftbj Yeah, checked out master, running phpunit
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kraftbj I modified the test to dump the raw output into a file to inspect manually
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GWG kraftbj, I am missing something there
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GWG kraftbj, updating is not something we tested. There is an issue there.
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[miklb] this is probably one of those “should this be in -dev or should WP have its own channel” examples.
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kraftbj For the bug convo? Happy to take it elsewhere. Didn't know about -dev.
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GWG #indieweb-dev
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[miklb] kraftbj not specifically, it’s been something that’s been discussed a lot. Will be sorted out this weekend I believe.
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dougbeal|iOS What is salmention
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Loqi Salmentions are a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/salmention
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dougbeal|iOS What are salmon mentions
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "salmon mentions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dougbeal|iOS What is the sal in salmentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sal in salmentions" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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[chrisaldrich] Salmon is a fish that swims upstream, thus salmon+webmention=salmention
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[chrisaldrich] think of your replies all swimming upstream to attach themselves to earlier parts of the conversations which potentially live on multiple sites that were parts of the earlier conversation.
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kraftbj Bed for me. Catch y'all soon.
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[miklb] good night
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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[chrisaldrich] goodnight kraftbj.... glad you're here with us
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[chrisaldrich] oops, noticed that my upload queue disconnected... reconnected and uploading again.
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[chrisaldrich] connecting database and basic config
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[chrisaldrich] running install
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[chrisaldrich] logging in for first time
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[chrisaldrich] installing: webmention, micropub, semantic linkbacks, syndication links
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[chrisaldrich] installing indieauth (all by WP UI)
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[chrisaldrich] installing independent publisher theme
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[chrisaldrich] small customizations to theme
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[miklb] what needs to be customized chrisaldrich ? Customized how?
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[chrisaldrich] just some small things within the customizer, photos, headers, simple options
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[miklb] Gotcha
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[chrisaldrich] adding rel-me in menus
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GWG chrisaldrich, not using the indieweb plugin?
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[chrisaldrich] yes, definitely, but want social icons in sidebar for fun...
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[chrisaldrich] doublechecking general settings, permalinks, etc.
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[chrisaldrich] saving indieweb 'options'
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[chrisaldrich] syndication links options
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[chrisaldrich] post kinds options
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GWG I fixed the default bug on those
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[chrisaldrich] and shazam I'm mostly done.
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[chrisaldrich] I need my friend's social accounts to link up jetpack for simple syndication and to set up brid.gy accounts, but otherwise, we're ready to go.
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[chrisaldrich] adding press this indieweb bookmarklets for fun
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[chrisaldrich] (manually through admin UI from downloaded github repo)
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[chrisaldrich] adding websub as well
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[chrisaldrich] So maybe an hour all in if you subtract out my uploading issues and I didn't touch the command line at all.
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[chrisaldrich] even adding another 30 minutes to configure jetpack, gravatar, and brid.gy and it's still at an hour and a half to an hour and 45 doing everything as manually as one could.
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GWG We are now beginning our descent into Indiewebland
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dougbeal|iOS [chrisaldrich]: ++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 29 karma in this channel (37 overall)
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gRegorLove Hello from Portland!
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gRegorLove Bummer you can't make it [chrisaldrich], but congrats on the house.
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GWG Gregorlove, hello 5000 feet above it
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dougbeal|iOS ? gRegorLove
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gRegorLove Come down safely, GWG
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GWG Descending through 1400 feet
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sebsel morning IndieWeb :)
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sebsel checks aaronparecki.com for Portland time
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sebsel We come to a point that it's physically impossible to attend IWS for me, because planes don't go faster
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sebsel Playing around with Selfauth now
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cweiske what is selfauth?
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Loqi cweiske: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 59 minutes ago: re: "I crept up here in 2012" - really glad you stuck around despite any differences of opinion (or perhaps especially!) and helped grow the diverse set of viewpoints, approaches, implementations.
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in php which is easy for anyone to get runing https://github.com/inklings-io/selfauth https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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sebsel ben_thatmustbeme Seems like you committed some test-values https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/commit/b9e4008fc490c08f3739a29370e08e955d41322d#diff-9e5e2527d69c009a81b8ecd730f3957e
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petermolnar morning indieweb
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cweiske hiho
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Zegnat Good morning all
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Zegnat plays catch-up with the backlog
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sebsel :( opcache gives troubles with Selfauth
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sebsel I mean, once it's running, it's running
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sebsel but since the tokens are inside the php-file, it's cached
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cweiske .. depends on your opcache settings. opcache can check the file timestamps
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cweiske if you disable that for performance reasons it's your fault
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sebsel yeah, shared host
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sebsel But that's exactly what we try to test here
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Zegnat Wait. What is being cached that shouldn’t be cached?
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petermolnar sebsel do you have memcached or anything similar there?
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petermolnar you could use that instead
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cweiske petermolnar, it's the php opcode cache
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sebsel no wait, I'm not asking for my own site
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petermolnar I know, but to store crendentials one could use memcached
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sebsel I'm testing Selfauth on a shared host
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petermolnar I'm aware of opcache pitfalls too well
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sebsel and this one seems to have opcache
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cweiske but writing a config file once is much less prone to data loss than a memcached entry
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cweiske opcache is in php core since 5.5
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petermolnar I don't get it; if you write it once, what's the problem?
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sebsel Selfauth ships with a config.php with empty strings.
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sebsel Maybe that should go then.
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cweiske git mv config.php config.php.dist
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petermolnar it will eventually time out and refresh
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sebsel yeah it did now
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petermolnar also what cweiske said
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cweiske and a check in the code to not load it if it does not exist :)
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jonnybarnes hello everyone
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Zegnat Helli jonnybarnes
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jonnybarnes its the indieweb summit tomorrow, can people particiapte remotely?
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Zegnat Yes, definitely!
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Zegnat jonnybarnes: https://indieweb.org/2017#Remote_Participation
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jonnybarnes I may just stick to IRC for my “participation”
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Zegnat That should be fine. I’ll definitely be here.
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Zegnat If the live stream works well for me, and people here aren’t on it, I might jot down stuff that is happening right into this channel.
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sebsel added some docs to Selfauth https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/pull/8
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Loqi [sebsel] #8 Added a setup guide
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sebsel Also, there are these weird ()'s, but I don't know if it's worth sending a PR for it. https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/blob/master/setup.php#L55
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cweiske this is actually a bug
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cweiske $foo() uses $foo's value as function name and calls that function
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cweiske false() will break
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cweiske or true()
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sebsel well it was added in the same commit where ben_thatmustbeme added values to the config.php, so I guess it was late ;) https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/commit/b9e4008fc490c08f3739a29370e08e955d41322d
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cweiske "file writing is not working for me" which is why false() was never executed :)
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cweiske and thus he did not see the error
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sebsel Ah!
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Zegnat looking at your PR now sebsel
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Zegnat Can’t really do any fixes myself atm. Am getting ready to watch people dance around a maypole.
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sebsel I sent a PR, while I was at it.
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sebsel now I need to get some things done for other people too ;)
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Zegnat sebsel, can you take a sec and just edit your PRs to state you agree with CONTRIBUTING.md re licensing?
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Zegnat I’ll hit merge on the second PR if you do
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sebsel ok!
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sebsel meh, wait.
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sebsel Zegnat like that?
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Zegnat sebsel looks good to me now
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Zegnat And back to 0 open PRs.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "http://altplatform.org/2017/06/20/building-a-blogroll-in-2017/" by Peter Molnar on 2017-06-22 https://petermolnar.net/re-building-a-blogroll-in-2017/
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sebsel ?
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Zegnat Oof, weird post title, petermolnar ^^^
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Zegnat Now off to do more preparations. I should be back in time for Leaders, but otherwise will be spotty to get hold off.
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Zegnat Have a good day all~
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petermolnar it's a reply
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petermolnar I probably need to add RE: to the title
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petermolnar to make it more obvious
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Zegnat Can you have a textual value on the SVG that adds RE: to the text version of the title?
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petermolnar I don't know
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ben_thatmustbeme sebsel ++ thanks for fixing that
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ben_thatmustbeme sebsel++
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Loqi sebsel has 19 karma in this channel (24 overall)
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ben_thatmustbeme There we go
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ben_thatmustbeme And yeah, it was late. I was trying to hack it in quickly
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tantek good early morning #Indieweb
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petermolnar wow, that is indeed early
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah, tantek, you are back PDT aren't you?
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tantek Yes. I just came from EDT via two flights so it's been a series of naps.
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cweiske https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/21/2-million-prize-decentralize-web-apply-today/
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Loqi [Mozilla] A $2 Million Prize to Decentralize the Web. Apply Today
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cweiske oh. I thought it's about decentralization of the web, which it isn't
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tantek cweiske, indeed there are many different interpretations of "decentralize" and "web"
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tantek catches up on the logs
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Zegnat It also isn’t available outside of the us cweiske, if you were thinking of applying.
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tantek what is opcache?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "opcache" yet. Would you like to create it?
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cweiske no, I thought it'd be interesting for the people here
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tantek what is Selfauth
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in php which is easy for anyone to get runing https://github.com/inklings-io/selfauth https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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cweiske opcache is http://php.net/manual/en/intro.opcache.php
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is memcached
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "memcached" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek lots of dev talk this morning in #indieweb :)
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tantek goes to read #indieweb-dev logs
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sebsel oops
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sebsel I started that
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calumryan Submitted Introducing IndieWeb session proposal for Mozfest London, fingers cross it’s accepted ??
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tantek calumryan++
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Loqi calumryan has 6 karma
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Zegnat calumryan++
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Loqi calumryan has 7 karma
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Zegnat wonders if any Swedish tech events is open for submissions
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Zegnat voxpelli, Jeena, any ideas?
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voxpelli Zegnat: haven't paid attention to any such call for submissions
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tantek has caught up on logs for the past day
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Zegnat If you ever see any let me know voxpelli. I would be interested to do IndieWeb or microformats introduction talks.
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tantek !tell [chrisaldrich] definitely write something! would appreciate if you could mention *something* you found that was new and/or particularly useful to you about / with microformats in the past year in particular
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek oops I meant to leave that in #microformats oh well
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Loqi [superfeedr] "RicMac, part II" on 2017-06-23 http://scripting.com/2017/06/23.html#a070643
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sebsel lol, Snap Map
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sebsel Snapchat is not really web and thus not indieweb relevant, right?
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sebsel they added a feature where you can see a map of all your friends
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sebsel it shows a heatmap of users too
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tantek sebsel - right, I don't know anything web about snapchat
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tantek is there even a URL scheme to launch snapchat to message another user? e.g. like sms:
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sebsel I believe I saw that
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sebsel Jesse (from HWC NL, http://jesselisser.nl/) has a Snapchat tile
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Loqi Jesse Lisser
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sebsel the whole stories thing (also in all the Facebook apps now) is not really web either, but still very popular and really a social media thing.
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sebsel but maybe Indieweb !== social media
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tantek sebsel - indeed, it seems like any app / UX where there is asymmetric follow, and you publish to your followers (rather than just message people), and you read from / watch those you follow, is called social media. no need for persistence, or even URLs to content or people
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tantek perhaps they also require the ability to @-mention people and get notified of mentions
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sebsel well, I have even heard Whatsapp being called social media
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Zegnat I think WhatsApp is labelled social media by Swedish phone provider Telia. As part of their free data for social media.
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Zegnat Also not that WhatsApp also had stories ?
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tantek perhaps they treat your address book as followings
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aaronpk Good morning!
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aaronpk Hope tantek is getting a little more sleep
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Loqi morning!
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voxpelli is reading up on the latest This Week in IndieWeb newsletters
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[colinwalker] o/ aaronpk
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@scottjenson Heading up to IndieWeb Summit 2017 in Portland this afternoon! So looking forward to it https://2017.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/878250708192993280)
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[chrisaldrich] Bestest of mornings! (It feels like an international Indieweb holiday doesn't it?!)
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GWG Happy Indieweb day
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Good morning Portland! Time to get #IndieWeb Summit weekend started! https://indieweb.org/2017" on 2017-06-23 http://tantek.com/2017/174/t1/good-indieweb-summit-weekend
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@t Good morning Portland! Time to get #IndieWeb Summit weekend started! https://indieweb.org/2017 (ttk.me t4p01) (twitter.com/_/status/878266368327532544)
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sketchess good morning / evening
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Zegnat Hi sketchess
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Zegnat returns from summer solstice celebrations
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sketchess smilies
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sketchess happy to see you zegnat
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sketchess I invested some time and now, I do understand what indieweb is. what it's motivation is. How it has formed and came to be in today.
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Zegnat Good to hear!
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sketchess that helped me alot: https://www.wired.com/2013/08/indie-web/
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sketchess Good writing habits.
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sketchess It started to answer questions. Thihihihi.
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sketchess :)
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Zegnat That’s both good and bad, haha. Rather indieweb.org describes what indieweb is.
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat On the other hand, I am also working on a blog post about what *I* think the IndieWeb is.
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voxpelli Yeah, there's hopefully as many such descriptions and there are members of the community :)
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voxpelli s/and/as/
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sketchess I never take one piece and say that it is.
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Zegnat voxpelli, do you have a blogpost about what the indieweb means?
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sketchess It is a puzzle.
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sketchess But the background informations were pretty helpful. Assuming they are facts.
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Kongaloosh hey, aaronpk, I'm getting back into using micropub services and am looking at OYG again. I see a button asking me to upgrade to arrays rather than comma-separated lists. Clicking the button, however, doesn't do anything.
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sketchess I read also others. Most I read are hard to understand.
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voxpelli Zegnat: this is probably my closest one, but it's in Swedish: https://voxpelli.com/2015/09/oberoende-sociala-webben-2015/
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Loqi [Pelle Wessman] Den oberoende sociala webben 2015
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Zegnat To be fair, having posts like that in different languages is probably A Good Thing™
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Zegnat I think that post hits a lot of important principles
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voxpelli Zegnat: yeah, it got cited by one of the newspapers here, so that was good :)
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sketchess same post?
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voxpelli sketchess: yeah, the core plurality principle of the IndieWeb community makes it somewhat hard to grasp what it is
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Zegnat embrace the plurality
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voxpelli it's easy to know what Twitter is, but in IndieWeb one can only identify what is common and what is less common within the community
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sketchess But their are things that match each other or?
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voxpelli WebMentions, MicroPub, h-entries etc are all common while some other stuff like Salmentions, private webmentions
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voxpelli are less common
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sketchess And new ways are invented?!
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Zegnat sketchess: sometimes several people invent different things, at the same time.
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Zegnat Sometimes those things end up being the same (e.g. extension to h-event), sometimes they are different
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voxpelli sketchess: exactly, as people prove the concepts of their own less common ways, others will follow and adopt the same patterns
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Zegnat Good evening jkphl!
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sketchess welcome
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jkphl hello indieweb (and hello portland)!
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Loqi jkphl: tantek left you a message on 2017-03-17 at 6:05pm UTC: do you know anything about Hetzner Online or this IP address in particular? https://w3bin.com/ip_info/148.251.41.232
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Loqi jkphl: tantek left you a message on 2017-05-12 at 11:10pm UTC: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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sebsel wow
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sebsel waves at jkphl
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sketchess So it is like the ozean.
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Zegnat IndieWeb EU is slowly gaining in numbers here in the channel :D
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Kongaloosh actually
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Kongaloosh on the topic of h-entries
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aaronpk Kongaloosh: hm that's odd, I'll check it out
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Kongaloosh aaronpk: ta! much appreciated.
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Kongaloosh I figure I'm just lagging behind or something
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Zegnat Kongaloosh, please let it be an easy question, please let it be an easy question, please ... ;)
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Kongaloosh I stopped using micropub for a while
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: here we go
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: why do we use micro-formats and such instead of typical html5 stuff
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sketchess I do not know how much 'indieweb' I would probably come to be.
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sketchess XD
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Zegnat Most of the time typical HTML5 only describes type, not content. Take the time element, it is great for marking up time. But how do I know how that time relates to the page? Is it an event date? Publishing date? That information is added by microformats.
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Kongaloosh I guess
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Kongaloosh other thing: how do people feel about using activity streams and the like?
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voxpelli sketchess: we all do it one small step at a time, very few of us are fully feature complete :) E.g. receiving WebMentions are easy
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Zegnat what is activity stream?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "activity stream" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Wait... was don’t have that page?
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Zegnat what is activity streams?
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Loqi ActivityStreams (AS) is a standardization effort to define common types of objects and actions (verbs) taken on various social media sites https://indieweb.org/activity_streams
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Kongaloosh there we go
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Kongaloosh :D
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Zegnat activity stream is /activity_streams
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk Tantek is determined to get donuts before we head to Mozilla so we are going to be a few minutes late to the room
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sketchess Thank you voxpelli.
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Kongaloosh sketchess: are youy thinking about jumping in and starting stuff?
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: we don't do activitystreams because we use ordinary html5 ;)
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Zegnat That page has some pros and cons on AS Kongaloosh. I don’t think many of us are currently implementing it.
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voxpelli Oh dear, just realized my WebMentions endpoint is out of accounts!
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Zegnat Though I was looking at it again for my activity feed.
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sknebel voxpelli sketchess: and also, "feature complete" totally depends on the personal goals. No need to have "features" you never use on your site
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sketchess is on a path of asking and understanding
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voxpelli sketchess: I'll open some more accounts here very soon if you want to try it: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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sketchess very true sknebel
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Kongaloosh what about linked data notifications
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Kongaloosh I played around with that
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Kongaloosh and really liked it
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voxpelli sknebel: totally! dog folding is so key :)
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sknebel the poor dogs ;)
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Zegnat I am not sure what linked data notifications is..?
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: this is getting into very non easy question territory ;)
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Kongaloosh AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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sknebel Zegnat: it's webmention for JSON-LD based stuff as far as I understand
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sketchess *giggle*
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Kongaloosh yah!
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voxpelli The Social WG does specs for both indieweb and those other things you mention
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Zegnat Aah, a lot of JSON-LD is skipped in exchange for mf2 because of the way JSON-LD creates these invisible data islands within your HTML.
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Zegnat Personally never looked into JSON-LD much at all. So others would be better to answer that question.
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voxpelli There are some fundamental philosophical differences between LD-crowd and the indieweb crowd – and some big similarities
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Kongaloosh what do you mean by data islands?
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Kongaloosh I would really like to hear more about that, voxpelli
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sketchess And to answer you question further Kongaloosh. I am in the middle of invention. So there is not much else I think about.
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sketchess +r
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Zegnat Isn’t JSON-LD the one that adds a SCRIPT element with a JSON blob into your HTML? That’s what I meant. You pull out data that may or may not be in the HTML already and put it in its own little place. Possibly even copying the data
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Kongaloosh sketchess: oh?
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voxpelli what are principles?
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Loqi The IndieWeb Community is largely based on principles (AKA tenets) such as own your data, scratch your own itches, build tools for yourself, selfdogfood, document your stuff, open source your stuff, UX design is more important than protocols, visible data for humans first and machines second, platform agnostic platforms, plurality over monoculture, longevity, and remember to have fun! https://indieweb.org/principles
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Zegnat That is not to say everyone is against LinkedData! jkphl for one has added it to his meta data parser at http://micrometa.jkphl.is/ :D
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Kongaloosh mmmm
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sketchess voxpelli.... what are you opening? o.o
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: see the second principle for example
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Kongaloosh yeah
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voxpelli sketchess: I have a limited amount of accounts on that service and unfortunately they have all been taken, so I will raise the limit
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Kongaloosh but I've found there's feelings that a lot of the community has which are strong about these decisions
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sketchess regarding webmentions, right? Kongaloosh
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sketchess had a quick look
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Kongaloosh sketchess: all sorts of things
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sketchess aha
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sketchess and why oh?
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sketchess did I miss re-read XD?
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sketchess thihihihi
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Zegnat Kongaloosh, that also stems from the close proximity between microformats and the indieweb founders. But selfdogfooding really trumps all arguments. If you implement JSON-LD (both consuming and publishing) and others do too, how is that not IndieWeb?
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neilpdx hi
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sknebel hi neilpdx
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sketchess welcome
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voxpelli Zegnat: because it's machines first, humans second and thus violates the core principles ;) So it would be a somewhat controversial to make
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Zegnat Kongaloosh: a criticism I have seen a lot is that people who work on LD stuff and specs do not actually have them on their personal websites. Not sure if that is still true.
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neilpdx thanks @sketchess
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neilpdx shakes sknebel's hand
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Zegnat voxpelli, not really, you might have DRY violations but you don’t actually have to *hide* the data from users at all.
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: I dunno
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sketchess I can have a look back than.
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Kongaloosh rhiaro certainly has it on her site
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voxpelli Zegnat: well, if you pick a format that has no tools, then you're not building for the tools that people have but expect them to change tools
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Zegnat And nobody is going to exclude rhiaro from IndieWeb! Haha
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Kongaloosh because when I was asking people to ping my inbox I got stuff from her and was able to send stuff to her
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voxpelli Zegnat: so rather than adapting to existing tech you want people to adapt their tech to your code
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sketchess nope it was you Kongaloosh XD
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Kongaloosh sketchess: me?
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Kongaloosh what did I do?
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Zegnat Also: “rhiaro style” is a thing now, apparently (earlier today from the chat channel :p)
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: wat
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sketchess asking, getting a answer and saying 'oh'
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sketchess hahahahaha
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@schmarty Blue Star Donuts knows that silos are gonna silo. #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/878283510108258308/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878283510108258308)
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: there are certainly people within the indieweb that uses or have used activitystreams, but it still a less used, more controversial choice within the community :)
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Kongaloosh ahahah
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Loqi Kongaloosh: lol
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Zegnat That was 100% an aside, Kongaloosh. I am working on an activity stream thing to track where I do things, so people of course pointed at rhiaro.co.uk
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aaronpk Donuts obtained, on the way to mozpdx
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sketchess so tell me, why 'oh'
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Zegnat DONUTS!
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sketchess :D
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sketchess no let me re-phrase that, why 'oh?'
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Zegnat voxpelli, are there really fewer tools available for LD than mf2? E.g. jkphl’s parser shows that consuming both can be done.
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voxpelli Zegnat: do you have any LD tool on your smartphone?
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[chrisaldrich] Kongaloosh, I think a lot of the issue with some of those other forms of mark up is that their only use is for search engines.
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Kongaloosh It aslo seems like it would be far more simple to use LD to make things which consume sites
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[chrisaldrich] Things like microformats actually have a handful of parsers and tools that consume the data to do other things.
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Kongaloosh yeah, I seem to recall talking to someone about writing a consumer
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sketchess ok, don't tell me than ;)
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Kongaloosh and they weren't so cheery about microformats
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Kongaloosh sketchess: is that at me? I may have missed something.
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[chrisaldrich] It would be awesome if people were building great tools to consume things like Dublin Core or RDF since they're relatively ubiquitous in certain circles, but usually they just seem to be overhead/maintenance for site builders that don't benefit much from having them.
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sketchess tousels Konggaloosh
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[chrisaldrich] I think a lot of the issue in some circles is that people make these markups into religion or SEO/voodoo magic without knowing what's really happening under the hood.
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], RDFa is also done by jkphl ! http://micrometa.jkphl.is/
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jkphl_ yep :)
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jkphl_ RDFa Lite to be precise
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Kongaloosh hmmm
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Zegnat jkphl_, can you elaborate on “JSON-LD parsing turns out to be rather time consuming”? Re, Kongaloosh’ consumer comment?
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GWG At Mozilla
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Kongaloosh I wuold like to know about that
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[chrisaldrich] see, it's things like that which make having these things worthwhile!
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Zegnat Not to say that mf2 parsing is perfect, because you need an HTML parser for that.
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Kongaloosh man, I really need to go to one of these indieweb meetups sometime :P
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aaronpk GWG us too
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Zegnat (I think it was... cweiske who commented on the need of HTML parsers for mf2?)
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GWG You are?
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Zegnat What time is it for Kongaloosh?
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Loqi I'm not sure. The timezone (Europe/Edinburgh) for Kongaloosh appears to be invalid
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voxpelli [chrisaldrich]: very much so, I think KevinMarks_ or someone pointed out that Open Graph has the structure it has as a hack around the SEO-teams
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Zegnat That still accurate, Kongaloosh? You can join the online HWC!
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Zegnat I am trying to make online HWC on EU time a regular thing.
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[miklb] good morning
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: oooooooo
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[chrisaldrich] is thinking that it's about to get busy in the channel today....
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dougbeal|iOS Morning?. At OSBridge
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/Virtual_HWC - Kongaloosh, sparse information there. sknebel and I are testing environments that will be the friendliest for people to join.
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jkphl_ zegnat: well, i didn't write the json-ld parser under the hood of micrometa myself but used one of the available PHP reference parsers (made by the people runnint jsonld.org)
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sketchess I wonder, if I choose the right one.
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sketchess thihihi
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], did I see you and GWG talk about doing a virtual HWC again? Please add thoughts about platforms to that wiki page (or ping me/sknebel to do it)
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jkphl_ zegnat: both of them download and parse the json-ld vocabularies that are used by the json-ld blocks. this seems to be a *very* time consuming thing
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aaronpk we are at mozilla!
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Zegnat jkphl_, aah, guess you do not have too much insight on the internals then. I can see how downloading external vocabularies would slow down a parser though!
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Kongaloosh Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 51 karma in this channel (74 overall)
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Kongaloosh sknebel++
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat, I just noticed that page, and yes we're considering getting back to virtual meetups again.
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jkphl_ zegnat: they're not only parsing the json data but process them somehow against the vocabularies
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: I need to fix that
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Kongaloosh I'm actually -0:700 now
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aaronpk here is the link for joining the meeting! https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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Zegnat So you would be better suited for a US based virtual then, Kongaloosh.
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Kongaloosh yes
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aaronpk petermolnar: sknebel: Zegnat: jkphl_: ben_thatmustbeme: calumryan: livestream link! https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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jkphl_ zegnat: as far as i know this is necessary to expand the json-ld data because the ontologies can be very complex and only make sense when the vocabulary is taken into account
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@ptdmicro congrats to #indieweb on their summit to be held in #pdx this year https://2017.indieweb.org/?❗️❗️❗️? (twitter.com/_/status/878286281150652419)
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sketchess It's getting busy.
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neilpdx that was me tweeting ... @ptdmicro
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sketchess hello tantek, welcome
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tantek hello!
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Kongaloosh aaronpk: what do we use to login?
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jkphl_ thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk Kongaloosh: the link should just work
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petermolnar it doesn't
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aaronpk after you download the client
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petermolnar redirects me to the download page
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petermolnar which is installed on debian
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@voxpelli In celebration if this weekend's @indiewebcamp summit I've added 30 new shining accounts to: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Get Webmentioning! (twitter.com/_/status/878286573879656448)
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aaronpk download the thing then click the link again
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Kongaloosh I need a password for https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo on OSX
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aaronpk ignore the password prompt and click the link again
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sebsel I get a "For enhanced security, Flash-based functionality is no longer supported by this system."
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aaronpk sebsel: i think you can ignore that and try again and it will work
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petermolnar no luck here either, I simple get to the download page every time
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sketchess @Zegnat If you ever feel unsure about a passage in the wiki, you can show it to me. I will be happy to tell you, how I understand it.
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sebsel Oh, I get a window now after a few tries
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aaronpk petermolnar: after the desktop app is open the link should launch the app
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petermolnar nope
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petermolnar (I need to transition from work to home, be back later, maybe it'll work from home)
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sketchess weekend :)
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Zegnat Kongaloosh, are you in yet? You shouldn’t need a password
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Zegnat Have Vidyo isntalled, then go to the link, and it should go to the public stream without needing to login to vidyo
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sketchess still the login issue?
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Zegnat sketchess, the problem is that I never recognise the parts that are hard to understand ;)
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[miklb] Can someone point me to the wiki page explaining how to send webmention for Indienews please?
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[miklb] s/how/where/
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Kongaloosh Zegnat: one thing I need to do
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Kongaloosh then I'll be in
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aaronpk [miklb]: https://news.indieweb.org/en/submit
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sketchess which IRC tag do you use Zegnat? It highlights very nicely.
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[chrisaldrich] topic of the day: building community!
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Zegnat IRC tag?
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[miklb] aaronpk thanks
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Zegnat You get a highlight when your name is mentioned
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sketchess like '/notice' for example
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gRegorLove o/ from IndieWeb Leaders Summit
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sketchess oh just that?
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sketchess ok
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sketchess good to know
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aaronpk join #indieweb-dev (or #dev on Slack) for leaders' summit meeting notes!
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sketchess +Zegnat, I am facing the same problem, but another case.
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calumryan restarting my PC
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sketchess I think your goal is to get new members, too. No matter which tech level they are on.
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sketchess I (just) prefer html css based environments for myself. :)
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sketchess with a little extra spice to it
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sketchess I am pretty sure that we all have the same hope. That it will work out at the end.
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sketchess is taking a little rest
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Zegnat sketchess, some of us are now in a conference, so the channel will get a little silent ;)
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sketchess I know.
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sketchess Happy meeting.
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sketchess :)
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to instally vidyo... terrible
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sketchess baba
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sknebel Kongaloosh: #indieweb-dev
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ben_thatmustbeme grrrrr
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ben_thatmustbeme so i installed it, but it doesn't seem to recognize it at all
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ben_thatmustbeme how is vidyo supposed to work
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sebsel you have to click the link again
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sebsel after the install
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sebsel then it recognizes
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: launch the desktop app then click the link again
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@kevinmarks @Pinboard Try this bookmarklet : http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-7-to-amp-or-not-to-amp-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878297783668662272)
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ben_thatmustbeme what is Vidyo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Vidyo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme Vidyo is a video chat and teleconference client
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Loqi ok
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ben_thatmustbeme Vidyo << Issues with unrequired dependency on libqt4-gui https://askubuntu.com/questions/762462/vidyo-desktop-on-ubuntu-16
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Loqi ok, I added "Issues with unrequired dependency on libqt4-gui https://askubuntu.com/questions/762462/vidyo-desktop-on-ubuntu-16" to the "See Also" section of /Vidyo
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme re libqt4-gui: https://askubuntu.com/questions/762462/vidyo-desktop-on-ubuntu-16/763091#763091
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petermolnar but it still won't work
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petermolnar (I ended up using android)
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ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar: sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=libqt4-gui worked for me
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petermolnar oh, for install, sure
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petermolnar still can't open the link with that
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ben_thatmustbeme then you have to open the desktop app
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ben_thatmustbeme which it capitalizes
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ben_thatmustbeme VidyoDesktop
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ben_thatmustbeme then click the link
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ben_thatmustbeme they need better documentation of that
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petermolnar tried, failed; android is fine for now
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zoglesby #freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org
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[cleverdevil] Headed to LAX right now. See everyone soon!
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aaronpk ?
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@cleverdevil Off to PDX for IndieWeb Summit 2017! Looking forward to building on the open web. ✊?? (https://cleverdevil.io/s/19CZdH) (twitter.com/_/status/878311605942878208)
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petermolnar I see a dinner has joined the conference as well
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Zegnat I know tantek was bragging about pdx Donuts. Thought I would put something up
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calumryan Many of the most popular London tech meetups announce at least 2 weeks in advance
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-23.html
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[pfefferle] miklb can you please have a look at my merge request?
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[miklb] looking now.
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[miklb] pfefferle ?
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[pfefferle] miklb have to add a second one, sorry
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[miklb] no worries, I’ve only ever used Travis for jekyll/ruby so good chance to see 1st hand some WP uses.
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@jkphl Just finished a productive #IndieWeb Leader Summit 2017. Thanks for having me, friends! It was a pleasure. :) https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/878356074373316608/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878356074373316608)
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Zegnat My Vidyo settings for the weekend, if anyone needs to be careful of bandwidth: https://imgur.com/a/gUdJm
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-23.html
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Zegnat My user page is still on that newsletter ^^^ ?
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tantek didn't have time to fix
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Zegnat Oh, I thought PR was merged for skipping user pages
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aaronpk it doesn't skip user pages, but it no longer puts user page subpages in the user page section
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sknebel Zegnat: it doesn't show up as a new community member
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sknebel that was the bug
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Zegnat Ah, alright, I thought we might want to skip them wholesale.
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sknebel if you want to exclude them entirely, that's a new discussion
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Zegnat Just misunderstood then
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sknebel (might not be a bad idea)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-23.html (twitter.com/_/status/878375870162808832)
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Zegnat Alright. I am heading for bed for my last CEST night. See you all bright and early for breakfast PDX time tomorrow.
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Zegnat Probably going to have some more of that quiche
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Zegnat Thanks to everyone for connecting on the Leaders call! Lots of really good stuff :D
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@cleverdevil @donmelton Hah, actually I’m up here for https://2017.indieweb.org./ A mix of fun and work ? (twitter.com/_/status/878377833478766592)
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@PeteForsyth @t Hey, recognized your name on the Indieweb registration page from Bay Area Wikisalon. Might be good to connect this weekend! (twitter.com/_/status/878380316678737924)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Off to PDX for IndieWeb Summit 2017! Looking forward to building on the open web. ✊??" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-23 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/off-to-pdx-for-indieweb-summit-2017-looking-forward-to
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@gRegorLove Have had a productive day and really good Portland noms so far at IndieWeb Leaders Summit! (twitter.com/_/status/878381359458205696)
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@jkphl @kongaloosh oh yes. i know too well what you're talking about ;) http://indieweb.org/User:Jkphl.is #personalitch (twitter.com/_/status/878381451586228224)
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@kongaloosh @jkphl I opted for MD as well for my #indieweb posts. I decided not to have explicit post-types since that seemed too restricting. (twitter.com/_/status/878382866899419136)
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@PeteForsyth @tedder42 Are you gonna be at IndieWeb conference this weekend, by any chance? planning to head down this eve and probably again tomorrow. (twitter.com/_/status/878383104330653696)
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raucao will it be easy to find you guys at the market tonight? my phone is offline...
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sknebel aaronpk ^^^
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aaronpk I have a sign
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@benwerd Flying to PDX tonight for IndieWeb Summit 2017. Looking forward to meeting folks and discussing an independent web. https://2017.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/878392743713804291)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Flying to PDX tonight for IndieWeb Summit 2017. Looking forward to meeting folks and discussing an independent web. https://2017.indieweb.org/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-23 https://werd.io/2017/flying-to-pdx-tonight-for-indieweb-summit-2017-looking-forward
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Loqi [superfeedr] "24/06/2017, 00:24" by Colin Walker on 2017-06-23 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/06/24/24062017-0024/
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raucao great
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@MichelleJLevine LOVED spending the last three days at @osbridge #osb17, and looking forward to the next two days (plus tonight) at @indiewebcamp summit (twitter.com/_/status/878396425440174080)
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for June 17th - 23rd, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/06/23/193433/ (twitter.com/_/status/878396507400962048)
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sketchess good morning / evening
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • June 17th - 23rd, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/414747 (twitter.com/_/status/878396860595138563)
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sketchess Had anybody a look into CSS4 or is already using it?
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sketchess welcome
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sketchess wents to bed than