#indieweb 2017-07-28

2017-07-28 UTC
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-07-28.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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Loqi tantek: gRegorLove left you a message 6 hours, 27 minutes ago: Done: /Homebrew_Website_Club#Logos_and_Graphics
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tantek \o/
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@evanwolf @bmann Ah. They build for fb already, especially in the US. I prefer indieweb for most civichacks and govIT; less s… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/890801456822927360 (twitter.com/_/status/890801456822927360)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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@jusTransact Visit Millennium India stall at #IWS2017 at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi. Get exciting offers for world-class POS prod… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/890828539607392256 (twitter.com/_/status/890828539607392256)
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@MillenniumPOS Visit Millennium India stall at #IWS2017 at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi. Get exciting offers for world-class POS prod… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/890831018197897216 (twitter.com/_/status/890831018197897216)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Pride goeth ..." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-28 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/pride-goeth
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Lukas Rosenstock on Twitter: "Just taken the first few steps to re-enable my personal website. Hope to publish my first post there soon. #indieweb"" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-23 https://twitter.com/LukasRosenstock/status/889173229184532480
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@johnjohnston Reading: Getting there | Jeremy Cherfas Although I am really enjoying exploring the indieweb, this point about ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/reading-getting-there-jeremy-cherfasalthough-i-am-rea/ (twitter.com/_/status/890861003021455360)
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cweiske jeremycherfas, the svg image on https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/getting-there is a tiny bit large :)
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Loqi Getting there
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jeremycherfas Cweiske Which one? The avatar?
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dgold heh
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dgold jeremycherfas: Il mio nome è daniel goldsmith
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jeremycherfas Oops. Mea maxima culpa.
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jeremycherfas I’ll fix this afternoon. Right now, clients are waiting.
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sebsel gRegorLove++ for https://github.com/gRegorLove/mf2-to-iCalendar :D https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/1f899a-seblog-to-ical.jpg
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Loqi [gRegorLove] mf2-to-iCalendar: Convert microformats h-event to iCalendar
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Zegnat sebsel when is that next Dutch HWC coming up? ;)
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sebsel haha this is an old one, my only h-event ;)
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Loqi hehe
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sebsel But yeah, need to start it up again
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cweiske jeremycherfas, yes the avatar
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jeremycherfas Seems to my eye to be about the right size when I look at it in a browser.
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cweiske oh.
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cweiske hard-reloaded, now it's nice
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cweiske I probably didn't have the latest css
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jeremycherfas Possibly not.
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sebsel added embedded h-events to my rsvp's, so if I rsvp via my site, the event appears on my Apple Calendar thanks to gRegorLove :)
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voxpelli nice sebsel!
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sebsel now waiting for aaronpk to review https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/pull/39 so I can do Fb events less manual 0:)
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Loqi [sebsel] #39 add Facebook events
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cweiske I see many blog posts mentioning "vouch" as the solution to the spam problem that brought down pingback, but in reality nobody implements it
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petermolnar cweiske other things we discussed with aaronpk here: http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/webmention
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petermolnar the one thing that's missing from there is greylisting
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petermolnar which could be implemented for webmentions in theory
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cweiske indeed
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petermolnar http 503 at first request should mean try again later
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petermolnar or even "http 406 Not Acceptable"
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cweiske no. 406 implies the request itself cannot be answered
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cweiske and that the client should not retry without modifying it
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cweiske 5xx is correct, since it's temporary
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petermolnar I have no idea how effective it would be though
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petermolnar works for email
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cweiske webmention -> w2smtp-proxy -> mailserver -> greylisting -> spamassassin -> mail handler: mail2webmention -> real webmention endpoint
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petermolnar hell no :D
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petermolnar but I did wonder if I can parse them through akismet somehow
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cweiske that'd only require me to build 2 parts (w2smtp and back)
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voxpelli Vouch will probably be implemented by more people as needs grow
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voxpelli Spam protection is kind of hard to dogfood
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voxpelli So currently people dogfood other things with higher return
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cweiske people will begin implementing that after the first spam wave rolled over everyone
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cweiske which will look to non-techies the same as pingback previously
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voxpelli the blacklists that was discussed lately is one stop on the way – getting such mechanisms in place means more of the work needed is available
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voxpelli like interfaces for managing blacklist/whitelist
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petermolnar feels tempted to start webmention spams
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cweiske spamming is easy currently, just send a webmention from "url#foo" to "url"
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sebsel petermolnar I thought the same. A friend of Loqi, the friendly webmention spammer
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cweiske 1. loop through irc-people
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cweiske 2. fetch first h-entry
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cweiske 3. send webmention anchor spam
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cweiske sebsel, Yes, alles is goed gegaan!
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cweiske https://seblog.nl/2017/05/31/6/wachtwoordmanager
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Wachtwoordmanager
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sebsel I have one indeed :P
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cweiske three now :)
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sebsel :'(
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petermolnar that's no spam
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Loqi [superfeedr] "http://altplatform.org/2017/06/20/building-a-blogroll-in-2017/" by Peter Molnar on 2017-06-28 https://petermolnar.net/re-building-a-blogroll-in-2017/
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cweiske wait until I do that to your page
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sebsel well, it clutters my post
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petermolnar it'll fail in the first iteration - does the source have my url?
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petermolnar because I throw away selfpings
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cweiske yep, saw that
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cweiske selfpings are not allowed
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sebsel Yeah, several feeds on my site mention that blogpost, so I should probably block everything from my own domain
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sebsel But I do like to selfping sometimes
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petermolnar but then again, that's not real spam
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petermolnar 1, loop through irc people
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petermolnar 2, fetch first h-entry
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petermolnar 3, generate a lot of static html with urls to all of them and add spam text as e-content
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petermolnar 4, upload that to github pages
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sebsel petermolnar they are listed under my post! and they pile up https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/0566b0-spam.jpg
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petermolnar 5, send webmentions
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voxpelli cweiske: I don't think that work on my endpoint
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voxpelli I will normalize away the fragment
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voxpelli very very much hope cweiske doesn't see that comment as a challenge to anything :P
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cweiske https://voxpelli.com/2016/07/better-handle-npm-modules/
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Loqi [Pelle Wessman] 3 tricks to better handle npm modules
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cweiske scroll down
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cweiske I didn't even need an anchor
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voxpelli cweiske: yes, you can do one, but not more than one
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cweiske haha
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cweiske look again
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cweiske ?asdf
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Loqi hehe
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voxpelli now that's cheating, _fragments_
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cweiske :)
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voxpelli but um, I do wonder why the second one is returned at all
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voxpelli because that is two distinct URL:s (unless I've mistakenly looked up some canonical and that way accidentally turned the second one into something else)
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sebsel it all shows how fragile webmentions are at the moment :/
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voxpelli well, dogfooding can be labeled as fragile or as awesome :)
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petermolnar well, one of the fast fortifications could be to check if the source contains the url AND it's proper mf2 as u-in-reply-to, u-bookmark-of, etc, and not just a simple link
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voxpelli it reflects that we are positive community where we haven't needed to put up large defenses against one another
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sebsel voxpelli that's true
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petermolnar we should put a voluntary list together and start spamming eachother
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petermolnar for real
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petermolnar to force ourselves into dogfooding spam proteczion
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petermolnar protection
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sebsel petermolnar I already check for mf2 indeed, but I think placing a minimal h-card on your site would trigger already
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sebsel seblog.nl/spam-this-page or something? :P
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Loqi +1
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voxpelli probably rather dedicated ones
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voxpelli dedicated sites*
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voxpelli else such stuff could easily leak and affect real reputation of stuff
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voxpelli is writing amazingly bad sentences today
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petermolnar voxpelli is not alone
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petermolnar yeah, that'd work: a list of people with a list of specific endpoints that should be spammed the most creative ways we can come up with
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petermolnar including url#fragment, simple spam html, mf2 marked up spam, etc
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petermolnar who is in?
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petermolnar what is spamdogfooders?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "spamdogfooders" yet. Would you like to create it?
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voxpelli imagines The Indie Spam Bot League – who will win the grand prize? Will cweiske take the win or will petermolnar, the challenger, rize to the top?
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petermolnar reads that out loud it his head in the voice of Chris from Total Drama Island
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cweiske the problem is that once I start blocking your server IPs, you cannot comment on normal posts
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petermolnar the same applies for mail
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petermolnar block it with a ttl
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cweiske and I only have 1 IP address
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petermolnar heh, my home isp lent me 5 ipv4 addresses :D
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petermolnar but then again, use gh pages
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petermolnar because you really shouldn't block those ranges for too long
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aaronpk IP blocking is probably not the best spam solution, gotta find more interesting ones :-)
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petermolnar domain blocking or, probably better, fuzzy url blocking
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petermolnar (aaronpk if you're planning an evil twin for Loqi, how about Forseti , just to completely swap the god roles)
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sebsel I now strip query and hashes from the source URL, and don't allow target==source anymore :)
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cweiske what do you do with target URLs?
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cweiske allow links to #heading?
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sebsel It would also be nice to add some spam-tests to webmention.rocks, like target==source and source#hash
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sebsel cweiske well I put it in Kirby's Router to find the page, so by then, the hash is gone
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cweiske the solution to fake ?foo source urls would be to use the canonical URL on the source page
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aaronpk Stripping the query string from source URL doesn't sound like a good idea all the time
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voxpelli IP blocking is easily worked around with Amazon Lambda and such :)
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petermolnar xyzwordpress.blog/?p=123 is valid
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aaronpk Yeah that
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cweiske just imagine those dreaded twitter ?utm&... links as source
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petermolnar wheeeee
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cweiske petermolnar, which is why I said canonical
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sebsel :(
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petermolnar meta canonical is not implemented by many
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petermolnar wordpress does it, yes, but not all
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aaronpk there's meta canonical, rel canonical, and microformats URL property
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cweiske and rel=self
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cweiske where was that? push
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aaronpk ah yea
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voxpelli petermolnar: rel-canonical is an SEO best practice so one can always pull the SEO card if someone hasn't implemented that
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voxpelli cweiske: rel=self !== rel=canonical though
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petermolnar then again, my suggestion: disable selfpings on the domain level and verify if the remote source has the target AND it's mf2 marked up AND it's within some of the known "u-" classes
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cweiske I know, https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/68
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Loqi [cweiske] #68 Replace rel=self with rel=canonical
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voxpelli can't remember the exact distinction of rel=self though, but it's there if one reads closely
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aaronpk cooks up a scheme to make a legit site use ?utm_campaign=xxxx the way the CMS chooses which page to render
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voxpelli petermolnar: self-pings on domain level is very useful
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petermolnar for which use cases?
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aaronpk I reply to my own posts all the time
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cweiske so that I don't have to build the "more posts on this topic" list myself
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voxpelli petermolnar: when you eg. make a series of posts and links to the former post on that series or for some other reason make a follow up for yourself
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cweiske or "related topics"
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petermolnar #useatag
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cweiske s/topics/posts
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/21/26/habanero-sauce
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Attempting an Instant Pot hot sauce recipe tonight! • 2 cups cherry tomatoes • 2 carrots • 1 small onion • 1.5 cups habaneros • 4 cloves garlic • 1 cup rice vinegar • 1 cup water • 1/2 cup Mustard • 1/2 tsp xanthan gum...
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voxpelli One can eg. make a Twitter thread kind of UI by doing like Twitter and just sending replies to oneself in a long long row
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aaronpk haha thanks loqi
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voxpelli Loq++
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voxpelli Loqi++
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cweiske loq--
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voxpelli can't handle a keyboard today
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aaronpk I posted a new recipe as I was cooking then posted followup note after it was done and I had eaten it
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voxpelli I wonder if KevinMarks live tweeting tool uses threads in any way?
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voxpelli aaronpk: did you use "u-eaten" or something then?
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aaronpk No just a reply
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sebsel I have a lot of that kind of selfmentions too
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aaronpk like followup notes on the recipe
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petermolnar u-consumed
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petermolnar u-devoured
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cweiske not you, me: me-consumed
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petermolnar :D
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aaronpk Oh dear
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voxpelli I added: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/43
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Loqi [voxpelli] #43 Ensure target and source can't be the same page
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voxpelli thinking whether this discussion should actually be in #indieweb-dev
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petermolnar ".... and this is how we renamed all the u- s to me- s: me-liked, me-bookmarked... "
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cweiske did someone write a push-fat-ping2email tool, or do I have to do that myself?
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petermolnar voxpelli the trouble is: no more self-fragmentions
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petermolnar cweiske are you really going through with that?
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cweiske not for webmentions, I need it for websub
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voxpelli cweiske: a tool that just emails whatever weird payload you're getting as a a mime-payload in an email or?
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voxpelli or that parses and formats it?
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cweiske ok. my goal is to get notified by mail or xmpp whenever I'm mentioned in IRC and I'm offline
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voxpelli I'm building a websub to webpush tool that parses the entries, that's different' but not extremely different
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cweiske since my search engine is already indexing every chat line, it should be the one notifying me
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cweiske but I don't want to build email sending into it, I want to register some tool as websub subscriber to my search engine
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cweiske and that tool gets notified by websub from my search engine that i was mentioned
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cweiske so I can plug anything into it
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cweiske email, xmpp, whatever
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cweiske basically a small superfeedr
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aaronpk Nice
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cweiske but built on standards(tm)
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cweiske ok, time to go home
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cweiske bb
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voxpelli cweiske: https://rss-to-web-push.glitch.me/
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voxpelli similar as well
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voxpelli code here: https://github.com/PaulKinlan/rss-to-web-push
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Loqi [PaulKinlan] rss-to-web-push: Pubsubhubbub to Web Push.
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[kevinmarks] Voxpelli - yes noterlive does thread by default. There's a 'break thread' button but it's in the wrong place really
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: do you do any micropub PESOS/POSSE:ing with it as well? I can't remember – because it would be neat to follow such a thread in realtime by following the Salmentions that reaches the first post
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[kevinmarks] Not yet, no. It is a feature request, but I have not yet built it.
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@sl007 @sjockers Moin, wie sieht es denn mit Dir und unserem charmanten workshop aus ? https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim CAMPFIRE ... (twitter.com/_/status/890954613863657474)
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dgold cweiske - you could use some sort of a hook in a persistent irc session - say znc or similar
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dgold e.g. weechat has loads of notification scripts, like http://tinyurl.com/mvdlqzs [ https://weechat.org/scripts/source/highlightxmpp.py.html/ ]
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Is the #Indieweb easy? No, it isn’t. Is it hard? That depends on what you mean by hard. I flailed about when I started this journey, looking for positive answers and simple solutions, and was disheartened when they weren’t there. But I persevered, and I’m glad I did. I have functioning webmentions on my site and I ended up writing my own micropub endpoint. Most importantly, I don’t work in computer programing, so I’d like to knock that strawman down. This is a philosophical quest for me, a form of askesis, and one I’ve enjoyed every moment of." by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-07-27 https://ascraeus.org/micro/1501178407/
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dgold and thus the disjunct between my need for proper typography and interoperability raises its ugly escaped head
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[kevinmarks] If you use the unicode punctuation characters it shouldn't escape them “”
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tantek good morning #indieweb! newsletter day!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An Introduction to the IndieWeb | AltPlatform" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-28 http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb-altplatform/
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@ChrisAldrich An Introduction to the #IndieWeb http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/890968608360157184)
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tantek oooh
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tantek reads
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "An Introduction to the IndieWeb – AltPlatform" http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/28/5/)
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[chrisaldrich] Upvotes on that ^^ in HackerNews are welcome ? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14875357
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Loqi [chrisaldrich] An Introduction to the IndieWeb
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dgold [kevinmarks]: I'm using Hugo's system
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aaronpk HN doesn't count upvotes from direct links, better to navigate to https://news.ycombinator.com/newest and find it there
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dgold [kevinmarks]: you made a hugo theme using tufte's system - can it be changed at theme level, or is it at process level?
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tantek wow also a great post: https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html
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Loqi [Nicolas Hoffmann] Nicolas Hoffmann retweeted this.
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tantek hah
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tantek might need some markup help :)
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tantek builds on drewinthehead and rachelandrewuk's great work, and aaronpk's work on webmention.io!
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tantek https://twitter.com/rachelandrew/status/882224351688482816
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@rachelandrew I had to turn off comments on my recent posts due to them being used as a vector for anonymous abuse. New site will use Web Mentions. (twitter.com/_/status/882224351688482816)
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dgold [kevinmarks]: Hugo uses BlackFriday for those
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tantek [chrisaldrich]++ great post!
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tantek definitely worth posting to the newsletter! http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] An Introduction to the IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Great stuff chrisaldrich
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tantek also just noticed http://altplatform.org/2017/06/30/why-we-should-care-about-open-web/
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Loqi [Emre Sokullu] Why we should all care about Open Web
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tantek great featured image from Indie Map with snarfed at the center :)
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - An Introduction to the IndieWeb http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/890972792933560320)
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@ryf_feed An Introduction to the IndieWeb http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/890973188112437248)
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@SmartBot7 An Introduction to the IndieWeb http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/890973227266195456)
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@sl007 Just In ! Let's learn and talk about the #buildingblocks of #indieweb at https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? @campfire_fest… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/890974025526149120 (twitter.com/_/status/890974025526149120)
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@WorkingWriter "Get started building the internet you’ve always wanted" An Introduction to the IndieWeb http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/890975059128586240)
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[chrisaldrich] I think aaronpk beat me to the bookmark, so that Intro article should show up in the newsletter.
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tantek woohoo!
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aaronpk is fast
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Loqi ?
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[chrisaldrich] thinks that aaronpk is using Loqi like a toadie... "Yesssss master!" ?
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@cleverdevil Introduction to the IndieWeb: http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/890983499611746304)
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tantek sebsel: hmm - is this really true? I haven't heard it called that: https://indieweb.org/Discoverability
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tantek I've heard of the general notion of discovery, which I think we've documented
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tantek what is discovery
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Loqi Discovery for the IndieWeb is a set of algorithms to start with a URL like a home page or post permalink, and determine information about that URL, such as authorship, page-name, and date published https://indieweb.org/discovery
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tantek but not *just* about people
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tantek what is discoverability
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Loqi Discoverability is about finding new people to follow, and getting other people to follow you https://indieweb.org/Discoverability
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sebsel It's a different kind of discovery, or not?
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tantek also why capital "D"?
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tantek no it's included
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sebsel Yeah I wonder about that too now
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tantek "set of algorithms … such as authorship"
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tantek we already have a page about the feature for finding new people to follow
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tantek what is suggested friends
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "suggested friends" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is suggested follow
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Loqi who to follow is a feature on a site that suggests people or other accounts to follow, likely using a recommendation engine https://indieweb.org/suggested_follow
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tantek that's it ^^^
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tantek and it's a specific feature, not an abstract concept
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tantek anyway - unless you saw "discoverability" referred in this way in particular, I don't think we should make that up
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sebsel forgive me for not being native English
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tantek and better to just redirect it to /discovery because it sounds nearly the same (thus confusing if it means something different)
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sebsel I just thought I found something we didn't have
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tantek I didn't see any links to what you found though
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tantek that's why I was confused
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tantek if it's ok with you, I'll make it just redirect to /discovery - and if/when you do find citations of "discovery" or "discoverability" meaning what you found, please add them there?
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sebsel I am okay with that
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sebsel it's shouldn't have a capital either way
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tantek is going through current newsletter draft and looking at new pages
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tantek what is nanopub
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Loqi Nanopub is a micropub endpoint for use in static blog engines, written by Daniel Goldsmith https://indieweb.org/nanopub
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tantek ok that's enough fix up for now. I'll wait for the next newsletter draft to re-review
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@johnjohnston a post false likes An Introduction to the IndieWeb – AltPlatform. What a brilliant post. If you read one ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb-altplatform/ (twitter.com/_/status/890987415111860224)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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tantek huh - wonder if that was from a WordPress plugin misparsing h-entry? p-name?
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tantek the "a post false" is actually in the tweet
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@falcon_autotech Our stand at #IWS2017 was visited by several International visitors, Praising Indigenously built Falcon's Sortation… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/890992900363792384 (twitter.com/_/status/890992900363792384)
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tantek oh hey I should built some of that Sortation
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tantek build*
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tantek what is sortation
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sortation" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a sortation system?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sortation system" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG I subscribed to anomalilys feed after the Summit. She has her check-ins there. I feel like I am following her. I am thinking I need to build a solution for this.
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GWG Time to get to whitewashing the fence
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@schmarty “Make a list of what you use most often on your old social media silos or wish they had and work on that first.” http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/891003251335847936)
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@Johannes_Ernst Nice! An Introduction to the IndieWeb – AltPlatform http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/891011704888246272)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An Introduction to the IndieWeb – AltPlatform" by Stephen Pieper on 2017-07-28 http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb
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Zegnat Anyone seen the logo work that was going on for PWAs? https://medium.com/samsung-internet-dev/we-now-have-a-community-approved-progressive-web-apps-logo-823f212f57c9
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-07-28.html
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tantek well there we go
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tantek no photos from Wellington or Fort Collins?
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Zegnat Fort Collins called quits early, I don’t think any photo was made.
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tantek ah - for Wellington: https://twitter.com/ricmac/status/890145177276436480
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@ricmac The first ever Homebrew Website Club in Wellington, NZ was a bit like this...only @treitnauer & I turned up :) #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFpuT4BWsAAgrIV.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/890145177276436480)
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tantek and https://twitter.com/treitnauer/status/890362051486298113
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@treitnauer @ricmac We forgot to take an official photo but this one captures it perfectly. ? (twitter.com/_/status/890362051486298113)
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tantek and just asked in the FB event for Fort Collins
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked this tweet: ChrisAldrich on Twitter: “An Introduction to the #IndieWeb https://t.co/lC14gMi9Wb“" by Scott Kingery on 2017-07-28 http://techlifeweb.com/16398-2/
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tantek wow https://adactio.com/journal/12606 is impressive
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tantek adactio++
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Posting to my site
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@ricmac This is a brilliant overview of what #IndieWeb is & how to participate -> An Introduction to the IndieWeb http://www.altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/891044090095128580)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @ChrisAldrich" by Scott Kingery on 2017-07-28 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-chrisaldrich-4/
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-07-28.html
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@desparoz A great read on the IndieWeb. ? An Introduction to the IndieWeb — http://altplatform.org/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/891053593872224257)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-07-28.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/891059459732025344/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/891059459732025344)
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[kevinmarks] Can we persuade ej to join the chat?
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[kevinmarks] Is that nick?
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tantek eddie++ nice testimonial https://ascraeus.org/micro/1501178407/
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Loqi replying to a post on www.jeremycherfas.net Is the #Indieweb easy? No, it isn’t. Is it hard? That depends on what you mean by hard. ...
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TheGillies >is the #Indieweb easy? No, it isn’t.
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TheGillies wat
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TheGillies super easy if you use a third party platform like known
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TheGillies unless not-easy == installing software
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[eddie] That was dgold++ by the way ?
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[eddie] dgold++
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tantek can't read sometimes.
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tantek dgold++ :)
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[kevinmarks] dgold: looks like blackfriday is what is injecting ’ etc
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[kevinmarks] which is annoyingly retro
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/russross/blackfriday/blob/master/smartypants.go
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[kevinmarks] comment here: https://github.com/russross/blackfriday/issues/345
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Loqi [mrdomino] #345 UTF-8 output
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tantek utf8++
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[kevinmarks] looks like that aprt fo the code is being actively modified, guillemot support was tweaked yesterday