#indieweb 2017-06-23

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sebsel
morning IndieWeb :)
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sebsel
checks aaronparecki.com for Portland time
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sebsel
We come to a point that it's physically impossible to attend IWS for me, because planes don't go faster
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sebsel
Playing around with Selfauth now
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cweiske
what is selfauth?
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Loqi
cweiske: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 59 minutes ago: re: "I crept up here in 2012" - really glad you stuck around despite any differences of opinion (or perhaps especially!) and helped grow the diverse set of viewpoints, approaches, implementations.
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Loqi
selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in php which is easy for anyone to get runing https://github.com/inklings-io/selfauth https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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petermolnar
morning indieweb
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Zegnat
Good morning all
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Zegnat
plays catch-up with the backlog
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sebsel
:( opcache gives troubles with Selfauth
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sebsel
I mean, once it's running, it's running
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sebsel
but since the tokens are inside the php-file, it's cached
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cweiske
.. depends on your opcache settings. opcache can check the file timestamps
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cweiske
if you disable that for performance reasons it's your fault
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sebsel
yeah, shared host
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sebsel
But that's exactly what we try to test here
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Zegnat
Wait. What is being cached that shouldn’t be cached?
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petermolnar
sebsel do you have memcached or anything similar there?
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petermolnar
you could use that instead
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cweiske
petermolnar, it's the php opcode cache
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sebsel
no wait, I'm not asking for my own site
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petermolnar
I know, but to store crendentials one could use memcached
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sebsel
I'm testing Selfauth on a shared host
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petermolnar
I'm aware of opcache pitfalls too well
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sebsel
and this one seems to have opcache
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cweiske
but writing a config file once is much less prone to data loss than a memcached entry
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cweiske
opcache is in php core since 5.5
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petermolnar
I don't get it; if you write it once, what's the problem?
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sebsel
Selfauth ships with a config.php with empty strings.
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sebsel
Maybe that should go then.
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cweiske
git mv config.php config.php.dist
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petermolnar
it will eventually time out and refresh
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sebsel
yeah it did now
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petermolnar
also what cweiske said
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cweiske
and a check in the code to not load it if it does not exist :)
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jonnybarnes
hello everyone
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Zegnat
Helli jonnybarnes
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jonnybarnes
its the indieweb summit tomorrow, can people particiapte remotely?
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Zegnat
Yes, definitely!
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jonnybarnes
I may just stick to IRC for my “participation”
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Zegnat
That should be fine. I’ll definitely be here.
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Zegnat
If the live stream works well for me, and people here aren’t on it, I might jot down stuff that is happening right into this channel.
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Loqi
[sebsel] #8 Added a setup guide
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sebsel
Also, there are these weird ()'s, but I don't know if it's worth sending a PR for it. https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/blob/master/setup.php#L55
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cweiske
this is actually a bug
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cweiske
$foo() uses $foo's value as function name and calls that function
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cweiske
false() will break
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cweiske
or true()
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sebsel
well it was added in the same commit where ben_thatmustbeme added values to the config.php, so I guess it was late ;) https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/commit/b9e4008fc490c08f3739a29370e08e955d41322d
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cweiske
"file writing is not working for me" which is why false() was never executed :)
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cweiske
and thus he did not see the error
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Zegnat
looking at your PR now sebsel
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Zegnat
Can’t really do any fixes myself atm. Am getting ready to watch people dance around a maypole.
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sebsel
I sent a PR, while I was at it.
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sebsel
now I need to get some things done for other people too ;)
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Zegnat
sebsel, can you take a sec and just edit your PRs to state you agree with CONTRIBUTING.md re licensing?
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Zegnat
I’ll hit merge on the second PR if you do
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sebsel
meh, wait.
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sebsel
Zegnat like that?
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Zegnat
sebsel looks good to me now
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Zegnat
And back to 0 open PRs.
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Zegnat
Oof, weird post title, petermolnar ^^^
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Zegnat
Now off to do more preparations. I should be back in time for Leaders, but otherwise will be spotty to get hold off.
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Zegnat
Have a good day all~
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petermolnar
it's a reply
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petermolnar
I probably need to add RE: to the title
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petermolnar
to make it more obvious
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Zegnat
Can you have a textual value on the SVG that adds RE: to the text version of the title?
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petermolnar
I don't know
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ben_thatmustbeme
sebsel ++ thanks for fixing that
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Loqi
sebsel has 19 karma in this channel (24 overall)
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ben_thatmustbeme
And yeah, it was late. I was trying to hack it in quickly
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tantek
good early morning #Indieweb
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petermolnar
wow, that is indeed early
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ben_thatmustbeme
Yeah, tantek, you are back PDT aren't you?
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tantek
Yes. I just came from EDT via two flights so it's been a series of naps.
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Loqi
[Mozilla] A $2 Million Prize to Decentralize the Web. Apply Today
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cweiske
oh. I thought it's about decentralization of the web, which it isn't
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tantek
cweiske, indeed there are many different interpretations of "decentralize" and "web"
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tantek
catches up on the logs
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Zegnat
It also isn’t available outside of the us cweiske, if you were thinking of applying.
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tantek
what is opcache?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "opcache" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ma
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cweiske
no, I thought it'd be interesting for the people here
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tantek
what is Selfauth
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Loqi
selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in php which is easy for anyone to get runing https://github.com/inklings-io/selfauth https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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tantek
what is memcached
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "memcached" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10mb
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tantek
lots of dev talk this morning in #indieweb :)
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tantek
goes to read #indieweb-dev logs
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sebsel
I started that
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calumryan
Submitted Introducing IndieWeb session proposal for Mozfest London, fingers cross it’s accepted 🤞🏻
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tantek
calumryan++
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Loqi
calumryan has 6 karma
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Zegnat
calumryan++
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Loqi
calumryan has 7 karma
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Zegnat
wonders if any Swedish tech events is open for submissions
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Zegnat
voxpelli, Jeena, any ideas?
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voxpelli
Zegnat: haven't paid attention to any such call for submissions
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tantek
has caught up on logs for the past day
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Zegnat
If you ever see any let me know voxpelli. I would be interested to do IndieWeb or microformats introduction talks.
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tantek
!tell [chrisaldrich] definitely write something! would appreciate if you could mention *something* you found that was new and/or particularly useful to you about / with microformats in the past year in particular
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
oops I meant to leave that in #microformats oh well
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "RicMac, part II" on 2017-06-23 http://scripting.com/2017/06/23.html#a070643
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sebsel
lol, Snap Map
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sebsel
Snapchat is not really web and thus not indieweb relevant, right?
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sebsel
they added a feature where you can see a map of all your friends
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sebsel
it shows a heatmap of users too
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tantek
sebsel - right, I don't know anything web about snapchat
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tantek
is there even a URL scheme to launch snapchat to message another user? e.g. like sms:
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sebsel
I believe I saw that
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sebsel
Jesse (from HWC NL, http://jesselisser.nl/) has a Snapchat tile
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Loqi
Jesse Lisser
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sebsel
the whole stories thing (also in all the Facebook apps now) is not really web either, but still very popular and really a social media thing.
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sebsel
but maybe Indieweb !== social media
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tantek
sebsel - indeed, it seems like any app / UX where there is asymmetric follow, and you publish to your followers (rather than just message people), and you read from / watch those you follow, is called social media. no need for persistence, or even URLs to content or people
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tantek
perhaps they also require the ability to @-mention people and get notified of mentions
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sebsel
well, I have even heard Whatsapp being called social media
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Zegnat
I think WhatsApp is labelled social media by Swedish phone provider Telia. As part of their free data for social media.
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Zegnat
Also not that WhatsApp also had stories 😉
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tantek
perhaps they treat your address book as followings
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aaronpk
Good morning!
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aaronpk
Hope tantek is getting a little more sleep
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Loqi
morning!
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voxpelli
is reading up on the latest This Week in IndieWeb newsletters
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[colinwalker]
o/ aaronpk
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@scottjenson
Heading up to IndieWeb Summit 2017 in Portland this afternoon! So looking forward to it https://2017.indieweb.org/
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[chrisaldrich]
Bestest of mornings! (It feels like an international Indieweb holiday doesn't it?!)
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GWG
Happy Indieweb day
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Good morning Portland! Time to get #IndieWeb Summit weekend started! https://indieweb.org/2017" on 2017-06-23 http://tantek.com/2017/174/t1/good-indieweb-summit-weekend
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@t
Good morning Portland! Time to get #IndieWeb Summit weekend started! https://indieweb.org/2017 (ttk.me t4p01)
(twtr.io/1T8yGJBwMFj)
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sketchess
good morning / evening
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Zegnat
Hi sketchess
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Zegnat
returns from summer solstice celebrations
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sketchess
smilies
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sketchess
happy to see you zegnat
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sketchess
I invested some time and now, I do understand what indieweb is. what it's motivation is. How it has formed and came to be in today.
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Zegnat
Good to hear!
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sketchess
that helped me alot: https://www.wired.com/2013/08/indie-web/
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sketchess
Good writing habits.
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sketchess
It started to answer questions. Thihihihi.
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sketchess
:)
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Zegnat
That’s both good and bad, haha. Rather indieweb.org describes what indieweb is.
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Loqi
awesome
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Zegnat
On the other hand, I am also working on a blog post about what *I* think the IndieWeb is.
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voxpelli
Yeah, there's hopefully as many such descriptions and there are members of the community :)
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voxpelli
s/and/as/
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sketchess
I never take one piece and say that it is.
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Zegnat
voxpelli, do you have a blogpost about what the indieweb means?
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sketchess
It is a puzzle.
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sketchess
But the background informations were pretty helpful. Assuming they are facts.
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Kongaloosh
hey, aaronpk, I'm getting back into using micropub services and am looking at OYG again. I see a button asking me to upgrade to arrays rather than comma-separated lists. Clicking the button, however, doesn't do anything.
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sketchess
I read also others. Most I read are hard to understand.
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voxpelli
Zegnat: this is probably my closest one, but it's in Swedish: https://voxpelli.com/2015/09/oberoende-sociala-webben-2015/
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Loqi
[Pelle Wessman] Den oberoende sociala webben 2015
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Zegnat
To be fair, having posts like that in different languages is probably A Good Thing™
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Zegnat
I think that post hits a lot of important principles
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voxpelli
Zegnat: yeah, it got cited by one of the newspapers here, so that was good :)
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sketchess
same post?
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voxpelli
sketchess: yeah, the core plurality principle of the IndieWeb community makes it somewhat hard to grasp what it is
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Zegnat
embrace the plurality
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voxpelli
it's easy to know what Twitter is, but in IndieWeb one can only identify what is common and what is less common within the community
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sketchess
But their are things that match each other or?
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voxpelli
WebMentions, MicroPub, h-entries etc are all common while some other stuff like Salmentions, private webmentions
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voxpelli
are less common
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sketchess
And new ways are invented?!
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Zegnat
sketchess: sometimes several people invent different things, at the same time.
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Zegnat
Sometimes those things end up being the same (e.g. extension to h-event), sometimes they are different
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voxpelli
sketchess: exactly, as people prove the concepts of their own less common ways, others will follow and adopt the same patterns
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Zegnat
Good evening jkphl!
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sketchess
welcome
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jkphl
hello indieweb (and hello portland)!
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Loqi
jkphl: tantek left you a message on 2017-03-17 at 6:05pm UTC: do you know anything about Hetzner Online or this IP address in particular? https://w3bin.com/ip_info/148.251.41.232
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Loqi
jkphl: tantek left you a message on 2017-05-12 at 11:10pm UTC: what do you think of the merged HWC Where/venue and RSVPs e.g. here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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sebsel
waves at jkphl
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sketchess
So it is like the ozean.
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Zegnat
IndieWeb EU is slowly gaining in numbers here in the channel :D
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Kongaloosh
actually
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Kongaloosh
on the topic of h-entries
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aaronpk
Kongaloosh: hm that's odd, I'll check it out
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Kongaloosh
aaronpk: ta! much appreciated.
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Kongaloosh
I figure I'm just lagging behind or something
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Zegnat
Kongaloosh, please let it be an easy question, please let it be an easy question, please ... ;)
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Kongaloosh
I stopped using micropub for a while
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: here we go
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: why do we use micro-formats and such instead of typical html5 stuff
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sketchess
I do not know how much 'indieweb' I would probably come to be.
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sketchess
XD
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Zegnat
Most of the time typical HTML5 only describes type, not content. Take the time element, it is great for marking up time. But how do I know how that time relates to the page? Is it an event date? Publishing date? That information is added by microformats.
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Kongaloosh
other thing: how do people feel about using activity streams and the like?
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voxpelli
sketchess: we all do it one small step at a time, very few of us are fully feature complete :) E.g. receiving WebMentions are easy
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Zegnat
what is activity stream?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "activity stream" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10md
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Zegnat
Wait... was don’t have that page?
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Zegnat
what is activity streams?
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Loqi
ActivityStreams (AS) is a standardization effort to define common types of objects and actions (verbs) taken on various social media sites https://indieweb.org/activity_streams
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Kongaloosh
there we go
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Zegnat
activity stream is /activity_streams
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aaronpk
Tantek is determined to get donuts before we head to Mozilla so we are going to be a few minutes late to the room
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sketchess
Thank you voxpelli.
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Kongaloosh
sketchess: are youy thinking about jumping in and starting stuff?
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voxpelli
Kongaloosh: we don't do activitystreams because we use ordinary html5 ;)
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Zegnat
That page has some pros and cons on AS Kongaloosh. I don’t think many of us are currently implementing it.
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voxpelli
Oh dear, just realized my WebMentions endpoint is out of accounts!
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Zegnat
Though I was looking at it again for my activity feed.
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sknebel
voxpelli sketchess: and also, "feature complete" totally depends on the personal goals. No need to have "features" you never use on your site
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sketchess
is on a path of asking and understanding
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voxpelli
sketchess: I'll open some more accounts here very soon if you want to try it: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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sketchess
very true sknebel
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Kongaloosh
what about linked data notifications
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Kongaloosh
I played around with that
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Kongaloosh
and really liked it
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voxpelli
sknebel: totally! dog folding is so key :)
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sknebel
the poor dogs ;)
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Zegnat
I am not sure what linked data notifications is..?
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voxpelli
Kongaloosh: this is getting into very non easy question territory ;)
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Kongaloosh
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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sknebel
Zegnat: it's webmention for JSON-LD based stuff as far as I understand
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sketchess
*giggle*
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voxpelli
The Social WG does specs for both indieweb and those other things you mention
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Zegnat
Aah, a lot of JSON-LD is skipped in exchange for mf2 because of the way JSON-LD creates these invisible data islands within your HTML.
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Zegnat
Personally never looked into JSON-LD much at all. So others would be better to answer that question.
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voxpelli
There are some fundamental philosophical differences between LD-crowd and the indieweb crowd – and some big similarities
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Kongaloosh
what do you mean by data islands?
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Kongaloosh
I would really like to hear more about that, voxpelli
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sketchess
And to answer you question further Kongaloosh. I am in the middle of invention. So there is not much else I think about.
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sketchess
+r
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Zegnat
Isn’t JSON-LD the one that adds a SCRIPT element with a JSON blob into your HTML? That’s what I meant. You pull out data that may or may not be in the HTML already and put it in its own little place. Possibly even copying the data
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Kongaloosh
sketchess: oh?
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voxpelli
what are principles?
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Loqi
The IndieWeb Community is largely based on principles (AKA tenets) such as own your data, scratch your own itches, build tools for yourself, selfdogfood, document your stuff, open source your stuff, UX design is more important than protocols, visible data for humans first and machines second, platform agnostic platforms, plurality over monoculture, longevity, and remember to have fun! https://indieweb.org/principles
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Zegnat
That is not to say everyone is against LinkedData! jkphl for one has added it to his meta data parser at http://micrometa.jkphl.is/ :D
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sketchess
voxpelli.... what are you opening? o.o
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voxpelli
Kongaloosh: see the second principle for example
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voxpelli
sketchess: I have a limited amount of accounts on that service and unfortunately they have all been taken, so I will raise the limit
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Kongaloosh
but I've found there's feelings that a lot of the community has which are strong about these decisions
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sketchess
regarding webmentions, right? Kongaloosh
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sketchess
had a quick look
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Kongaloosh
sketchess: all sorts of things
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sketchess
aha
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sketchess
and why oh?
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sketchess
did I miss re-read XD?
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sketchess
thihihihi
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Zegnat
Kongaloosh, that also stems from the close proximity between microformats and the indieweb founders. But selfdogfooding really trumps all arguments. If you implement JSON-LD (both consuming and publishing) and others do too, how is that not IndieWeb?
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neilpdx
hi
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sknebel
hi neilpdx
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sketchess
welcome
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voxpelli
Zegnat: because it's machines first, humans second and thus violates the core principles ;) So it would be a somewhat controversial to make
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Zegnat
Kongaloosh: a criticism I have seen a lot is that people who work on LD stuff and specs do not actually have them on their personal websites. Not sure if that is still true.
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neilpdx
thanks @sketchess
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neilpdx
shakes sknebel's hand
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Zegnat
voxpelli, not really, you might have DRY violations but you don’t actually have to *hide* the data from users at all.
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: I dunno
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sketchess
I can have a look back than.
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro certainly has it on her site
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voxpelli
Zegnat: well, if you pick a format that has no tools, then you're not building for the tools that people have but expect them to change tools
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Zegnat
And nobody is going to exclude rhiaro from IndieWeb! Haha
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Kongaloosh
because when I was asking people to ping my inbox I got stuff from her and was able to send stuff to her
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voxpelli
Zegnat: so rather than adapting to existing tech you want people to adapt their tech to your code
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sketchess
nope it was you Kongaloosh XD
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Kongaloosh
sketchess: me?
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Kongaloosh
what did I do?
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Zegnat
Also: “rhiaro style” is a thing now, apparently (earlier today from the chat channel :p)
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: wat
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sketchess
asking, getting a answer and saying 'oh'
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sketchess
hahahahaha
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@schmarty
Blue Star Donuts knows that silos are gonna silo. #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/878283510108258308/photo/1
(twtr.io/1T94PhfCJR8)
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voxpelli
Kongaloosh: there are certainly people within the indieweb that uses or have used activitystreams, but it still a less used, more controversial choice within the community :)
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Loqi
Kongaloosh: lol
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Zegnat
That was 100% an aside, Kongaloosh. I am working on an activity stream thing to track where I do things, so people of course pointed at rhiaro.co.uk
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aaronpk
Donuts obtained, on the way to mozpdx
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sketchess
so tell me, why 'oh'
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Zegnat
DONUTS!
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sketchess
:D
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sketchess
no let me re-phrase that, why 'oh?'
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Zegnat
voxpelli, are there really fewer tools available for LD than mf2? E.g. jkphl’s parser shows that consuming both can be done.
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voxpelli
Zegnat: do you have any LD tool on your smartphone?
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[chrisaldrich]
Kongaloosh, I think a lot of the issue with some of those other forms of mark up is that their only use is for search engines.
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Kongaloosh
It aslo seems like it would be far more simple to use LD to make things which consume sites
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[chrisaldrich]
Things like microformats actually have a handful of parsers and tools that consume the data to do other things.
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Kongaloosh
yeah, I seem to recall talking to someone about writing a consumer
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sketchess
ok, don't tell me than ;)
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Kongaloosh
and they weren't so cheery about microformats
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Kongaloosh
sketchess: is that at me? I may have missed something.
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[chrisaldrich]
It would be awesome if people were building great tools to consume things like Dublin Core or RDF since they're relatively ubiquitous in certain circles, but usually they just seem to be overhead/maintenance for site builders that don't benefit much from having them.
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sketchess
tousels Konggaloosh
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[chrisaldrich]
I think a lot of the issue in some circles is that people make these markups into religion or SEO/voodoo magic without knowing what's really happening under the hood.
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Zegnat
[chrisaldrich], RDFa is also done by jkphl ! http://micrometa.jkphl.is/
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jkphl_
yep :)
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jkphl_
RDFa Lite to be precise
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Zegnat
jkphl_, can you elaborate on “JSON-LD parsing turns out to be rather time consuming”? Re, Kongaloosh’ consumer comment?
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GWG
At Mozilla
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Kongaloosh
I wuold like to know about that
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[chrisaldrich]
see, it's things like that which make having these things worthwhile!
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Zegnat
Not to say that mf2 parsing is perfect, because you need an HTML parser for that.
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Kongaloosh
man, I really need to go to one of these indieweb meetups sometime :P
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aaronpk
GWG us too
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Zegnat
(I think it was... cweiske who commented on the need of HTML parsers for mf2?)
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GWG
You are?
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Zegnat
What time is it for Kongaloosh?
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Loqi
I'm not sure. The timezone (Europe/Edinburgh) for Kongaloosh appears to be invalid
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voxpelli
[chrisaldrich]: very much so, I think KevinMarks_ or someone pointed out that Open Graph has the structure it has as a hack around the SEO-teams
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Zegnat
That still accurate, Kongaloosh? You can join the online HWC!
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Zegnat
I am trying to make online HWC on EU time a regular thing.
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[miklb]
good morning
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: oooooooo
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[chrisaldrich]
is thinking that it's about to get busy in the channel today....
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dougbeal|iOS
Morning👋. At OSBridge
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Zegnat
https://indieweb.org/Virtual_HWC - Kongaloosh, sparse information there. sknebel and I are testing environments that will be the friendliest for people to join.
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jkphl_
zegnat: well, i didn't write the json-ld parser under the hood of micrometa myself but used one of the available PHP reference parsers (made by the people runnint jsonld.org)
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sketchess
I wonder, if I choose the right one.
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sketchess
thihihi
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Zegnat
[chrisaldrich], did I see you and GWG talk about doing a virtual HWC again? Please add thoughts about platforms to that wiki page (or ping me/sknebel to do it)
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jkphl_
zegnat: both of them download and parse the json-ld vocabularies that are used by the json-ld blocks. this seems to be a *very* time consuming thing
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aaronpk
we are at mozilla!
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Zegnat
jkphl_, aah, guess you do not have too much insight on the internals then. I can see how downloading external vocabularies would slow down a parser though!
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat++
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Loqi
zegnat has 51 karma in this channel (74 overall)
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Kongaloosh
sknebel++
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Loqi
sknebel has 14 karma in this channel (32 overall)
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[chrisaldrich]
Zegnat, I just noticed that page, and yes we're considering getting back to virtual meetups again.
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jkphl_
zegnat: they're not only parsing the json data but process them somehow against the vocabularies
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: I need to fix that
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Kongaloosh
I'm actually -0:700 now
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aaronpk
here is the link for joining the meeting! https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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Zegnat
So you would be better suited for a US based virtual then, Kongaloosh.
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aaronpk
petermolnar: sknebel: Zegnat: jkphl_: ben_thatmustbeme: calumryan: livestream link! https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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jkphl_
zegnat: as far as i know this is necessary to expand the json-ld data because the ontologies can be very complex and only make sense when the vocabulary is taken into account
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@ptdmicro
congrats to #indieweb on their summit to be held in #pdx this year https://2017.indieweb.org/🤓❗️❗️❗️📵
(twtr.io/1T95P6FCGmz)
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sketchess
It's getting busy.
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neilpdx
that was me tweeting ... @ptdmicro
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sketchess
hello tantek, welcome
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tantek
hello!
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Kongaloosh
aaronpk: what do we use to login?
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jkphl_
thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk
Kongaloosh: the link should just work
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petermolnar
it doesn't
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aaronpk
after you download the client
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petermolnar
redirects me to the download page
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petermolnar
which is installed on debian
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@voxpelli
In celebration if this weekend's @indiewebcamp summit I've added 30 new shining accounts to: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Get Webmentioning!
(twtr.io/1T95VNhK90o)
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aaronpk
download the thing then click the link again
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Kongaloosh
I need a password for https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo on OSX
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aaronpk
ignore the password prompt and click the link again
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sebsel
I get a "For enhanced security, Flash-based functionality is no longer supported by this system."
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aaronpk
sebsel: i think you can ignore that and try again and it will work
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petermolnar
no luck here either, I simple get to the download page every time
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sketchess
@Zegnat If you ever feel unsure about a passage in the wiki, you can show it to me. I will be happy to tell you, how I understand it.
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sebsel
Oh, I get a window now after a few tries
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aaronpk
petermolnar: after the desktop app is open the link should launch the app
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petermolnar
(I need to transition from work to home, be back later, maybe it'll work from home)
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voxpelli
tries to join
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sketchess
puts her feet up
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sketchess
weekend :)
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Zegnat
Kongaloosh, are you in yet? You shouldn’t need a password
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Zegnat
Have Vidyo isntalled, then go to the link, and it should go to the public stream without needing to login to vidyo
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sketchess
still the login issue?
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Zegnat
sketchess, the problem is that I never recognise the parts that are hard to understand ;)
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[miklb]
Can someone point me to the wiki page explaining how to send webmention for Indienews please?
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[miklb]
s/how/where/
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Kongaloosh
Zegnat: one thing I need to do
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Kongaloosh
then I'll be in
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sketchess
which IRC tag do you use Zegnat? It highlights very nicely.
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[chrisaldrich]
topic of the day: building community!
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Zegnat
IRC tag?
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[miklb]
aaronpk thanks
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Zegnat
You get a highlight when your name is mentioned
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sketchess
like '/notice' for example
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gRegorLove
o/ from IndieWeb Leaders Summit
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sketchess
oh just that?
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sketchess
ok
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sketchess
good to know
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aaronpk
join #indieweb-dev (or #dev on Slack) for leaders' summit meeting notes!
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sketchess
+Zegnat, I am facing the same problem, but another case.
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calumryan
restarting my PC
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sketchess
I think your goal is to get new members, too. No matter which tech level they are on.
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sketchess
I (just) prefer html css based environments for myself. :)
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sketchess
with a little extra spice to it
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sketchess
I am pretty sure that we all have the same hope. That it will work out at the end.
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sketchess
is taking a little rest
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Zegnat
sketchess, some of us are now in a conference, so the channel will get a little silent ;)
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sketchess
I know.
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sketchess
Happy meeting.
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sketchess
:)
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ben_thatmustbeme
trying to instally vidyo... terrible
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sketchess
baba
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sknebel
Kongaloosh: #indieweb-dev
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ben_thatmustbeme
so i installed it, but it doesn't seem to recognize it at all
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ben_thatmustbeme
how is vidyo supposed to work
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sebsel
you have to click the link again
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sebsel
after the install
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sebsel
then it recognizes
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: launch the desktop app then click the link again
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is Vidyo?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Vidyo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10mh
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ben_thatmustbeme
Vidyo is a video chat and teleconference client
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ben_thatmustbeme
Vidyo << Issues with unrequired dependency on libqt4-gui https://askubuntu.com/questions/762462/vidyo-desktop-on-ubuntu-16
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Loqi
ok, I added "Issues with unrequired dependency on libqt4-gui https://askubuntu.com/questions/762462/vidyo-desktop-on-ubuntu-16" to the "See Also" section of /Vidyo
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petermolnar
but it still won't work
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petermolnar
(I ended up using android)
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ben_thatmustbeme
petermolnar: sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=libqt4-gui worked for me
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petermolnar
oh, for install, sure
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petermolnar
still can't open the link with that
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ben_thatmustbeme
then you have to open the desktop app
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ben_thatmustbeme
which it capitalizes
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ben_thatmustbeme
VidyoDesktop
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ben_thatmustbeme
then click the link
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ben_thatmustbeme
they need better documentation of that
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petermolnar
tried, failed; android is fine for now
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zoglesby
#freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org
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[cleverdevil]
Headed to LAX right now. See everyone soon!
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@cleverdevil
Off to PDX for IndieWeb Summit 2017! Looking forward to building on the open web. ✊🏻🎉 (https://cleverdevil.io/s/19CZdH)
(twtr.io/1T9ERu8fiwo)
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petermolnar
I see a dinner has joined the conference as well
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Zegnat
I know tantek was bragging about pdx Donuts. Thought I would put something up
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calumryan
Many of the most popular London tech meetups announce at least 2 weeks in advance
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