#indieweb 2017-07-01

2017-07-01 UTC
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aaronpk
I might need to figure out a foursquare list equivalent for my site soon
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aaronpk
Gonna try bookmarking venues with a tag for now https://aaronparecki.com/tag/happyhour
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[grantcodes]
aaronpk not indieweb friendly but I made https://todomap.xyz
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neilpdx
i love the fact that you are allowing twitter sign up [grantcodes]
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[grantcodes]
Yeah as I said not indieweb friendly but feel free to steal UI ideas from it :P
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neilpdx
thank you!
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neilpdx
i followed you on twitter and sent you a tweet [grantcodes]
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gRegorLove
Hmm, cleverdevil's post on IndieNews is 404. Looks like it doesn't have the month/day parts in the path
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "The indieweb includes RSS and much more, but @davewiner is still resisting change." by Kevin Marks on 2017-06-21 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-indieweb-includes-rss-and-much-more-but-davewiner-is
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Loqi
[Jonathan LaCour] IndieWeb Summit 2017 Recap
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[chrisaldrich]
FourFire, if you're still around you can check out http://lifestreamblog.com/ which is a site run by a community member here.
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: We should talk about HWC when you have a moment
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tantek
great newsletter this week! great job everyone!
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG: I'm here
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: Do you want to try a HWC online?
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[chrisaldrich]
unless you want to organize in #meta
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: Is that meta? I suppose it is
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GWG
retreats to meta
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[cleverdevil]
Oops. That was an accidental toggle of a the slug generation settings on my Known.
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[cleverdevil]
The correct one is just with the year.
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[cleverdevil]
Should be fixed now.
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[cleverdevil]
Thanks for letting me know gregorlove
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb!
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sknebel
good morning Zegnat!
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Zegnat
Lets see if I can get the issue counter on selfauth to 0 today!
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sketchess
good luck
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Zegnat
Hi sketchess, thanks!
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Zegnat
It is something I got focused on because of you ;)
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sketchess
I just was reading your new pieces of it. ;)
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sketchess
It is not very hard to guess that you do alot because of me. Hahaha.
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Loqi
hehe
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Zegnat
Don’t worry we also find time to do weird stuff in between
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sketchess
me? never!
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Zegnat
I wasn’t here yesterday. Did I see you having trouble finding information about a Germany event?
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sketchess
Indieweb is still somthing magical to me, but I have not given up yet to understand. xD
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sketchess
No that is not the case.
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sketchess
Today is first day of my holidays, so there will be enough time to get my head around it. But not now. I switched from post-its to noteblock and it got filled alot the last days. ;) So I am in the middle of getting focused.
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Zegnat
I will be out this evening, but if you run into questions feel free to also mention my name to summon me if I am available ;)
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sketchess
Thank you very much that's very sweet of you.
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sketchess
Zegnat, does the Indieweb have a overall main purpose? Maybe somthing more than just 'own your data'. I got the feeling it had..... in the past at least.
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sketchess
Do you understand?
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Zegnat
I... don’t think so? It is mostly about enabling people to keep control of their own stuff as well as their own identity instead of giving control to Facebook/Twitter/etc.
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sketchess
Interesting.
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Zegnat
I think people have different reasons for joining the IndieWeb. And that’s the nice thing: the IndieWeb does not want everyone to use 1 specific thing
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sketchess
Well the strongest power of our world are ideas. There is no need for a dogma.
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sketchess
So I would not assume that.
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sketchess
But there is the possibility of little thing that connects all of you in a special way. Adeeper meaning.
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sketchess
Perhaps it will be formed in the future. :)
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sketchess
would be happy for Indieweb
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Zegnat
I am not sure we need something like that
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sketchess
How sad.
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sketchess
Do you wanna have a direct answer? Even if you might not like it?
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Zegnat
Always
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sketchess
That will take a moment, because it is a bit longer and I am trying to write English properly.
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Zegnat
Take your time. Also: I accept multiple languages ;)
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sketchess
During this little ammount of time I am here, I nonetheless noticed something. The Indieweb is so occupied, maybe even desperate, in 'owning the data' that something got left-behind somehow on the way. And you noticed it yourself, too. If I have to name it than I would call it 'the current nature of the Indieweb'. Shell I go one?
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sketchess
-e
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Zegnat
I am not sure what we left behind. I built a website, therefor I am part of the IndieWeb.
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sketchess
Than let me ask you this: For whom do you continue building the Indieweb?
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sketchess
And make it better?
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Zegnat
For myself
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sketchess
Really? Just yourself and that is it?
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Zegnat
All the tools I am currently building, I am building because I use them
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sketchess
What about other poeple? What about guys like me? Do they not count in this little world you are building?
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Zegnat
I build tools for me, and then I share them for others to use and join the indieweb. That is one of the principles :)
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sebsel
I build for myself too. Other people can use pieces of what I build, and I use pieces of what other people have build. But if you don’t do SOME work yourself, you can’t own your data.
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sebsel
We're happy to help though.
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sketchess
You are really not understanding, do you?
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Zegnat
You’ll have to forgive us for being, what I in my blog post called, “developer types”.
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sketchess
You are really a contradiction in yourself.
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sketchess
What are your hopes when you are participating in meetups and discussing how to open up Indieweb for 2, 3 ,4 ,5?
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sketchess
Please don't tell me you are having none.
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Zegnat
I want to encourage people to also start owning their identity and data online.
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Zegnat
But I am not personally building things for them to do that, I build for me. Some people have focused on building for others too, and I have huge respect for those people, but that is not me personally.
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sketchess
I understand.
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Zegnat
But I share what I use. I currently use selfauth to be able to login to the wiki without using Twitter or any other website. selfauth is available on GitHub and I would encourage other people to use that too, just like I am using it.
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Zegnat
I would also love to assist people in setting up selfauth on their websites.
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sketchess
To become a part of Indieweb.....
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sebsel
sketchess you have a personal website right? then you are already part of the indieweb. it's up to you to formulate what you want to do with that site.
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sketchess
explain 'formulate' further please
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sebsel
ask yourself the question: what do I want with my website?
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sketchess
Forgive me, because I am smiling pretty hard.
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sketchess
I already know that we are walking in two different pairs of shoes.
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sketchess
It seems that I can't walk in yours like you can't walk in mine. The only thing left to do is to meet in the middle.
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sketchess
You have to excuse me for now. Luch time.
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sketchess
+n
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sebsel
If you don't know what you want with your website, we can't help you with how to get there :)
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sketchess
re
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sketchess
sebsel, you are wrong about me, I am afraid.
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sketchess
two things
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sketchess
first: The fact that I have a own domain does not automatically make me a part of Indieweb. It is a choice to be part of the Indieweb, that's a huge difference. Noone can decide for me. And noone can take action for me.
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sketchess
second: I do know. I do know why and what, not ever how, but I do know my Project 100%.
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Zegnat
You might chose not to be part of the indieweb movement. You can also chose not to be part of the indieweb community (although you already are, as you are here). But you became part of the independent web as soon as you started managing your own domain.
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Zegnat
I consider anyone who has their own place on the internet that they call theirs “part of the IndieWeb”.
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sebsel
it all depends on your definition of IndieWeb :)
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Zegnat
has been trying to write his own definition of IndieWeb for 2 weeks now
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sketchess
I can see that. And it is frightening.
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sketchess
I see independent web and Indieweb not as the same thing.
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sketchess
I do not have to worry in owning my data, I just do. Thihihi.
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sebsel
do you want to be part of IndieWeb?
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sketchess
I am not able yet answering this question.
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sketchess
As I said, it still is somehow like magic to me.
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sebsel
but you do want to be part of the independent web?
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sketchess
That does not exits yet. I made the first steps into the direction that can be called somehow independent.
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sketchess
I try to build a new kind with very little.
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sketchess
little but effective
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sketchess
I gave myself one year.
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Zegnat
You say independent web does not exist yet. So what is your definition of independent web?
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sketchess
Is it still "#indieweb" or has this topic become "#indieweb-chat"?
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sketchess
I ask seriously.
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ben_thatmustbeme
its still on topic
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sketchess
thank you ben
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sketchess
than you will have to wait a little Zegnat and sebsel, I am a snail ;)
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sketchess
The 'independence' I would love to see emerge has a certain quality. It is given to people in a way regardless of their psychological and / or physical abilities (in a positive way). An environment neither build for majority nor minority. This quality of independence is not certainly based of the provided content. We all do have different thing we are passionated about or would love to learn. It is more based in
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sketchess
terms of access. In terms of exchange of knowledge. The human is a very selfish animal and filled with fears of all kinds. Great power comes with great responsibilities. So often the human chooses not to do what's right. Choosing the easy way instaed the right one is not so difficult. I like to become a part of something that is greater than just me.
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sketchess
It is helping people to grow as a human that's the path I am following.
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sebsel
So, this is about independence, and individuals versus a group. How does it relate to 'the independent web', especially the web-part of that?
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sketchess
In the way in how it is build.
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sketchess
I might not be a developer or a programmer. But I am sure even with the little I am capabile of I can assumble it in a different way. Giving people the power to choose for themself in any means.
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sketchess
want to have a shift
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sketchess
If you do not understand me that wouldn't be dramatic.
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sketchess
In fact it is very complex.
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sebsel
Don't be mad, but it does sound a bit like http://indieweb.org/architecture_astronomy
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sketchess
*rofl*
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sebsel
Not saying that your work is meaningless, but you are thinking very abstract here.
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sketchess
:)
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sketchess
How sad.
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sebsel
I really try to understand the problem you are trying to fix, but I don't get it. I am working on problems like 'how do I self-host my tweets', which are manageable.
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sebsel
I will always be dependent on something, for example, I breath air.
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sebsel
But I am not going to solve my air-breathing dependency, and I am not going to solve everybody being dependent on social media, but I can host my own tweets, so that's what I do.
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sebsel
Keep it simple, that's what I'm saying, and solve your smaller problem first.
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Zegnat
^^^ should be our mission statement!
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sketchess
As I said, we walk in different pairs of shoes. Words like: authism, eidetic, blindess, iq, synesthesia and many many more have a meaning for me. There is a way to do thing simple an effective at the same time. ;)
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sketchess
+d
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Zegnat
IQ, that is another data point I could add to my h-card!
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sketchess
*rofl*
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petermolnar
sketchess did you read http://indieweb.org/why ?
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sketchess
yep
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Loqi
Indieweb - decentralize the web while centralizing ourselves
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Zegnat
(Also, sketchess, don’t assume those words don’t have meaning to other people here.)
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Zegnat
Now: time for lunch :)
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sketchess
:)
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sketchess
I accepted long long time ago that diversity is the normality. So I do not trying to fix a problem. I just life the normality, but by not leaving someone out. That's all.
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petermolnar
"by not leaving someone out" - actually, that's one of the main purposes as well: those who only post to social silos do exclude those without a login/registration there, eg. facebook
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sketchess
I appreciate that you try to connect with me, petermolnar. You do not have to defend yourself or Indiweb. There is no need for that.
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sebsel
sketchess With statements like that, you seem to imply that we are leaving people out. We are not. The only thing we're leaving people out of, is because they do not understand the tech we use. We are trying to fix that, but that takes time. We do not leave people out based on any of the words you just listed.
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sketchess
I can only speak for myself, sebsel. What ever you might search for, I do not have it.
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sebsel
Well, I am at least trying to understand what you are looking for. I don't seem to find it, so I can't help you.
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sebsel
And with that I'll go for lunch too.
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sketchess
enjoy :)
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petermolnar
sketchess I'm not defending anything; you said you don't get what indieweb is and I'm trying to point you to articles showing why and what we're doing
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sketchess
Showing as many links as possible will not work petermolnar. It will not work.
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sketchess
Thank you. :)
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sketchess
Thank you for this day's conversation. I really appreciate it. By the way, that's the way how I learn.
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sketchess
sebsel: The answer is... nothing. Nothing to solve.
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sketchess
I wish a pleasant weekend.
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petermolnar
!tell sketchess when you say "not leaving someone out" - do you mean technical/technological or philosophical? For technical, there are standards, for example, to make screen readers work (look for microformats, schema.org, dublin core, etc.), and we do not exclude any, only encourage some over others. From the philosophical point of view... well, when you decide to belong somewhere you give up some freedom by accepting group decisions,
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
but never turned anyone off who wanted to participate.
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petermolnar
I wonder if Loqi got the whole line or will cut it
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Loqi
will cut it
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petermolnar
thought so :D
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Zegnat
I have seen that happen before, so can confirm that Loqi will cut it unless aaronpk changed it very recently
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petermolnar
!tell sketchess (continued from the cut sentence) but never turned anyone off who wanted to participate.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks
@thomasforth Needs microformats - see indiewebify.me
(twitter.com/_/status/881142975069376512)
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aaronpk
good morning
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aaronpk
there's not much i can do about that, IRC message length limits
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Loqi
good morning
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doubleloop[m]
I'm getting this error when using Bridgy Publish WP plugin: Bridgy Error: Couldn't find link to brid.gy/publish/twitter
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GWG
doubleloop[m]: What site is this?
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doubleloop[m]
It was working just fine, but it stopped working recently.
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doubleloop[m]
hi GWG: it's doubleloop.net
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GWG
And the URL of what you were trying to publish?
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doubleloop[m]
https://doubleloop.net/2017/07/01/467/ <- i've just published it manually via bridgy though
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Loqi
[Neil Mather] “Intellectual property”. The enclosure of ideas built upon the commons of all prior thought. What a ridiculous concept.
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doubleloop[m]
should i do another one for testing purposes?
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GWG
doubleloop[m]: I assume you are up to date on everything?
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GWG
I'm looking and I don't see anything obviously wrong from the outside.
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GWG
When was the last time you successfully posted using Bridgy Publish?
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Loqi
what
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doubleloop[m]
GWG: yes all my plugins are up-to-date. Although I'm not yet on wordpress 4.8
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doubleloop[m]
GWG: I'm not sure unfortunately... I think maybe June 25th, because if I look on this page - https://doubleloop.net/kind/note/ , that's the last date a note has 'Also on: twitter' which I guess means Bridgy Publish successfully added a syndication link
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GWG
doubleloop[m]: I'll do some tests. There were a few releases, though not to Bridgy Publish, since then. Hope nothing broke.
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Loqi
[dshanske] #35 Bridgy Publish not adding links to this site
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doubleloop[m]
GWG: cool, thanks. Let me know if there's any info I can provide.
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GWG
doubleloop[m]: Will do. I'll document at that link I shared.
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doubleloop[m]
I'm @ngm on github if you want to ping me there.
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GWG
I have some free time in the coming weeks outside of work. Doing a lot of changes
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@thomasforth
After a couple of welcome nudges from @kevinmarks I'm becoming a citizen of the IndieWeb -- it's surprisingly easy.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/881185168580587521
(twitter.com/_/status/881185168580587521)
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KartikPrabhu
that looks interesting ^ but would be much better if "sites" had actual URLs. possibly a /micropub browser extension
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KartikPrabhu
or any micropub client
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KartikPrabhu
does not understand that argument at all
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amitp
I don't either
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petermolnar
that's actually and interesting argument
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petermolnar
which is, that when the web got started filling up with personal entries - eg. diaries - it slipped away from it's original, "collection of interesting things" format
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aaronpk
interesting, my ham radio website turned into the "collection of interesting things" format rather than a blog just because i hand-wrote all the HTML https://w7apk.com
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petermolnar
I used to have my site like that, about 18 years ago...
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KartikPrabhu
that rests on the incorret assumption that "personal entries" != "collection of interesting things"
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petermolnar
aaronpk that is exactly the type of site it's talking about
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu it is not an incorrect assumption
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petermolnar
a collection is not a diary
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aaronpk
also i think http://werd.io is a great example of quirky home page that is still a blog
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KartikPrabhu
I still hand write all mt HTML
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KartikPrabhu
it also reads as "everyone who didn't know how to write HTML broke the Web"
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petermolnar
which does have truth in it
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petermolnar
although I'd blame MySpace
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KartikPrabhu
this is getting too elitist for me. back to writing science
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petermolnar
this is a very interesting entry in my opinion
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petermolnar
(an interesting counter-example might be http://ubu.com/ which went against the past ~20 years of the web by keeping it the same)
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KartikPrabhu
"against the past ~20 years of the web" also means igonoring good things like responsive design, good typography etc...
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KartikPrabhu
which is the problem I have with "old is good, new is bad" arguments
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neilpdx
Kartik your name sounds familiar. Did you present at PyCon 2017?
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KartikPrabhu
neilpdx: no might be another Kartik :P
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neilpdx
ok never mind
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KartikPrabhu
no worries. also I am not a dev so unlikely I'll be at any of these conferences
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neilpdx
oic
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neilpdx
what about the indie web convention which was last week? did you go
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KartikPrabhu
no I couldn't make it. I was at the 2014 one in NYC though
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neilpdx
nice
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neilpdx
i didn't go even though i live in the city where it was held
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neilpdx
i have met aaron once though
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu indeed there are good things, I never argued that
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KartikPrabhu
you should IWS is a lot of fun
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neilpdx
right
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petermolnar
and sure responsive design is one of them
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Loqi
yea!
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: so I am again not sure what the argument is.
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petermolnar
however... (sorry for the language, it's a satire) http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ is also responsive...
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petermolnar
the argument is that chronological order is the expected everywhere and got rid of other ways of displaying things
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: yeah, and it is hard to read since the line length is too long, and it has no images so it is easier ;)
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petermolnar
resize the browser :P :)
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[miklb]
that’s fluid, not necessarily responsive
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KartikPrabhu
[miklb]: yup
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: most websites are "diaries" and so reverse-choronological makes sense. You can design you site however you like, so I don't see why that is a problem
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[miklb]
I get the argument that “blog design” stymied creativity in personal websites. But to blame it on open source CMSes I don’t buy
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petermolnar
https://wordpress.org/about/philosophy/ - "Decisions, not Options" - oh, I do blame them for a few things
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KartikPrabhu
[miklb]: exactly. more like one format too hold and everyone decided it was easier to emulate. But that is hardly an argument for "blogs killed eerything holy and good"
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petermolnar
that wasn't the conclusion; it was chronological ordering killed most of the weird
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[miklb]
me trying to buck the right sidebar design aesthetic 12 years ago ? http://web.archive.org/web/20051207035820/http://www.miklb.com:80/blog/
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@SvenSeebeck
Exploring the various plugins and services related to Indieweb. This is all very interesting. There is still ... https://svens.blog/2017/07/02/361158683/
(twitter.com/_/status/881261027916222464)
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aaronpk
aw i kind of miss that aesthetic
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[miklb]
I fixed one too many broken Kubrick themes
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KartikPrabhu1
petermolnar: still don't understand. If you know how to write HTML do whatever you want with your site. Let the people who don't know HTML or don't want to spend a lot of time on it, use CMS designs with the "blog design"
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu1 it's it the article: deviating from the templates was hard
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petermolnar
it's still a problem with WordPress
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: if you knew how to use HTML you wouldn't need templates
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KartikPrabhu
the blog tools are for people who didn't want to or could not spin up their own servers and HTML
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petermolnar
but if you're inside a cms it's hard to change the basic parts, eg. menu, headers, etc
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petermolnar
unless you want to deal with a custom page/taxonomy/etc template which you need to write
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petermolnar
which is PHP and CMS custom mockery
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[miklb]
I’d rather a chronological blog that looked like every other blog than Facebook
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
kartikprabhu has 147 karma in this channel (151 overall)
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: tech people are not forced to use a CMS
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu no, they are not, but back than these tools were Shiny and Easy
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petermolnar
which is lucrative
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petermolnar
even for tech people
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KartikPrabhu
exactly, so the problem is people who know HTML and CSS opting for the "Easy way" which frankly is their problem
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petermolnar
this was never questioned
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KartikPrabhu
no, but the blame is shfted on tools
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KartikPrabhu
tools are not the problem here
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petermolnar
wait; wait; tools _can_ be a problem if there is no easy way to stop using them
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: there is an easy way to stop using them. write your own HTML
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petermolnar
and migrate all the content?
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KartikPrabhu
if you don't know HTML you wouldn't have anything on the Web without these tools
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: sure if you feel like it
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petermolnar
that is EXACTLY the problem: to migrate away is a huge effort, especially if you already made efforts to migrate in
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petermolnar
I know this problems way too well
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petermolnar
leaving WordPress behind was HARD and time consuming
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petermolnar
nobody forced me to use it
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KartikPrabhu
that is not the argument that article was making anyway
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petermolnar
I made that choice initially
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petermolnar
yes, it was
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petermolnar
it was part of it
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KartikPrabhu
nothing about migration and exporting afaik
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petermolnar
not with these words.... let me find the sentence
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[miklb]
is beginning to regret sharing that link in channel ?
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petermolnar
[miklb] don't, I'm glad you did
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KartikPrabhu
[miklb]: sparking a discussion is good :)
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KartikPrabhu
we don't all have to agree on everything
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[miklb]
I agree with that
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@schmarty
Your < 15min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for June 24-30th. https://martymcgui.re/2017/07/01/173327/
(twitter.com/_/status/881265123519856640)
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petermolnar
"But they’d already switched. They’d already spent all that time and energy and optimism. To switch back, they’d have to go through that process all over again. Only worse, of course, because they’d have to build the new (old) site completely from scratch. They had no tool to give it shape."
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@huffduffer
This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • June 24th - 30th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/416202
(twitter.com/_/status/881265268105904128)
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KartikPrabhu
sure, simply view source and save the HTML then change the CSS
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aaronpk
oh i can't wait to listen to this
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KartikPrabhu
migrating between CMSs is hard, not from CMS to HTML
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petermolnar
many of the tools you can use, by choice, will result in a lock-in to that format, to that specific way of doing things
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petermolnar
and if it's the first of it's kind, the danger is ever bigger
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petermolnar
we're talking about 18-19 years ago
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petermolnar
wget didn't even have half of the current options
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KartikPrabhu
oh then curl the webpage and save the HTML
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petermolnar
it was hard
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sketchess
thank you Loqi
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Loqi
sketchess: petermolnar left you a message 8 hours, 15 minutes ago: when you say "not leaving someone out" - do you mean technical/technological or philosophical? For technical, there are standards, for example, to make screen readers work (look for microformats, schema.org, dublin core, etc.), and we do not exclude any, only encourage some over others. From the philosophical point of view... well, when you decide to belong somewhere you give up some freedom by accepting group decisions,
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Loqi
sketchess: petermolnar left you a message 8 hours, 11 minutes ago: (continued from the cut sentence) but never turned anyone off who wanted to participate.
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KartikPrabhu
sure, but why blame the site design asthetic
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu have you tried using linux before 2k?
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sketchess
woah, what just happend?
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: yes
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petermolnar
(you mentioned curl)
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petermolnar
can you recall how limited it was,
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KartikPrabhu
and I was 13
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KartikPrabhu
it wasn't limited if you knew the command line
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KartikPrabhu
the GUI was lacking
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KartikPrabhu
which is my point if you are tech-savvy then blaming the tools is just lazy
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petermolnar
sketchess Loqi is a chatbot which can forward messages when you say "!tell [username] (message)" so when the next time the user appears - says something -, Loqi replays the message
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KartikPrabhu
if you are not tech-savvy then you have no option but to use the "shiny" tools like CMSs and windows
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sketchess
Is there anything Loqi can't do?
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi can you do everything?
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[miklb]
it’s not very good at bringing me donuts
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: give [miklb] donuts
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petermolnar
sudo Loqi bring me donuts
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aaronpk
gives Loqi some donuts
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Loqi
hearts the donuts
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petermolnar
"Loqi doesn't share!"
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KartikPrabhu
gives Loqi donuts to give to [miklb]
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petermolnar
sketchess obviously Loqi is limited in capabilities, but it's a pretty smart bot for sure
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sketchess
Yeah I can see that.
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aaronpk
oh gosh, well this is new. new twitter account got locked within a minute, and it's not letting me add my phone number because "This phone number is registered with another account."
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aaronpk
but it used to let me use an existing phone number
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tantek
they've caught onto you! :)
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sketchess
He gives Karma points too. It works like 'likes' I guess.
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KartikPrabhu
Twitter's gonna Twit
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petermolnar
KartikPrabhu I agree with your last statement, but I do believe that, without realizing the "danger", some tools can lead to lock-in, from which it's hard to return or change; mostly because our time is limited.
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tantek
see I remember when they did *not* allow for multiple accounts on a single phone #. maybe they reverted
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sketchess
answer: personal based decision
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tantek
aaronpk, worth posting a small note about that apparent observed change, and especially the "got locked within a minute"
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bear
all tech goes thru those cycles of use: small user count; focused/targeted; lots of implied knowledge knowledge -- medium user count; the beginnings of UX consolidation; -- high user count; UX becomes shared knowledge; the best tech very rarely gets selected for mass consumption
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KartikPrabhu
bear: exactly
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sketchess
listening to podcast
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petermolnar
bear that looks frighteningly similar to the first few chapters of Foundation
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bear
there are very few examples of best tech that make it to the last part because normally it's the better branded tech that wins, not the better solutino
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bear
petermolnar - Asimov shaped a lot of my world view if i'm honest
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petermolnar
and for the better branded... DEC vs IBM
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KartikPrabhu
do we have the 3 laws of indieweb tech?
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bear
Dos/Windows vs OS 2
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bear
CP/M vs DOS
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bear
I could go on and on
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petermolnar
3 laws of indieweb (and, eventually, we'll find the 0.)
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petermolnar
tantek? aaronpk?
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aaronpk
there's even text in the settings that still indicate it's possible to add a number to multiple accounts! "Only the account most recently linked to this phone number can receive SMS notifications."
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sketchess
cool, like radio news :)
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aaronpk
oh ffs, i deleted my number from my main account, and now i can't even add it back there because it's still on a bunch of other accounts!
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aaronpk
attempts to remove his phone number from all his other accounts
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bear
1. IndieWeb may not be closed or, through inaction, allow the adoption of a closed stack; 2. IndieWeb must be inclusive and open, except where such behaviour would conflict with the First law; 3. IndieWeb must be flexible in it's definition as long as such flexibilty does not conflict with the First or Second laws
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bear
first draft of the Three Laws of IndieWeb
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[miklb]
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 134 karma in this channel (186 overall)
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aaronpk
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 135 karma in this channel (187 overall)
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aaronpk
argh, can't find the twitter account that still has my number in it
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bear
you have so many, I can't imagine that's a simple search
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KartikPrabhu
^ silo account management tax
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aaronpk
remembers he has an alternate GV number
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sketchess
Well martymcgui I love your service. XD ^^thought
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sketchess
Wow midnight. Good morning and good evening. Sweet dreams.
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@ideasinfood
how is a blog defined? rather how is a blog defined today?
(twitter.com/_/status/881286530068860929)
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