#indieweb 2017-06-25

2017-06-25 UTC
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUK_Smgir_4
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GWG I'm in Location Location #Location
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Zegnat sknebel, you still idling somewhere for last session?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: did you check in there?
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[asteres] the designs were fun!
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[asteres] I feel like I've seen lots of good examples but can't find them now
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sknebel Zegnat: yes, now I do :)
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Zegnat [asteres], it isn’t always easy
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KartikPrabhu oh hey! I made it to pretty websites list :)
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Zegnat I am really bumped that I can’t recall if Shaun has an old-version somewhere :/
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Zegnat goes to grab a drink to restart the brain
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gRegorLove Siri, What's Tantek Doing? https://etherpad.indieweb.org/indiesiri
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[asteres] chrisaldrich we gotta be huge to get in all the photos ?
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[chrisaldrich] ?
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: like your archives view! are you using flex box to do th monthly layout?
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sknebel aaronpk: not sure if appropriate if nobody has looked at it before, but remember the persona work from Berlin/Nürnberg
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: Thanks! Not flexbox yet, it's about 6 years old at this point, before I knew about it. I should update it to that.
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aaronpk oh yeah! let me dig that up. I wasn't in that session
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Zegnat aaronpk: http://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/onboarding
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah, flexbox is almost custom-made for this useage
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Zegnat I was just looking it up
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Zegnat Actually, most personas overlapped multiple gens. They had a hard time getting personas into a single gen.
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strugee snarfed: added interop to the W3C SocialCG agenda this Wednesday
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strugee https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2017-06-28
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snarfed strugee: awesome thanks!
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strugee planning to present what we came up with, if you want to join that'd be fun
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strugee early though
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strugee hoping to catalyze implementations of bridges
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snarfed argh yeah 8am, i'll be commuting
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snarfed i'll at least read after!
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strugee cool
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Zegnat tantek aaronpk is refresh being recorded? My client does not say it is, and I don’t see the recorder user!
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aaronpk it's recording separately from vidyo
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Zegnat Ooh, right, main room
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Zegnat calms down
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Loqi [superfeedr] "http://www.andy-j-miller.com/ being held up as an example of a great personal website. It's beautiful. Inspiringly organic. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/-j-millercom-being-held-up-as-an-example-of-a-great
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davidmead while Known was good it was a lot of dev work
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davidmead fairly easy, but there is work for wordpress
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eli_oat The backfeeding options are also not wicked well documented in my experience
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davidmead is the summit video only on youtube live or is there a link to join?
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sknebel davidmead: http://2017.indieweb.org/vidyo
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sknebel (for the refresh discussion)
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davidmead thanks
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[chrisaldrich] davidmead, are you muted? We can hear your dog.
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davidmead sorry
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[chrisaldrich] you should be able to mut your mike in the UI
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[chrisaldrich] s/mut/mute
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davidmead should be good now :-)
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@cleverdevil Used @Ipstenu's "Bury Your Queers" Alexa Skill as an example of amazing #IndieWeb tech in this #IWS2017 session! (https://cleverdevil.io/s/NnLDn) (twitter.com/_/status/878777818364211200)
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@HeNeArXn Listening to the #refresh session at #IndieWebSummit my brain constantly gets confused by the mention of "Gentoo" people in onboarding ? (twitter.com/_/status/878780668343353345)
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sknebel have a nice evening everyone!
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Zegnat So.... dinner?
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Zegnat sebsel, sknebel, dinner at my place? :p
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sknebel we can find a mumble server somewhere
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sebsel mukbanging our way out of here
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sebsel Google Maps says I'll be there in about 12h and 54 minutes Zegnat!
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sebsel wait I don't own a car
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sebsel 63hours by bike, you keep the food warm?
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Zegnat Sure
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Ben Werdmuller's tweet" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-06-25 http://michael.runcieman.com/2017/liked-ben-werdmullers-tweet-240b74c874
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[chrisaldrich] It suddenly got very quiet in here... ?
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Zegnat sknebel and I just tested mumble as a possible platform for Virtual HWC
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Zegnat I think PDX is out, and EU went to bed
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[chrisaldrich] what's your favorite platform for virtual so far?
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Zegnat I really like Talky. Modern browsers will just let you drop in and even share your screen without any set-up. But it ate through my bandwidth.
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Zegnat I burned several GBs on the last Virtual HWC, because it is all peer2peer.
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sknebel and I had trouble connecting from my phone
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sknebel but the option of video is indeed nice
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Zegnat And I am currently on capped 4G only. With approx 75 GB month as my limit.
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sknebel What is Virtual HWC?
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Loqi Virtual HWC is an online Homebrew Website Club for IndieWebbers who either can’t make a regular meeting or don’t yet have critical mass to host one in their area https://indieweb.org/Virtual_HWC
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Zegnat We captured alot of pros and cons on that wiki page, [chrisaldrich]
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[chrisaldrich] I've been checking in on it; saw your note in #meta too, but I'm still trying to juggle the house purchase/sell process and get some food myself.
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[chrisaldrich] I'll be up late tonight trying to play catch up on logs and IWS
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[chrisaldrich] Not sure how much build time I'll get tomorrow
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], that’s fine :) If you have a moment tomorrow I would love to steal a few minutes and talk about what you are thinking of doing in regard to Virtual HWC.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG and I had done one or two before.
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[chrisaldrich] We followed most of the general outline, but depending on attendance and level, sometimes the convo devolved into a mini-camp or even dev discussions.
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[chrisaldrich] One of them was very WordPress-centric and allowed us to spitball some timelines and thoughts more than a traditional HWC would have probably allowed
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sknebel [chrisaldrich]: there seems to be a lot of variety in that
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Zegnat real life HWC can do that too. Definitely happened with HWC NL when it was just sebsel and me
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[chrisaldrich] I know GWG is going overseas for a few weeks soon, so I'm not sure how our timing is going to work out with the time differences between LA/NY/Asia
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sknebel we had an HWC organizer session in Nürnberg, and it seemed like some follow strict schedules
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sknebel and others do basically whatever and just talk
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sknebel (ours in Berlin also go on for ages, vs I think SF finishes when the schedule says it's over)
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[chrisaldrich] I usually try to push people to do more proactive planning/talking towards building things and implementing rather than talking about what they'd like to see
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Zegnat Honestly I think strict schedule only works when everyone there has the same goal in mind. But when you have new people or haven’t seen eachother in some months you have different goals.
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sknebel we haven't done much actual work at HWCs either, thats also a difference
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sknebel (mostly because of locations)
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[chrisaldrich] also having 4 gen1 users and 1 gen3 can be tough to manage
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Zegnat I find it relatively easy to then drop down to gen3 and see what they are trying to get out of it.
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Zegnat We really need more gen3 people …
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Zegnat Or just gen2, really
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[chrisaldrich] though I have done meetups where we've spent the entire time helping someone new register a site and get something useful up and running.
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[chrisaldrich] I kind of like getting people a jump start on having something useful that they can continue working on later or at future meetings.
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sknebel yeah, that's a good thing to do in person
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Zegnat I like it too, but am ill equiped to do it, as I do not do WP and Known still feels a little shaky at times.
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Zegnat I hope the refresh discussion will not only lead to a new homepage but also some really good subpages
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sknebel indeed. I might be able to help someone with github pages or something
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sknebel which is also a start
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sknebel (depending on your goals. if you just want a place on the net, not replace twitter (or don't use twitter))
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sknebel (twitter is of course standin for all kinds of social media)
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Zegnat That is where I really like kitmarks.com and emmahodge.org . But I guess those were people who not just wanted a site but also *learn the tech*. That’s a small minority.
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Zegnat Or from a HWC NL: jesselisser.nl
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Zegnat I have decided to take a 4–5 hour nap. Then do some work on CEST time. Then a 3 hour nap. Then do IWS again. So I am off
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Zegnat Have a good one everyone!
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sknebel sounds like a plan.
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi goodnight!
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sknebel I think I'll also leave.
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sknebel have a nice and hopefully not too stressful evening [chrisaldrich]!
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@MichelleJLevine Is it tomorrow yet?! Can't wait to get started hacking on the projects discussed today at #indieweb ?? (twitter.com/_/status/878790795490349056)
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@davidmead Only managed to join the last session of @IndieWebSummit. Catching up on YouTube now. #iws2017 #indiewebcamp http://djm.click/blog/b/4k0 (twitter.com/_/status/878791204556730369)
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eli_oat did snarfed's talk break https://www.museum-digital.de? I've been trying to visit all day and have been running into a "bad gateway" error all day
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[chrisaldrich] eli_oat I must have, I get the same...
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dougbeal|iOS https://twitter.com/macgenie/status/878794961675616257
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@macgenie I'm headed to Kelly's Olympian with @murderofcrows at 9, after we check out Ground Kontrol. Looking forward to seeing Lucia and Piefight! QT [@lucia_fasano] At @Kellys_Olympian' (twitter.com/_/status/878794961675616257)
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eli_oat I've never visited the site, I'm super excited to check it out :P I should probably stop reloading the page every 30 minutes, and just give it a few days
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ben_thatmustbeme Huh? What is it? (When it's up)
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eli_oat I don't actually know, having never visited, but from what I gather it is a collection of museum archives
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eli_oat what is https://www.museum-digital.de/?
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eli_oat what is museum-digital.de?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "museum-digital.de" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme holy cow!
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ben_thatmustbeme just watching snarfed's keynote
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 272 karma in this channel (281 overall)
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed ++ 1000
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amitp snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 273 karma in this channel (282 overall)
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amitp one does not simply crawl the web from your laptop
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4p2VNxxN.jpg
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amitp analyze all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4p2qsAUo.jpg
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sketchess good morning / evening :)
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ben_thatmustbeme Likewise
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ben_thatmustbeme I should get to sleep, but I'm not
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sketchess me too
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Loqi yea
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sketchess to much in my head working
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ben_thatmustbeme I have even more desire to stabilize the build of my website now
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ben_thatmustbeme Or rather my software to run my site
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sketchess me too
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amitp I got h-entry added to my blog
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sketchess *lol*
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ben_thatmustbeme I've been trying to make everything fairly easy to install
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sketchess ah
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ben_thatmustbeme So others can pop it up quickly
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amitp !temperature 97211
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amitp thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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ben_thatmustbeme amitp++ great
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Loqi amitp has 1 karma
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Used @Ipstenu's "Bury Your Queers" Alexa Skill as an example of amazing #IndieWeb tech in this #IWS2017 session!" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-25 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/used-ipstenus-quotbury-your-queersquot-alexa-skill-as-an-example
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Checked into Ground Kontrol Classic Arcade" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-25 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/checked-into-ground-kontrol-classic-arcade-1
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Y'all, we're gonna build an #IndieWeb WebRing. #YOLO" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-24 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/yall-were-gonna-build-an-indiwweb-webring-yolo
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sketchess what's that?
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ben_thatmustbeme What?
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amitp what?
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amitp Ground Kontrol is the arcade some of them went to after dinner
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amitp I had to leave early :(
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sketchess does not mean to me anything
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KartikPrabhu amitp++ for adding h-entry
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Loqi amitp has 2 karma
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sketchess is trying to solve a ux puzzle
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ben_thatmustbeme What puzzle is that?
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sketchess I have trouble to find my way into resposive design in a way I am happy with. But it seems like my desires are ahead of time.
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sketchess that's frustrating
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: what about responsive design is troubling?
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sketchess Further more I am facing a writer's block.
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sketchess resizable fonts would be a good start :)
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: you'll have to play around with media-queries for those
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KartikPrabhu a good start is to use em font-sizes everywhere and only change the font-size on the <body> element with media-queries
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sketchess grrr were do I put my note list *searching*
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sketchess I found something promising some days ago.
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sketchess I wish I would have made some better notes. grrrr
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[grantcodes] I couldn't get into ground kontrol so @raucao and I are at Big Legrowski up the road
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: maybe use your user page on indieweb.org to document stuff you'd like to do, or on you own site like so https://kartikprabhu.com/itch
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Loqi Kartik Prabhu
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sketchess I had to clean my computer at that time. So I only made sure that nothing suspicious got onto by backup drive. I took some quick notes.
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sketchess End of story.
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sketchess impressive list
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sketchess Well there is no way around it. I have to build test dummies till I am happy. ^^
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sketchess with a better documentation
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Confusion about indieweb" by ricmac on 2017-06-23 https://richardmacmanus.com/2017/06/23/confusion-about-indieweb/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Openness, rivers, the IndieWeb community" by ricmac on 2017-06-21 https://richardmacmanus.com/2017/06/22/openness-rivers-indieweb/
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sketchess thanks @Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome, sketchess
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@MitchKiah Had a great day with #indieweb 2017. What an awesome group of people. Looking forward to Day 2! (twitter.com/_/status/878841099497766912)
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sketchess good morning gRegorLove
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GWG Back to the room and already off dumping the etherpads?
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sketchess catching some sleep
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sketchess sweet dreams
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[gregorlove] Hah, Goodreads has rel=nofollow links on basically every link. They're all internal links, too. There's 161 on this book permalink.
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tantek good evening #indieweb!
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tantek how's everyone doing tonight?
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GWG Hi, tantek
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[gregorlove] o/ tantek. Tired and warm, but cooling off and relaxing. Sleep soon. It's been a great IWS day 1. ?
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tantek I hear you [gregorlove] - brain still buzzing with all of today's discussions. Even after video games
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[gregorlove] Marty and I were going to drop by Ground Kontrol briefly but the bus took longer than expected and we were pretty tired.
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[gregorlove] Have an idea what your project will be tomorrow?
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[asteres] I ran across this way to give an address using 3 emoji, kinda want to implement it on my site now https://what3emojis.com/
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[asteres] ??
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j_juran WAT 3 emojis
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strugee hey for people still in Portland - if the diagram on the whiteboard in Hub is still there, can one of y'all take a picture of it and upload it to the wiki somewhere?
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strugee forgot to do it before he left
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strugee aaronpk: ^^^ since I assume you'll be there earlier
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[kevinmarks] For the number of bits in 3 emoji you could make a newbase60 url that locates you more clearly
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j_juran [kevinmarks]: I assumed it was tongue-in-cheek, somewhat like NoTCP.
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sebsel I was going to say: but emojis are so nice, but then it turned out that places near me have ? and ? and ?, which is not at all useful.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Zegnat I see I do not need to do any etherpad archiving or othersuch things any more? Thought I would do that when pdx slept.
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sebsel what is current schedule?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/current_schedule
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sebsel looks like there are some red links still
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sebsel does location location
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sebsel goes to pervweb
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sebsel perweb
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sebsel doing events
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sebsel lol the link https://indieweb.org/2017/events looks like it's about events in 2017.
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sebsel oh well
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Zegnat Oh, gRegorLove started archiving but didn’t finish? Thanks sebsel for taking over!
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Zegnat was brewing tea
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sebsel I've done the sessions I was at now :)
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Zegnat I’ll go archive the left overs
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Zegnat And then start on my project for the day
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sebsel reads Zegnat's todolist at http://wiki.zegnat.net/iws-task-list
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sebsel what is heartbeat?
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Loqi Heartbeat may refer to Mozilla's realtime feedback about browsing with Firefox project, or Ind.ie's former project to "Share the things that matter to you with the people you care about (and no one else)" https://indieweb.org/Heartbeat
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sebsel that does not sounds like the same thing
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Zegnat Not the same thing
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sebsel so what is it? like a dodemansknop (? death man's button ?), which you have to press every X time or else your site says you're missing?
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat Sorry, archiving and fixing syntax :p
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sebsel oh really?
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sebsel I recall seeing a discussion between aaronpk and ben_thatmustbeme about what to do with your site after you pass away
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sebsel that would require a thing like that too
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Zegnat That is an almost unsolvable problem without a notary and a fund set-up to keep up hosting and domain payment anyway
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Zegnat I ignore that issue. My 1Password master password comes with my testament and everything else is up to those still breathing.
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Zegnat Heartbeat is the replacement for http://vanderven.se/martijn/safe/
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sebsel oh hey, you where last safe on my birthday :)
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sebsel yeah, it's a bit of a weird topic also
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Zegnat Yes, so heartbeat is based on small checkins by me during the day, and will remind me when I forget to checkin. Though I call those “pulses”, as they aren’t what we would usually describe as a checkin (location et al)
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sebsel that's nice! how does it notify you? email?
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Zegnat Yes
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sketchess good morning / evening
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Zegnat Good morning
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sketchess :)
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sketchess Zegnat, if I ever put ads on my site, shoot me *lol*. Terrible.
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Zegnat Noted
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@pi1ch This is neat #indieweb http://www.indiemap.org (twitter.com/_/status/878963259835011072)
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sketchess Tell me, is that the case with the level users that was talke about yesterday? https://indiewebify.me/
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sketchess +d
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Zegnat sketchess, I am not sure if anyone spoke about indiewebify yesterday. But it is one of the websites that was made to help people take their first steps on the indieweb
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sketchess Yes I know. But the stages are discribed. I remembering sentences like, 'we need more level 3 or to people'. I just noticed, that on this page levels are described.
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sketchess to = two / 2
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sketchess tidies up bookmarks
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Zegnat Ah, no, yesterday https://indieweb.org/generations was being discussed
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Zegnat Current website is very good for generation 1 (developers), but not super friendly towards generation 2 and almost impossible to use for other generations
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sketchess Ah ok, I understand now.
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sketchess Thanks for clarification. Most appreciated.
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sketchess time for a little break :)
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Zegnat Hmm, what is everyones policy on changing their display picture? How often? Everywhere at the same time?
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sketchess o.o?
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sebsel Zegnat on various silos you mean?
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat And just in general
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Zegnat wants to refresh his photo with the new site reworks
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sebsel I have none, I just change sometimes, on some places
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sketchess none
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aaronpk i usually change it everywhere if i decide to change it
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aaronpk doesn't happen very often tho. i changed to my current one after about 4 years of the previous one
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tantek I've changed mine to be different in different places
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Zegnat I don’t like my current one much. Just had some new photos taken. But not sure yet.
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@haldaume3 380gb :) of ... "The IndieWeb‘s raison d’être is to do social networking on individual personal web sites instead o… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/878972872961789953 (twitter.com/_/status/878972872961789953)
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davidmead I normally try to keep them all the same. only recently changed mine after years
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davidmead after yesterdays discussion around generations (https://indieweb.org/generations) i realize i’m Gen2 and have been for years :-)
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sketchess :) If you do not feel comfortable with your old one, why to hesitate Zegnat. As you guys always say, build for yourself beeing happy.
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Zegnat sketchess, in part, I am never going to be happy with a photo of me :p
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tantek davidmead: welcome :)
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davidmead morning tantek :-)
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davidmead sad i could only get in on the last part of the summit yesterday
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sketchess Than I have to come and assist you. But if it is to be a comfort, I take 100 of me everytime and choose cearfully every time. *lol*
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sketchess welcome
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davidmead catching up on the videos from yesterday. lot of great discussion around wordpress. wish i was a part of
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sketchess I wouldn't worry to much about your outer appearances, Zegnat. ;)
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Zegnat Oh, I don’t sketchess, but I do worry that photos don’t capture me right
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sketchess Hahahahaha.
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Loqi awesome
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sketchess That's the thing about fotos, they never will chatch the beauty of reality of the original. :D
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@markymark @anomalily thanks for the presentation yesterday at indiewebsummit! very helpful. are the slides available somewhere for review? (twitter.com/_/status/878976437453279232)
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davidmead tantek: who is heading up the indieweb.org content refresh? had some ideas i’d like to pass along.
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tantek davidmead: I think at least Michelle, Lily, Scott and myself are planning to try hacking on it for an hour this morning
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tantek let's start a brainstorming page
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sketchess how exciting
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tantek davidmead: go for it https://indieweb.org/2017/site-refresh
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sketchess looking forward to it
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@manton2 Love this map of the IndieWeb. Great visualization of how the entire web can be the best social network. https://snarfed.org/2017-06-24_new-side-project-indie-map (twitter.com/_/status/878979778946240512)
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davidmead tantek: added thoughts to https://indieweb.org/2017/site-refresh. feel free to change/delete as needed :-)
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@davidmead Really good presentation from @anomalily on having an #indieweb site. Have been in the same boat as her many times… http://djm.click/blog/b/4k6 (twitter.com/_/status/878989481533206528)
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Zegnat For everyone who attended the events session yesterday (tantek, aaronpk), it is true, you can RSVP to every single one of sebsel’s posts! https://seblog.nl/2017/06/19/5/reply
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] ?
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Zegnat thinks that is cool and should never be changed
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aaronpk lol
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sebsel Zegnat lol, makes me think of this RSVP https://seblog.nl/2017/06/14/4/reply
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Seb gaat naar een post van Martijn van der Ven.
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Zegnat mumbles something about broken mf parsers, XRay, and wiki documentation
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sebsel ('Seb goes to a post of Martijn van der Ven', because it was a h-event embedded in an h-entry)
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Zegnat I’ll fix that before I post my next event. Which should probably be today. Darn, another todo item
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@loopdouble Trying to be indieweb and open source, I kind of feel 50% Kevin Flynn, 50% black-and-whiter in the Metaverse. (twitter.com/_/status/879003170390908928)
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ben_thatmustbeme If these kids ever sleep I think I'll work out how to set up a schedule for running the webmention queue in splatter. Then I want to start writing up documentation on how to install it
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ben_thatmustbeme That's my goals for today
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ben_thatmustbeme And as a side effect of writing the documentation, make a second install on a new domain for my wife
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sketchess re
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Zegnat Doors to IWS are open for those having breakfast at Mozilla :D Vidyo stream is online as well (see schedule). Kickof in 25 minutes!
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sebsel what is the current schedule?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/current_schedule
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sebsel enjoys his time with Loqi
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sketchess What is IWS?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IWS
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sebsel it's IndieWebSummit and it's happening this weekend in Portland, sketchess :)
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sketchess in person?
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Zegnat Yes. We focus on in person meetings a lot for IndieWeb.
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ben_thatmustbeme Although there are sometimes virtual ones
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sketchess Is there a way to 'follow' it?
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aaronpk most of the stuff to follow happened yesterday, but we'll have video for the three intros this morning and also the demos at the end
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sketchess Be a part of it even I can't be there, because of location.
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sketchess aha
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Zegnat And you can follow live through Vidyo, the schedule has a link to connect: https://indieweb.org/current_schedule
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aaronpk and videos from the main room from yesterday are online too https://www.youtube.com/indiewebcamp
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sebsel I think I will not make it till demo's today, but I'll watch back tomorrow :)
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sketchess oh that's a new one
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Zegnat sebsel, understandable, given the -9 hours
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calumryan Enjoyed watching back IWS session on indieweb.org refresh, given me some thoughts for content I’m writing on Introducing IW (a Wiki alternative aimed at gen 2/3/4)
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sketchess ohm, I have nothing to ware *lol*
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sketchess wear
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Zegnat I usually have my camera turned off. You can just listen in.
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Zegnat Good morning [chrisaldrich]
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sketchess How do I pick out the information which times vidyo is available?
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Zegnat When there is a link for live in the schedule, then the stream is available.
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Zegnat I’ll remove it if aaronpk takes the streaming offline
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sketchess ah, so it is available now
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Zegnat Yes
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aaronpk in the main room right now
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Zegnat 3 people are calling in remotely right now
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Zegnat Only main room has the link, aaronpk ;)
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk for the 10:00 sessions we'll have all the rooms live
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Zegnat I removed them from Saturday, and put the link for the mainroom on the Sunday schedule. All taken care off ;)
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Zegnat Good to know. I’ll make sure all links are in at 10 then!
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aaronpk and main room again at 16:00 for demos
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sketchess -.- time zones^^
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aaronpk what time is it for aaronpk?
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Loqi In aaronpk's timezone, US/Pacific, it is currently 9:21am on June 25
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sketchess currently 18.21
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sketchess thanks
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davidmead did anyone else’s RSVP not show up on the site?
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davidmead mine isn’t
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Zegnat Mine didn’t, but that was expected, because I broke stuff again (on purpose)
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Zegnat what is the URL of your RSVP davidmead?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URL of your RSVP davidmead" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess *lol* well than I better got dressed something nice
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davidmead lol - prob my issue too zegnat
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aaronpk davidmead: what's the URL? also if you put the URL in https://2017.indieweb.org/webmention it should tell you a little more information
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Zegnat You broke is on purpose too, davidmead? ;)
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Zegnat Go to the #indieweb-dev channel and we’ll try to debug it
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sketchess wait a second..... do I need something to attend?
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davidmead aaronpk ah, never saw a link to the webmention page when i signed up
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davidmead assumed that was the thing i filled in when registering
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aaronpk yeah i didn't link to that from anywhere
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aaronpk makes a note to tell remote people not to register on ti.to next year
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sketchess huh, just a name o.o how unexpected
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aaronpk here is a clock https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/personal.html?cities=202,179,136,16
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb!
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sketchess welcome
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sketchess well here goes nothing, I give it a try, just so see
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Zegnat It is still breakfast time now, so a lot of talking going on
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@derhess Dear people, short overview of our first starter #hwc @indiewebcamp event in #Berlin http://derhess.de/2017/06/25/notes-from-the-homebrew-website-club-9-in-berlin/ #indieweb #start #intro #web (twitter.com/_/status/879014490469273606)
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sketchess it works
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sketchess nice
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Zegnat sketchess your microphone is on
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sketchess yes
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Zegnat just making sure you knew
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aaronpk i think the speakers in here are on if you want to say hi
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sketchess shell I turn it of?
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sketchess ah
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Zegnat whatever you want, sketchess.
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sketchess I am a bit shy
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aaronpk we are all nice :)
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sebsel I'm not showing my face at the moment either, for the screens in the room are so big :)
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sebsel oh, davidmead does!
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aaronpk the more people share video the smaller the faces get :)
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Zegnat sebsel that sounds like a challenge ;)
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davidmead big screen for a big face :-)
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Zegnat Ah, you are in
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sketchess I do not even know how to change settings
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Zegnat move your mouse over the screen and you should see buttons
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sketchess yes found it
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Zegnat aaronpk, you can see how many remotes you have on the screen? I see a green face with a 5 above davidmead
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sebsel I lost sound, brb
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aaronpk yep that's all we see here
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davidmead i’ll turn off the camera when i go make coffee :-)
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sketchess I turn of the mice to for the moment, wanne do a quick vacuum clean
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[apatters] Is there a Youtube stream today?
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aaronpk [apatters]: yes, shortly
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KartikPrabhu i have to install vidyo :|
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[miklb] Going to reiterate how cool it is to get webmentions in my slack channel.
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu if you want to join in yes, else you can wait for the YouTube livestream if you are just consuming
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sebsel does anyone else hear the room now?
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Zegnat I hear the room
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sebsel hm, I can't.
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sketchess I do
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sebsel wants to look up sign language
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[miklb] sebsel I had that problem yesterday and realized one of the mutes I thought was for my sound was actually the room sound
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gRegorLove I hear the room
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Zegnat gRegorLove good to hear you don’t need to replace the eardrums with robot parts yet :D
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snarfed https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1104
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Loqi [snarfed] #1104 order comments by mf2 dt-published or dt-updated
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snarfed (for cleverdevil, who's in slack and i don't see in the user list in irc...ah well)
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[anomalily] People at IndieWeb Summit: Come find me if you want a free copy of my zine!
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[anomalily] All I ask for is your email and/or mailing address so I can send you ANOTHER zine free.
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[cleverdevil] Thanks, snarfed.
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Zegnat [anomalily], I’d be happy to receive your zine
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sebsel [anomalily] ooo zines :o
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[cleverdevil] TADA!
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[anomalily] (in like 6 months when next zine is finished). See zine here: http://anomalily.net/the-year-2016/ or in person
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Loqi The Year 2016
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sketchess well 20 min left, I should finish what ever I am doing xD
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sketchess you excuse me
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sketchess odd I am getting a warning sign
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Zegnat warning sign?
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sketchess was yellow and seblog was jumping in and out on my screen
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Zegnat [anomalily] can I sign-up for the zine remotely? ;)
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sketchess ok I should hurry than
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[anomalily] Yes! There is a form linked from the 2016 page above ^
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[anomalily] I mail internationally
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sebsel Oh, you do?
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Zegnat Ugh. Filling in forms.
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Zegnat wants to sign up through webmention!
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[anomalily] Only if you want to put your physical address in a public webmention
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Zegnat my address is here: http://vanderven.se/martijn/ ;)
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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[anomalily] Well send a webmention! I send hundreds of these each year so data management is a thing
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Zegnat I do not demand special treatment
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Zegnat But it would be nice :p
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Zegnat Hahahaha
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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[anomalily] No
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[anomalily] ?
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Zegnat You did not realise I could hear you ;)
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Zegnat ?
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[anomalily] Hahah no but I stand by my statement!
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Zegnat No problem. I am probably one of very few people marking up their address on their h-card anyway
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dougbeal #reading - does anyone use LibraryThing?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Laura Gibbs retweeted: #indieweb principles: Make your site for you, on your terms Human experience before tech Easy-to-use building blocks A plurality of projects" by Laura Gibbs on 2017-06-25 https://twitter.com/OnlineCrsLady/status/879013316793950210
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[anomalily] Haha. A webmention WILL work so I think it's worth trying!
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gRegorLove What is LibraryThing
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Loqi LibraryThing is a silo for storing collections of books https://indieweb.org/LibraryThing
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sebsel dougbeal I don't, but I have https://seblog.nl/bieb
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Loqi [Walter van den Berg] Schuld
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Zegnat we lost sebsel :o
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sebsel yeah, still no sound, so restarting the thing
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sebsel yes, sound!
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Zegnat !!!
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sketchess hihi noone on screen says something thihi
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gRegorLove Nice, sebsel! I don't know if you saw/heard already but I think my project today is a MVP micropub client for posting books/academic articles as h-cite. Title, author, URL, ISBN, most optional.
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gRegorLove Will definitely use your page in today's testing.
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sebsel Oh, nice!
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gRegorLove Thinking it'd be nice to enter the URL of an h-cite and pull in all the book's info, so I could say "hey I want to read that too" and boom
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sebsel uhu, I have the problem that most of the international databases know all the Dutch books I have
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sebsel but yeah, that's nice!
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snarfed discreetly plugs http://www.indiemap.org/ ... if anyone wants to do something with the indieweb social graph on their site today, i'm happy to help!
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML + mf2. Social graph API and interactive map...
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amitp woot indiemap
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snarfed you can look up your own social graph connections with http://www.indiemap.org/DOMAIN.json
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snarfed e.g. http://www.indiemap.org/snarfed.org.json
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snarfed more details: http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#social-graph-api
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Zegnat GWG, snarfed and [cleverdevil] are running the WP session they are “wordpress experts even if they claim not to be” -- tantek
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j_juran Explain it to me like I’m an assembly language programmer. :-)
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snarfed "read the json" :P
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gRegorLove sebsel: They know or don't know the books?
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amitp after anomalily's session yesterday it was a sharp contrast this morning when I was browsing and came across https://andrewbelt.name/
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[anomalily] I love this website.
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[anomalily] Have you seen aaronpk's HAM radio website? https://w7apk.com/
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amitp eek!
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Zegnat fixing schedule
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sebsel gRegorLove well, the books are not there. It depends on the database, but 3/4 of the ISBNs I look up was not available. So I decided to just keep my own database at /bieb, linking to items under /isbn/987etc
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@cleverdevil Excited for day two of #IWS2017! Starting off by helping attendees get started with @WordPress and #IndieWeb. (https://cleverdevil.io/s/2b4Cul) (twitter.com/_/status/879021254069690369)
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@raretrack Finished upgrading my hosted #owncloud to @nextclouders #nextcloud instead - looking good so far :) #indieweb #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/879021262244159488)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Finished upgrading my hosted #owncloud to @nextclouders #nextcloud instead - looking good so far :) #indieweb #ownyourdata" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-06-25 http://raretrack.uk/2017/finished-upgrading-my-hosted-owncloud-to-nextclouders-nextcloud-instead
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davidmead have to bow out. try and get back later
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[anomalily] Anyone who wants to help me solve the problem of maps not displaying on my checkins, I need help: http://anomalily.net/streampdx-2/ (the problem involves wordpress, IFTTT and google maps API issues)
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Loqi [Lillian] StreamPDX
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j_juran I suppose I can get rid of conditional comments for IE < 8 now
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dougbeal IndieRing.Click is available
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Zegnat j_juran: never. You may never drop old IE support.
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Zegnat Ever.
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Zegnat :p
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sebsel [anomalily] It says 403 Forbidden, with in the content 'The Google Maps API server rejected your request. This service requires an API key.'
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sebsel but you might already know that
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sebsel (this does sound like something for #dev however)
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gRegorLove IE5+ support 4 lyfe
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[anomalily] Yea, But it displays SOMETIMES.
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[anomalily] And I do have an API key
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sebsel [anomalily] yeah it does return the map if you just visit that link directly, so it tries to detect being embedded I guess.
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sketchess what is the difference between hub and alameda?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference between hub and alameda" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat I would not be surprised at all if Google allows the image to load X amount of times for every Y referer they see. And if you go over that, require the API key.
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Zegnat sketchess, two different rooms.
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sketchess pitty new websites are gone xD
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gRegorLove Building blocks session notes in https://etherpad.indieweb.org/building-blocks
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sebsel [anomalily] yeah it says here you should add the key to the end of the URL https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/static-maps/intro
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[miklb] anomalily what’s the difference between Foursquare checkins and Swarm? I’ve recently started experimenting with Swarm & OwnYourSwarm with WordPress.
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sebsel with &key=[key]
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sebsel lol that probably went wrong in Slack.
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Zegnat gRegorLove, nice! I’ll prepare a page on the wiki to copy it too. I am tapping out until the demos later today though :)
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sketchess so there are only 2 subjects than 3
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sketchess wordpress is on hub?
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[anomalily] miklb the same, no different, I'm just using a different name
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[anomalily] @sketchess yes! in hub
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[anomalily] sebsel Annoyingly I don't think I can modify the URL because of IFTTT
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[anomalily] Maybe I should ownyourswarm
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[miklb] anomalily cool. I had used Foursquare in past, just started with Swarm so didn’t know if any distinction.
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sketchess I guess, I missed the vote for subject I assume.
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Zegnat Oh. IFTTT creates that link in your post? That’s interesting. Were they smart enough to allow you to set a key in the IFTTT action itself?
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[anomalily] No, but I did put an API key in my wordpress.
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Zegnat sketchess 3 panels were put up, in the end everyone there divided between only 2.
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[anomalily] This is what my options are. https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5Z7Q8JRJ/screen_shot_2017-06-25_at_10.19.44_am.png?pub_secret=e87232e02c&name=Screen Shot 2017-06-25 at 10.19.44 AM.png
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sketchess :D will be interesting for me anyway
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sebsel can't you add &key=key behind }} ?
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sebsel bit hacky but might work
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sebsel (assuming here the key can be public? no idea how that works)
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sknebel can I carefully nudge you towards -dev?
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sebsel yeah
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sketchess You are right Zegnat, it is very developers based ;). But who would wonder.
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Zegnat What is, sketchess?
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sketchess nothing xD
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Zegnat The talk in Alameda is specifically for developers and about protocols used by indieweb sites. The talk in Hub should be accessible for non-developers and is about setting up a wordpress site.
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sketchess smiles
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KartikPrabhu is there a youtube for the sessions?
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sketchess welcome
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu there is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=craIm-tAmB4
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: thanks!
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Zegnat Which is the Alameda session on building blocks, I believe
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Zegnat Should be the right live URL
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sketchess well I watch the other half into wordpress.... do I have to reenter?
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sketchess or is there a option to switch?
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Zegnat You can’t switch, sketchess. They are separate video conferences in Vidyo.
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sketchess thanks
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Zegnat You could have Vidyo open on WordPress and then use YouTube for building blocks, but that is a little annoying in itself
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sketchess it's easy to follow both
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sketchess What topic do the hack parts have?
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Zegnat None.
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Zegnat The other two rooms are just people working on their own projects.
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Zegnat That’s why they aren’t being streamed.
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sketchess ah
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sebsel Oh, websub!
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sebsel focusses on the Youtubestream
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sketchess nothing for me into todays subjects xD
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sebsel you should work on your site sketchess!
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sebsel That's what today is for
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sebsel these sessions are extra
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Loqi yea
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sketchess Well that I can do any time :). And I do. Pushed it today further. Thanks to Kartik, if I remember correctly. reminded me of something very important. Lost my writer's block also.
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[cleverdevil] benwerd++ for fixing the webmention ordering bug that snarfed and I found!
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Loqi benwerd has 113 karma in this channel (138 overall)
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benwerd tips hat
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sebsel sketchess nice!
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snarfed yay benwerd++
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Loqi ?
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snarfed benwerd++ yay, rather
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sketchess That's the reason for tidying up my work space in the first place. *lol* Digital and real life.
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sketchess wish me luck sebel :), hope you too accomplish your goals
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sketchess coding
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Zegnat Good luck sketchess! :D
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sebsel sketchess++
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sketchess wow one karma, I am rich hahahahaha
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Loqi rofl
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ nice session
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raucao hi indiewebsummit. could someone fetch me from the main entrance? there's no security guard...
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raucao thanks!
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raucao hangs out at peets, leeching wifi
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Zegnat ping tantek gRegorLove aaronpk ^^^
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Zegnat Such excitement. Does raucao get in or not?!
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raucao if not, there's coffee and wifi here, and i already started hacking :)
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sebsel a real on-side remote attendee!
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raucao oh right, i could join the video chat :)
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sketchess yeah coding is more fun than just watching
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sketchess the first time I wish for a second screen, oh boy
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snarfed GWG: https://brid.gy/about#registration-api
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BigShip In recognition of IndieWeb 2017 being hosted at the Mozilla Office, and the importance of security on the web... Take a look at https://observatory.mozilla.org/ -- A useful tool for taking a look at your site's security
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aaronpk raucao: coming!
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raucao great, thx!
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davidmead BigShip: I just ran that and got an F :-(
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[cleverdevil] FYI, I am going to be hacking on adding a Micropub Media Endpoint to Known.
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[cleverdevil] If anyone wants to join me!
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++
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tantek cleverdevil++
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snarfed plans to do some work on wordpress micropub too
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sketchess o.ô how can that be, a ' ; ' breaks a graphic o.o? huh, that's a first
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sketchess firefox does not like me today -.-
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: a ";" in the graphic URL ?
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sketchess no
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GWG snarfed: Does Bridgy support multiple users on the same domain? Example: WordPress can have multiple authors.
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snarfed GWG: yeah good question. kind of, but not always well. finding an issue with details
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snarfed short answer: for backfeed, definitely, sure. for publish...kind of.
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GWG snarfed: I'm trying to add registration. Good small project. But do I hook it to the site or the user is my decision
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gRegorLove ping aaronpk I have a question about installing Quill in a sub-directory, when you have a moment
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snarfed GWG: probably site for now
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/652
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Loqi [ckruse] #652 publish breaks if user's website has a path
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GWG snarfed: By your answer, storing it in the user makes more sense though, because it is partially supported.
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snarfed GWG: partial is generally bad UX :P
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BigShip davidmead: It doesn't take too much work to improve that drastically. I highly suggest tackling a few of the test metrics when you have a minute
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KartikPrabhu what is security?
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Loqi security in the context of the indieweb may refer to security concerns regarding personal domains, web hosting, https setup, private data, identity etc https://indieweb.org/security
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KartikPrabhu BigShip: maybe add that URL in https://indieweb.org/security
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j_juran abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw.xyz is available
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tantek that's hard to believe
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j_juran `whois abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw.xyz`
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j_juran a21w.xyz is taken, though
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snarfed GWG: how about this. try to find any bridgy publish plugin user with multiple active users on a single wordpress site. if you can, then maybe ok!
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sketchess doing a happy dance
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[cleverdevil] <shamelessplug>Its only $0.99 right now on DreamHost</shamelessplug>
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[cleverdevil] Also, I *think* I've got some code for Micropub Media Endpoint discovery and implementation in Known now.
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[cleverdevil] Time to test, which means i need to get self auth working.
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[cleverdevil] What is self auth?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "self auth" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] What is selfauth?
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in PHP which is easy for anyone to get running https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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sketchess I don't sign that @Loqi. xD
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sebsel [cleverdevil] Selfauth is still in development! If you want have a test, use IndieAuth.com :)
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sebsel also: Selfauth does not yet have a token endpoint.
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sebsel tokens.indieauth.com/tokens has
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sebsel eh, just https://tokens.indieauth.com/
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@PeteForsyth @WardCunningham Are you back at #indieweb? There were some stickers with a code for http://micro.blog, but I lost mine. Can you help? (twitter.com/_/status/879053947729608704)
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snarfed released wordpress-micropub v1.2 just now, with support for OwnYourSwarm checkins and u-bookmark-of
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Zegnat is never going to be done in time for demos :(
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sketchess XD what shell I say.... uh oh energy and connection is low
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[miklb] snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 274 karma in this channel (283 overall)
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sketchess nice both back
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sketchess -.- that's not good, my computer, have to disconnect
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sketchess re
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sketchess That was close. I am glad that I have saved many many times.
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sketchess has around half a hour left 21.30
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[cleverdevil] Got Media Endpoints working in Known!
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[cleverdevil] https://github.com/cleverdevil/Known/commit/f0cc0fd3b9aadc5b53cedea4f5e3c537416143df
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[cleverdevil] Next up: adding tests before creating pull request.
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sketchess nah, I think that was it for me, looks like my brother is grabbing the network resources again
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[cleverdevil] PR created.
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@Yosita46682647 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/879061323660673024)
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@cleverdevil Success! Just added Micropub Media Endpoint support for @WithKnown! #IWS2017 #HackDay ? (https://cleverdevil.io/s/lIxVh) (twitter.com/_/status/879061549540880384)
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j12t Anybody here who could slap together a simple log for http://indietech.rocks/ ?
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j12t *logo that is
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sketchess :D It was really fun. I enjoyed it everybody beeing busy. We should do that more often. I should do that more often. Takes truly life into the corner, thihi. I wish everybody a good morning / evening.
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++ !
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[cleverdevil] So, I am either going to work on busting up Micropub into bits and pieces inside plugins for Known..... or I am going to start brainstorming on the /Reader that we discussed yesterday in the "Pulling it all together" session...
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sketchess and sweet dreams
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dougbeal|mb1 Registration failed, so I'm going with http://??.mocro.ws
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GWG tantek, come rescue me?
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aaronpk GWG: b.r.t
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tantek oops
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hanging out with the IndieWeb Summit crew!" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-25 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/hanging-out-with-the-indieweb-summit-crew
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Excited for day two of #IWS2017! Starting off by helping attendees get started with @WordPress and #IndieWeb." by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-25 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/excited-for-day-two-of-iws2017-starting-off-by-helping
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KartikPrabhu j12t: what kind of logo?
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j12t KartikPrabhu: something that looks cute and makes the site more interesting than a bunch of text. Don't know anything about that. This is what it is all about it: http://indietech.rocks/about/
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snarfed [cleverdevil] the htaccess line we're using is SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1
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KartikPrabhu j12t: aah, the first idea I had was to use a text-like icon :P
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j12t KartikPrabhu: as long as it is not black on white, anything will be an improvement :-)
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[cleverdevil] snarfed https://github.com/georgestephanis/application-passwords/wiki/Basic-Authorization-Header----Missing
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++ thx
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[jeanmacdonald] I still have some Micro.blog invites to hand out. Any remote attendees interested? Tag me and I’ll tag you back with a code!
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aaronpk micro.blog++
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Loqi micro.blog has 3 karma
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KartikPrabhu j12t: Ill give it a college try this evening. writing a article on placeholder images right now
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Zegnat [jeanmacdonald], I haven’t been able to look at it yet, code could be fun!
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j12t KartikPrabhu -- excellent. Do you have a github account? I can add you to the indietechrocks "organization" so you could add it yourself
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ben_thatmustbeme [jeanmacdonald]: i'd be interested in one
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KartikPrabhu j12t: i'll send you a link to what I come up with. if you like it i can add it to the github
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ben_thatmustbeme just released a fix to microformats-ruby
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a thing i got done today
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j12t KartikPrabhu: That works, too.
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@macgenie Thank you @DreamHost for sponsoring @IndieWebSummit karaoke tonight at @voiceboxpdx! I hope @cleverdevil will do a duet with me. (twitter.com/_/status/879081744888201218)
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[anomalily] People at IWS- come get zines. Take a brain/screen break. Acquire paper.
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schmarty Also people at IWS - come do a 1-minute interview for the This Week in IndieWeb Audio Edition. I'm in the Hub room.
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schmarty We're up to 10 people interviewed and I'd love to get a few more. :}
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@anomalily Question that came out of #indieweb last night: why are there no combination cat cafe/karaoke venues? (twitter.com/_/status/879086959955595265)
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schmarty Anybody left who wants to do a 1-minute interview for the audio edition? If not, I am going to pack up in about 5 minutes.
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@skddc Working on syncing Strava rides to one's website at the #indieweb summit hack day. Just set up Huginn, so I can sync anything eventually. (twitter.com/_/status/879089965199745025)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Working on syncing Strava rides to one's website at the #indieweb summit hack day. Just set up Huginn, so I can sync anything eventually." by Sebastian Kippe on 2017-06-25 https://updates.kip.pe/2017/working-on-syncing-strava-rides-to-ones-website-at-the
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j12t List of products that don't screw us is growing at http://indietech.rocks/products/ -- additions please!
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sebsel j12t what is the definition of "don't screw us up"?
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Zegnat Fingers crossed! Removing my entire personal site and replacing it completely.
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@tomwiththeweath nice list of products that don't screw us: http://indietech.rocks/products/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/879092497120501760)
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misuba I'm downstairs, can someone let me in?
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misuba Made it as far as the lobby
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[asteres] jeanmacdonald I'm interested in trying micro.blog!
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@anomalily #indieweb let us in! (twitter.com/_/status/879095777552879617)
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aaronpk tantek: ^^
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tantek on it
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sebsel but they are using silos to gain access! :o
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sebsel there should be IndieAuth on the door
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[kevinmarks] The jokes write themselves here https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/877705092043907072
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@jennschiffer Web Performance https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC48H13VYAU133d.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/877705092043907072)
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snarfed [anomalily]: wordpress snippet to auto-unspam all webmentions: https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy#Spam
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j12t sebsel: working definition: http://indietech.rocks/values/
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j12t Does this about cover the important parts?
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@indietechrocks Hello, Indie World from #indieweb summit Portland, OR. http://indietech.rocks/update/2017/06/25/hello-indie-world.html (twitter.com/_/status/879102416091729920)
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j12t Hey, apparently the new Twitter account for @indietechrocks was picked up by Loqi.
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Zegnat Anything with the hashtag indieweb gets picked up
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j12t Always good to see it works :-)
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@Johannes_Ernst Helping create http://indietech.rocks/ at #indieweb summit today. First version on-line. (twitter.com/_/status/879104063119302656)
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[jeanmacdonald] Would someone come downstairs to let me back in? tantek
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tantek on it
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Zegnat I didn’t think I was going to make it, but now I am happy to have done a refresh of my personal site :D
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snarfed Zegnat++
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[jeanmacdonald] asteres: here you go. indieweb-10. (Go to Micro.blog/register)
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snarfed GWG: https://snarfed.org/functions.php.txt
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Zegnat [jeanmacdonald], did you have any left? Not sure if you saw my previous reaction :)
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GWG snarfed: You don't need to remove the style sheet for syndication links. I added a black icon option for you
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[asteres] jeanmacdonald thanks, signed up!
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[asteres] logged into my wordpress today to find all sorts of indieweb updates! Good job folks.
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[asteres] dshanske++
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KartikPrabhu GWG++ transferring karma given by [asteres] to dshanske
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'm just going to leave this graph of software powering the #indieweb here. cc @erinjo" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/im-just-going-to-leave-this-graph-of-software-powering
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New to me: Common Crawl does a regular public crawl of the web and makes the data available to everyone. #indieweb https://commoncrawl.org/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/new-to-me-common-crawl-does-a-regular-public-crawl
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Cool! @schnarfed visualized the entire #indieweb. Here's the graph just showing Summit attendees." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/cool-schnarfed-visualized-the-entire-indieweb-heres-the-graph-just
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Worth saying: if you're helping people own their own content and monetize on their own terms, we should talk. #indieweb #imaninvestornow" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/worth-saying-if-youre-helping-people-own-their-own-content
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Extremely cool. Here's the entire #indieweb social graph of independent websites as queryable data. http://www.indiemap.org/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/extremely-cool-heres-the-entire-indieweb-social-graph-of-independent
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Loqi [superfeedr] "What's out there? @schnarfed built a web crawler in 15 lines of code and found 706K #indieweb social connections between independent sites." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/whats-out-there-schnarfed-built-a-web-crawler-in-15
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Great opening from @schnarfed, encouraging people to contribute to keep #indieweb going. (I do.)" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/great-opening-from-schnarfed-encouraging-people-to-contribute-to-keep
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""There isn't a good funnel I can push people into." @anomalily making a very good case for much easier, friendlier #indieweb resources." by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/there-isnt-a-good-funnel-i-can-push-people-into
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An aside: I've stopped displaying brid.gy webmentions publicly on my site at http://werd.io. Facebook friends were complaining. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/an-aside-ive-stopped-displaying-bridgy-webmentions-publicly-on-my
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Loqi [superfeedr] "WordPress is still the most customizable way for non-developers to host their own websites. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/wordpress-is-still-the-most-customizable-way-for-non-developers-to
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Brid.gy is an awesome way to take silo comments (on Facebook and Twitter, etc) and host them on your site so you have them. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/bridgy-is-an-awesome-way-to-take-silo-comments-on
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""I want to monetize *my* way [...] So, how does someone who's not a developer take her shit back from Facebook?" @anomalily #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/i-want-to-monetize-my-way-so-how-does-someone
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Loqi [superfeedr] ""I want to document that I made it." @anomalily wants to host her own work, and attach to her identity, so she can show it's" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 https://werd.io/2017/i-want-to-document-that-i-made-it-anomalily-wants
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Two years of being on the #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2015-07-11 http://werd.io/2015/two-years-of-being-on-the-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Introduction to the IndieWeb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2014-01-07 http://werd.io/2014/introduction-to-the-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An #Indieweb catchup over food and drink" by Ben Werdmüller on 2013-10-22 http://werd.io/2013/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb Dinner" by Ben Werdmüller on 2013-11-01 http://werd.io/2013/indieweb-dinner
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KartikPrabhu woah!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Says @anomalily: "I am not a developer". But she's been building and hosting her own website, on her terms, for 20 years. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/says-anomalily-i-am-not-a-developer-but-shes-been
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A wonderful #indieweb moment as @anomalily talks through the history of her website at http://anomalily.net" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/a-wonderful-indieweb-moment-as-anomalily-talks-through-the-history
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Webmention, micropub and websub are huge, and simple to integrate, ingredients for adding social functionality to the web itself. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/webmention-micropub-and-websub-are-huge-and-simple-to-integrate
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Websub, the publish/subscribe protocol formerly known as pubsubhubbub, is a W3C candidate recommendation. #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/websub-the-publishsubscribe-protocol-formerly-known-as-pubsubhubbub-is-a
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmüller on 2015-12-08 https://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community
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KartikPrabhu what is indiemap?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiemap" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme Ben flood. Yikes
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gRegorLove Demo time starting shortly
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[chrisaldrich] I'd love one for @ricmac who's remote from New Zealand this weekend
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Zegnat warms fingers for note-taking on demos
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Zegnat sound check is good aaronpk
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gRegorLove Any remotes want to share their demos in chat?
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gRegorLove ... though we're just about to start.
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@MichelleJLevine Last minutes of hacking before demos at #indieweb https://twitter.com/MichelleJLevine/status/879113520327020544/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/879113520327020544)
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Zegnat I’ll write-up my demo later. Or force myself onto the screen with a screenshare if there are 5 minutes left in the end
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Zegnat johannus upon2020.com
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Zegnat little project, but hopefully useful
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Zegnat indietech.rocks
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Zegnat static site generated from jekyll
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Zegnat purpose is to list products that are “not out to screw you”
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Zegnat some new things, like open sprinkler, an open-source sprinkler system
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Zegnat he would like to go somewhere where he finds out if there is a product that does not spy on him
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gRegorLove Johannes demoing indietech.rocks btw, upon2020 is his personal site
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Zegnat definition is under value on the site
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KartikPrabhu watches youtube for demos
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Zegnat uses githubs jekyll integration
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Zegnat adding a product only requires 1 file edit with a little markup
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Zegnat anybody should be able to add stuff
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Zegnat wants to create a github org so more people can start adding software to it
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KartikPrabhu wait what's the youtube for the demos?
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu promised to make a logo (?)
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gRegorLove youtube.com/indiewebcamp should have livestream
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aaronpk should be on https://www.youtube.com/indiewebcamp
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZciouaSuPHY
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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Zegnat someones primary reason for being up there is to allow others to keep working on their demos ;)
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Zegnat who is this? scott?
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gRegorLove Scott Jenson jenson.org
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Zegnat scott jenson worked on a design, and put it on the etherpad page
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Zegnat he re-indie-webised his site
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Zegnat rel-me links added
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Zegnat he loves that “nothing changed”
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Zegnat he did not want to clutter up his homepage with the slow long form articles
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Zegnat a. make sure the WP only shows his articles
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Zegnat b. have a separate stream with photos, notes, bookmarks, etc
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Zegnat next up Marty schmarty
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Zegnat mmg.re (?)
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Zegnat started doing ownyourswarm
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Zegnat if you are in a place with others you get h-cards with others who were there
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Zegnat his static jekyll system died when it recieved this
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Zegnat he now handles this data before jekyll gets at it
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Zegnat has been working on the This Week in the IndieWeb podcast process
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Zegnat it has been documented on the wiki
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Zegnat he hopes to automate some of this process
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Zegnat where diffs of the wiki taken from the newsletter will become a good summary
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Zegnat did 12 one-minute interviews
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Zegnat thanking [chrisaldrich]
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Zegnat probably going to put 1 in each of the 12 next audio newsletters
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Zegnat dougbeal had the best idea in the world, so spiderweb-weddingring.ws was registered (with actual emoji)
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Zegnat for the upcoming indieweb webring
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Zegnat next up ward
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gRegorLove "can only spiders join the webring or is it open to humans?" -- me
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Zegnat wanted to hook the fedwiki and the indieweb together
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schmarty "don't you test me, gregor" -- me
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Zegnat today he (and aaronpk) hooked up Quill to be able to post to FedWiki
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schmarty ?
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Zegnat Created a plugin in fedwiki that “publishes”
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Zegnat Micropub server endpoint for RSS plugin
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KartikPrabhu that is a damn good drag-drop publish!
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Zegnat (gRegorLove can you read any of those URLs?)
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Zegnat shows some posts he added at the end of the fedwiki
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schmarty they are extremely long urls :|
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Zegnat and what it looks like in quill
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gRegorLove (crap, sorry just went off screen)
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Zegnat maybe ping ward for some of them later?
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gRegorLove ward.asia.wiki.org
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gRegorLove micropub page within that
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Zegnat next up Grant, grant.codes
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Zegnat thanks gRegorLove!
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Zegnat worked a bit on his micropub client
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Zegnat postrchildbot. ? .io
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gRegorLove postrchildbot.tpxl.io
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Zegnat microsoft bot framework
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Zegnat gives him FB Messenger, Skype, and Slack bots
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Zegnat as well as a web UI
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[kevinmarks] hm, I have a federated wiki on my site from a few IWC's ago, maybe I should revive it
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Zegnat supports deleting and undeleting posts
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Zegnat client now supports more than his actual website
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Zegnat demoing on micropub.rocks
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Zegnat shows his auth flow on screen (steal all the keys!)
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Zegnat it will give a URL, that will let you supply it with a token back to the bot
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Zegnat if you give it a URL, it will know he wants to update/delete (if his own site), and for other URLs reply/like/repost
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Zegnat Hits delete, micropub.rocks shows the delete worked, even though the bot complained
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Zegnat anomalily wants it
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Zegnat did two things today. One is actual, one is thinking about doing
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Zegnat demos a Known install that supports the Micropub Media Endpoint! :D
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Zegnat Hopefully
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Zegnat Does a live test
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Zegnat It worked!
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Zegnat Spent the afternoon thinking about the reading experiment in the indieweb
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Zegnat has slideware for us
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Zegnat creating a thing called “together”
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[kevinmarks] ooh, does that mean ownyourswarm will work wiht known now?
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Zegnat “Our puzzle is incomplete” all the nice standards, CMS, create, publish, interact
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Zegnat but consumption and discovery is lacking
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Zegnat i.e. reading
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Zegnat “Bring your indieweb experience together”
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Zegnat read (microsub) / create (micropub) / interact (micropub...)
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[anomalily] I have a feature request for grantcodes - can you make it so that there is a "category setting" choice for micropub for POSTs via chat.
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Zegnat The idea is to have “channels” and have a stream you can follow
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Zegnat Maybe link off to Quill for interaction
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Zegnat it does not exist. only a picture.
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Zegnat but there is a repo, with a README!
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Zegnat github.com/cleverdevil/together
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[kevinmarks] cleverdevil - have you seen woodwind?
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Zegnat next up gRegorLove - gRegorLove.com
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KartikPrabhu cleverdevil++ neat reader idea
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Loqi cleverdevil has 32 karma in this channel (43 overall)
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KartikPrabhu big R little g
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[kevinmarks] the way tags work there could be your channels
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Zegnat also has a domain gregoreatworld.com ... and some hard URL that he will post here later ;)
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[cleverdevil] kevinmarks yes! And I like it, may actually ask to build with/on it.
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Zegnat worked on adding citations to quill
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Zegnat can be any URL, blogpost / book / academic work
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Zegnat want to read / currently reading
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Zegnat (one more)
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Zegnat Live demoing of the patched quill
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[cleverdevil] kevinmarks right now, I want to focus on the UI/UX, and then figure out how to make it work.
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[cleverdevil] Could very well be a new presentation layer for woodwind, I dunno.
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Zegnat Just posted: https://gregorlove.com/2017/06/want-to-read-testing-1/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Want to read: Testing
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Zegnat Will hopefully learn to keep track of books you are reading, and then allow you to quickly post notes about those without reentering all info about the book
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Zegnat jackjamieson.net
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Zegnat worked on getting the book stuff showing on the site
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Zegnat modified the theme to use the meta, show the author
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Zegnat “the other side of gRegor’s project”
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[kevinmarks] is that from OpenLibrary?
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Zegnat next up anomalily.net
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Zegnat spent the entire day “tom sawyering” ryan, david, aaron
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Zegnat dfn: complained until others helped her, made releases, made things work
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gRegorLove ( bkpub.gregoreatworld.com )
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Zegnat maps were not displaying on her checkins
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Zegnat because of google maps api issue
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Zegnat the solution ended up being to get Ryan to push a release of the micropub WP plugin to get OwnYourSwarm working
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GWG Tom Sawyer made it sound appetizing to help
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[kevinmarks] Tom Sawyer persuaded everyone else to paint a fence for him
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Zegnat Now she has beatiful maps
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Zegnat and then it started behaving itself again, because threatened by ownyourswarm, maybe?!
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Zegnat Coolest part for her: OYS gives webmentions for how she gets points on swarm
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[kevinmarks] http://www.pbs.org/marktwain/learnmore/writings_tom.html
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Zegnat working on a current location popup on the front page, but not done yet, but current location is still in footer
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gRegorLove Ryan snarfed.org
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Zegnat first thing he did was selfdogfood the visualisation of the social graph around himself
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Zegnat just an embed of the tool shown yesterday
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KartikPrabhu hey there me :)
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Zegnat finds his connection to KevinMarks
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Zegnat snarfed.org/socialgraph
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[kevinmarks] I'm here
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gRegorLove indiemap.org/[yourdomain].json
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Zegnat more interesting part might be all the domains you linked to, so we might be able to autogenerate webrings/blogrolls
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Zegnat Couple of “small” things: Micropub works with OYS now
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Zegnat Still wants to work on ostatusbridge (see session notes from yesterday)
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Zegnat They found some little things about making better mentioning work etc.
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gRegorLove Jim Jimpick.com
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Zegnat two little things
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[kevinmarks] just found a site I'd forgotten about in my indiemap
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Zegnat 1. amazon iot button, press it, updates firebase automatically
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Zegnat can be chained onto other things
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@anomalily Just demoed my newly pretty check-ins on http://anomalily.net, which I implemented at #indieweb thanks to @schnarfed @dshanske + @aaronpk (twitter.com/_/status/879120514291191808)
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Zegnat 2. experiments with dat project and beaker browser for distributed web
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Zegnat can run off of many different servers
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Zegnat url becomes a big long number
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Zegnat he looks at it for podcasts
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Zegnat but could work well for indiewebsites like static websites
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Zegnat can get link friendly “things” thanks to SSL certs (somehow)
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gRegorLove https://dat.jimpick.com and dat://date.jimpick.com
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gRegorLove and dat://[reallylonghash]
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Zegnat really excited about not being centralised
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Zegnat wants many replicas get done at once
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gRegorLove s/date/dat/
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Zegnat different websites with different hashes. Can publish a list of the hashes he wants mirrored, and then get it into one file (?)
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[kevinmarks] what kind of hash are they?
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Zegnat (demoing small screens is very hard to follow for me on stream)
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Zegnat a dozen mirrors could listen to the file, and then instantly mirror hashes he adds to the file
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aaronpk (it's hard to see in the room here too)
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Zegnat way to do cheap (basically free) hosting for indieweb type stuff
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gRegorLove KevinMarks_: Not sure, I hadn't heard about dat before this weekend
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gRegorLove next Doug dougbeal.com
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Zegnat spent a couple of hours thinking about POSSE/PESOS for reading
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Zegnat librarything and goodreads
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Zegnat what he did accomplish is getting checkins onto his blog
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Zegnat demos emoji domain getting? [huh?]
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gRegorLove i <3 domains domain search for emoji .ws TLD domains
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Zegnat did not get to indieweb part of what he was doing
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Zegnat [who?]
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schmarty KevinMarks: afaik dat URLs are hashes of the key that signs the content
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Zegnat basti
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Zegnat is on
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Zegnat https://sebastian.kip.pe/
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Loqi Sebastian Kippe
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gRegorLove (Doub got OYS working/updated, showed maps on his checkins)
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gRegorLove *Doug. Can't type today.
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Zegnat Looked at a open source alternative to IFTTT
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gRegorLove Shows huggin github page
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[kevinmarks] not a hash of the content then?
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Zegnat can get data and send post requests when a trigger goes off
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Zegnat treying to get it to send micropub isntead of normal post
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Zegnat tried setting it up with strava rides
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Zegnat created a strava service, and got that working with oatuh
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Zegnat and got an “agent” running that checks strava activities
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Zegnat and that would then need to be chained with a sender “agent” that can then post to twitter / to micropub / to anything
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Zegnat shows how huginn got one activity imported from strava
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Zegnat the challenge is to take the data for one activity and convert it into tags/microformats for all the data
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Zegnat it is not really a trip from a to b, but also a lot of extra data like elevation, segments, and more
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Zegnat would love help with the steps he has left
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[kevinmarks] SVG with microformats for strava?
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Zegnat (ping sebsel on this, who I believe wants to hook strave to his site!)
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gRegorLove next up hereistomwiththeweather.com
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[kevinmarks] looks like DAT is sha256
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gRegorLove s/hereis/heres/
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[kevinmarks] so could make it interop with hasharchive and my svgur experiements
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Zegnat tom learned about voxpelli’s micropub 2 github service
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Zegnat that helped him to set-up micropub for the first time, and use him quill
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Zegnat (use him quill?...)
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Zegnat beginner stuff, but that is what he got working today
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gRegorLove tantek.com up
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Zegnat j_juran up? :p
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gRegorLove Nope
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gRegorLove Josh Juran
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schmarty j/k, j_juran up
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gRegorLove Don't mind me
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gRegorLove don't test me, schmarty
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Zegnat first thing he did was add an h-card with photo to resend his RSVP to indieweb
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Zegnat but did not end up working
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schmarty ?
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Zegnat got something else working: vcode with commas removed that gets parsed as vobject and inserted into a bigger structure (HTML) and rendered as sub block in that structure
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gRegorLove NOW tantek.com
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Zegnat tantek.com is up
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Zegnat yeah, this voice I recognise :D
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Zegnat indieweb.org/Falcon has his itches
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snarfed grant's http://postrchildbot.tpxl.io/ is fun!
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snarfed but aww, it says "Error fetching url" when i give it my domain to log in
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Zegnat more like a mark-up management system than a content management system
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Zegnat today he decided to work on event posts
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Zegnat has the minimum viable event posts on his site now
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Zegnat posted an event for HWC http://tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla SF!
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Zegnat ran out of time to get creative with CSS
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Zegnat But does not break and looks “somewhat” normal on his site
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snarfed opens https://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=http://tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club
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snarfed it's an h-event!
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snarfed with start, end, location, organizer, etc
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Zegnat the permalink is the startdate of the event, not today
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Zegnat still says when it was created down below
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Zegnat look behind the scenes https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2017%2F179%2Fe1%2Fhomebrew-website-club
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Zegnat Firefox now has a JSON viewer (brand promotion!)
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Zegnat h-event is the top element
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Zegnat copies published and updated from h-entry
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KartikPrabhu tantek: do you use some text-authoring for the events too?
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Zegnat found a bug in the python parser
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Zegnat hardest part was to have it show up in the feed
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gRegorLove Finding bugs in mf2py, tantkes hentry h-event parses as h-event h-entry
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[kevinmarks] test case plz
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gRegorLove On http://tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla SF!
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Zegnat not sure if he wants it shown up when he creates it, or if he wants to post separate posts for it
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4p2g9q__.jpg
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Zegnat now his h-feed is a composite h-feed containing both h-entry and h-event
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Zegnat (note that it is not the first to do this, and /event used to have a note about this for parsers)
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Zegnat wants to get to showing RSVPs
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Zegnat wonders if any JS can embed RSVPs easily
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gRegorLove snarfed: "I bet voxpelli's js shows RSVPs"
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Zegnat would not be surprised
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[kevinmarks] I sent an RSVP, so you can try it
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[kevinmarks] ?
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Zegnat next up podviaznikov.com
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes - markup authoring for the events as I do my articles
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Zegnat building his own personal cms / personal wiki
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KartikPrabhu tantek: neat!
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Zegnat he added support for jsonfeed.org today
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Zegnat When he creates a new post it is instantly added to the feed
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gRegorLove demo urls on 4anton.montaigne.io
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Zegnat One small feature for the day
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gRegorLove next up GWG
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Zegnat unapologetic wordpress user
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snarfed filed https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/82 for tantek's mf1 backcompat top-level class bug in mf2py
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Loqi [snarfed] #82 an mf2 class should override any mf1 (back-compat) class on the same element
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Zegnat over the course of the last day he did several things
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Zegnat including being hucklebarry finn
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tantek snarfed++ thank you!
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Loqi snarfed has 275 karma in this channel (284 overall)
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Zegnat after this morning’s session he changed his plans and started working on the Bridgy plugin so you can register for the different bridges within there
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Zegnat this was talked about in known vs wordpress yesterday
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Zegnat doesn’t look pretty yet, but it works and makes set-up much easier
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Zegnat didn’t do much new features, but did make it easier for people to reach the location features he has built