#indieweb 2017-06-24

2017-06-24 UTC
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[miklb] what was that domain registrar that recently wrote the blog post? I can’t find it in my history and failed to bookmark it
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "that domain registrar that recently wrote the blog post" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[miklb] ah, iwantmyname
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#447" by Douglas Beal https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/23/447/
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@realkimhansen https://martymcgui.re/tag/this-week-indieweb-podcast/ @jimpick @ChrisAldrich @benwerd (twitter.com/_/status/878438916075933696)
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@ScalaWilliam @EdgarArout this is motivating me more and more to follow https://indieweb.org/ / https://indieweb.org/POSSE… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/878461507163480065 (twitter.com/_/status/878461507163480065)
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@redblobgames Got to meet @WardCunningham at the #indieweb summit! http://indieweb.org/2017 (Big fan— I spent a lot of time on the c2 wiki back in the 90s) (twitter.com/_/status/878462444636708864)
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@johnallsopp @evansiegfried @indiewebcamp Til there's a 17 minute karaoke version of gangsters paradise. (twitter.com/_/status/878475922789158912)
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@johnallsopp @evansiegfried @indiewebcamp Moral of the story. Do not last minute book a room in Portland my Friends (twitter.com/_/status/878476356329250816)
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gRegorLove Good evening, indieweb
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GWG Hello, gRegorLove
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GWG kraftbj: Thanks for helping me figure out what I was missing.
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kraftbj GWG: No problem! I'm bothered that I don't know enough about the parser to see if there's something better to do than that.
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gRegorLove Long time no see, GWG :)
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GWG kraftbj: I'm embarassed that I called the wrong variable and didn't see it.
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GWG gRegorLove: Ditto. It's been ages
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kraftbj GWG: No worries. It takes a village to make a website (or a plugin)
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GWG kraftbj: If you want to see manually how Semantic Linkbacks parses a page for mf2, use /?sldebug=form and put in a URL.
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kraftbj That's hot. I'll give it a spin.
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GWG kraftbj: You need WP_DEBUG on. But I added in this form to test the parser return. Automated tests are great, but sometimes you need to see the results of any given URL
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kraftbj 100% agree. Automated are, IMO, best for regression prevention.
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GWG kraftbj: It shows how much data the new version extracts and saves to meta versus the current stable version.
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@Kraft For technology to be adopted mainstream, it needs to just work without being fragile. https://kraft.blog/2017/06/adoption-by-stealth/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878484257349521408)
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@schmarty @johnallsopp @evansiegfried @indiewebcamp 1. I don't know how this is part of this thread but it is. 2. This place… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/878485124773326848 (twitter.com/_/status/878485124773326848)
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GWG Hi, snarfed. Long time no see.
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snarfed lol!
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GWG snarfed: I stole that bit from gRegorLove
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gRegorLove I stole that bit from dadjokes dot biz
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gRegorLove I almost sad com, but checked and Chrome warked it was a malware site, so don't visit that. dot biz is weird design site, but safe.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi *yawn*
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[colinwalker] Morning all.
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[colinwalker] gregorlove - thanks for the follow-up comment/clarification
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Zegnat Good morning colinwalker
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Zegnat Excited for this weekend's summit?
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[colinwalker] Zegnat yeah but I'm going to be out most of the weekend so will miss much of it ?
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[colinwalker] Will have to see how things align with the time zone difference.
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, time zones suck.
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[asteres] Hey all I set up wordpress to try all the indieweb stuff and rsvp for the summit http://ashersilberman.com/rsvp-to-attend-indieweb-summit-2017-virtually/
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Loqi [Asher] RSVP yes to IndieWeb Summit
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Zegnat awesome [asteres]!
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Zegnat You might want to add https:// to that link to the summit. Now it resolves within your website
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[asteres] oh thank you
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Zegnat goes to stare at https://2017.indieweb.org/ to see if [asteres]’s RSVP shows up
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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[asteres] that's the issue, it's not validating
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[asteres] I'll try adding a h-card that might be the reason
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Zegnat Do you get any specific error?
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Zegnat Oh boy, this might need the WP crew to fly in (GWG, you still up?)
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Zegnat The RSVP’s h-entry is nested within the post’s h-entry. I haven’t seen that one before.
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[asteres] ah right, I just copied the example. Fixed that now
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Zegnat Looks much better, yes :) This should be parsable
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@johnallsopp @schmarty @evansiegfried @indiewebcamp In a past life I'd have agreed re 2 :-) (twitter.com/_/status/878507613020839936)
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[asteres] now I have to send it as a webmention I imagine?
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat I wonder if there was a reason 2017.indieweb.org doesn’t have an input box for RSVP URLs
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Zegnat [asteres]++ for making it onto 2017.indieweb.org with an indie RSVP!
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Loqi asteres has 1 karma
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[asteres] oh dang it showed up!
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[asteres] now just gotta get bridgy working haha
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Loqi haha
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[asteres] What is Diaspora?
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Loqi Diaspora (or D*) is an open source project for hosting a social network on your own server that federates with other Diaspora instances, which are called "pods" https://indieweb.org/Diaspora
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Zegnat Good morning sebsel
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sebsel morning ^^
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Zegnat Looks like Instagram is going to be adding some sort of audience feature https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/23/15856858/instagram-favorites-private-sharing-friends-list
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sebsel wooo~ I got the tests working
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Zegnat sebsel, for XRay-Facebook-events?
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sebsel yeah, the details are -dev, but hopefully soon Loqi sees Fb events too :)
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sketchess good morning / evening
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sebsel good morning :)
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Zegnat What is UGT?
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Loqi Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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Zegnat good morning is always right sketchess ;) ^^^
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sketchess Thanks +Zegnat and Co. for the next pieces of the selfauth. It is becoming more clear now.
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sketchess I know +Zegnat, but I choose to do both.
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sketchess :)
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Zegnat I have a +?
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sketchess yes
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sketchess some of you have
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Zegnat Ooh, right, that is called “voice” and is an IRC label thing.
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sketchess I am not sure if you get highlighted without is. ;)
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sketchess it
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Zegnat People who have registered their IRC name on the indieweb wiki get it added
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sebsel what is IRC-people?
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Loqi IRC people is a list of IRC regulars sorted by nick(name), with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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Zegnat I will get highlighted without, it is not actually part of my name
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sebsel there ^^^ :)
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sketchess ah and I thought because of the secure connection, regarding +
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sketchess Followed your meeting a bit yesterday. Was interesting and made me think.
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Zegnat The + is just a sign your program gives to people who are voiced (+v mode on IRC). Some clients (like XChat) will show coloured icons instead. We use it as a sign for wiki users, but it could theoretically be used so nobody but us can talk in this channel
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Zegnat The meeting notes were a little all over the place, apologies for that sketchess
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sketchess What is the main purpose of the IRC channels? You do not have to apologies.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "main purpose of the IRC channels" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess You do not have to search for a wiki page, if you do. A sentence would be enough.
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sketchess washes quick the sleep out of her head
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Zegnat The main purpose of the IRC channels is communication. For the core community (many of the developers) it is the preferred way of staying in touch
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Woops
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sketchess in a second
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Zegnat http://wiki.zegnat.net/iws-task-list ideas anyone?
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sketchess re
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sketchess *lol* (sorry, I just had a look into dev.)
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sketchess I do feel honored that you do take action at most of the time I ask something. (Zegnat)
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sketchess And it happens very quick. XD
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Zegnat I have summer break. No work. No school. And because Sweden it doesn’t really get dark anymore and my sleep scheduled is messed up.
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Zegnat Might as well do something useful with all that time
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sketchess Following the meeting, I asked myself what could be the 'noises' of IRC you were mentioning. What kind of quality do they have? I came to the conclusion that it is intended: IRC channel shell mainly getting used to discuss technical aspects instead getting being used for small talk related stuff
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sketchess That guided me to the question, what the real main purpose could be.
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Zegnat Ah. Yes.
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Zegnat The purpose of this channel (#indieweb) is to welcome people, introduce them to the wiki and other building blocks.
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Zegnat Because we do not want those talks interrupted with people debugging their code, there is #indieweb-dev for that
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Zegnat And if community members just want to share links or riff on things, we have #indieweb-chat for that.
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Zegnat During yesterday’s meeting it was decided to add #indieweb-meta, where we can discuss event organisation, wiki gardening, and more such things that you also don’t want to do with people who are just coming in
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Zegnat Does that clear things up for you?
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sketchess Than there is something strange with your wiki going on, Zegnat.
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sketchess Yes very much indeed. 'clear'
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Zegnat I don’t know how to spell /deutlich/, so clear will have to do ;)
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Zegnat Something strange with the wiki?
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sketchess I wonder why it points than to the wrong resources.
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sketchess Or it just was me.
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sketchess strange
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Zegnat It should be clear on /discuss, but that page hasn’t been updated after yesterday’s meeting yet.
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Zegnat We aren’t all robots yet. Hard to have a meeting and edit wikis at the same time.
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sketchess No no, I did not mean that.
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sketchess Give me a moment, I have to check something. Either it was me pretty tired or it was real misguidance.
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sketchess has a look
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sketchess I count that as me beeing too tired. *lol*
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sketchess fuzzy memory
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Zegnat adds updating /discuss to his todo list
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sketchess Good. I am glad that I am onto the correct place than.
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Zegnat If you really want to go deep into wiki gardening, the new #indieweb-meta channel was created for that :)
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Zegnat Because new people coming in should not have to be bothered with that sort of housekeeping.
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sketchess I am not sure if I understand.
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sketchess Shell that mean, I am already digging to deep?
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sketchess Ok, so future discussion of wiki improvement will happen there. Putting that into my memory.
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Zegnat Never too deep. But if you mostly talk about wiki problems, and not just general “indieweb”, then that is one of the reasons the new meta channel exists
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sketchess :)
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sketchess Where do people meet, who are working at improving their website?
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sketchess technical core
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Zegnat All over the place? What do you mean?
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sketchess code
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Zegnat If people start talking code in here, we ask them to move the conversation to #indieweb-dev
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Zegnat If you just built something and want to show off your website, here is fine, of course
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sketchess ah that it's purpose, thanks
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sketchess Can I help you out somehow in return, Zegnat?
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Zegnat 7 hours until Zegnat should have updated /discuss based on chat around 12:20 CEST
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-24 8:01pm CEST (#6029)
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Zegnat sketchess, not really. Just point me at stuff that needs work and about me when I don't do my work
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sketchess Ok, which channel do you prefer for that? perhaps privat?
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sketchess is still like just a guest
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sketchess do not want to disturb anybody
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Zegnat If it is wiki stuff, the new meta channel please.
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sketchess kay
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Zegnat Private is not a good place, because then nobody else can step in if I am unavailable
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sketchess the log will not catch too
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Zegnat Exactly :) we like our logs
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sketchess oh I almost forgot something
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sketchess I just wondered, why is 'getting started' not one of the first things people can access? Wouldn't it be logical? Just wondered.
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sketchess introduction / general information > join / getting started > further stuff (circle)
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sketchess seems natural to me
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Zegnat Getting started is one of the first build links on the homepage, right
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sketchess jep
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sketchess But later I had first trouble to find it again. I used to navigate over the homepage to it.
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sketchess instead of doing it dircetly in the wiki environment
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sketchess Chances are good that someone else is getting a little lost in the wiki like me. Especially if they are completely new.
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strk is this a good place to discuss about indiemail too ? :)
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sketchess You might want to rethink some orders here and there.
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strk or do you have suggestions for better places ? I'm evaluating solutions for incoing mail
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strk *incoming/outgoing mail
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strk as independent as possible
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sketchess welcome
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sketchess code strk?
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strk so the current idea would be to store the mail in MailDir format and put under a Nextcloud synchronized directory
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strk does it sound like a good idea ?
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strk it's a long time I don't use local facilities for mail (fetchmail/procmail)
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strk and I've heard there are now niceties like "notmuch" mail for indexing and dunno what else
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strk rather, for some time (after a disk failure which resulted in loosing all my mail archives) I've been leaving most mail on someone else's computer only
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sketchess couldn't answer those questions :) sorry
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sketchess and I do know, if dev would be a better place or not.... still learning myself
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sketchess I probably should invest the next time amount into my own data sets. Still much work to do. So I see ya around folks.
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sketchess baba
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Zegnat What is indiemail?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiemail" yet. Would you like to create it?
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strk I just made that word up...
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Zegnat strk, just read what you said. I think some of the people here might do their own email set-up but this channel is primarily about websites and not infrastructure like email
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Zegnat was out for lunch
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Zegnat Lets see what the wiki says...
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Zegnat What is email?
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Loqi Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport, with typical user interfaces that encourage excessively lengthy messages, in contrast to texting https://indieweb.org/email
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Zegnat strk there is a "handling it yourself" section there, that might have something in it for you: https://indieweb.org/email#Handling_it_Yourself
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strk "excessively" is really debatable there :)
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GWG barnabywalters: Long time no see.
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barnabywalters hi GWG, likewise! been busy with other things as always, but I’m here by myself over the weekend so thought I’d poke my head in for the summit
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2016-05-27 at 11:46am UTC: can you dig up your first "like" post (likely in 2014? maybe 2013?) permalink and add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/like#Barnaby_Walters ? Thanks!
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Loqi barnabywalters: gRegorLove left you a message on 2016-05-31 at 3:39pm UTC: Do you still have a blogroll on your site somewhere? http://waterpigs.co.uk/contacts linked from /blogroll#IndieWeb_Examples is 404 currently
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Loqi barnabywalters: pfefferle left you a message on 2016-12-21 at 10:05pm UTC: can you please add me to the indieweb namespace on packagist.org?
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2016-12-23 at 6:06pm UTC: that FB like of like example is a little contrived, as the "likes Things with Faces" is more of a reworded "follow" since that "Things with Faces" is a community/page, and FB treats "like" there as meaning "send me updates".
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barnabywalters ha ha ha
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barnabywalters hi Loqi
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GWG barnabywalters: You are a few hours early for the Summit. Intros start in 3.5 hours
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barnabywalters no problem
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GWG I'm still on NY time, so I figured I'd continue with my location features
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barnabywalters I have a lot to catch up on anyway if I’m going to have any idea what people are talking about ;)
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jonnybarnes heloooo
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jonnybarnes so when does the summit actually start?
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jonnybarnes 3 1/2 hours, cool
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GWG Badges and breakfast in 2.5 hours, Intros in 3.5 hours
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@manton2 Excited to hear from everyone attending IndieWeb Summit in Portland this weekend. I’ll be in IRC/Slack. Hoping ... http://www.manton.org/2017/06/5378.html (twitter.com/_/status/878616144973897728)
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@aaronpk @manton2 You're welcome to join remotely as well! We'll have video and a remote link for each room: https://indieweb.org/2017#Remote_Participation (twitter.com/_/status/878616609199341568)
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[miklb] good morning everyone!
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jonnybarnes morning
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aaronpk Good morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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aaronpk It's almost time!
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[cleverdevil] I better force myself out of bed then. ?
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[cleverdevil] See everyone soon!
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[miklb] what time do demos start local time?
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aaronpk We're going to do some intro talks in the morning starting at 9:30, intros will probably be a couple hours after that
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[miklb] yes, intros is what I meant, thanks aaronpk
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sknebel What is current schedule?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/current_schedule
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@aaronpk Good morning #indieweb Summit! Looking forward to a packed day of demos and sessions and chatting with everyone! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/878629750473768960/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878629750473768960)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Colin Walker on the IndieWeb – Colin Devroe" by Michael Bishop on 2017-06-24 https://miklb.com/colin-walker-on-the-indieweb-colin-devroe/
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@IndieWebSummit Good morning! Make yourself a nametag when you get in! https://twitter.com/IndieWebSummit/status/878635319725137922/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878635319725137922)
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@macgenie I’m headed to IndieWeb Summit this morning. Looking forward to learning a lot! Hit me up for Micro .blog stickers and invites. (twitter.com/_/status/878637921515040769)
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Zegnat Good morning indieweb
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[markmhendrickso morning all!
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[markmhendrickso the seeds of a new plancast? hmmm http://markmhendrickson.com/plans/1
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sknebel good second morning Zegnat!
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[asteres] 'morning!
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Zegnat Thank you sknebel. I just rolled out of bed
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[markmhendrickso the webmentions firefox extension doesn't seem to work for me, anyone have a suggestion for how to manually send a webmention to RSVP easily?
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sknebel [markmhendrickso: https://telegraph.p3k.io
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Zegnat [markmhendrickso just earlier today I wondered why 2017.indieweb.org didn’t have a submit box on the page.
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[markmhendrickso @sknebel thanks! checking it out
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[markmhendrickso @Zegnat that'd be handy
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Zegnat The webmention endpoint is at https://2017.indieweb.org/webmention.php so manual works of course
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[markmhendrickso it seems the first session for remote participants starts in an hour? https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule
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[markmhendrickso @Zegnat that worked! partially...in that my link but not name shows up on the RSVP list now, not sure why that is
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[markmhendrickso it'd be nice if that parser (all parsers?) could parse rendered DOMs too... #grumble
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benwerd Good morning, indieweb!
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[apatters] Hello everyone! Just wanted to introduce myself. I reconnected with Tantek recently and was only slightly surprised when I learned he was involved in this Indie Web movement I've been reading about. I'm a newbie and don't even have a personal site at the moment but I've been reading indieweb.org and browsing the various Social WG specs and starting to wrap my head around everything. Looking forward to learning from everyone here ?
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Zegnat no name means no hcard. If by rendered DOM you mean post-javascript-DOM, yeah, that is a bit of a problem. You’d need to run a lot more than curl and a parser for that
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[markmhendrickso welcome apatters!
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[apatters] Oh and I'm remote from Bangkok, where it's already 11pm! zzzz
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barnabywalters morning benwerd
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Zegnat welcome apatters!
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/timbrown/status/878555598094204928
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@timbrown Just because people make fancy websites now doesn’t mean you can’t make plain old websites anymore. Plain old websites are pretty great. (twitter.com/_/status/878555598094204928)
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barnabywalters welcome [apatters]!
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Zegnat is glad he cane turn off his webcam feed and hide his bedhair
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[markmhendrickso kevinmarks i eat plain rice sometimes but that doesn't mean i don't prefer a full paella ?
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sknebel [markmhendrickso: yeah, your page doesn't have any author markup as far as I can tell, so it can't know your name
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[miklb] I would argue the analogy would be more, you can use an instapot to make rice, but that doesn’t mean you can’t just cook it on the stove top still.
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[markmhendrickso @Zegnat it seems a curl that could render DOMs would be handy / possible, i wonder if it exists
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tantek points Zegnat and [markmhendrickso to #indieweb-dev :)
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[markmhendrickso haha
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Loqi hehe
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[markmhendrickso i guess i can't complain too much if i haven't budgeted time to build it myself...
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aaronpk the Vidyo room is up for anyone who wants to join remotely! https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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benwerd Reflecting on 4 years of being part of the indieweb community. A lot has happened since I first turned up at IndieWebCamp. Changed my life. Fun to be back!
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[markmhendrickso miklb but it's a lot of work picking the rice out of a pre-made paella....or something like that ?
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@cleverdevil I have arrived at Mozilla Portland for the 2017 IndieWeb Summit. Huzzah! (https://cleverdevil.io/s/2huOuI) (twitter.com/_/status/878646319228833792)
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[markmhendrickso my face on the wall is huge
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[markmhendrickso feeling very wizard of oz
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Zegnat probably because both sknebel and I do not stream our cameras
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[miklb] markmhendrickson also, there is a lot of ways to screw up a paella && a pot of plain rice ?
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sknebel you guys are making me hungry
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[markmhendrickso miklb indeed ?
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Zegnat For people wanting to call in but on limited data, these settings burned less than 1GB on a 5 hour conference yesterday: https://imgur.com/a/gUdJm
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gRegorLove o/ Good morning from IWS
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Zegnat \o gRegorLove
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sknebel Vidyo << optimized settings for low data (< 1GB / 5h) https://imgur.com/a/gUdJm
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Loqi ok, I added "optimized settings for low data (< 1GB / 5h) https://imgur.com/a/gUdJm" to the "See Also" section of /Vidyo
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barnabywalters wow, loqi learned some new tricks!
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gRegorLove Hey barnabywalters! Nice to see you again
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barnabywalters hi gRegorLove! likewise. thought I’d drop in for the summit and try to catch up a bit!
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[miklb] can you not change your display name once you connect?
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sknebel doesn't seem so
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GWG barnabywalters: We all want to 'see' more of you. Hope life permits
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[steed] Good morning IndieWebbers!
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[steed] …IndieWebonauts? indieWebbineers? indieWebniks? Anyway: hi.
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Zegnat Hiya [steed]!
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gRegorLove Hiya [steed]
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gRegorLove IndieWeb-sketeers
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dougbeal o/ [steed]
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Zegnat I thought we were the ragtag rebels? https://twitter.com/fletcher0xFF/status/877903709400948736
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@fletcher0xFF My tweet became part of an IRC discussion where ragtag #indieweb rebels plot their next move. Viva la revolución! https://indieweb.org/irc/2017-06-21 (twitter.com/_/status/877903709400948736)
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benwerd What's our hashtag for the summit? #indiewebsummit? #indieweb?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Checked into Mozilla Portland" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/checked-into-mozilla-portland
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Zegnat Good question! tantek aaronpk ^^^
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[miklb] #iws2017 ?
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benwerd Aw, superfeedr. I wish Julien was here.
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Zegnat Anything using #indieweb will definitely be copied into the chat (and logs) by Loqi, so there is that :)
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gRegorLove +1 #iws2017
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning indiewebz!
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Zegnat Good morning [chrisaldrich]!
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[cleverdevil] waves
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[cleverdevil] I thought you were going to be here in PDX, chrisaldrich!
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil I put in an offer on a house that got accepted and had to stay for inspections and a mound of paperwork to get the ball rolling. Just listed my current house yesterday.
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[cleverdevil] Oh wow, congrats ?
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[chrisaldrich] Had to cancel the trip as a result, but hoping I can be around for portions of today and tomorrow despite the new headaches.
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aaronpk quickly adds #iws2017 to the search
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[cleverdevil] Well, I'll represent LA as best as I can.
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[asteres] woo LA contingent
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[chrisaldrich] asteres Looks like he's around to rep LA too!
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[miklb] anyone remote in from Florida?
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]: Is your IWS project a homepage for your house listing?
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[asteres] congrats on the house chrisaldrich !
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove, that was actually one of the first things I thought! I registered a domain, but I'm so swamped with everything else dev is going to have to take a back seat...
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Zegnat has a Facebook Page for the house he lives in
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[chrisaldrich] I've got 10 contractors at the house this morning already doing cleanup
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[chrisaldrich] What is real estate?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "real estate" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat, do you use it for checkins?
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[miklb] maybe relative https://www.allmytweets.net/connect/
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], yes. And we toyed with it as a portal for selling the house too
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Zegnat I would show it, but I am not sure I want that Facebook link logged
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[chrisaldrich] #chat
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[chrisaldrich] My first thoughts for a house domain were about privacy. Even the photos in the house listing had more private stuff than I would have liked.
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sknebel calumryan: mute your mic?
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[chrisaldrich] Sadly, I didn't have time to get everything I wanted out before we did photos for the listing on Thursday.
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[cleverdevil] Was talking to a guy at HostingCon this year who operates a real estate hosting business.
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[cleverdevil] Its big money!
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Zegnat Privacy is shot in Sweden. Just my name gets you my address and national ID number, from that you can get my grades, income, etc.
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Zegnat So I am not overly worried about my address :p
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[cleverdevil] They partner with the major brokers and generate these crappy little static websites with address domains.
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[cleverdevil] They also pre-buy domains based upon real estate activity with addresses.
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[cleverdevil] Creeeeeeepy.
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[chrisaldrich] I started a conversation with our realtor, but had to put a pin in it to get things moving with the purchase side before worrying too much about the selling side.
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[cleverdevil] They charge the real estate agents something like $1,000 to create these sites and get the domains.
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[chrisaldrich] Wow! I know what business I'm going to get into now...
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[miklb] I’ve always wondered what life without ethics would be like
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[kevinmarks] Our realtor used a crappy slideshow service, so I bought a domain and my son made a better video
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[cleverdevil] The explosion of new TLDs is "the biggest threat" to their business, apparently.
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[cleverdevil] Because its entirely predicated on their ability to squat on the .com/.net for addresses.
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[cleverdevil] Gross gross gross.
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[kevinmarks] That's what the house tld was for
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[cleverdevil] Indeed.
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Zegnat I thought the house tld was solely there for the one person who grabbed dr.house
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[kevinmarks] Hmm, should I transfer the domain to the lesson I should the house to?
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[kevinmarks] I got 1612koch.com easily enough
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[cleverdevil] I've thought about having a domain for my house to use for connected devices.
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[cleverdevil] I already have a local DNS server for my home network.
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aaronpk meee tooo
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[cleverdevil] And it's got a fake domain there.
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aaronpk but first i want a small CMS I can use to host the stuff for it
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[cleverdevil] I've got a little Synology that I run everything off locally at the house, its great.
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[cleverdevil] Its even got a package center with popular open source apps that you can install, like WordPress.
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[cleverdevil] But, you said "small CMS."
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@MichelleJLevine Spending the weekend at mozilla for #indieweb excitingness! ???? https://www.instagram.com/p/BVusd7AhJSU/ https://twitter.com/MichelleJLevine/status/878656329837154306/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878656329837154306)
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[chrisaldrich] I have an indieweb site for the Little Free Library in front of the house. Not sure if I have time for one for the house.
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[miklb] is a small CMS a CMS you haven’t started customizing yet?
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps I'll do one for the one I'm moving into...
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[chrisaldrich] miklb lol!
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aaronpk hey everyone on the livestream, feel free to enable your camera so we can see you!
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[miklb] I’m on the big board!
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[chrisaldrich] Looks like we lost the video feed from the main room....
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Desirability: will the dog eat the dogfood? Viability: will the dog hunt? Feasibility: can we build the dog? Selfdogfood: the dog is you. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/desirability-will-the-dog-eat-the-dogfoodviability-will-the-dog
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[apatters] Will this be streamed on the Youtube channel as well?
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aaronpk yep
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[chrisaldrich] Though as I recall, some of the session rooms may not be archived via video correct?
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Zegnat Plan is to stream the main room to YouTube as well. All session rooms have Vidyo access but will not stream to youtube.
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Zegnat Might be that only the YouTube stream gets archived, yes, [chrisaldrich]
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sknebel and if vidyo records is unknown
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aaronpk we are trying to record the breakouts but they will not be on youtube immediately
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gRegorLove 5 minutes until IWS 2017!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-24 10:04am PDT (#6030)
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Zegnat T-5 minutes
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@schnarfed Excited to be at @IndieWebSummit this weekend! https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/878659512202297348/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878659512202297348)
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@ChrisAldrich #IndieWeb Summit 2017 is about to stream some of the best the web has to offer. Details for chat & streaming: http://indieweb.org/2017 (twitter.com/_/status/878659665411928065)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#IndieWeb Summit 2017 is about to stream some of the best the web has to offer. Details for chat & streaming: http://indieweb.org/2017" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/indieweb-summit-2017-is-about-to-stream-some-of-the
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Desirability: will the dog eat the dogfood? Viability: will the dog hunt? Feasibility: can we build the dog? Selfdogfood: the dog is you. #indieweb" by Douglas Beal on 2017-06-24 https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/24/desirability-will-the-dog-eat-the-dogfood-viability-will-the-dog-hunt-feasibility-can-we-build-the-dog-selfdogfood-the-dog-is-you-indieweb/
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Zegnat Some of us are going to (very) actively try and write down what is happening here in chat.
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Zegnat So if you can't watch the stream you can read along.
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Zegnat This does mean that chat might turn a little one sided, as answering questions while note taking is hard.
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Zegnat End of small PSA.
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Loqi IWS 2017!
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aaronpk Loqi has spoken!
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schmarty So Shall It Be!
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[chrisaldrich] BTW, if anyone considering live-tweeting noterlive.com /noterlive is a great indie tool for that.
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[chrisaldrich] All hail Loqi!
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@benwerd At #indieweb Summit 2017 here in Portland. So many amazing people - but very much missing @kevinmarks and @kylewmahan. #iws2017 (twitter.com/_/status/878660592055324677)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "At #indieweb Summit 2017 here in Portland. So many amazing people - but very much missing @kevinmarks and @kylewmahan. #iws2017" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/at-indieweb-summit-2017-here-in-portland-so-many-amazing
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benwerd I wrote a blog post for the International News Media Association about why media companies need to get into the indieweb, and I'm bummed it hasn't been published by today :( Would have been nice to draw attention to this event.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "❤️????" on 2017-06-24 https://kylewm.com/2017/06/untitled
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@schmarty About to kick things off at #IndieWebSummit https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/878661401400811520/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878661401400811520)
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[miklb] what’s the link for youtube?
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Zegnat YouTube isn’t online yet ..?
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aaronpk Should be going now
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Zegnat Not seeing it on the IndieWebCamp channel, aaronpk
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gRegorLove https://youtube.com/indiewebcamp will have the livestream shortly
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aaronpk ah it was marked private
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Zegnat [miklb]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM
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gRegorLove Apparnetly I'm the designated question-answerer, so send me your Qs about the stream/schedule/whatever and I'll try to A them
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[miklb] nice. Watching intro on the big screen now.
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sknebel stream is weirdly still not on /live
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM
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@benwerd A room full of people writing software involving chickens, is how I understand this event. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878662421358968832/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878662421358968832)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A room full of people writing software involving chickens, is how I understand this event. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/a-room-full-of-people-writing-software-involving-chickens-is
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jonnybarnes so how live is this stream?
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[miklb] seems pretty real time to me
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jonnybarnes cool
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gRegorLove aaronpk is up, goodmorning everyone
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[asteres] good morning!
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[chrisaldrich] Is vidyo video not working? I can see video on youtube.
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[asteres] vidyo is working fine for me
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gRegorLove tantek giving overview of schedule
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Zegnat Vidyo is semi broken for me it seems. Recalling
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule will be an active page today
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@autiomaa @benwerd Have liked a lot the #indieweb docs in the past. A lot of good ideas. (twitter.com/_/status/878663404931735552)
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[kevinmarks] It's weirdly more difficult to timeswitch this way - it's family dinner time, whereas going from CA to uk/Germany I just stayed up really late
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@jimpick Indieweb Summit! And breakfast burritos! https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/878663611274510336/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878663611274510336)
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[chrisaldrich] I'll reset. For those watching the youtube, there's a several second delay compared to vidyo
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jonnybarnes I can’t hear dave on youtube
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jonnybarnes is it dave?
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GWG David, but yes
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jonnybarnes working now
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jonnybarnes hearing marty
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@holden Hanging out at #indiewebcamp, introductions getting started. (twitter.com/_/status/878664137869479937)
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Zegnat benwerd talking about SF organisation of IWC and HWC
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gRegorLove leaders introductions, people who have organized HWC, IWC
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Zegnat Was that snarled with the toddler?
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jonnybarnes was that snarfed?
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gRegorLove GWG, schmarty, gRegorLove, benwerd, snarfed
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gRegorLove Yeah, that was snarfed
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Zegnat Calum on call, should he not introduce? ;)
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gRegorLove and Victoria from Mozilla
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@benwerd If only there was a way to share portions of the #indieweb audio newsletter ... cc @jimpick (twitter.com/_/status/878664642805067777)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "If only there was a way to share portions of the #indieweb audio newsletter ... cc @jimpick" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/if-only-there-was-a-way-to-share-portions-of
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Zegnat going through /code-of-conduct now
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gRegorLove Code of Conduct https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct
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[chrisaldrich] if people can get into chat early, there are lots of us remotely who can help without disrupting what's happening in the room live as well.
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@holden The #indieweb code of conduct is here: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct (twitter.com/_/status/878664966877753344)
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@benwerd If you've got a problem, yo, I'll solve it; check out the code while our organizers resolve it. #codeofconduct #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878664989984403457)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "If you've got a problem, yo, I'll solve it; check out the code while our organizers resolve it. #codeofconduct #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/if-youve-got-a-problem-yo-ill-solve-it-check
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gRegorLove Mozilla Community Participation Guidelines https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/participation/
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@cleverdevil Introductions to all of the wonderful global organizers for @IndieWebCamp followed by a CoC review! ?? #IWS2017 (https://cleverdevil.io/s/1sY72b) (twitter.com/_/status/878665028848803841)
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gRegorLove benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 108 karma in this channel (133 overall)
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@benwerd In all seriousness, every event should have a solid code of conduct. #indieweb Summit's is good. https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct (twitter.com/_/status/878665331874516992)
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j12t "Developers Who Use Spaces Make More Money Than Those Who Use Tabs" https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/Developers
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Loqi https://stackoverflow.blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/a.png
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@anomalily About to give a keynote talk on "a brief history of my website" at @indiewebcamp summit. Thx for hosting @MozPDX! https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/878665458907365376/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878665458907365376)
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[chrisaldrich] IndieWebCamp on Slack
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/discuss has more information, also for Matrix users :)
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benwerd I am choosing to eschew both tabs and spaces and just use taco emoji for indentation.
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gRegorLove tantek points us to /2017 for info, /discuss for chat options
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gRegorLove o/ room
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BigShip benwerd++
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sknebel hi SF!
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gRegorLove hello to remote people!
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@sl007 ? #IndieWeb people, kick it and have ? ... – ? ? ? ? ? ? ✨?️? ? https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/878659665411928065 (twitter.com/_/status/878665839414738944)
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[miklb] ?
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@holden Chat log of #indieweb https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-06-24#bottom (twitter.com/_/status/878666057229099009)
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Zegnat Important rule: talk to organisers with any questions!
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[johnallsopp] ?
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@jimpick IndieWeb Summit LiveStream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM (twitter.com/_/status/878666220781817856)
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Zegnat Same goes for here on the chat channels :)
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gRegorLove first keynote...
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strugee benwerd++
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Zegnat Moving into the first keynote, aaronpk now
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gRegorLove aaronpk "What is the IndieWeb"
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gRegorLove ...does the thought of using FB the rest of your life make you uncomfortable?
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gRegorLove ...showing logos of sites that have shutdown, older and more recently
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@benwerd "Does the thought of using Facebook for the rest of your life make you uncomfortable?" @aaronpk #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878666525976260609/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878666525976260609)
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@sl007 Ich mag das @YouTube-Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM&feature=youtu.be&a= Keynotes - IndieWeb Summit 2017 (twitter.com/_/status/878666537158279170)
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""Does the thought of using Facebook for the rest of your life make you uncomfortable?" @aaronpk #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/does-the-thought-of-using-facebook-for-the-rest-of
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gRegorLove ... even before they shut down they limit what you can do, e.g. twitter closing down their API more
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gRegorLove ... services can do surprising things with your data that you didn't expect
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Zegnat Mastodon and diaspora being shown as examples of community servers with free software that work as a replacement
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Zegnat Micro.blog shown as one that specifically isn't;t free and will hopefully thus stick around longer
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gRegorLove ... Mastodon, micro.blog (paid model), or host your own. CMS, static site generator...
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Zegnat WordPress and Known shown as CMS', static generators shown
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benwerd Although I hear Known had some kind of business model *cough*
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benwerd (It did not work. AMA)
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[chrisaldrich] benwerd++
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[cleverdevil] LOL
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Zegnat Or build from scratch (aaronpk showing screenshots of features he implemented on his websites)
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gRegorLove ... showing aaronpk's site incl replies across sites
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gRegorLove ... publishes bike rides
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[chrisaldrich] I think jeanmacdonald is at IWS this weekend and *may* have invites for micro.blog....
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Zegnat bike rides: he can do it, it is his website, so he does it
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gRegorLove ... even when we're using different sites and tools, we can still talk online
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gRegorLove ... shows reply to barnabywalters, shows up as comments, totally different software running their sites
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@t Good morning #IndieWeb Summit! Welcome! See Code of Conduct, @Mozilla Community Participation Guidelines: ... http://tantek.com/2017/175/t1 (twitter.com/_/status/878667266413514752)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Good morning #IndieWeb Summit! Welcome! See Code of Conduct, @Mozilla Community Participation Guidelines: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/participation/" on 2017-06-24 http://tantek.com/2017/175/t1/indieweb-summit-welcome-code-guidelines
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gRegorLove ... can still talk to people on twitter and fb
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/POSSE and https://indieweb.org/PESOS
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gRegorLove ... interactions on silos get backfed to his site
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@benwerd Aaron posts discussions, activity tracking, events and quantified self data on his own site at https://aaronparecki.com/. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878667381504999426)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Aaron posts discussions, activity tracking, events and quantified self data on his own site at https://aaronparecki.com/. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/aaron-posts-discussions-activity-tracking-events-and-quantified-self-data
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@miklb Catching IndieWebSummit remotely #IWS2017 https://twitter.com/miklb/status/878667415227424768/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878667415227424768)
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gRegorLove ... shows building blocks webmention, micropub, websub
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Zegnat Wemention, Micropub and WebSub shown
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gRegorLove ... build for yourself
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gRegorLove ... something you want to build. ux and design are more important than protocols
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Zegnat rundown of https://indieweb.org/principles
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gRegorLove ... modularity, lots of small building blocks
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[steed] jeanmacdonald is indeed here, and does in fact have said invites. She’s at the tall table next to the name badge station.
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning peteforsyth!
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gRegorLove ... plurality of projects is really important.
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gRegorLove ... more diverse implementations rather than everyone adopting one system
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@benwerd #indieweb principles: Make your site for you, on your terms Human experience before tech Easy-to-use building blocks A plurality of projects (twitter.com/_/status/878667833311363072)
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gRegorLove ... another 7 or so principles on the wiki. Homework to read them ;)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#indieweb principles: Make your site for you, on your terms Human experience before tech Easy-to-use building blocks A plurality of projects" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/indieweb-principlesmake-your-site-for-you-on-your-termshuman-experience
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Zegnat End of the quick intro what the indie web is
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Zegnat Back to tantek
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gRegorLove tantek up for "State of the IndieWeb"
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[steed] Can someone post the link to the stream in here please.
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[peteforsyth] hi chrisaldrich !
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jonnybarnes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM
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[steed] Also, aaronpk is there a wifi password you can share with those of us in the room?
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gRegorLove ... the pastt year of indieweb
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gRegorLove ... amazing 7th year
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Zegnat indieweb.org/2017/state-of-indieweb
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gRegorLove Notes on https://indieweb.org/2017/state-of-indieweb
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dougbeal [steed]: Mozilla Guest? didn't need a pw
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: What's on the hat?
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gRegorLove ... shows indieweb.org, name change from indiewebcamp.com
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gRegorLove ... domain changed last year, homepage redesigned
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[chrisaldrich] steed You can also join on vidyo at https://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo (the audio is a few seconds quicker)
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gRegorLove ... shows 11 principles
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Zegnat homepage now focuses on people staring in control themselves
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@benwerd "You are in control." @t says it's been an amazing seventh year of #indieweb. https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878668448762662912/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878668448762662912)
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""You are in control." @t says it's been an amazing seventh year of #indieweb." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/you-are-in-control-t-says-its-been-an-amazing
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Zegnat push for open sourcing and documentation
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sl007 steed The Youtube link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM
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gRegorLove ... showing some articles about the indieweb
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gRegorLove ... shows http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/
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gRegorLove ... and https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/01/05/its-more-than-just-the-words/
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@benwerd Sounds good to me. #indieweb http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/878668859183697920)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Sounds good to me. #indieweb http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/sounds-good-to-me-indieweb-20161120fix-the-internet
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gRegorLove (aaronpk's slides are here: http://slides.aaronparecki.com/2017/indieweb-summit/)
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gRegorLove ... growing awarness hitting meeting outlets, recognizing indieweb as a movement
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gRegorLove *media outlets
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gRegorLove ... 100 days projects
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sl007 raising hand, will do
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gRegorLove ... aaronpk did 100 days of indieweb, 100 indieweb related developments
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gRegorLove ... also did 100 days of music
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gRegorLove ... tantek tried 100 days of positive posts
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gRegorLove ... doesn't have tags on his site, but can show hashtag search on twitter
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@ChrisAldrich .@vboykis was just mentioned in the State of the #IndieWeb keynote speech. http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/878669343214764034)
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Loqi [superfeedr] ".@vboykis was just mentioned in the State of the #IndieWeb keynote speech. http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/vboykis-was-just-mentioned-in-the-state-of-the-indieweb
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@benwerd Controlling your own identity online goes hand in hand with building a more respectful internet. #indieweb https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (twitter.com/_/status/878669361497735168)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Controlling your own identity online goes hand in hand with building a more respectful internet. #indieweb https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/controlling-your-own-identity-online-goes-hand-in-hand-with
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sl007 Summary : https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb
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gRegorLove ... community, new IWC Bham. Nuremberrg part of first ever IndieWeb Week
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gRegorLove ... shows Julie's post about IndieWeb Week
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gRegorLove ... weekend goals: best the Nuremburg IWC gif :)
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[miklb] JIF???
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[cleverdevil] Time to shame tantek for his pronunciation.
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gRegorLove Lulz, thats for #indieweb-meta
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[cleverdevil] Though, that may be a CoC violation.
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[miklb] heh
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Zegnat Hopefully we will have video of every session this event
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gRegorLove ... bunch of new HWC cities. Baltimore, Bellingham
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benwerd Everyone knows it's pronounced "khiff"
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gRegorLove Zhaiff
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Zegnat All sessions are available through Vidyo if you want to join. Fingers crossed for video archives afterwards.
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gRegorLove ... see /hwc for list of cities and their current status
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gRegorLove ... last year we went from 1 to 2 channels
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[cleverdevil] http://generoussavings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/jif-peanut-butter.jpg
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[cleverdevil] I like my JIFs creamy.
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j_juran :-D
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[chrisaldrich] Some of those news articles tantek just showed can be found and read at http://indieweb.org/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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gRegorLove (nerds, please! :) )
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[kevinmarks] But that's a gpeg
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[cleverdevil] kevinmarks++
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gRegorLove ... we now have #indieweb-meta (IRC) #meta (Slack)
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil there's a #meta channel for that...
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[cleverdevil] OK, OK.
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gRegorLove ... and #indieweb-wordpress and #wordpress
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gRegorLove ... Webmention now W3 Rec
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gRegorLove ... Micropub as well
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[jeanmacdonald] I'm in the back with stickers and Micro.blog invite codes. https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5Z226KHQ/i_m_in_the_back_with_stickers_and_micro.blog_invite_codes._.jpg?pub_secret=91a3a03ade&name=I'm in the back with stickers and Micro.blog invite codes. .jpg
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[jeanmacdonald] Hi chrisaldrich
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gRegorLove ... WebSub W3 CR
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[cleverdevil] Oooh, shiny jeanmacdonald!
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[cleverdevil] I wants one!
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gRegorLove ... please submit implementation reports for Websub
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schmarty those are great stickers!
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[miklb] downside of remote participation
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[miklb] no stickers ?
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@benwerd Webmention, a lightweight spec for social interactions across websites, is now a W3C recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/878670558577250309)
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gRegorLove ... /post-type-discovery for determining type of response
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Webmention, a lightweight spec for social interactions across websites, is now a W3C recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/webmention-a-lightweight-spec-for-social-interactions-across-websites-is
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gRegorLove ... /Vouch still being iterated
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@benwerd Micropub, a lightweight, standard API for publishing to any website, is also now a W3C recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/878670732087222272)
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[jeanmacdonald] miklb: Send SASE? ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Micropub, a lightweight, standard API for publishing to any website, is also now a W3C recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/micropub-a-lightweight-standard-api-for-publishing-to-any-website
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gRegorLove ... ben_thatmustbeme has been documenting and advocating for usage of indieweb standards / protocols in other software
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gRegorLove ... GNUSocial now supports /mf2
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil could you bring some stickers back to LA for me? esp micro.blog!
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@benwerd Websub, the publish/subscribe protocol formerly known as pubsubhubbub, is a W3C candidate recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/ (twitter.com/_/status/878670901813923841)
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gRegorLove ... growing the set of sites that can be part of the indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Websub, the publish/subscribe protocol formerly known as pubsubhubbub, is a W3C candidate recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/websub-the-publishsubscribe-protocol-formerly-known-as-pubsubhubbub-is-a
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gRegorLove ... micro.blog launched after successful fundraiser
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich yes! I'm on it.
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gRegorLove ... first service that launched with /RSS support and /JSONfeed and /mf2
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gRegorLove ... and WebSub support
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@benwerd Webmention, micropub and websub are huge, and simple to integrate, ingredients for adding social functionality to the web itself. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878671085063086080)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Webmention, micropub and websub are huge, and simple to integrate, ingredients for adding social functionality to the web itself. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/webmention-micropub-and-websub-are-huge-and-simple-to-integrate
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gRegorLove ... instead of coming up with their own proprietary api, launched with MicroPub as their api
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gRegorLove ... ships clients that support micropub
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Zegnat Important precedent, shows that you don’t need proprietary APIs!
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gRegorLove ... this is new, has never happened before
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j_juran applauds
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[miklb] manton++
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eli_oat manton++
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eli_oat !!!
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gRegorLove ... website verification, micro.blog using rel=me to verify account and website
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@cleverdevil https://micro.blog/ is getting a lot of love in @t's keynote at #IWS2017 for launching #IndieWeb native. (https://cleverdevil.io/s/KNFeT) (twitter.com/_/status/878671317918154758)
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gRegorLove ... many more WP plugins that support the indieweb. Existing plugins polished and published to WP directory
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gRegorLove ... WP core contributors have noticed indieweb and started adopting
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gRegorLove ... Bryan Kraft (sp?) added indieweb in about a day
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Zegnat https://kraft.blog/
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gRegorLove ... quickly having dialogue with people across websites
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gRegorLove ... it's easier than ever to get started using CMSes
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Zegnat We have been very develop centric
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gRegorLove ... we've been very dev centric for years, but this year we hope to bring in a whole new /generation
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Zegnat This year we have what it takes to bring in people who are interested in content more than code
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gRegorLove anomalily up to talk about her website
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benwerd cleverdevil: if I was linking to Dreamhost in the Known readme, which URL would be best?
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gRegorLove ... http://anomalily.net/
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gRegorLove ... always loved making websites, started in mid-90s
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gRegorLove ... incredibly lucky to have parents that taught her HTML and CSS
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Zegnat “learning PHP includes when they came out”
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gRegorLove ... enjoyed the art of putting something together from text and making something pretty
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[cleverdevil] benwerd https://dreamhost.com is fine.
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[chrisaldrich] Welcome to the party mikecaulfield; details for the current live stream can be found here: http://indieweb.org/2017
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gRegorLove ... hosted the largest Placebo (band) fan site in the 90s
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[cleverdevil] only note: DreamHost, not Dreamhost.
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[cleverdevil] "hashtag branding"
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Zegnat big into the community of the early web
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gRegorLove ... anyone remember webrings? (applause)
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Zegnat before social networks
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[chrisaldrich] This is certainly the room to mention /webrings...
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Zegnat (ping petermolnar: webrings!)
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[chrisaldrich] note: ping != webring
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A wonderful #indieweb moment as @anomalily talks through the history of her website at http://anomalily.net" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/a-wonderful-indieweb-moment-as-anomalily-talks-through-the-history
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@benwerd A wonderful #indieweb moment as @anomalily talks through the history of her website at http://anomalily.net https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878672492755390470/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878672492755390470)
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@ckhonson At @indiewebcamp summit in Portland! Really excellent crowd here. (twitter.com/_/status/878672556382797825)
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gRegorLove ... then FB happen (dun Dun DUN)
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benwerd cleverdevil: thumbs up
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], I know, I needed to ping peter specifically ;)
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[cleverdevil] True story: DreamHost founder Sage Weil created WebRing, sold it, and used the money to found DreamHost with three of his college buddies.
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat, I was just making a pun...
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gRegorLove ... showing older versions of her website
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@apatters Watch the IndieWeb Summit live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM #indieweb #iws2017 (twitter.com/_/status/878672764730658816)
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gRegorLove ... early-mid 2000s most of the content on her page was links out to other networks like tumblr, flickr, etc.
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gRegorLove ... "I am not a developer"
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@MitchKiah Getting off to a great start at #indieweb 2017! Watch it live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM (twitter.com/_/status/878672964199133185)
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gRegorLove ... essentially a markup maven, but no time/desire to set up databases, php, etc.
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Zegnat Completely capable of using a CMS, but not building them.
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Zegnat Still has a website
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gRegorLove ... amber case made this illustration of /generations
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gRegorLove ... Lily is firmly in gen2
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Zegnat “Not afraid of cPanel but won’t touch Ruby with a ten foor pole”
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Zegnat As Facebook took over, posted less and less on her own website
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gRegorLove ... despite having a site for 20 years, but as FB took over she posted less and less
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gRegorLove ... in 2014 she began impl indieweb tech and she started posting more and more
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@benwerd Says @anomalily: "I am not a developer". But she's been building and hosting her own website, on her terms, for 20 years. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878673383243821056)
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Zegnat Communities she interacted with had moved to the social networks
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gRegorLove ... showing internet archive crawls of her site over the years
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Says @anomalily: "I am not a developer". But she's been building and hosting her own website, on her terms, for 20 years. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/says-anomalily-i-am-not-a-developer-but-shes-been
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gRegorLove ... obsessed with data, being able to look back at things.
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sebsel anomalily++
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Zegnat so no reason to have stuff on her own site, except as having a identity that comes up when people Google her name
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gRegorLove ... makes an annual report in zine format
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gRegorLove ... ever tried to search for something you posted January last year? It's miserable in the FB timeline
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benwerd anomalily++
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gRegorLove (worse in Twitter -- my note)
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Zegnat (Sidenote: Facebook, btw, has per-month jumping on the timeline)
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[mikecaulfield] thx chrisaldrich -- I'm actually in the back of the PDX room
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Zegnat (I am with gRegorLove, Twitter is way worse)
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gRegorLove (Yeah, FB timeline jumps are pretty good now)
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Zegnat anomalily is a visual person and wants to be able to mess with presentation
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@benwerd "I want to document that I made it." @anomalily wants to host her own work, and attach to her identity, so she can show it's hers. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878673806222602244)
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[cleverdevil] Facebook deals in memories as a way to trigger its users to remain active.
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""I want to document that I made it." @anomalily wants to host her own work, and attach to her identity, so she can show it's" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/i-want-to-document-that-i-made-it-anomalily-wants
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gRegorLove ... being able to prove that she created something on her site first is important for copyright related things
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Zegnat monetisation has to be able to be done in her way
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[chrisaldrich] mikecaulfield, even better. I figured most of those joining chat for the first time are coming in from remote.
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gRegorLove ... wants to monetize her own way
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schmarty (haha, are we "well actually"ing whether facebook archives are hard to use?)
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[cleverdevil] Part of their surveillance capitalism.
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Loqi ahahaha
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Zegnat especially the if and when for monitisation
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gRegorLove ... how is someone who is not a dev take their sh** back from FB
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Zegnat (schmarty, sure, when I know I posted it in January of 2015, i can actually find it in FB)
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@benwerd "I want to monetize *my* way [...] So, how does someone who's not a developer take her shit back from Facebook?" @anomalily #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878674066688921600)
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""I want to monetize *my* way [...] So, how does someone who's not a developer take her shit back from Facebook?" @anomalily #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/i-want-to-monetize-my-way-so-how-does-someone
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gRegorLove ... uses WP because it's the most customizable of the non-dev options
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gRegorLove ... in 2014 there weren't many WP indieweb plugins
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gRegorLove ... 2015 things grew, IndieWeb plugin as a package of plugins
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@benwerd WordPress is still the most customizable way for non-developers to host their own websites. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878674378468327425)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "WordPress is still the most customizable way for non-developers to host their own websites. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/wordpress-is-still-the-most-customizable-way-for-non-developers-to
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@Johannes_Ernst @anomalily: “I want to monetize my content my way” is a good one. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878674401125818369)
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[chrisaldrich] What is snap?
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Loqi SNAP or alternately Social Network Auto Poster is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
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@cleverdevil Now @anomalily is sharing how she uses @WordPress as a great way to be a part of the #IndieWeb @IWS2017. (https://cleverdevil.io/s/94aNp) (twitter.com/_/status/878674554243219456)
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[mikecaulfield] anomalily I am loving your presentation but have to go move the car in a minute (2 hour parking) -- apologies if I walk out!
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Loqi Zegnat should have updated /discuss based on chat around 12:20 CEST
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Loqi Countdown set by Zegnat on 2017-06-24 at 1:01pm CEST
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Zegnat Using nextscripts for pushing to other sites
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Zegnat What is nextscripts?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nextscripts" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove ... blog post looks pretty normal, but has syndication links to POSSE copies
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@sl007 @Brinkbaeumer @SPIEGELONLINE @DerSPIEGEL An alle, die nicht schiffen: Der IndieWeb Summit ist auch live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM (twitter.com/_/status/878674723105853440)
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jonnybarnes ahh, pizza cooked (its dinner time here in the UK)
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jonnybarnes whats happened since the state of the indeiweb address
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gRegorLove ... uses bridgy for comments
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Zegnat WordPress will now link to copies of a post on other networks. WP lets her search the archive, and then easily get to the post on Facebook
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[peteforsyth] bridgy for comments
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@t Presented “State of the IndieWeb 2017” at #IndieWeb Summit! Notes and links to pages shown: https://indieweb.org/2017/state-of-indieweb (ttk.me t4p12) (twitter.com/_/status/878674843566301184)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Presented “State of the IndieWeb 2017” at #IndieWeb Summit! Notes and links to pages shown: https://indieweb.org/2017/state-of-indieweb" on 2017-06-24 http://tantek.com/2017/175/t2/state-of-the-indieweb
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gRegorLove ... it makes things look pretty and good and like there's an active community of commenters on her site, despite 90% of it comes from FB/Twitter
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[chrisaldrich] GWG++ for https://wordpress.org/plugins/syndication-links/
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Loqi gwg has 210 karma in this channel (240 overall)
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Loqi [David Shanske] Description It supports adding rel-syndication/u-syndication links to your posts, pages, and comments, indicating where a syndicated copy is. You can do this manually and some plugins support automatically adding their links as well. Settings Se...
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gRegorLove snarfed++ for bridgy
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[chrisaldrich] What is bridgy?
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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@benwerd Brid.gy is an awesome way to take silo comments (on Facebook and Twitter, etc) and host them on your site so you have them. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878675029583646721)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Brid.gy is an awesome way to take silo comments (on Facebook and Twitter, etc) and host them on your site so you have them. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/bridgy-is-an-awesome-way-to-take-silo-comments-on
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gRegorLove ... showing examples of likes and comments backfed to her site
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gRegorLove ... also does some /PESOS
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Zegnat nextscripts is https://wordpress.org/plugins/social-networks-auto-poster-facebook-twitter-g/
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Loqi ok
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[kevinmarks] Twitter is OK if you download your archive
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Loqi [NextScripts] Description This plugin automatically publishes posts from your blog to your Social Network accounts such as Facebook, Twitter, Google+(Google Plus), Blogger, Tumblr, Flickr, LiveJournal, Flipboard, Instagram, Telegram, DreamWidth, Delicious, Diigo...
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An aside: I've stopped displaying brid.gy webmentions publicly on my site at http://werd.io. Facebook friends were complaining. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/an-aside-ive-stopped-displaying-bridgy-webmentions-publicly-on-my
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gRegorLove ... did a "buyfocal" project for a year where she took photos of everything she bought
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[miklb] this is the best demo of IW I’ve seen
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gRegorLove ... posted to instagram and pulled the photos back to her site
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gRegorLove ... "accidental indieweb"
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[cleverdevil] "Accidental IndieWeb"
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Zegnat Used Instagram because it was “the best app for the problem”, compare to what Tantek used to do
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[cleverdevil] Love it.
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@sl007 @klischka IndieWeb Summit ist jetzt live und sehr gut : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPrXaBLYvM (twitter.com/_/status/878675320521490433)
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sebsel <3
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gRegorLove ... all checkins on 4sq/Swarm
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Zegnat Awesome WordPress developers!
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sebsel claps for the IndieWeb WP developers
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gRegorLove ... she's written zero lines of code for all of this
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gRegorLove ... let's hear it for the plugin devs who help gen2 people
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks in particular for pfefferle and GWG for /WordPress tools
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gRegorLove ... some problems from gen2 perspective
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Zegnat * I don’t really care about web standards
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gRegorLove ... doesn't care about web standards, but learns by osmosis
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Zegnat * When things break, where do I turn?
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gRegorLove ... people like her are never going to care we got W3 Rec
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Zegnat * Current documentation requires work to find
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gRegorLove ... things break... where do I turn?
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Zegnat * Problems with FB algos from POSSE-ing
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Zegnat * All posts using SNAP + Bridgy must be public
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gRegorLove ... 4sq checkins have a Google map but it's broken currently
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Zegnat * Unnerving reliance on people’s side projects
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Zegnat * New able to evangelize
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gRegorLove ... not an easy place to plug in as a gen2 person while feeling comfortable
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Zegnat s/New/Not/
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j_juran #indieweb-users?
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gRegorLove ... feels uncomfortable asking for help because devs volunteering their time
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Zegnat #indieweb should be the place for this already, and has a web portal (requires no IRC knowledge)
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sknebel part of why we add channels
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Zegnat (Zegnat: I think this is a presentation issue. #indieweb is very open to any questions)
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gRegorLove ... relying on good graces of gen1 to continue to be excited in order for her to keep using it
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gRegorLove ... wiki is not the most beautiful place in the world
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gRegorLove ... can be challenging for non-dev to come in and feel comfortable walking through the steps
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@cleverdevil Interesting insights from @anomalily re: being a "Generation 2" #IndieWeb participant. How can we Gen 1'ers enable… https://cleverdevil.io/2017/interesting-insights-from-anomalily-re-being-a-quotgeneration-2quot-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878676040247365637)
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gRegorLove ... possible turn off for gen2, lots of problems with FB POSSE... less likely to show up in feeds vs posting natively to FB
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@aaronpk Just gave a short lightning talk "What is the IndieWeb?" at #iws2017! Slides are here: http://slides.aaronparecki.com/2017/indieweb-summit/ https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/878676163484303360/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878676163484303360)
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gRegorLove ... to buse Bridgy / SNAP have to be public posts on FB
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tantek [one thing that helps with that is: person tags!]
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tantek [that makes your POSSE posts to FB show up in notifications for other people on FB]
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gRegorLove ... can be hard to create something private with current indieweb tools
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tantek [who then comment/like your post, which then pushes it into more people's feeds]
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gRegorLove ... know a ton of artists, people pushed off silos, who could really benefit but no good place to plug them in without handholding them through WP install
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@benwerd "There isn't a good funnel I can push people into." @anomalily making a very good case for much easier, friendlier #indieweb resources. (twitter.com/_/status/878676432553218048)
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""There isn't a good funnel I can push people into." @anomalily making a very good case for much easier, friendlier #indieweb resources." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/there-isnt-a-good-funnel-i-can-push-people-into
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gRegorLove ... FB real name policy pushing off marginalized people
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@Johannes_Ernst @anomalily challenges us to creating a user support and to-user marketing infrastructure for the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878676635003756544)
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@benwerd Worth saying: if you're helping people own their own content and monetize on their own terms, we should talk. #indieweb #imaninvestornow (twitter.com/_/status/878676638220910593)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Worth saying: if you're helping people own their own content and monetize on their own terms, we should talk. #indieweb #imaninvestornow" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/worth-saying-if-youre-helping-people-own-their-own-content
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gRegorLove ... huge potential... how do we get from gen2 to gen3? (open question, end of talk)
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sebsel anomalily++ :D
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gRegorLove Snarfed, aka Doctor Bridgy is up
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sebsel also
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Zegnat up next: snarfed
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sebsel gRegorLove++ for all the transcribing
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Loqi gregorlove has 100 karma in this channel (150 overall)
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Zegnat surprise presentation!
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sl007 anomalily++
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gRegorLove ... intermission music
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benwerd This > https://twitter.com/marypcbuk/status/878676756235988992
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@marypcbuk @benwerd and gives them far too much risk surface exposed for a non developer to understand and secure (twitter.com/_/status/878676756235988992)
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dougbeal snarfed++ bridgy!
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gRegorLove ... Ryan, snarfed.org
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Zegnat snarfed.org
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@benwerd This. #indieweb #opensource https://twitter.com/marypcbuk/status/878676756235988992 (twitter.com/_/status/878676948053966848)
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calumryan great talk! anomalily++
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gRegorLove ... if you don't take anything else away today, please donate to indieweb
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Zegnat shout-out for donations to the open collective
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gRegorLove ... already doing a ton by being here and part of the community, but if you have the means please donate
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Zegnat https://opencollective.com/indieweb
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gRegorLove What is opencollective?
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Loqi open collective is a service for collecting donations and transparently tracking how the money is used https://indieweb.org/opencollective
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gRegorLove Donate link is on there ^
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[chrisaldrich] anomalily has convinced me that it's time to write the complete guide to indieweb on wordpress.... (or as complete as is possible for gen2+)
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[cleverdevil] makes a note to pitch a monthly donation to IndieWeb to my DreamHost colleagues...
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calumryan feel there’s an between for gen1>gen2 typically some front-end developers
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gRegorLove ... been hacking on a new project
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed has huge amounts of trust in the community... he shouldn't be worrying....
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gRegorLove ... indie map
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gRegorLove ... obligatory decentralization slide
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@sl007 @anomalily @indiewebcamp @MozPDX Watched from germany : Nice piece! Thankyou. (twitter.com/_/status/878677385578729476)
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@benwerd Great opening from @schnarfed, encouraging people to contribute to keep #indieweb going. (I do.) https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878677388103733249/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878677388103733249)
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Zegnat (where does the XKCD link go?! WHERE!?)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Great opening from @schnarfed, encouraging people to contribute to keep #indieweb going. (I do.)" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/great-opening-from-schnarfed-encouraging-people-to-contribute-to-keep
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@macgenie I am so glad to be here at the #IndieWeb summit.. It’s a crash course in getting excited all over again about we ar… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/878677490444640256 (twitter.com/_/status/878677490444640256)
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gRegorLove ... some things hard to do decentralized: auth, search, social graph, data mining
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gRegorLove ... how do we build something new?
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gRegorLove ... just build something new, then have to get people to use it
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gRegorLove ... it takes usability, community development, marketing
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gRegorLove ... other way: go use what's there
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gRegorLove ... indieweb does this a lot. mf2, individual websites
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gRegorLove ... people are already linking to each other, replying, liking, rsvping
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gRegorLove ... all we have to do is go look at the links
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gRegorLove ... shows colinwalker's webmention directory
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Zegnat https://colinwalker.blog/directory/
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@anomalily @sl007 @indiewebcamp @MozPDX Was fun to see you again on screen Seb! (twitter.com/_/status/878678103471513600)
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gRegorLove ... common crawl is an open repository of crawl data
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@benwerd New to me: Common Crawl does a regular public crawl of the web and makes the data available to everyone. #indieweb https://commoncrawl.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/878678318903685120)
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gRegorLove ... how to identify an indieweb site when looking at crawl data
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tantek [note: common crawl added microformats2 support in the past year - still waiting for results of that]
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New to me: Common Crawl does a regular public crawl of the web and makes the data available to everyone. #indieweb https://commoncrawl.org/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/new-to-me-common-crawl-does-a-regular-public-crawl
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gRegorLove ... in spirit, anyone using their personal website as their identity online is indieweb in spirit
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Zegnat “Any web site that’s your primary online identity!” is indieweb
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@Johannes_Ernst Open web search repository Common Crawl: http://commoncrawl.org/ h/t @snarfed #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878678430933426176)
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gRegorLove ... in practice, need something can put into code
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gRegorLove ... if you have mf2 or /webmention or /micropub, will say you are indieweb for purposes of this project
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gRegorLove ... April 2017 crawl is very incomplete, has only 5 pages from tantek.com
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gRegorLove ... common crawl's goal is breadth not depth
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Zegnat because of breadth common crawl rarely crawls the same thing one month after the next
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gRegorLove ... inspired by post "Taco Bell Programming"
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Zegnat Ted Dziuba “Taco Bell Programming”
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gRegorLove ... they make a bunch of different dishes from 8 ingredient
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gRegorLove ... Unix tools have existed forever and are very powerful
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Zegnat (Possible URL: http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2010/10/taco-bell-programming.html)
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Zegnat snarfed shows 10 loc webcrawler
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gRegorLove ... shows 10 line shell script for his crawl
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gRegorLove ... next, go get sites to crawl
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tantek "not the best programmer" [lol. so much humble-dev at IWS]
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gRegorLove ... you log in with your domain to indieweb.org
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gRegorLove ... scraped 1500 URLs from the wiki
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tantek from /irc-users
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Zegnat “80 characters is god intended” (snarfed on length of a programming line)
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gRegorLove ... used every domain bridgy has sent wm to
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gRegorLove ... ran crawl on and off over months
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gRegorLove ... shows stats
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gRegorLove ... 2300 sites, 5.76M pages
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Zegnat crawl work measured by fan speed over time
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gRegorLove ... 706k pairwise links between sites, one way or the other
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@benwerd What's out there? @schnarfed built a web crawler in 15 lines of code and found 706K #indieweb social connections between independent sites. (twitter.com/_/status/878679705280446469)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "What's out there? @schnarfed built a web crawler in 15 lines of code and found 706K #indieweb social connections between independent sites." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/whats-out-there-schnarfed-built-a-web-crawler-in-15
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gRegorLove ... museum-digital.de 34k artifacts, 84 museums, mf2 markup
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tantek amazing actual raw data
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gRegorLove ... list of other interesting sites, like huffduffer (see slides)
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gRegorLove ... for each site: number of links out, in.
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gRegorLove ... shows data for snarfed.org
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@PeteForsyth Great to hear a mention of @commoncrawl at #indieweb Camp, by @schnarfed. Note to self, explore brid.gy! (twitter.com/_/status/878680088224579584)
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gRegorLove ... counts in-reply-to links, likes, other
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gRegorLove ... shows scoring algorithm
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gRegorLove ... VISUALIZATION DEMO
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Zegnat LIVE DEMO
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gRegorLove ... shows indieweb social graph
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Zegnat Don’t burn down all the things
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gRegorLove ... hover over someone, see just the people they link to
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sebsel this is great
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gRegorLove ... shows map of just people who RSVPed and are here today
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gRegorLove ... link will be posted later so we can play with it
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[chrisaldrich] needs to get rid of www. in front of my site there...
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gRegorLove ... visualization is not snarfeds, some other tool (missed the name)
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gRegorLove ... so we haz a social graph
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j_juran URL?
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gRegorLove (URL coming later)
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gRegorLove ... now data mining!
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gRegorLove ... threw data into BigQuery
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tantek great generated indieweb social graph map from snarfed!
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@benwerd Cool! @schnarfed visualized the entire #indieweb. Here's the graph just showing Summit attendees. https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878680816586551298/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878680816586551298)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Cool! @schnarfed visualized the entire #indieweb. Here's the graph just showing Summit attendees." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/cool-schnarfed-visualized-the-entire-indieweb-heres-the-graph-just
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tantek benwerd++
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tantek snarfed++
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gRegorLove ... shows typing in SQL to query data
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tantek FYI question from Lilly - how do I change my favicon in the social graph map?
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@schmarty Amazing #IndieWeb social graph project by @schnarfed! http://www.indiemap.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/878681047960965121)
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tantek Answer: it comes from your hCard, then social graph, then twitter cards
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tantek ^^^ that domain was not taken?!?!?
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Zegnat http://www.indiemap.org/
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML + mf2. Social graph API and interactive map...
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@benwerd Extremely cool. Here's the entire #indieweb social graph of independent websites as queryable data. http://www.indiemap.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/878681296024809473)
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gRegorLove ... looking at rel-me values
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Extremely cool. Here's the entire #indieweb social graph of independent websites as queryable data. http://www.indiemap.org/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/extremely-cool-heres-the-entire-indieweb-social-graph-of-independent
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gRegorLove ... how many to Twitter v FB v other sites
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gRegorLove ... Lot of Twitter, Github, surprising number of g+!
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Zegnat More Google Plus than Facebook rel="me" ... see what happens after cutting off www.
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Zegnat Google still winning over Facebook!
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gRegorLove ... shows rowchart visualization
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gRegorLove ... data mining demo
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gRegorLove ... Ton of hufduffer pages, didn't even get to the end.
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gRegorLove ...315k of some 400k podcast pages on hufduffer
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gRegorLove ... TLDs. Lots of .com
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gRegorLove ... .net second, then .de
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@benwerd I'm just going to leave this graph of software powering the #indieweb here. cc @erinjo https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/878681878257176576/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/878681878257176576)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'm just going to leave this graph of software powering the #indieweb here. cc @erinjo" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/im-just-going-to-leave-this-graph-of-software-powering
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gRegorLove ... shows fun TLDs
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gRegorLove ... mf2 data!
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gRegorLove ... h-entry, h-card, h-feed, then trails off
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tantek [and this is why I didn't include #s in the my state of the indieweb 2017 of sites, microformats etc. :) ]
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@johnallsopp OH: The Zipf curve is *the* shape of the internet #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878682255085797376)
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gRegorLove ... for all the pages with rel-me links, how many do they have?
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Zegnat Someone has 200 rel-me links?!
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed, thanks for not calling me out on rel-mes
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[chrisaldrich] oops
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Zegnat hahaha
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benwerd :D
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Loqi hehe
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I called you out before he did, sorry
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gRegorLove ... crawled on his home network, home computer
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tantek IndieMap launched today!
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gRegorLove ... excited to launch this today
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gRegorLove ... indiemap.org
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich]++ for being part of zipf’s tail
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benwerd IndieMap is extremely cool.
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gRegorLove ... play with visualization, mine the data
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bear let him know i'll gladly turn over all my indie stats domain names
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@Johannes_Ernst Amazing #indieweb #bigdata project http://www.indiemap.org by @snarfed (twitter.com/_/status/878682699145240576)
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benwerd snarfed++
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gRegorLove ... is this a top priority for community? Not really, but it's a fun side project
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tantek bear - definitely !tell snarfed - he'll get it
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bear oh is that snarfed!
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gRegorLove ... not selfdogfooding yet, but will find a use for it on snarfed.org
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bear snarfed++
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sknebel would be cool to seed vouch data and stuff like that
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bear !tell snarfed I will turn over my domains to you and offer up my historical data
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove ... "information wants to be free. data wants to be dirty"
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bear snarfed++ for "Data wants to be Dirty"
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gRegorLove ... "All code is liability"
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@anomalily .@snarfed_org says “Information wants to be free [but] data wants to be dirty” #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/878683058894888960)
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gRegorLove ... code is great, but focus on results
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amitp mmm tacos
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Zegnat snarfed++ thank you too!
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gRegorLove ... thanks to all of us. indieweb has been a great community to play with this stuff
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@holden Line from Peter Norvig "Code is Liability" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/878683356816326656)
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sknebel ok, I saw glimpses of it on github, but that was *cool*
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gRegorLove Taking a 5 minute break before introductions
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gRegorLove 5 minutes until attendee introductions!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-24 11:43am PDT (#6031)
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sebsel the talks where so good!
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@jimpick Awesome IndieWeb crawler project from @schnarfed! http://www.indiemap.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/878683880806465537)
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sebsel iws++
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sebsel :')
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gRegorLove Hey remote attendees, feel free to do a text intro here in chat now while we're on break
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gRegorLove Zegnat: sknebel, [chrisaldrich], kylewm, anyone else ^
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gRegorLove It will be too difficult with our timeframe to do remote intros on video, sorry.
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sknebel understandable
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sebsel That's ok
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[miklb] I'm Michael Bishop, miklb.com I use WordPress now but started indieweb stuff on Jekyll
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@davidmead @benwerd @schnarfed That’s very cool @benwerd. Hoping to make out there next time. #indieweb #indiewebcamp in repl… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/878684864572268544 (twitter.com/_/status/878684864572268544)
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sknebel I'm Sven, svenknebel.de I'm writing my own blog system and currently struggling with "what do I actually want to use it for?". Also currently working on Kaja, IRC/wiki-editing bot. help run HWC Berlin
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sebsel I'm Sebastiaan Andeweg, seblog.nl, I've had my domain for a long time, but it has been silent for quite a while and I'm glad to have IndieWeb make it noisy again :) using a modified KirbyCMS now.
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[markmhendrickso I'm Mark Hendrickson (http://markmhendrickson.com), a designer / developer / PM for startups originally from San Francisco but now living in Barcelona, Spain for a few years now. My main IndieWeb project is Neotoma (https://github.com/neotoma), a PESOS-style consumer app to empower users to easily sync all of their silo data historically and going forward to their cloud storage of choice (Dropbox etc).
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Loqi attendee introductions!
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[miklb] What new feature is that loqi
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Zegnat I’m Martijn van der Ven, vanderven.se/martijn/ . I am probably better known as just Zegnat here on the chat. I have a task list up on http://wiki.zegnat.net/iws-task-list for this weekend. I also host the Virtual HWC on CEST time (upcoming Wednesday people!)
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Zegnat Planning to do a lot of community wrangling and outreach to organisers, so if that is something you are interested in helping with hit me.
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Zegnat [miklb]: that was the end of the 5 minute countdown that gRegorLove set
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sknebel [miklb]: that was a timer set before
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calumryan I’m Calum, calumryan.com I’ve written my own CMS in PHP for notes and IW features like sending Webmentions and Micropub for Instagram/Swarm. The rest of my site containing blog posts is rendered in Jekyll. I’ve organised HWC London for the past year
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kylewm Hi I'm Kyle (kylewm.com), I've been awol for a while, catching up on what's going on in the community :) Good to see you all, albeit remotely. Exciting to see many people I don't recognize
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Loqi kylewm: KevinMarks left you a message on 2016-11-19 at 3:06am UTC: woodwind is down with a 500 error
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 2016-11-19 at 3:57pm UTC: are you available to participate or better yet help co-organize an IndieWebCamp SF Dec 17-18? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Planning and can you suggest others that would like to help out too!
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Loqi kylewm: petermolnar left you a message on 2016-12-06 at 3:04pm UTC: if you happen to have a little time, I'm struggling to use https://github.com/kylewm/flask-micropub : following example.py I'm only generating an endless redirect loop, and I don't see what I'm doing wrong
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 2017-01-18 at 7:35pm UTC: you show # of reposts (or a facepile or some other display) of your posts on your posts right? Add yourself, site, and implementation here: https://indieweb.org/reposts#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi kylewm: dgold left you a message on 2017-02-18 at 12:55am UTC: 'https://github.com/kylewm/KnownReactions/issues/17#issuecomment-280801871 -- BenWerd broke your plugin'
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Loqi kylewm: jeremycherfas left you a message on 2017-02-21 at 5:56pm UTC: getting 502 bad gateway from silo.pub and kylewm.com
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Loqi kylewm: jaduncan[m] left you a message on 2017-02-22 at 1:49am UTC: I don't mind hosting either silo.pub or woodwind.xyz, I have a lot of server resources.
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jonnybarnes I’m Jonny, my site is at jonnybarnes.uk, its written with the Laravel framework
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jonnybarnes just recently got my micropub endpoint to work with ownyourswarm and ownyourgram
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sknebel weolcome back kylewm!
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jonnybarnes though I need to fix the published date for ownyourswarm, I’ll checkin somewhere with the Swarm app, then goto my site and see the post say it happened “58 minutes from now”
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sebsel jonnybarnes cool!
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sebsel jonnybarnes sounds like timezones!
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bear quite the local turnout in Portland - cool
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[chrisaldrich] Hi everyone, I'm Chris Aldrich, boffosocko.com ( /WordPress), stream.boffosocko.com (/known). I like to try to break all the things. I also apparently like rel="me".
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Zegnat aaronpk leads us into chanting? ;)
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gRegorLove and we're back
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssy9VD9fgjs
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bear at least now we know what site to go to for rel="me" testing
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gRegorLove ... 1 minute lightning site intros
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@MichelleJLevine The more I learn... the more I love it! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/878687478865051648)
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[apatters] Hi! I'm Aaron.
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[apatters] - Conference goal: learn more, launch a personal Indiewebified WP site, and stop posting to Facebook directly.
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[apatters] - Found out about IndieWeb this year through media coverage and Tantek, very exciting. Currently in info-absorbing mode.
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[apatters] - "Gen 1"
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[apatters] - Hybrid dev/biz guy. Founded a WordPress dev agency and a travel site.
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[apatters] - The challenge that excites me the most: pushing this stuff out to Gens 3 and 4
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[apatters] Also, resident in Bangkok where it's 2am. So likely to pass out before the day ends ?
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gRegorLove ... tantek.com
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Zegnat (Good luck capturing all those domains gRegorLove)
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gRegorLove ... most recent thing was improved RSVP support
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gRegorLove (help definitely welcome this session. fingers getting tired :) )
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Zegnat tantek writes text posts, has a composite feed, and manual feed
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Zegnat aaronpk.com
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Zegnat little bio section, then recent posts
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Zegnat last thing he got working (IWC germany): little blue dot that shows that he is still at the location of his checkin
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Zegnat homepage has a thumbnail map that can zoom into his location
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Zegnat stolen from “old Flickr”
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[miklb] is the youtube video not up?
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Zegnat v68k.org
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Zegnat j_juran
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[miklb] got it
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Zegnat most recent change: static image from emulation will be replaced by animated gif on mouse hover
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Zegnat animation is only there when you want it
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jonnybarnes whats tantek showing on his tablet?
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Zegnat metamage.com (j_juran still)
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Zegnat tantek has the timer
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Zegnat metamage.com has collapsible sections on the resume
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Zegnat jenson.org
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gRegorLove ... scott jenson
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gRegorLove ... slow publish of articles
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Zegnat 4 to 6 articles a year
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gRegorLove ... publishing 4-6 articles a year for a book
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Zegnat 1500-2000 words
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Zegnat all he does
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Zegnat “edge corner” of indieweb
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Zegnat website was redone to do the indieweb stuff, but turned off
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Zegnat couldn't keep up
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aaronpk btw new youtube link
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Zegnat upon22.com ???? johanus???
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Zegnat ubos.net is being shown
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Four years ago, I came to this event to demo something called Idno. Four years later, Known is such a great community. I'm really proud to" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/four-years-ago-i-came-to-this-event-to-demo
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Zegnat single command for running a WP/known site on the linux distro UBOS
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aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssy9VD9fgjs
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Zegnat command can add https et al
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Zegnat cleverdevil.io
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Zegnat got into indieweb as dreamhost employee
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Zegnat own site runs known
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Zegnat new things: “on this day” feature
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sl007 Hello IndieWeb - Sebastian Lasse here, a journalist, photojournalist, documentary producer from Germany. My page is sebastianlasse.de but it is pretty old. I'll update it in a 100days challenge. Elsewhere http://plus.google.com/+SebastianLasse - I am currently developing a decentralized CMS on node js : "redaktor" /cc. markmhendrickso
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Zegnat a year ago he was watching Raiders of the Lost Ark
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Zegnat watching a video on his phone: live demo alarm
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Zegnat shows on his website that he was watching E.T.
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Zegnat next is ward.fed.wiki.org
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil that was an awesome short demo!
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[cleverdevil] It worked!
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bear I want to see tantek rush Ward off the stage ;)
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Zegnat built abour 6 years ago
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[cleverdevil] Shocking.
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Zegnat uses the federated wiki, has notes on lots of things
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Zegnat ([cleverdevil], I am interested in that tech, I might hit you up about that)
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Zegnat mmg.re
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Zegnat schmarty
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Zegnat (right?0
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Zegnat Added check-ins yesterday through own your swarm
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[cleverdevil] @Zegnat - https://github.com/cleverdevil/Known-Watching
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Loqi [cleverdevil] Known-Watching: Publish a log of what you're watching (TV and Movies) to Known CMS, including a Plex webhook.
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Zegnat What is OwnYourSwarm?
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Loqi OwnYourSwarm is a service which sends your Swarm checkins to your own website via Micropub https://indieweb.org/OwnYourSwarm
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Zegnat He also makes the This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition
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Zegnat “more that can be done with audio on the web”
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Zegnat gRegorLove up next
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Zegnat gregorlove.com
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Zegnat showing event posts
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Zegnat has been posting indie events for HWC Bellingham
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Zegnat RSVP support was recently added. Both FB and Indie RSVPs show up
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Zegnat dougbeal
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Zegnat dougbeal.com
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Zegnat month old WP installation
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Zegnat OwnYourSwarm and OwnYourGram are being used
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gRegorLove my demo URL: https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/homebrew-website-club/
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club
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Zegnat Swarm checkin with picture shows up as photo
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Zegnat anomalily.net up