#indieweb 2017-06-27

2017-06-27 UTC
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@aaronpk Lost a bit of the #indieweb demo recordings yesterday because Wirecast crashed! This is why I don't like using computers for livestreaming! (twitter.com/_/status/879501332893151233)
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@aaronpk Thankfully @martijnvdven was watching remotely and took very thorough notes in text! https://indieweb.org/2017/Demos (twitter.com/_/status/879502125323112448)
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dougbeal|mb1 :train: o/
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[miklb] Understandably there’s some hesitation at this point to have a kitchen sink WP plugin, including the existing IndieWeb WordPress plugin. My latest crazy idea is a new “IndiePack” plugin that would auto-install the primary plugins for those looking for a more one-click. I’d love any thoughts https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/29#issuecomment-311222003
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Loqi [miklb] So another idea that came to me this evening. A whole new plugin, IndiePack if you will, that is that one click install all the things for someone who wants that and leave the IndieWeb plugin as is with an a la carte install option. Would just be a m...
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Loqi [superfeedr] "? A relatively comprehensive list of Indieweb sites" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/26/the-2300-sites-in-the-public-indieweb-social-graph-and-dataset/
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@ChrisAldrich ? A relatively comprehensive list of Indieweb sites http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/26/the-2300-sites-in-the-public-indieweb-social-graph-and-dataset/ (twitter.com/_/status/879506651077857282)
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GWG I need help with a phrase
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GWG "Rich Embed Support for Whitelisted Sites" - I need a more universal way to say use oEmbed.
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dougbeal What is oEmbed
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Loqi oEmbed is a 2009-era JSON-based format for providing information to construct a link-preview of a page https://indieweb.org/oEmbed
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dougbeal Preview trusted sites inline?
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@BlueprintNMedia indieweb/wordpress-uf2 https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Findieweb%2Fwordpress-uf2%2Fissues%2F29&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjE2MzgzNWQyYmUzMmZmNGM6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGpOOCNU6gN2d7ycdUdEdzYKoHjwg #WordPress #plugin (twitter.com/_/status/879513325377400832)
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GWG Is it a 'preview'?
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[grantcodes] anomalily RE category for posts from http://postrchildbot.tpxl.io/ if you use the command `advancedpost` then it will ask you to fill out (or skip) a whole bunch of fields including category
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dougbeal hurm, is this what iMessage does?
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dougbeal Inline excerpt of a trusted site?
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[miklb] what about just dropping the “white listed” part?
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[miklb] that part could be explained further into the docs.
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GWG [miklb]: There's also, "Native Display for Popular Sites" ?
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GWG Or just..embed popular sites.
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dougbeal What is the context? Is it marketing or a description?
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Loqi context is something that depends on the context, like a reply typically has a reply-context https://indieweb.org/context
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dougbeal Bad Loqi
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GWG dougbeal: The configuration setting?
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dougbeal GWG: is there anything like tooltips to go into more detail?
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GWG Could be
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dougbeal GWG: so it is a high level descriptive, but if you want a more technical overview, tooltip it
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GWG "Embed Sites in Responses where Possible?"
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GWG "Embed Sites into Your Response"
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dougbeal Oh, you are pushing out your information for someone else to display?
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GWG dougbeal: No.
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dougbeal GWG: ok, that what I thought from the latest. I think i'm going to loose LTE soon, and also everything is fuzy now ;/
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GWG Ok
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j_juran GWG: “Trusted Site Blurbs"?
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GWG The ones I generate are trusted too though
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mblaney !tell ricmac https://unicyclic.com can import chrisaldrich's opml file. You can try it yourself if you have relMeAuth working, or you're welcome to create a normal account (there's a link to the registration page on the home page.)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mblaney ....saying that it isn't finding the name of the feed, I'll have to look into that.
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mblaney what is relMeAuth?
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Loqi relmeauth is an open source PHP library implementation of the RelMeAuth protocol https://indieweb.org/relmeauth
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@treitnauer A public timeline for the IndieWeb https://reitnauer.com/updates/public-timeline-for-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/879526861503512576)
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mblaney what is rel-me?
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Loqi Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/rel-me
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Jean MacDonald on Twitter: "#IndieWeb Summit was incredible. I so appreciate @mozilla hosting in their groovy offices. And @DreamHost sponsored karaoke! ? @aaronpk @t https://t.co/eX6aO5HPLR"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-26 https://twitter.com/macgenie/status/879366147417583616
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Ben Werdmuller on Twitter: "@macgenie @cleverdevil @aaronpk "Iiiii'm .. having the time of my liiiiiiife .. and I marked it all up in MF2" #indieweb #nobodyputsbridgyinthecorner"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-26 https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/879226746838564865
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I had an amazing time at #IWS2017. Excited for the future of the open web! #IndieWeb" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-26 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/i-had-an-amazing-time-at-iws2017-excited-for-the
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@WPproduct indieweb/wordpress-uf2 https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Findieweb%2Fwordpress-uf2%2Fissues%2F29&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGmQ3MWIyYTRiNDNkODQ4NWY6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGpOOCNU6gN2d7ycdUdEdzYKoHjwg #wordpressplugin (twitter.com/_/status/879537418986246144)
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[miklb] what got that picked up by this Twitter bots?
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[miklb] s/this/these/
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GWG I hate regex
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[miklb] what are you regex-ing
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GWG meta tags
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GWG For you, technically
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[miklb] lol. meta tags?
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GWG Foursquare uses them
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GWG I was trying to figure out why it doesn't do a link preview
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[miklb] ?
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GWG Apparently, the regex didn't recognize if the properties were reversed. I used the one in Press This
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GWG I am also not good at regex
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[miklb] I only know one person who thinks they are good at regex, and he literally wrote the book on mod_rewrite
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@Kraft I’ve converted over all existing webmention likes/reposts to facepiles. Non-square or 404ing avatars still problematic. Slowly... #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/879545542044512256)
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mblaney just added chrisaldrich's opml file to https://unicyclic.com/indieweb (there was a lot of overlap already)
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gRegorLove Good evening, indieweb
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gRegorLove is finally back home. Phew.
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dougbeal|iOS gRegorLove: beat me, pulling in soon to TAC
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GWG Evening
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gRegorLove I think the next IWC I go to needs to be further away so I'll definitely fly. Like LA. *cough* [chrisaldrich] *cough*
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dougbeal|iOS aaronpk: I've been meaning to ask, to get OwnYouGram to work automatically, I need to configure a hashtag?
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gRegorLove :)
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dougbeal|iOS GWG eventing
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dougbeal|iOS Or OC! Disney land ?
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gRegorLove Oops, we didn't do a group photo on day 2, did we?
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aaronpk we forgot a group photo on sunday!
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aaronpk dougbeal|iOS: ownyourgram will work automatically as soon as you sign in
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aaronpk there's some polling tiers so if you don't see anything right now that could be why: https://ownyourgram.com/docs
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GWG Reading the OGP in Foursquare venues. Not very Indieweb
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@WordPressBeeA2 indieweb/wordpress-uf2 #WordPress https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Findieweb%2Fwordpress-uf2%2Fissues%2F29&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGmExYThkZTljMmU3MDQyZGE6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGpOOCNU6gN2d7ycdUdEdzYKoHjwg (twitter.com/_/status/879558207957590016)
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j12t Thanks KartikPrabhu for an animated (!!) logo for http://indietech.rocks/ . It is live right there, check it out!
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Loqi j12t: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: do you have any particular colour scheme in mind for indietech.rocks? or I can make one up
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Loqi j12t: KartikPrabhu left you a message 21 hours, 14 minutes ago: I tried to make a logo for indietech.rocks https://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/indietech.html
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: I think GWG was interested in your volunteering of logo skills :)
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j12t !tell KartikPrabhu : Thank you!! I resized it a bit but it is live!! I also invited you into the Github project.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu looks neat!c ;)
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: j12t left you a message 1 minute ago: : Thank you!! I resized it a bit but it is live!! I also invited you into the Github project.
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@AndySylvester99 @benwerd, I really enjoyed your posts from the 2017 IndieWeb Summit, thanks for your work! (twitter.com/_/status/879560549209526272)
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j12t Everybody: would love your product additions to http://indietech.rocks/products/ , and some link love :-)
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j12t And of course making the site nicer. It needs work ...
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KartikPrabhu j12t: also feel free to use the colour scheme from the logo for the entire site
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j12t KartikPrabhu: the only color scheme I know anything about is syntax highlighting in my editor ... I don't think I'm qualified!
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KartikPrabhu oh I meant in the CSS
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KartikPrabhu like using the orange and the blue for links or something
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j12t the something is the problem. I can try, but not today.
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KartikPrabhu j12t: sure thing
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@MichelleJLevine Version of new personal site is LIVE! Thanks everyone at #indieweb this weekend who helped / encouraged / inspired! http://www.michellejl.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/879571611262664704)
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[miklb] would “Contributing to Content” and “Primary Content” be representative labels for radio buttons for u-featured and u-photo?
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: what's represnetative labels mean?
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[miklb] I’m adding a field to the WP image attachment screen to allow user to add either u-featured or u-photo class. Instead of just calling the buttons by mf2 name, was trying to come up with a label to differentiate between the 2.
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KartikPrabhu how about, "use as photo content" and "use as featured image"
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KartikPrabhu also u-photo can be u-featured so they are not mutually exclusive
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[miklb] WordPress has a separate “Featured Image” thing.
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KartikPrabhu <sigh>
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[miklb] OK, now I’m confused. I understood the explanation to be that it was binary.
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: no. u-photo is for the primary photo content. u-featured is for any image that is a representative image for the post. you can have a photo post where one of the images is used as a representative
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: Are there examples of u-photo also being u-featured? I don't follow that example
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[miklb] what is featured
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Loqi featured is a proposed mf2 property (typically as u-featured) for h-entry that indicates a representative image for a primarily textual post https://indieweb.org/featured
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KartikPrabhu [miklb], gRegorLove here is an example: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/facets-visions the third image is a u-photo (since it is a photo post) and also u-featured
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Facets & Visions
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KartikPrabhu it is the image used in my feed as a featured image here https://kartikprabhu.com/articles
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[miklb] so that dfn for featured needs to be changed? “representative image for primarily textual post”
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gRegorLove I don't think the dfn needs to change; seems more like an edge case example.
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: oh! yeah maybe. but i don't know if anyone does this. I always thought of u-featured as any representative example
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gRegorLove Important question to keep in mind with microformats is "what's consuming it, and what are those consumers doing with it?"
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KartikPrabhu I don't see why u-photo and u-featured are exclusive
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KartikPrabhu h-cite and h-entry are not exclusive
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KartikPrabhu so who cares
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gRegorLove u-featured on a post full of photos is like selecting a cover image for a collection, so it's corollary to u-featured for text.
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[miklb] I’m just the new guy ? That’s how I understood the explanations.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah, that is how I treat them
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: new opinions are important too ;)
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gRegorLove The WordPress UI for featured photos is a really common use case, so I think you're on the right track miklb
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[miklb] KartikPrabhu Sure, I’m full of them ? Just not on the semantics of u-photo vs u-featured.
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KartikPrabhu iirc the "featured" name for the vocabulary was derived from the wordpress use
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[miklb] gRegorLove the thing is, attaching a featured image can be a very different thing than inserting a photo into a post and wanting it to POSSE. I’m trying to tackle from real world expectations.
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: in wordpress it is
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[miklb] I mean, for my personal site, I attach a featured image to articles, and then have a function to apply u-featured to those images. But may also write a note and want to POSSE an image with it. I understand and am comfortable editing the class. Those reliant on the RTE, that’s not as much an option.
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: my point was that "it can be different, but does not *have* to be different"
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[miklb] it?
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KartikPrabhu the image
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[miklb] I’m lost now
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KartikPrabhu the featured image can be different from the photos but it does not have to be different
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KartikPrabhu you can pick one of the photos as featured too
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gRegorLove I'm getting lost too, heh
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KartikPrabhu like gRegorLove said it is like picking a photo from an album to be the featured one
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gRegorLove Ah, think I'm caught up.
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[miklb] that’s totally cool. I was just going by the wiki definition
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KartikPrabhu you could pick an existing photo frpom the album or pick an entirely different one
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gRegorLove I guess I'm suggesting miklb not worry about that scenario since it seems less common and might make for more confusing UX in WP
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: yeah, the wiki dfn emphasises the "textual post" a bit too much i suppose
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah also fair
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[miklb] Well, I could make them checkboxes, but I’m trying to simplify it for a user less familiar with mf2 classes on images. If it’s confusing in a conversation between us, imagine just wanting their photo from their blog post to show up on Facebook.
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[miklb] Not going to care too much if u-featured also applies to a gallery of u-photo
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[miklb] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: this is my usage. might not be consensus
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gRegorLove "I want to post a photo on my site and to [social site]" is a good use-case. And "I want to post an article that has a featured image" is a good use-case
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gRegorLove Start with those and you've covered a lot of situations.
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KartikPrabhu yeah I agree
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gRegorLove I *think* the only consumer of u-photo right now is /this-week newsletter
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KartikPrabhu bridgy
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KartikPrabhu for POSSE
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gRegorLove Ah, right, of course. haah
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KartikPrabhu I don't think bridgy uses u-featured though
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[miklb] that’s basically how I’m looking at it. But article with an image inserted isn’t same as a WP featured image, thus why I’d like to allow them to add u-featured to such.
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[miklb] It does
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: it does? how?
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[miklb] add u-featured or u-photo to a post and both will POSSE
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KartikPrabhu aah interesting!
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gRegorLove That's why I said "article that has a featured image", not just one with an image in the post body
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KartikPrabhu i have never POSSEd article to Twitter so I didn't realise that
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[miklb] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/741
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KartikPrabhu through Bridgy I mean
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Loqi [tantek] #741 Bridgy Publish to Twitter should consider u-featured fallback for u-photo for article use-case
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KartikPrabhu maybe I'll try that next tomorrow when my futured article goes live
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gRegorLove Always learning new Bridgy tricks. :)
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gRegorLove Speaking of, it was rad to meet Doctor Bridgy (snarfed) himself this weekend.
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GWG Someone buy him that t-shirt
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[miklb] so that’s why I was asking if Contributing to Content and Primary Content would be a layman explanation of what class to apply
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[miklb] for the labels
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gRegorLove "Contributing to Content" sounds a bit clunky to me
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KartikPrabhu wants to meet Dr. Bridgy!
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gRegorLove [miklb]: How about "Make this the featured image for the post" and "Make this photo the primary content of the post"?
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gRegorLove Sleep time for me. G'night!
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[miklb] Kinda a lot of text for a radio button, was trying to be concise. Not a lot of real estate. Planning on having some contributing text though.
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Zegnat Good morning to you IndieWeb! :D
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j_juran Zegnat: Good morning!
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j_juran wrote an HTML parser on the train.
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@martijnvdven @sl007 I was sorry not to have caught you online to catch up during #iws2017. Will you be in Berlin in November? https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/879615576330702850)
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@martijnvdven Just a reminder to all those new followers: my Twitter is dormant except when there is #indieweb stuff going on. Don’t expect much. (twitter.com/_/status/879617272452714498)
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[kevinmarks] Unmung.com's storycards uses u-featured
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Farticles
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[kevinmarks] It falls back to u-photo
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@cswordpress Better late than never! https://www.customerservant.com/better-late-never/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/879665873325367297)
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sknebel oh, cweiske: we have 2 new IRC channels that you might want to add to the search: #indieweb-meta and #indieweb-wordpress
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cweiske done
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sebsel cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 87 karma in this channel (104 overall)
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@cswordpress #indieweb https://twitter.com/nutsandbolts/status/879653639916224512 (twitter.com/_/status/879668216167051264)
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sknebel great, thank you!
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sknebel cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 88 karma in this channel (105 overall)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A few days ago, in part based on something that [Richard MacManus wrote](https://richardmacmanus.com/2017/06/22/openness-rivers-indieweb/) (and which may have prompted @scripting's response), I noticed that Inoreader differentiates" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/a-few-days-ago-in-part-based-on-something-that
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Loqi [superfeedr] ".@vboykis was just mentioned in the State of the #IndieWeb keynote speech. http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/vboykis-was-just-mentioned-in-the-state-of-the-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#IndieWeb Summit 2017 is about to stream some of the best the web has to offer. Details for chat & streaming: http://indieweb.org/2017" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/indieweb-summit-2017-is-about-to-stream-some-of-the
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[markmhendrickso anyone know how to join #indieweb-dev from slack?
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sknebel [markmhendrickso: the #dev channel
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sknebel they are all the same, just without the #indieweb prefix
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[miklb] markmhendrickson click the Channels heading and it should show you all the channels, the click #dev and it will show you a preview,then there should be an option to join that channel.
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[markmhendrickso miklb that was way easier than i expected ?
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[miklb] I’m pretty sure somewhere a Slack designer smiled.
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Zegnat [miklb], if you have the time, could you add a minimal how-to for Slack channels to /discuss on the wiki?
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[miklb] adds a to-do to his daily list
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[markmhendrickso hehe oops, i've created work ?
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[markmhendrickso imo that interaction is a bit too subtle...should have tad more discoverability. but then, i'm biased having overlooked it
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sebsel [markmhendrickso was it the name, or the actions required to join?
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[markmhendrickso sebsel it was that i simply didn't realize the label "Channels" was interactive
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Zegnat If people overlook it, it is better to have it documented on the wiki. I have never used Slack so I am the worst candidate to document it.
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sebsel Ah okay! Well, that would be a Slack thing, and we can't solve that.
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sebsel But indeed, better document it would be the solution then :)
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sebsel I must admit I had it too, if I recall correctly, the first time.
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sebsel You can also do /join dev i believe :P
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aaronpk Isn't there a little + icon next to the Channels label?
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[kevinmarks] The sidebar on slack is too low contrast really - doesn't look active
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[miklb] aaronpk there is in the iOS app, but not desktop
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[markmhendrickso aaronpk for admins there is to add channels, but not + icon for regular users
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[markmhendrickso *np
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[markmhendrickso eek, *no
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Zegnat Adding channels was specifically disabled, because we want to be able to bridge them. Originally there was a WP channel on Slack before IRC because it was not created by aaronpk.
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ben_thatmustbeme [markmhendrickso: what were you trying to add a channel for?
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ben_thatmustbeme might be worth looking at in #meta
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@fletcher0xFF The @inoreader RSS reader supports remote OPML -- subscribing to a live list of feeds shared on the #indieweb (via @ricmac). (twitter.com/_/status/879709669110972418)
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@davewiner An #indieweb thing. It's not just about having your own website, it's also the ability to edit/control your reading… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/879710196054069248 (twitter.com/_/status/879710196054069248)
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[markmhendrickso ben_thatmustbeme i was looking just to join channels, not add. above i was clarifying for aaronpk that there's no + icon to add either though (not that i need it). if that makes sense ?
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ben_thatmustbeme it does. I was more asking to see if there was something you needed and if we should change that
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ben_thatmustbeme or add more channels (would rather not)
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[markmhendrickso ah, for the moment, i'm good but thanks! just wanted #dev
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aaronpk I didn't realize the "+" was to add channels, I thought that was just how you brought up the channel list :P
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[markmhendrickso ha yep, adding to the confusion =P
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ben_thatmustbeme clicking the word "channels" should bring up the channel list
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry, i missed that bit
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ben_thatmustbeme @markmhendrickson
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aaronpk and we're back around full-circle :P
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tantek welcome back ricmac_ !
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Zegnat Open question: what (useful) information about someone would you want to store in an address book? Wondering if their are any obvious h-card extensions we are forgetting.
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sknebel reviews http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#Properties
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Loqi h-card
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sknebel Zegnat: I have in prototypes new ones for h-card, but they are about the location aspect, not the person aspect
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sknebel further contact ways (e.g. messenger contacts, silo urls) come to mind
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tantek all URLs
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Zegnat Would you really record more location aspect stuff than h-adr for a person, sknebel?
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Zegnat Not asking about the mf implementation. Just the use-case. You can mf-up anything you want later.
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sknebel Zegnat: that's what I said, they are not for person h-cards
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tantek what is an address book
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "address book" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Ooh, now I get you! for h-cards for venues/locations
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sknebel well, I didn't say it clearly. they are more relevant for orgs/venues
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tantek Zegnat, maybe start documenting your "want to store in an address book" use-cases in /address-book ?
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tantek what is contacts
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Loqi contacts refers to a set of people, organizations, groups and anything else with one or more addresses (often URLs) for communication https://indieweb.org/contacts
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tantek a-ha
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tantek address book is /contacts
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Loqi ok
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tantek Zegnat >> https://indieweb.org/contacts#Use_Cases
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Zegnat Added to todo list.
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sknebel tantek: so you'd e.g. store all rel=me's on a persons home page in their h-card as url?
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Zegnat Funny how that in no way lists “finding a person’s contact information” as a usecase!
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tantek Zegnat: because ideally they store that on their on /contact page instead of you storing an out of date cache in your own personal storage
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tantek an address book really should just be 1 list of URLs of people, 2 cache of information from those URLs
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tantek maybe 3 notes on what to follow-up with them / or when you met etc.
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Zegnat As soon as more people start putting their mailing addresses online that would work. For now, I have to keep a local address book.
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sknebel Zegnat: and I guess aditional location properties should also be an option for h-adr. good point
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tantek then 4 private/offline contact information (given to you privately or when offline, perhaps things not to even sync to default phone addressbooks - because those get compromised etc.)
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Zegnat My addressbook does not get synct exactly for that reason, yes :)
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tantek that's worth capturing too - things to explicitly NOT do
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tantek or perhaps Privacy Features
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Zegnat Alright, I think I added the three things I use my address book for to the page as usecases
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[eddie] Interesting thought experiment. I take online classes. Of course, the traditional experience in Online Classes nowadays is general once a week or every other week you post in a “Discussion Board” forum, and then you’ll reply to each others posts in some way, generally with some set criteria. So it’s a decent length post of your own thoughts but it’s done “in reply” to another discussion board.
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[eddie] I’ve been POSSE-ing my discussion board original posts, but not my replies. Now I’m wanting to POSSE my replies and thinking through what they might look like. The post I’m replying to is technically private (locked behind Blackboard’s login)
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[eddie] So maybe it’s just specifying the audience like aaronpk has done in the past? Because a “reply” to a private URL doesn’t seem useful
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[eddie] and now I’m not sure if this should be here or in #dev, because this could get potentially technicaly
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aaronpk if you don't mind your reply being public, i don't think it's terrible to show the in-reply-to URL even if that URL isn't public
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[eddie] s/technical/technicaly
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[eddie] Yeah, the intention is the reply being public
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[eddie] aaronpk with your “audience” have you done both an “audience” and a “in-reply-to”?
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aaronpk i like what I've been doing with the "audience" to show who the message is directed to. i think that helps add context to someone who is not in that audience seeing the post
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aaronpk [eddie]: yep! in reply to a specific post on a mailing list https://aaronparecki.com/2017/06/11/14/oauth
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[eddie] Yeah I think that’s definitely helpful (especially if the reply URL is private)
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] I've seen this done a few ways: • The Device Flow: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-device-flow which is what you see on browserless devices like the Apple TV logging in to a cable provider from your phone. A short code is generated ...
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[eddie] awesome, I’ll save that and use that as inspiration as I work through how to do this on my site
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[eddie] ? Thanks!
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[eddie] POSSE all the things!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4p4SoPNm.jpg
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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Zegnat just added his D&D character sheet as a rel-me
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Zegnat I need to start self-hosting that.
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BigShip Zegnat okay hold up I gotta see that
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[eddie] Zegnat: Your profile page has been updated? It looks quite a bit different now since the last time I saw it
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BigShip How do I find this profile?
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Zegnat Who is Zegnat?
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Sweden https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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Zegnat Oh. Hmm
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Zegnat well: http://vanderven.se/martijn/
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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BigShip Oh, convenient
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Zegnat [eddie], yes, redesigned during IWS with more information. See https://indieweb.org/2017/Demos#Martijn_van_der_Ven
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BigShip Zegnat: Yeah, I forgot to write down the URL during the end of IWS when you showed it off
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[eddie] Zegnat++ Inspires me to actually MAKE a profile page
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Loqi zegnat has 63 karma in this channel (100 overall)
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, I forgot to give the short URLs I set up. vanderven.se is hard to spell, usually give out something like zegnat.net/m
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gRegorLove I didn't realize schmarty had a short URL so I thought someone was typing a shorthand of his domain in chat logs, heh
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Zegnat I kept misspelling schmarty’s URL ?
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Zegnat [eddie] profile pages are good. It is how I see the indieweb mostly: people’s identities online. More so than “blogs”.
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Zegnat Though I am not going to beat [chrisaldrich] in amount of rel-me links
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Zegnat Who is BigShip?
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BigShip Dun dun dunnnn, I'm invisible
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BigShip Actually, I'm pretty sure the only public thing on my domain right now is an otherwise blank page with "Success" in large letters
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Zegnat I think you have to add your name to http://indieweb.org/IRC-people for Loqi to see you as an IndieWeb IRC user
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Zegnat Has nothing to do with the contents of your website.
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BigShip Ah that makes more sense
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[cleverdevil] Morning, IndieWeb!
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BigShip I'm still digesting the amount of shared personal information in this community. As a bit of a privacy nut I'm finding it a little hard to cope =P
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BigShip Gooood morning [cleverdevil]
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[kevinmarks] Are you extending h-card with d&d attributes?
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j12t Question about "vouch": If I blog that spammer.com is a great big spammer (and provide the href to spammer.com), does this make it easier for that spammer to get a comment on tantek's blog? (assuming that Tantek trusts me)
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snarfed what is nofollow
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Loqi nofollow is a rel value meant to stop search engines imputing endorsement from a link https://indieweb.org/nofollow
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snarfed ducks
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aaronpk i thought we had a note about using nofollow or something for vouch
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Zegnat BigShip, I have almost nothing on my page that is not already publicly available through other channels (living in Sweden gives a lot of stuff about me away)
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j12t aaronpk: there's a very minor side note on the wiki. Not sure that nofollow is strong enough as an indicator ...
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], will probably be on a separate page. Not sure about going h-card on it yet.
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BigShip Zegnat I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'm just personally uncomfortable with sharing that much info about myself.
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gRegorLove ben_thatmustbeme and my vouch implementations ignore links with nofollow
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BigShip Trying to identify what I'm comfortable having posted publicly.
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j12t nofollow per wikipedia: "...to instruct some search engines that the hyperlink should not influence the ranking of the link's target in the search engine's index"
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j12t I'd do it the other way around: mark up links constituting endorsement with a special tag
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gRegorLove /Vouch isn't endorsement, though
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Zegnat j12t there are vote links
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Zegnat http://microformats.org/wiki/vote-links
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Loqi Vote Links
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Zegnat I have used those to express negativity for a website I linked to
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BigShip by the way Zegnat, I like some of the graphics on your page
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Zegnat The few emoji? ;)
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BigShip Zegnat no, the charts on your gender page. I thought they were a pretty slick way to represent it
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Zegnat Oooh, yeah, those were a pain.
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Zegnat I need to SVG-ise those, but apparently that is beyond me
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j12t Zegnat: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a says rev on a is obsolete.
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BigShip By the way Zegnat, did I see you running Lounge during your demo?
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Zegnat BigShip: yes
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BigShip nice!
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Zegnat j12t, yeah, but I still use them, haha
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat btw [eddie], if you find anything lacking on my profile give me a nudge so I can add it. I love to get some feedback on my page
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@Fahrni Why did I not know about Micropub? https://indieweb.org/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/879756858600423424)
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BigShip I'm pretty excited about micropub. Really want to be able to send posts in markdown
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BigShip Going to have to figure out a way to do that with microformats though...
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aaronpk since there isn't really a canonical markdown, and each site ends up doing it slightly differently, you can just use the plaintext capability of micropub and clients and write markdown in that, rendering it server-side
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aaronpk i kind of do that with my own micro-syntax which transforms a few things like @-mentions and bullet lists from asterisks
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[eddie] Zegnat: Will do. Yours is very in-depth, but if anything comes to mind I’ll nudge you ? (Does your profile receive webmentions)
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Zegnat Yes, it should receive webmentions
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Zegnat Unless I broke something
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BigShip aaronpk yeah that's the plan. I just have to figure out how I want to handle markdown on the server
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BigShip As far as I can tell, the end point I wrote works. I just need to test it with some actual content instead of random `curl` commands
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Zegnat BigShip, if you think of any information you would have expected on a profile but are missing on mine, nudge me
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BigShip Zegnat I mean, if you really want to fill out that "Too Much Information" section you could add your clothing sizes :D
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk potentially useful for gift-giving
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aaronpk actually
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aaronpk conference registrations often ask for shirt size
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Zegnat Oh man, clothing sizies would be fun. But I just buy L or XL, and that translates badly over different brands
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aaronpk as well as dietary preferences
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[eddie] Oh yeah those are good
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GWG aaronpk, amusing ideas for indie rsvp to use
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sknebel Zegnat: also, XFNs
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sknebel ... are we distracting you from playing D&D again?
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Zegnat yes, and no
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Zegnat party members are armwrestling
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Zegnat my character is reading a book called “Things That are Not Built”
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Zegnat I think I can do IndieWeb at the same time tonight ;)
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Zegnat dietary preferences I should add, yes!
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BigShip Zegnat You can at least include pants and shoe size. Those are pretty standardized measurements, aside from a few off brands
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GWG I consume knowledge
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Zegnat I thought about XFN, sknebel, but not sure who I would want to link too. On one hand I would want to document family et al, but they often do not have URLs
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GWG Wiki editing on a phone. Fun
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dougbeal|iOS 0/ indieweb
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dougbeal|iOS What is lounge
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lounge" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat the lounge is a self-hostable [[IRC]] client
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat lounge << https://thelounge.github.io/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://thelounge.github.io/" to the "See Also" section of /lounge
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BigShip dougbeal|iOS it actually works pretty well on mobile as well
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BigShip Although it disconnects when you put it in the background :/
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Zegnat I run it on a server so it is always connected
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BigShip Zegnat same, I just meant the client disconnects. So I have to refresh the page
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, that happens from time to time. I wonder if that is a browser limitation though.
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Zegnat Has been working fine for me at least.
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BigShip It only really happens to me on mobile when I put the browser app in the background. I think it loses connection when that happens. But yeah otherwise I enjoy it
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#576" by Douglas Beal https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/27/576/
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gRegorLove Zegnat: name pronunciation might be something to put in an h-card. Facebook has an option for that now.
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Zegnat Oooh, definitely!
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Zegnat notes dietary preferences, cloth sizes, name pronunciation
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Zegnat I should have a sound clip for my name, which will be annoying to obtain
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Loqi yea
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@kartik_prabhu wrote about implementing "placeholder images" on my site https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/placeholder-images #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/879770925385879553)
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gRegorLove I was telling schmarty that to experiment more with audio, I might record myself reading my /about page, then possibly other posts.
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Zegnat I am at the odd disadvantage of not being able to “correctly” pronounce my own name.
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schmarty dooooo it
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Zegnat Maybe I should get sebsel to submit a pronunciation of my name! ?
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Zegnat That’s an interesting idea though, gRegorLove
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dougbeal|iOS I need to up my IRC game. I really like rcirc in emacs, but that doesn't help on mobile.
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[kevinmarks] Hmm https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6350#section-6.7.5
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[eddie] hmmm “The Lounge” that looks pretty nifty. I love me some node.js having a node.js IRC app might allow some interesting integration points
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[eddie] I’ve also been thinking about Matrix recently
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schmarty matrix++
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Loqi matrix has 1 karma
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schmarty riot++ too since the nice client is where a lot of the goodness comes in
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Loqi riot has 1 karma
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[eddie] I heard it’s RAM hungry, but I noticed in the FAQ on synapse that you can restrict it’s RAM usage
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], interesting find! Do you know if it has ever been mentioned as an h-card property?
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sketchess good morning / evening
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Zegnat Oh, sound was apparently on hcard, but not on h-card.
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Zegnat Will move that to #microformats after D&D
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Zegnat Hi sketchess
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sketchess How are you Zegnat? :)
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tantek Zegnat lots got dropped from lack of any evidence of use
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sketchess Hello tantek.
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GWG Evidence can be manufactured
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GWG But audio is a property along with video. Probably better
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tantek GWG I think it means something different (sound vs audio) in those contexts
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sketchess Says who, GWG?
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tantek different meaning means different name would be better
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dougbeal|iOS hello sketchess
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tantek hello
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GWG I said probably
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sketchess Hahahahahaha.
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Loqi hehe
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GWG I am not implementing it. I am still stinging over Google's pronunciation of pareve.
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sketchess greetings dougbeal|iOS
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sketchess aha
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GWG I had two language experts submit to correct it. Nothing
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GWG And if one more person mispronounces Diaspora..
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GWG Stopping rant now
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schmarty makes mental note to try out several pronunciations for Diaspora in the next This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition
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Zegnat schmarty, have a go at my name too, would you ;)
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schmarty Zegnat: i think i heard at least 4 different versions this weekend ?
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sketchess enjoys the conversation
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sketchess you got me by 'audio record' xD
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Zegnat schmarty, I am not surprised. My name is not very non-Dutch-friendly
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sketchess I love chat logs.
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sketchess Does Zegnat mean anything? In any language?
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Zegnat “ik zeg” = dutch for “I say”; “något”, abbreviated to nåt = swedish for “something”; freely translates to “say something”.
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Zegnat I should put that on a wiki page.
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ben_thatmustbeme your user page?
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Zegnat Yeah, and on my own wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme need to figure out where to start pushing JF2 Feed
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ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks]: you started to do a JF2 validator didn't you?
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sketchess grrr... what do I miss -.- , I don't get it to work *sigh*
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: what's not working?
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sketchess I try to switch from xhtml to html 5. For me it is like a new language.
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KartikPrabhu html5 has most of the same tags though
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sketchess Yes the basic are the same.
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sketchess +s
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sketchess But I face a disadvantage.
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sketchess I will figure it out, just needs time.
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KartikPrabhu if there is something specific let me know if I can help out
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sketchess How do I connect two tags?
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KartikPrabhu connect in what sense?
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sketchess same line
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KartikPrabhu display them on the same line?
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sketchess like I wanna have a header with different specifications
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sketchess I decided to write HTML first and leave the style sheet aside.
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: yeah that is a good idea to start, but then aligning elements for display would happen in the CSS
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sketchess I have nothing fancy. Only two tags, they are essentional.
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sketchess At least for me.
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sketchess To get a better feeling the background color and an indent.
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: can you show me a URL as example?
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sketchess notepad ++
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@Johannes_Ernst New site http://indietech.rocks/ created at #indieweb summit last weekend. Collects products that don’t screw us. Submissions welcome. (twitter.com/_/status/879799685812109312)
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sketchess Demo Run
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sketchess shell we switch to dev?
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KartikPrabhu !tell [eddie] I got your webmention https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/placeholder-images#responses but it seems your post does not have a "in-reply-to" so it shows up as a mention. Also, there is no h-card so you show up as "Anon"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Anon
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Zegnat Yes, take it in dev :)
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KartikPrabhu yeah dev is good
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sketchess ok I try to switch ;)
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gRegorLove Ello follower spam, that might be a first for me
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[eddie] KartikParbhu: Oh darn it! Thanks for the catch. I refactored how my replies worked (a note with additional markup instead of a separate post type). Must have missed the mf2 markup ?
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: no worries, you can resend your webmention once you make the changes. Migt site should (hopefully) update the reply
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[eddie] The h-card thing is interesting, because I have a “u-author” with a href to eddiehinkle.com and I have an h-card there. That typically works for most sites
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: oh! maybe I am not parsing it, let me look
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Jeena interesting, I was not aware of the fact that one can/should donate to the IndieWeb project
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KartikPrabhu what is authorship?
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Loqi authorship is a claim about who the author(s) of a post are https://indieweb.org/authorship
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sknebel eddie is case 7.3
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: yeah I think it found your URL but no name
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: I am following this algorithm https://indieweb.org/authorship and stopping at step 3
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sknebel https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/06/27/6/reply/
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Zegnat bookmarks that test-page sknebel made before he forgets it again
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[eddie] Yeah, that test page seems pretty useful
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KartikPrabhu damn! so my implementation of authorship is incomplete it seems
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Zegnat I am 7.2, but a completely different path! https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F5949420a0fed1
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Zegnat authorship << https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/" to the "See Also" section of /authorship
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KartikPrabhu sknebel++ nice testing tool
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Loqi sknebel has 18 karma in this channel (39 overall)
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Zegnat sknebel++ seconded
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Loqi sknebel has 19 karma in this channel (40 overall)
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Zegnat sknebel, can I file a feature request? ;) author parsing on h-feed
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[eddie] KartikPrabhu: Yay my in-reply-to is now fixed for my new reply template.
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: nice! it shows up with the text on my site now! I'll manually edit your name until I fix my /authorship implementation
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sknebel Zegnat: noted
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: here we go! https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/placeholder-images#response-replies
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Eddie Hinkle replied on eddiehinkle.com with This is a great read! I’ve been wanting to do placeholder ...
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sketchess Wonderful, I can go sleeping like a baby. Thihi. I wish a good morning, evening and night everyone.
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eddiehinkle Trying out TheLounge IRC chat room on my own server :) We'll see how long this lasts (in comparison to Slack)
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eddiehinkle Testing to see if irc-people update worked for this username
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KartikPrabhu what is eddiehinkle?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "eddiehinkle" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat who is eddiehinkle?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Eddiehinkle.com
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KartikPrabhu aah yeah that command
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Zegnat Looks like it worked
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eddiehinkle ah, there we go :) Yay
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Loqi yay!
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KartikPrabhu what is lounge?
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Loqi The Lounge is a self-hostable IRC client https://indieweb.org/lounge
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KP trying out this Lounge thing
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KartikPrabhu interesting why did it go back to guest?
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KartikPrabhu aah registered nickname
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gRegorLove Same reason I can't be "gRegor" here. Darn you, other gregor.
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[cleverdevil] http://www.manton.org/2017/06/preview-of-sunlit-2-0.html
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[cleverdevil] Exciting! I love seeing more and more great user experiences built on top of Micropub.
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aaronpk wow awesome! can't wait to try it out
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[manton] Thanks y'all!
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gRegorLove Jean left before I could grab you one, sorry Zegnat. Sure you can tweet at her to get one though.
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Zegnat Thank you! tantek just got me one :D
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Zegnat You verify your website link through a rel-me? This is awesome!
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[manton] @Zegnat Great! You can also email help@micro.blog if you need anything. (And by the way, thanks for writing up those notes from IndieWeb Summit!)
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Zegnat verified his website on Micro.blog, such an easy flow!
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Zegnat [manton], my pleasure! If you ever need a Micro.blog event to be written up, give me a call ;)
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[manton] @Zegnat Thanks. ?
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Zegnat Now I have to bow out, sleep is to be had if I want to have any hope of leaving PDX time behind me. Good night all!
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BigShip So, do you use Firefox Beta or Nightly? Tough decisions here
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KartikPrabhu neither. I use the release version