#indieweb 2017-07-26

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@Efftronics_Ltd
One day to go #IndiaWarehousingShow 2017 India's Leading Warehousing & Logistics Event #IMHLS #IWS2017 #Efftronics https://twitter.com/Efftronics_Ltd/status/890114403470909444/photo/1
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@effeledlights
One day to go #IndiaWarehousingShow 2017 India's Leading Warehousing & Logistics Event #IMHLS #IWS2017 #Efftronics https://twitter.com/effeledlights/status/890114646644051974/photo/1
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cweiske
cloud providers acting like mobile phone operators that limit your bandwidth to 64kbit/s after some megabytes
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petermolnar
that was ought to happen
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petermolnar
I wonder when the own-your-hardware trend will start to re-emerge
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prtksxna
Zegnat: I suddenly had to leave for New Delhi so I wont be able to attend the homebrew club after all :( I could now however attend http://indiawarehousingshow.com/ (the other #IWS2017) :P
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Zegnat
You should quickly print some IWC posters https://github.com/sebilasse/indieweb-origami/blob/master/Poster/IWC.ai and put those all over the warehousing show ;)
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Loqi
it is probable
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prtksxna
Haha, that'd be fun
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Loqi
nice
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jeremycherfas
Hell IndieWeb
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cweiske
s/hell/heaven/
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jeremycherfas
Need to clean my keyboard out again.
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jeremycherfas
Nah, that’s just an excuse for lazy posting.
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petermolnar
expecting autocorrect, heh? :)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[cweiske] aaronpk, could you run the init script on chat.indieweb.org so that the "previous day" links work for the new channels?
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[asteres]
Anyone know what happened with this week's Brighton meetup?
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Loqi
[asteres]: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 week ago: Day One, the journalling app, gives you weather retrospectively for time and location.
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sknebel
[asteres]: I think adactio is at the W3C event in London?
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adactio
[asteres] I'm out this evening so that's why it's been cancelled.
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Loqi
adactio: petermolnar left you a message 2 weeks, 1 day ago: are there any plans on IWC Brighton 2017 so far?
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@martijnvdven
Good evening #indieweb! T minus 35 minutes until Virtual Homebrew Website Club – https://indieweb.org/next-hwc#Virtual_European_Time
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jeremycherfas
Huh. Where’d my avatar go?
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Posting to my site - Adactio" https://adactio.com/journal/12606 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/26/2/)
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jeremycherfas
And, it’s back. Random weirdness.
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aaronpk
cweiske: oh that's why the buttons aren't appearing! thanks
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Loqi
aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 1 hour, 7 minutes ago: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-07-25/1500972116752000
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@rachelandrew
Working on Webmention stuff and @drewm keeps saying “facepile”, and I think “facepalm” which would be different - https://indieweb.org/facepile
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schmarty
good day, indieweb
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sknebel
Good morning schmarty
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sknebel
schmarty: was that you who made a Micropub client for events?
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tantek
good day schmarty, good evening sknebel
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schmarty
sknebel: i made this one: http://indieweb.org/Slater
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schmarty
it's pretty simplistic right now
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sknebel
Can you add it to /Micropub/Clients?
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schmarty
done. thanks for the nudge, sknebel!
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tantek
aside: schmarty your numerous open tabs in the screenshot are kinda stressful 😂
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schmarty
haha, they sure are. i should have cropped it. :|
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Loqi
schmarty: lol
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@sglwillread
“The challenge is to ship something visible and post about it for 100 days.” http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/starting-100daysofindieweb
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petermolnar
somewhat indie related, I've found this: https://perma.cc/
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petermolnar
it can be self hosted, but it's quite complex in terms of requirements
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tantek
just got a "we're going to release your username in two weeks" email from Tumblr
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tantek
Tumblr--
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Loqi
tumblr has -2 karma in this channel (-3 overall)
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aaronpk
i lost loqi's because i missed that notice
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tantek
yeah see, when silos do stupid things like this, we need to document it
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tantek
like why are they doing this?
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tantek
it's like they're trying to alienate people?
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tantek
also, just 2 weeks?!?
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tantek
at least PBWorks gives 30 days :P
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tantek
there are now enough of these that we need a name for this behavior
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tantek
involuntary renaming?
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tantek
involuntary username reassignment?
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[miklb]
meanwhile, a week doesn’t go by that I don’t see someone asking how they can get a twitter handle that’s being squatted.
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aaronpk
i feel like there's a happy medium between the two policies tho
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tantek
I seem to have lost everyone on Virtual EU HWC
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tantek
I wonder if that's my connection
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tantek
restarting browser
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jeremycherfas
Tantek: How about calling it identity theft?
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drewinthehead
theft requires ownership, and you never really have that
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jeremycherfas
I suppose not.
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tantek
looks like wiki has "Involuntary Identity Reassignment"
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Zegnat
tantek, I am seeing a connection error where your camera is supposed to be :/
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Zegnat
I think I am only getting half of what tantek is saying :/ Hmmm
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jeremycherfas
Maybe I should add the writeup of my Tumblr episode to the wiki.
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[miklb]
if only there was a way silos could authenticate your identity with a real domain…
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sketchess
Good morning Loqi.
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sketchess
Good morning Indieweb.
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schmarty
picked up an ipod touch yesterday. just installed micro.blog on it. getting signed in to micro.blog and then my own website was a little quirky, but the posting interface is great!
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gRegorLove
Good morning, sketchess
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sketchess
greetings gRegorLove
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sketchess
Finished a HWC?
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gRegorLove
I didn't participate today
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sketchess
ah
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sketchess
I did.... sort of... *lol*
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gRegorLove
How was it?
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tantek
schmarty++ awesome
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Loqi
schmarty has 18 karma in this channel (25 overall)
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tantek
sketchess: you did totally participate!
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sketchess
Well most of the time I was trying to get my tech running.
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sketchess
hahahahaha
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Loqi
awesome
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sketchess
A little tantek. ;)
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tantek
schmarty - and now you too can setup a /contact page that uses your iPod touch as a communicator :D
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sketchess
Next time I might be luckier. I missed a lot.
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sketchess
That's really pity.
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tantek
I'm just grateful for what I was there for!
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tantek
still feels magical to be able to chat across SF, Rome, Berlin, Portland, (where is Zegnat?)
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tantek
*audio and/or video chat
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sketchess
eating
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Zegnat
I’m in Tösse, Sweden
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tantek
omnomnom++
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Loqi
omnomnom has 1 karma
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gRegorLove
Loqi, where is Zegnat?
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sketchess
I moved to Berlin not long time ago..... I miss my aera.
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sketchess
ok near Berlin
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schmarty
tantek: yes indeed! i have been really curious about the micro.blog and [eddie]'s upcoming Indigenous app. seeing your success using an ipod touch at IWS also nudged me to give it a try.
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Loqi
misses my aera too
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sketchess
Loqi has a area?
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schmarty
wonders where Loqi thinks is home
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Zegnat
Where is home?
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Zegnat
Where is Loqi?
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tantek
What is home?
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Loqi
Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, and shows your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card https://indieweb.org/home
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Zegnat
gives Loqi a home
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Loqi
crushes the home
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sketchess
what??? o.O
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tantek
gives Loqi nice things
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gRegorLove
what time is it for Loqi?
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Loqi
In Loqi's timezone, US/Pacific, it is currently 11:18am on July 26
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cweiske
see, Loqi cannot handle nice things
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tantek
This is why Loqi can't have nice things
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sketchess
so surprise by that name *giggle*
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Zegnat
Who is Loqi?
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Loqi
Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
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cweiske
why is loqi useful?
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sketchess
is happy that the mircophone got tried out :)
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tantek
what is useful?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "useful" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10qN
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Zegnat
Apparently Loqi is http://loqi.me/
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Loqi
Loqi
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sketchess
What does Loqi want?
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sketchess
How was the quality Zegnat, tantek..? Sound...
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tantek
good!
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sketchess
:)
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Zegnat
I could hear you fine :)
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sketchess
was searching a long time for a decent one
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sketchess
I hope I will be so lucky with my trains next time too. Or I will miss all.
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sketchess
Did you start earlier Zegnat?
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Zegnat
No, we started at the time it was supposed to start: 17:30 CEST.
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sketchess
good, I joined shortly after
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sketchess
good to know
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sketchess
Who is it with the book shelf behind him? Just curious....
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sknebel
Oh wow, large turnout for virtual
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sknebel
We only were 2 organizers today :/
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sketchess
better than one sknebel ;)
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sknebel
Very true
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tantek
sketchess: I think that was jeremycherfas
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sknebel
Having multiple organizers really helps for that reason alone
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sketchess
oh, I was right...
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sknebel
Well, if we stay with HWC Berlin moved to Thursdays I'll be able to join virtual as well :)
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sketchess
I try to remember all in case of IWC. Otherwise I will make a whole mess. xD
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sketchess
o.o greetings from the little kitty, she enjoyed too ;)
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aaronpk
your cat needs a website! then she and my cat can be friends! https://indiewebcat.com
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Loqi
Dora
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tantek
aaronpk yeah then you'll have to actually figure out how indieweb /friending works :P
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aaronpk
haha yeah
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Loqi
hehe
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sketchess
xD she gets very fast jealous, a little diva... your cat should look out tantek ;)
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tantek
wat. I have no cat!
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sketchess
wrong line
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sketchess
xD
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sketchess
forgive me I am up till 4.30 am
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sketchess
wait ... since
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treora
sknebel: I missed the Berlin meetup today, but I am nearby now; do you guys happen to be after-partying in some bar around the corner?
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sketchess
You are in Berlin sknebel?
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sknebel
treora: no, already left. Only 2 here today, and then a fire alarm driving us out of the venue
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sknebel
sketchess: close to, yes.
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treora
ok, see you a next time then.
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sketchess
if Berlin happens not this late, I would come personally xD
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sketchess
or weekend^^
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sknebel
treora: we are having a break in august, we'll continue on 7th of September (Thursday!)
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sknebel
sketchess: what would be early enough? Then I can keep it in mind for planning
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sketchess
so pity..... I am never lucky with my holidays...
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sketchess
hmmm, I finish work before 16.00.... no reason for me to wait 2 and a half hours.... have to travel 2 hours home
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sketchess
and get up early.... 4.30 am
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sketchess
So a whole month no HWC Berlin.... kay, I stick to virtuell :).... *note*
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sketchess
time for cosy bed now.... sweet dreams for all and a good morning
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sknebel
good night!
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Loqi
ciao
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sketchess
till next time jeremycherfas
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[jeremycherfas]
@sketchess Those are a few of my books.
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[jeremycherfas]
Buona note tutti.
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schmarty
!tell eddie the /indigenous page says it's a syndicated copy of this page, which 404s: https://eddiehinkle.com/indigenous
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Eddie Hinkle
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[eddie]
schmarty: Uh oh! What happened to my page??
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Loqi
[eddie]: schmarty left you a message 1 minute ago: the /indigenous page says it's a syndicated copy of this page, which 404s: https://eddiehinkle.com/indigenous
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[eddie]
Oh I see
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[eddie]
I moved it under projects and forgot to update the wiki https://eddiehinkle.com/projects/indigenous/
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Loqi
Indigenous is an iOS app that is in development. It’s goal is to provide a native iOS interface to the indieweb movement. Features Version 1.0 The goal of version 1 is to allow a user to use a simple share extension for iOS and macOS for posti...
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[eddie]
Although, apparently I lied and updated the wiki and didn’t update my “original” 😳
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[eddie]
Indigenous beta is opening soon. I’ve just been transitioning employment, which meant working 2 jobs for a couple weeks. 😆
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schmarty
i picked up an ipod touch so i could join the beta :}
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[eddie]
Awesome! 😉
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[eddie]
beware, iPod touches are gateway drugs
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[miklb]
I kinda felt like a crack dealer working in the Apple store in the mid 2000s.
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Zegnat
[eddie] just a quick update: new HWC event pages have been created. I don’t think yours counts as a “regular” yet, but because you are actively organising all the information is still on the pages and just commented out. Feel free to flip the switch and make your HWC visible whenever you want (and whenever you know you will continue to organise)!
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[eddie]
Zegnat: sounds perfect. I'm definitely not counted as regular yet, I'm happy to just uncomment and make it visible when applicable
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[eddie]
Thanks for the FYI 🙂
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@desparoz
@Blot__ I look forward to this. I want my content to be #indieweb and would like to use #indieweb services. Look fw… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/890327395407765504
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[eddie]
Image uploaded from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F6EAFLG5T/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=4ab2f79789&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg First quiet writing hour is beginning in Frederick, MD. Not really expecting anyone for the first hour. Here's to hoping the Frederick RSVPs show up at the official meeting in an hour from now! 🤞
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sknebel
good luck and have fun :)
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schmarty
good luck, [eddie] ! it's just jonathan and i at HWC Baltimore quiet writing hour at the moment. https://martymcgui.re/2017/07/26/183607/
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@schmarty
Baltimore Homebrew Website Club quiet writing hour has begun! Come work on your website! #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/890340437671759872/photo/1
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Zegnat
Nice going!
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Zegnat
Wish everyone a fun HWC! I am off for bed
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sknebel
good night!
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Loqi
buenas noches
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sknebel
goes to sleep as well
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tantek
hello from @MozSF!
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[kevinmarks]
Hello hwc sf
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tantek
so far just me
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tantek
I'm still working on my marathon write-up
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GWG
I'm taking a mandatory 30 minute business ethics course.
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GWG
I'm not sure how I can prevent human trafficking, but apparently I have to do that.
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tantek
for indieweb business?
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tantek
hey it's j12t
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GWG
No, just explaining why I'm not Indiewebing.
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tantek
oh dear caltrain.com is down
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tantek
"Server Error in '/' Application."
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tantek
(yes this is what we are discussing right now at HWC SF)
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@Caltrain
@SolarDaveGreen As a nation we decided we're cool with third world infrastructure.
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@IgnacioMls
#India is rolling out trains with #solar-powered coaches that’ll save thousands of liters of #diesel http://bit.ly/2uBNwDv #renewables https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFriaCLV0AESzKq.jpg
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tantek
gives Loqi a bitly
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Loqi
runs away from the bitly
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tantek
yeah that explains that
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Loqi
[Eddie Hinkle] Only me holding down the fort for the first Frederick Homebrew Website Club 😁 at Urbana Regional Library https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/12192241_SGa8GO4vniRgvcm64hJCXxNwcJVezSTEL8SVBAwfuH8.jpg
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[eddie]
Alas, no one at Frederick, MD tonight. That’s okay. Some of the outreach I’m doing hasn’t been able to kick in until August.
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tantek
eddie++ for giving it a shot! definitely helps to have a co-organizer who will commit to showing up too
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Loqi
eddie has 13 karma in this channel (22 overall)
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@Caltrain
Site seems to be down. Grab a paper schedule onboard, download a free app, look on station displays. We're working on it. #Caltrain QT [@camilleglong] @Caltrain website has been down all day. Do you have an up to date schedule on hand?
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tantek
This seems like an interesting nerdery opportunity, a world wide train schedules website that caches all that
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[eddie]
tantek: Thanks! Yeah, a co-organizer makes sense. At least I got a nice 2 hours of quiet coding time in 🙂 Most personal coding time that I’ve had in the last 2 weeks
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tantek
yeah I treat it as quiet writing time myself :)
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tantek
what is the hwc logo?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "hwc logo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10qP
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travisfw
So the homebrew website club is not at Mozilla now right? All the wiki pages, including the one in the topic of this channel, say it is
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tantek
it is !
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tantek
j12t and I are here
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tantek
where are you travisfw
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travisfw
Menlo Park :( ...time... it flies like a banana.
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@EddieHinkle
Looking forward to the first ever Frederick/Urbana Homebrew Website Club! Come check it out at 7:30! http://meetu.ps/3c3CQc https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFsjNJLUQAAudOF.png
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tantek
[eddie]: where did you get that logo ^^^
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tantek
aaronpk: have you seen that before?
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travisfw
I will have to join next month
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tantek
and now we're three!
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tantek
travisfw yes!
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tantek
I won't be here in two weeks, but hopefully benwerd or staceydepolo will organize it!
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tantek
or we'll skip Aug 9 and do it 2017-08-23 for sure
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tantek
welcome bdesham !
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bdesham
thanks tantek!
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tantek
j12t: up to 26 things on indietech.rocks!
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tantek
t: what about making it a 100 days project?
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j12t
Only 74 left to go ? :-)
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j12t
Good idea. I need help though. There are more good products out there that don't screw us, but I don't know all of them!
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tantek
and then when you get to 100 you can provide 100 alternatives. Instead of X, try the indietech alternative Y!
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tantek
j12t: still not clear which IndieWeb plugins I should be installing on a new WordPress, the list on the wiki, or searching for IndieWeb on the WordPress Plugins directory?
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tantek
t: I'm pretty sure the wiki, GWG and snarfed worked hard on that during IWS 2017
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GWG
tantek: It needs more work. Always does
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tantek
can you help answer that question as an FAQ
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tantek
ej: if you post a photo of people on the internet, you should at least tag them in it so they have the option to untag themselves. the tag lets them know that the picture is there
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tantek
and in an album ok to just tag people in a few, figuring they'll notice and look through the album if they care
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tantek
t: for indieweb photos, would you prefer if "indieweb posted a photo of you" or "tantek posted a photo of you"?
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tantek
all: personal
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tantek
ej: either way if I care I'll just untag myself
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tantek
ej: congrats to t for getting events working on his site!
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tantek
ej: next - invite more people, and then personally message them - it was effective
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tantek
j12t: does anyone POSSE to Reddit?
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tantek
t: did you check the wiki? ;) /Reddit
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tantek
aaronpk didn't you manually POSSE to Reddit? or was that Hacker News?
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tantek
what is Hacker News?
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Loqi
Hacker News is a bookmark posting silo as well as a silo for comments on those links https://indieweb.org/Hacker_News
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tantek
what is Reddit?
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Loqi
Reddit is a link aggregator and bulletin board site where community members may submit links and text posts, vote on the submitted entries, and post comments on them https://indieweb.org/Reddit
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tantek
t: what's the difference?
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tantek
ej: Reddit is much wider in scope and many more people use it
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tantek
(previously: t demo'd indie events and RSVPs - wrapping even)
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tantek
Reddit << [[Hacker News]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[Hacker News]]" to the "See Also" section of /Reddit
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tantek
Hacker News << [[Reddit]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[Reddit]]" to the "See Also" section of /Hacker_News
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tantek
j12t: I got a warning message from Reddit for posting too many links from the same few domains
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tantek
t: please screenshot that and upload it to the wiki!
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tantek
t: does anyone use Tumblr at all?
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tantek
ej: I just don't understand it
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tantek
ej: the blogging aspect makes sense with templates and such. the reblogging does not make sense to me.
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tantek
ej: the reblogging thing does not make sense to me
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tantek
bdesham: I heard not having comments on tumblr was a deliberate design, to avoid abuse, so to comment you have to reblog?
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tantek
ej: I have a hard time understanding how this content has traveled
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tantek
j12t++
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Loqi
j12t has 10 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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tantek
bdesham: maybe they redirect based on site-global post IDs?
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tantek
t (tries) - works without the slug
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tantek
but not when you change the x.tumblr
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bdesham
Twitter works like this: the URL includes a username and a post ID, but if you change the username to something else then the link still works
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bdesham
you just get redirected to the URL with the correct username
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tantek
yes! the Loqi tweet permalinks here use that fact
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tantek
j12t: maybe once a quarter we could do HWC connected with other cities
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tantek
t (previously) new recent cities: Frederick, Maryland
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@falcon_autotech
You all are welcome to Falcon Stand at #IWS2017
(twtr.io/1UMT3NF_c54)
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@falcon_autotech
Mr.Naman Jain giving demo of #picktolight #puttolight to Customer at #IWS2017 https://twitter.com/falcon_autotech/status/890449258234695680/photo/1
(twtr.io/1UMWHutR4ML)
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KartikPrabhu
TheGillies: what's that?
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TheGillies
KartikPrabhu: A method I'm coming up with for sharing signed social data regardless of platform
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TheGillies
I'm using ipfs currently because It's not bound to a particular host
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TheGillies
but any uri would work
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KartikPrabhu
TheGillies: maybe start with documenting the use-case. I don't read Ruby so I had no idea what that does or tries to solve
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TheGillies
in the triple: <urn:ipfs:QmYJXcwDU72gQDSbNFo41Z7sLJU9LVivRx485r41owmXWY> <http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/assurance> <urn:ipfs:QmbdooNUQM3efGjPByB485CicqZFZRbxFGCmauzJkUEAbb> .
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TheGillies
, the first URI is an entity that contains a description of me, that includes a link to my public pgp key, the third URI is a link to the detached signature of that data
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TheGillies
it's essentially a signed h-card but in rdf turtle instead of microformats
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TheGillies
here is the URL for the description data: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYJXcwDU72gQDSbNFo41Z7sLJU9LVivRx485r41owmXWY for example.
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sknebel
so you publish a signed document about you, thus linking your key to what you claim is your contact info? and if I can match your key via one of these ways of contacting you I know it's really your document?
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TheGillies
sknebel: yep
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TheGillies
rdf + ipfs doesn't use microformats or my own custom domain but I own the data I publish and people can contact me. so I wonder how far you can stretch 'indie' before it's no longer 'indie'
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TheGillies
i wonder if anyone has made an indie rdf vocab so I could use a webmention predicate
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TheGillies
actually webmention spec looks like it uses rel=http://webmention.org/ so probably better to use that URI
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TheGillies
<urn:pgp:D2A544091FA322EFDA4E919B1E3F141005B84A46:tyler> <http://webmention.org/> <http://my-webmention-backend.example> .
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