#indieweb 2017-07-27
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@schmarty Great discussion with @jonathanprozzi at tonight's HWC Baltimore! Notes here: https://martymcgui.re/2017/07/26/203039/ #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/890370123034447872/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/890370123034447872)
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[kevinmarks] Hello hwc sf
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tantek uh-oh, latest tweet: https://twitter.com/Caltrain/status/890375320045404162
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@Caltrain @SolarDaveGreen As a nation we decided we're cool with third world infrastructure. (twitter.com/_/status/890375320045404162)
# tantek but cool for India: https://twitter.com/IgnacioMls/status/890272815320006668
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@IgnacioMls #India is rolling out trains with #solar-powered coaches that’ll save thousands of liters of #diesel http://bit.ly/2uBNwDv #renewables https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFriaCLV0AESzKq.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/890272815320006668)
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Only me holding down the fort for the first Frederick Homebrew Website Club ? at Urbana Regional Library https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/12192241_SGa8GO4vniRgvcm64hJCXxNwcJVezSTEL8SVBAwfuH8.jpg
# @Caltrain Site seems to be down. Grab a paper schedule onboard, download a free app, look on station displays. We're working on it. #Caltrain QT [@camilleglong] @Caltrain website has been down all day. Do you have an up to date schedule on hand? (twitter.com/_/status/890349650401665024)
# tantek lol of course: https://caltrainschedule.io/
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hwc logo" yet. Would you like to create it?
# tantek hwc logo is /Homebrew_Website_Club#Logo
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travisfw So the homebrew website club is not at Mozilla now right? All the wiki pages, including the one in the topic of this channel, say it is
# travisfw Menlo Park :( ...time... it flies like a banana.
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j12t Where does this logo come from? https://twitter.com/eddiehinkle/status/890344064410890240
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@EddieHinkle Looking forward to the first ever Frederick/Urbana Homebrew Website Club! Come check it out at 7:30! http://meetu.ps/3c3CQc https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFsjNJLUQAAudOF.png (twitter.com/_/status/890344064410890240)
# travisfw I will have to join next month
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# Loqi Hacker News is a bookmark posting silo as well as a silo for comments on those links https://indieweb.org/Hacker_News
# Loqi Reddit is a link aggregator and bulletin board site where community members may submit links and text posts, vote on the submitted entries, and post comments on them https://indieweb.org/Reddit
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# tantek Reddit << [[Hacker News]]
# Loqi ok, I added "[[Hacker News]]" to the "See Also" section of /Reddit
# Loqi ok, I added "[[Reddit]]" to the "See Also" section of /Hacker_News
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# j12t tantek: here it is: https://indieweb.org/Reddit#Criticism
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gRegorLove !tell tantek that HWC logo is SVG 1 here: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Promoting_a_HWC_event
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@falcon_autotech You all are welcome to Falcon Stand at #IWS2017 (twitter.com/_/status/890440181597077504)
# @falcon_autotech Falcon autotech at #IWS2017 https://twitter.com/falcon_autotech/status/890441226767519744/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/890441226767519744)
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TheGillies is this considered 'indie'? https://gist.github.com/tjgillies/d2bc25b31b5bec68774c64d358ffdf03
# @falcon_autotech Mr.Naman Jain giving demo of #picktolight #puttolight to Customer at #IWS2017 https://twitter.com/falcon_autotech/status/890449258234695680/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/890449258234695680)
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KartikPrabhu TheGillies: what's that?
# TheGillies KartikPrabhu: A method I'm coming up with for sharing signed social data regardless of platform
# TheGillies I'm using ipfs currently because It's not bound to a particular host
# TheGillies but any uri would work
# KartikPrabhu TheGillies: maybe start with documenting the use-case. I don't read Ruby so I had no idea what that does or tries to solve
# TheGillies in the triple: <urn:ipfs:QmYJXcwDU72gQDSbNFo41Z7sLJU9LVivRx485r41owmXWY> <http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/assurance> <urn:ipfs:QmbdooNUQM3efGjPByB485CicqZFZRbxFGCmauzJkUEAbb> .
# TheGillies , the first URI is an entity that contains a description of me, that includes a link to my public pgp key, the third URI is a link to the detached signature of that data
# TheGillies it's essentially a signed h-card but in rdf turtle instead of microformats
# TheGillies here is the URL for the description data: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYJXcwDU72gQDSbNFo41Z7sLJU9LVivRx485r41owmXWY for example.
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# gRegorLove Maybe related: https://indieweb.org/pgp#Integrity
# TheGillies sknebel: yep
# TheGillies rdf + ipfs doesn't use microformats or my own custom domain but I own the data I publish and people can contact me. so I wonder how far you can stretch 'indie' before it's no longer 'indie'
# TheGillies i wonder if anyone has made an indie rdf vocab so I could use a webmention predicate
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# TheGillies could probably just use <https://indieweb.org/webmention>
# TheGillies actually webmention spec looks like it uses rel=http://webmention.org/ so probably better to use that URI
# TheGillies <urn:pgp:D2A544091FA322EFDA4E919B1E3F141005B84A46:tyler> <http://webmention.org/> <http://my-webmention-backend.example> .
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# [acegiak_net] Ok! I did it! I updated the GitHub repo for my WordPress posse plugin, including how I posse to WordPress. Needs composer
# [acegiak_net] https://github.com/acegiak/quickposse
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[chrisaldrich] acegiak++ for quickposse updates
# [chrisaldrich] It's been a while since we've seen you; hope all is well!
# [acegiak_net] It is! I'm just a super busy lady ?
# [chrisaldrich] BTW, there's a shiny new Indieweb #wordpress channel if you hadn't discovered it in chat/IRC/Slack...
# [acegiak_net] Oh! I hadn't seen that!
# [chrisaldrich] It's often quiet in the overnight hours when the Americas are usually asleep, but it's been pretty busy in the past month or so since it launched.
# [acegiak_net] Neat! I need to look into what stuff I can use to get people set up quickly because most of my stuff is pretty custom jury rigged stuff
# [acegiak_net] But I have friends who are keen but not as technical as me
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, pfefferle, miklb, et al discussed a lot of that at IWS 2017 and have been making some useful headway towards conglomerating some of the various plugins.
# [chrisaldrich] This week I've been making some outlines for improving not only documentation, but actually making some walk through videos for indieweb-ifying wordpress sites.
# [acegiak_net] Neato!
# [chrisaldrich] somehow I'd never run across quickposse, but will have to check it out.d
# [chrisaldrich] Has whisperfollow made any progress of late?
# [chrisaldrich] I'd been meaning to recommend PressForward to you as an interesting built in RSS reader, though it needs some better UI for the indieweb webmention portions.
# [acegiak_net] Um probably? I probably haven't updated the repo with my latest versions
# [acegiak_net] I've been trying to work out how I can make WhisperFollow work with Twitter better so that it can show tweets as close to real time as possible but still work with the rest of my Fred
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# [acegiak_net] Feed*
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
# [chrisaldrich] I know it's been over a year since I've looked at the whisperfollow code. Building an integrated reader into wordpress certainly isn't easy or trivial.
# [acegiak_net] No and I was new to WordPress when I started so I made some weird decisions
# jeremycherfas Acegiak_net: What does quickposse permit?
# [chrisaldrich] I did notice that the edublogs hosted WP site had an integrated reader last week, but I ahven't been able to dig into what they're using for implementing it.
# [chrisaldrich] good morning jeremycherfas!
# jeremycherfas Hey Chrisaldrich. Up late?
# [chrisaldrich] What is edublogs?
# Loqi edublogs is a hosted custom version of WordPress geared toward students, teachers, and educational institutions https://indieweb.org/edublogs
# [acegiak_net] jeremycherfas it does posse to Instagram, Twitter and Tumblr
# [chrisaldrich] Yes, I've been trying to finish writing a handful of pieces since I skipped HWC tonight. Thought I'd do a marathon quiet writing hour(s).
# [chrisaldrich] What is quickposse?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quickposse" yet. Would you like to create it?
# [acegiak_net] Quickposse is a WordPress plugin that posse syndicates posts to Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram
# jeremycherfas Acegiak; thanks. Interesting chat last night at virtual HWC about Tumblr and about onboarding to WP. I think video walkthroughs of setups will be very valuable chrisaldrich
# [chrisaldrich] I've also just finished a rather long piece about What Indieweb is for AltPlatform.org that will publish likely on Friday.
# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas do you have a favorite screencapture software for video walkthroughs?
# [chrisaldrich] I've been looking at a few before diving in on my outlines.
# [acegiak_net] I was using Tumblr extensively before getting into indieweb stuff so it was the first thing I worked on. Now I'm using more Twitter i want to work on my Twitter integration
# [acegiak_net] Getting videos to posse to Twitter was pretty exciting the other day
# jeremycherfas I did, but it has been a VERY long time. I think it was called Clearly. Let me check.
# [chrisaldrich] acegiak have you looked at any of the other POSSE options for WP? Compared/contrasted?
# [acegiak_net] I use OBS for streaming and it's not bad for capturing either
# [chrisaldrich] A compare/contrast post on that is something that might be worth a long post shortly. I think I've tried most of the bigger options at one point or another.
# [chrisaldrich] I've seen lots of OBS references (esp for gaming capture), so it's definitely on my list.
# jeremycherfas Nope, Clarify http://www.clarify-it.com
# [acegiak_net] I think at the time I started writing quickposse it was because the other options wouldn't handle Tumblr reblogs and replying to tweets
# [acegiak_net] Quickposse integrates with the metadata fields from the post-kinds plugin
# [chrisaldrich] Thanks Jeremy, that actually looks pretty interesting.
# jeremycherfas It does a great job.
# [chrisaldrich] Ohhh... that sounds promising. I'm a big fan of post-kinds integrations.
# [chrisaldrich] Though that reminds me Ashton. I played around with your Last.fm scrobbler plugin for a bit back in December.
# [acegiak_net] Oh! Neat!
# [acegiak_net] My biggest problem has been finding a good scrobbling app for my phone
# [chrisaldrich] It did a nice job of pulling in data, and I could have sworn I recall the documentation saying it dovetailed with Post Kinds, but don't remember it doing so as seamlessly as I would have imagined.
# [acegiak_net] Oh, interesting
# [chrisaldrich] I put it on hold temporarily because I scrobble so much music I wasn't sure I wanted to turn it on just yet on my production site...
# [acegiak_net] https://acegiak.net/kind/listen/
# [chrisaldrich] I feel like I have to answer that question first (or figure out how to properly display it and the feeds) so it's not bothering everyone.
# [acegiak_net] Yeah, I specifically have been trying to make those kinds of microposts as unobtrusive as possible, it's really tricky
# [chrisaldrich] I think Facebook even gave up on some of that because they can be obnoxious if not done properly.
# [acegiak_net] Yeah, one thing I was trying to encourage was filtering in feed readers
# [chrisaldrich] I remember seeing your implementation looking/working as I expected, but I don't remember it populating the Post Kind fields the way I expected, though all the data was pushed through.
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# [chrisaldrich] I'd have to take a look at it again on my test site, which should still be collecting the data/scrobbles for the day when I want to move them over.
# [chrisaldrich] What phone do you use?
# [acegiak_net] When I'm at home off this train I'll check the repo is up to date
# [acegiak_net] I'm SO mad at YouTube for removing API access to watch history so I can't scrobble that data anymore
# [acegiak_net] I use a htc10. I've been a HTC fan since working in a phone Shop
# [chrisaldrich] I think I've got the native Last.fm app on my Android and most of the sub-apps I use for audio typically have scrobble capability that is controllable.
# [acegiak_net] Yeah the last.FM app for me stops scrobbling on reboot
# [chrisaldrich] I did just switch to Amazon Music for a bit, but haven't looked at whether that scrobbles properly yet.
# [acegiak_net] I use Google music so it might be that?
# [chrisaldrich] And yes the youtube API non-sense was annoying. I've switched to a janky thumbs-up to IFTTT workaround temporarily for those /watch type posts, but generally I save them on my back end and don't show them publicly at the moment.
# [chrisaldrich] I typically use Spotify the most and that seems to scrobble through without any problems on Android.
# [chrisaldrich] Somehow I have two last.fm accounts for some quirky reason and I keep meaning to check if they'll concatenate the two into one account for me.
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect they wouldn't, without data loss of some type or another, but who knows?
# [chrisaldrich] Alright kids, it's time to hit the hay. I've got an early morning in 4 hours....
# [chrisaldrich] Good to see you both acegiak and jeremycherfas. Have a good night!
# jeremycherfas Hope you get some good sleep.
# [acegiak_net] Night, Chris!
# [chrisaldrich] The better to read your posts in the morning! (I still have a nice backlog of eatthispodcast episodes to plow through...)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to Introducing Speed of Light Discussions by Jason Brennan" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/27/reply-to-introducing-speed-of-light-discussions-by-jason-brennan/
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petermolnar the android spotify app has scrobbling built-in without last.fm app
# petermolnar no
# petermolnar this is where pesos comes in
# petermolnar ah, wait
# petermolnar this is the actual source: https://github.com/encukou/lastscrape-gui/blob/master/lastexport.py
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# petermolnar that's the exception, more or less
# petermolnar if you have a rooted phone you can rewrite the last.fm host and redirect the traffic
# petermolnar or do the same with a proxy
# petermolnar unless it's sent from the spotify servers and not your client
# jeremycherfas Morning petermolnar.
# jeremycherfas Fter you left last night we were talking about Tumblr, and someone said that maybe you had a script to extract all of your posts from there.
# petermolnar yep, that was me
# petermolnar I pesos my favs from tumblr
# jeremycherfas Ah. I’ve been locked out of tumblr since forever and thought I might at some point want to download everything from there.
# petermolnar there are a few working tumblr->wordpress importers
# jeremycherfas Yes. We talked a bit about those. I could get into WP and then get out of there.
# petermolnar apparently there is for jekyll as well: http://import.jekyllrb.com/docs/tumblr/
# jeremycherfas I’m treating it like that, yes.
# jeremycherfas Morning sknebel.
# jeremycherfas Depends on what? I mean, is there an alternative mf2 that it could be instead?
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# jeremycherfas What is a mention?
# Loqi A mention is a post which links to another post without explicitly being in response to it https://indieweb.org/mention
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# jeremycherfas So no webmention sent to the inspiring post?
# jeremycherfas Hang on. Cweiske: you send a webmention to a url that has no special markup at your end. Why?
# jeremycherfas This is particularly interesting to me right now because I have just written a long post that was certainly inspired by another post, but isn’t directly a reply to it.
# jeremycherfas I marked it up as u-in-reply-to
# jeremycherfas Right. My question was, is there a special markup for “this is not a rely, but it is a mention”?
# jeremycherfas Cool. Thanks for clarifying.
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# [kevinmarks] I'm reading a lot on GDPR at the moment, and wondering if a 'consent' microformat makes sense
# petermolnar Zegnat that'd be a 'read', wouldn't it?
# [kevinmarks] what is consent?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "consent" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GDPR" yet. Would you like to create it?
# petermolnar what is read?
# Loqi To read or reading is the act of viewing and interpreting posts or other documents; on the IndieWeb, a read post expresses that something has been read, like a book or section thereof https://indieweb.org/read
# petermolnar interesting, though; 'read', 'listened', 'scrobble', etc, these are essentially log entriy
# petermolnar entries
# petermolnar when type what
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# [kevinmarks] what is GDPR?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GDPR" yet. Would you like to create it?
# [kevinmarks] GDPR is the EU General Data Protection Regulation which sets much tighter guidelines on use of personally identifiable information, and is backed by law, including fines for non-compliance.
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# [kevinmarks] well '9(2)(e) – Processing relates to personal data manifestly made public by the data subject' is a consent exemption
# [kevinmarks] so if publishing an h-card is manifestly making data public…
# petermolnar uhm... "So you are not allowed to just start collecting h-cards in a nickcache" so... what about my contacts in my radicale server?
# [kevinmarks] you may be in breach
# petermolnar lol
# petermolnar am I still allowed to keep a contacts handwritten book?
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sebsel GDPR << /2017/Nuremberg/law
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Zegnat petermolnar, that’s actually a big part of it. A while back I looked into recording phone conversations under Swedish law. Some people pointed out that you would only be allowed to record the audiowaves straight to tape because any digital format would fall under PUL (the PID protection law here) as soon as someone mentions their name in the call.
# petermolnar I'm going to say it: I don't care. I want to protect my arse as well when it comes to, for example, calls with my bank.
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@rMdes_ Wow now WoodWind allow to read & share from one single interface, connected to my #indieweb instance? :))) (twitter.com/_/status/890517650916462592)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Wow now WoodWind allow to read & share from one single interface, connected to my #indieweb instance? :)))" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-07-27 https://www.rmendes.net/2017/wow-now-woodwind-allow-to-read-amp-share-from-one
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# petermolnar how _logs_ will be affected
# petermolnar whoever decided this have not actually fought ssh bruteforcing bots
# Zegnat KevinMarks that 9(2)(e) exemption is interesting. I wonder how much could be argued to go under there. Am I “manifestly” making my IP public by browsing the web, thus can never claim my IP as protected data? 9(2)(j) is also interesting which allows processing “for archiving purposes in the public interest, or scientific and historical research purp
# [kevinmarks] IP addresses as PII is a bit weird. Everyone in London on Vodafone has the same IP4 address
# [kevinmarks] GDPR << FreeMyOAuth
# Loqi ok, I added "[[FreeMyOAuth]]" to the "See Also" section of /GDPR
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# Zegnat cweiske, that might not matter (the copyright thing) because I as controller/processor can’t do that without the involvement of an ISP. That was something that came up during https://eulawanalysis.blogspot.se/2017/01/ip-addresses-as-personal-data-cjeus.html Although that was old DPD and not GDPR.
# @rMdes_ Reading on https://WoodWind.xyz/ and sharing from it using your own blog: love #indieweb !: https://www.rmendes.net/2017/reading-on-woodwindxyz-and-sharing-from-it-using-your-own (twitter.com/_/status/890527198196748288)
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@HwcBrussels Reading on https://WoodWind.xyz/ and sharing from it using your own blog: love #indieweb !: https://www.rmendes.net/2017/reading-on-woodwindxyz-and-sharing-from-it-using-your-own (twitter.com/_/status/890527199845109760)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Reading on WoodWind.xyz and sharing from it using your own blog: love #indieweb !" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-07-27 https://www.rmendes.net/2017/reading-on-woodwindxyz-and-sharing-from-it-using-your-own
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voxpelli The discussion on YouTube closing History API access and the discussion and GDPR link very well, just added a note on GDPR Data Portability: https://indieweb.org/GDPR#Data_Portability
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# jeremycherfas Sknebel: That last point is interesting. If I want to tell the author something, I am liable to not use IndieWeb or at least to POSSE directly. That way, I can be reasonably confident they will see it.
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# [kevinmarks] Google exports html with microformats
# [kevinmarks] Facebook exports very vanilla html with a lot of cross linking stripped last time I checked
# [kevinmarks] Twitter exports a single page web app
# KartikPrabhu isn't "telling someone something" an @-mention ?
# KartikPrabhu write a post "@-someone I wrote this thing you might be interested in" then send webmention to their homepage
# KartikPrabhu of course assuming the @-someone is linked to the homepage
# KartikPrabhu Zegnat: I would not think of it as a reply unless it is responding to something in the original article
# KartikPrabhu either way seems fine depending on what you want. I still get the webmention
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# bignose even “responding to something in the article doesn't map identically to “reply to the article”.
# bignose I would say that “reply” implies an *address to* the original's author.
# bignose if you're merely writing a post because of an original post, *without* intending to address the author; then that's IMO not a reply.
# KartikPrabhu in any case, what is the use-case for making such distinctions?
# KartikPrabhu cweiske: that is up to the consumer to decide
# bignose KartikPrabhu: the distinction is important, to be clear when someone decides “this article refers to and quotes from that article, therefore I'll mark it as a reply” — the distinction shows why that's incorrect.
# KartikPrabhu for example: my note https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/link-aware-progressive-disclosure shows up in adactio's "responses" with all the text https://adactio.com/journal/10365#comment49661 even though I did not "reply"
# Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Made a link-aware progressive disclosure javascript https://gist.github.com/kartikprabhu/45528a06915ac2d92b1ec83084b31b84
It is adapted from the one by @adactio ( https://adactio.com/journal/10365 ), but added a few things so that if the URL links t...
# KartikPrabhu bignose: u-in-reply-to already does that
# KartikPrabhu you are free to choose whether to reply or not. I am free to choose whether to follow your distinction.
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# bignose KartikPrabhu: so when you ask “what is the use-case for making such distinctions?”, who is the agent making distinctions?
# KartikPrabhu bignose: the people discussing it here
# bignose you seem to be thinking only of a user manually choosing whether a post is marked as a reply to another.
# bignose while I thought Zegnat and others are discussing what distinctions an automated tool should make.
# KartikPrabhu again that is solved by u-in-reply-to
# KartikPrabhu if there is no u-in-reply-to then it is a mention otherwise it is a reply
# bignose I think we're talking past one another. but I'll let Zegnat defend their position if needed.
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# Zegnat bignose: I was coming from the perspective of a post author, completely separate of tooling. I read adactio’s latest post on his posting flow. It mentioned rel-me and IndieAuth. Those are subjects interesting to me. The way he wrote about it made me want to address some conceptions that are going around. My post does not read like a comment (reply)
# Zegnat to adactio directly, but it was spurred by his post. So my question was how to mark that up. Just a mention puts it on par with all other URLs I happen to mention on the post, which feels wrong as his post was the origo for the idea. But an in-reply-to feels wrong because it applies to many more things and is not a straight-up comment.
# KartikPrabhu Zegnat: my question was why does one need to distinguish it in the first place apart from "feels wrong"
# KartikPrabhu or said another way, if adactio is not consuming it differently, why mark it up?
# jeremycherfas Just to chime in, and stress what I hinted at earlier, if the author is the primary audience for what I have to say, I would probably say it to them directly, somehow.
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[eddie] My replies are removed from the “main stream” just like sknebel, which is why I define a reply as intended for the original author. Others CAN see it, but they aren’t necessarily GOING to see it always. Plus I can see that being handy in a reader to do something like twitter “Only show a reply IF the author and recipient are people you follow”
# jeremycherfas Eddie: Don’t you think that if you don’t know them, then a direct approach via one of the silos, or an email, or a comment on their site (maybe POSSEd) would be more effective at getting their attention?
# jeremycherfas Oh, if their site supports webmentions, that’s fine. A webmention is enough. But those rmeain in a distinct minority at the moment, alas.
# jeremycherfas runs away and hides.
# jeremycherfas If I were fully retired, with no clients ever screaming for work (as they were this morning) I would definitely consider it.
# jeremycherfas Eddie: I think I have exactly the same filter in place.
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# [eddie] Hey Barry ? My pleasure. it’s always helpful to me when people catch my bugs (aaronpk has caught many of them). That’s good to know. Definitely some of the choices made of when to do a “reply” will change over time for people. For example I never would have thought to reply to a bookmark before today. Today I thought of it and didn’t do it. In the future, I might just choose to
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# jeremycherfas OK, enough of this soul-destroying client work. Time for a break.
# voxpelli This got pretty much talk about it when it was written: https://www.sarasoueidan.com/blog/jekyll-ghpages-to-hugo-netlify/
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# bignose as with many apparent dichotomies, it's more accurately a spectrum.
# voxpelli [eddie]: it's all here: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com
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# voxpelli starts thinking of https://datproject.org/ but realizes directly that it would be insanely overkill
# sebsel See tantek.com: http://tantek.com/log/2008/01.html
# sebsel http://tantek.com/log/2004/01.html is completely different again
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# [kevinmarks] I tried Hugo on a pretty big site and the rebuild time was great. The reasons you need to rebuild everything is when you are changing templates. Hugo has a pretty good dynamic mode you can run locally so it rebuilds when you edit template or post files
# [kevinmarks] Will that make ownyourgram stop working with my hosted known site?
# [kevinmarks] Oh, I think the difference is not scope but json format that stops ownyourswarm working with my hosted known
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# sebsel dgold Do you know how to download / import an image for a URL? Then you can use atlas, like: http://atlas.p3k.io/map/img?marker[]=lat:45.5165;lng:-122.6764;icon:small-blue-cutout&basemap=gray&width=600&height=240&zoom=14
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@calum_ryan Thanks @triblondon last night leading discussion on distributed & syndicated content https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/distributed-content/ #indieweb community take note (twitter.com/_/status/890579725005066243)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "An interesting #indieweb dilemma http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/11/the-facebook-algorithm-mom-problem" by Pilch on 2017-07-13 https://pilch.me/2017/an-interesting-indieweb-dilemma-20170711the-facebook-algorithm-mom-problem
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Site deaths where you least expect them" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-22 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/site-deaths-where-you-least-expect-them
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# jeremycherfas It is possible that I have correctly implemented voxpelli’s webmention receiver. If anyone would care to send a webmention to https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/not-giving-up-on-indieweb I would be very grateful. Not sure how long these things take to show up.
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# sketchess Good morning Loqi. Good morning Indieweb.
# jeremycherfas Whoever did that, thank you very much!
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# gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
# jeremycherfas Aaronpk++
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# jeremycherfas I’m going to crack open a beer and retire from the fray for a while. Thanks again, everybody.
# sketchess Hmmm.... I wonder, if rel attributes / values are just benefiting search engines.
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# sketchess What are microformats?
# Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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# [kevinmarks] Well, rel values benefit search engines and sites that want search engines to represent them properly
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@_dgoldsmith Is the #Indieweb easy? No, it isn't. Is it hard? That depends on what you mean by hard. I flailed about when I… https://ascraeus.org//micro/1501178407 (twitter.com/_/status/890632915184263168)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked:Not giving up on IndieWeb" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-07-27 https://srikanthperinkulam.com/2017/07/27/indieweb-nuances/
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "So long Disqus, hello Webmention" https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/27/6/)
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# sketchess To gain information and learn about Indieweb building blocks is kind of tricky.^^ It gets me lost in thoughts. No surprise that most related artikels I found connect with Indieweb somehow. What amazes me, is that they suddenly end in the middle of the subject. It leaves a strange feeling. ..... hmmmmm
# gRegorLove Nice ^ What section of /Disqus should I put that on?
# sketchess ?
# gRegorLove Separate conversation about the Disqus link above
# sketchess ah, I see...
# gRegorLove Whoa, I didn't know Bridgy posts webmentions as Disqus comments for Tumblr
# 
@IrishWhiskeySoc Our visit to the JDBS is kicking off! Excited to be here for our July tasting with the wonderful @GerMidleton #iws2017 #jamesonbowst (twitter.com/_/status/890644299376771072)
# gRegorLove According to /Disqus#IndieWeb_Experience
# sketchess Zegnat, could you guys teach me on HWC more about microformats? It feels like it could be something for me? I am interested in the subject. :)
# gRegorLove sketchess: Certainly. There's also an intro session at IWS which was recorded.
# gRegorLove sketchess: https://indieweb.org/2017/building-blocks
# gRegorLove Youtube link on there, and notes
# sketchess hmmmm.... I try to remember, I might attended the first half hours. -> looks
# gRegorLove That might have been all of the microformats content. The session covered Webmentions and WebSub in the latter half.
# sketchess Thanks for the link gRegorLove, but that does not satisfy me.
# sketchess And are you perhaps also happy to dig in deeper, Zegnat? ;)
# sketchess What?
# sketchess I need the spiders web point of view. Thihihihi.
# sketchess Since it is a language some sort of, I might have to ask some odd questions. Probably some you never heard. xD
# 
@MirenSomers Best old fashioned I've ever had made by @jamesonwhiskey craft ambassador Donal at the JDBS #jamesonbowst #IWS2017 @irishwhiskeysoc (twitter.com/_/status/890648928798085120)
# @MirenSomers Two incredible craft ambassadors, Molly and Christopher, teaching us all about #jameson tonight #jamesonbowst #IWS2017 @IrishWhiskeySoc (twitter.com/_/status/890649297804345344)
# sketchess As long as microformats are meaningless words for me, I will not get a hang of it. Regardless how many articles about it I find. And little pieces of a puzzle that remains unfinished.
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# sketchess Which point of view?
# sketchess Indieweb based? General?
# sketchess A model would be very helpful. *thought*
# gRegorLove It's definitely helpful to see someone write simple microformats in the parser and show the results, then describe how that came about based on the prefixes.
# sketchess As far as I saw yet, Indieweb used microformats are certain ones. Often mentioned 5, 6 of them.
# sketchess Nature is more important than history for me.
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Not giving up on IndieWeb https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/not-giving-up-on-indieweb" by Stephen Pieper on 2017-07-27 http://stream.stephenpieper.net/2017/liked-not-giving-up-on-indieweb-3fd519da5b
# sketchess How can it serve it's users? Which ways?
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# sketchess Ok, I won't dig today. xD
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# sketchess Keep that thought Zegnat, we will come to it. This are already 3 ropes in hand to follow. :)
# sketchess I will have to leave, bedtime is near. So sweet dreams veryone and a good morning.
# sketchess and thanks
# sketchess kay chatlog bockmarked ;), I am out...... thihihi
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# @IrishWhiskeySoc Whiskey time with @GerMidleton #jamesonbowst #iws2017 https://twitter.com/IrishWhiskeySoc/status/890661811724234752/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/890661811724234752)
# gRegorLove Heh, probably safe to turn off #iws2017?
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# 
@nhoizey @kethinov Portier would more be an equivalent of IndieAuth: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/890664832382492672)
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@jgarber @cap You may be interested in http://indieweb.org. (twitter.com/_/status/890667945780592640)
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# petermolnar with the help of Zegnat - pointing out I can release my stuff with alternative licence over cc - I've reorganised my licenses: cc by for code/tech articles, cc by-nd for journal and cc-by-nd-nc for photos. I'm not expecting any change from any angle, but it's at least clear now.
# petermolnar I do have a problem with favorites
# petermolnar because it's more or less impossble to trace them back to their actual source
# petermolnar and because I make a copy, otherwise they'll be gone in a few years for sure
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# j12t I mis-counted yesterday at Homebrew Website Club. We are at #No. 32 in our list of products that don't screw us. http://indietech.rocks/
# Loqi tantek: gRegorLove left you a message 17 hours, 44 minutes ago: that HWC logo is SVG 1 here: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Promoting_a_HWC_event
# tantek !tell gRegorLove perhaps we should combine that with https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Logo
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# gRegorLove !tell tantek Done: /Homebrew_Website_Club#Logos_and_Graphics
# Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 15 minutes ago: perhaps we should combine that with https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Logo
# gRegorLove I can't tell a difference between logo 1 and 2 there. Description says one is without text, but it's there?
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