#indieweb 2017-08-10
2017-08-10 UTC
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "? Universal Sign-In Button" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-10 http://boffosocko.com/2017/08/09/universal-sign-in-button-unicyclic/
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "But just like Facebook has a HUGE cadre of geeky engineers who've been working for more than 10 years to make it work easily enough" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-10 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/but-just-like-facebook-has-a-huge-cadre-of-geeky
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Tomorrow is the first of many DreamHost Website Club meetings! Inspired by Homebrew Website Club, but for our employees to spend company time working on" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-08-10 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/tomorrow-is-the-first-of-many-dreamhost-website-club-meetings
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# jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Morning zegnat
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# petermolnar I was considering putting together examples of h-entry + hentry + schema + dc documents but it's a can of worms
# petermolnar schema, mostly
# petermolnar dc is straightforward, but weirdly documented
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# petermolnar the existance of DC is why schema.org shouldn't be a thing
# jeremycherfas Zegnat: I’m not sure that journalists use DC a lot. I think some of the organisations that publish hjournalism use it. There’s a difference.
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# [kevinmarks] We looked at DC when designing some microformats
# Loqi [kevinmarks]: snarfed left you a message 2 days, 12 hours ago: ^^^ i'd love thoughts on this if you have any! (https://snarfed.org/indieweb-activitypub-bridge )
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "delete-of" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi untag is sending a request to delete a tag-of reply post on someones post https://indieweb.org/untag
# sebsel !tell tantek We discussed delete-of in the context of untag, so it is mentioned there. https://indieweb.org/untag
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# sl007 Hi Zegnat! Yes thankyou ! "I am also not sure why you specifically need mf to handle DC, when DC by itself is perfectly usable. But I am not super into DC, so, *shrug*" because I want do it with class and neither with RDF nor per "page" as in http://wiki.selfhtml.org/wiki/Websemantics/Dublin_Core
# Loqi IndieWebCampDC 2016 is a 2016 IndieWebCamp being planned for Washington DC https://indieweb.org/DC
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DublinCore" yet. Would you like to create it?
# sl007 This a nice overview http://www.adobe.com/products/xmp/standards.html
# Zegnat http://dublincore.org/documents/dc-html/ is the document that applies here. But it is indeed al scoped to a resource and not to part of it.
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# petermolnar sebsel DC is not just web, it's for anything, incl. library catalogues
# petermolnar Zegnat that part of the truth
# petermolnar most of the old, default libs - GD, PIL, etc - doesn't keep metadata when you, for example, resize
# petermolnar anything that uses imagemagick does
# petermolnar sl007 actually I've been planning to make a tool that would use various available deep learning apis to detect the source of an image on the web
# petermolnar but it's harder than I anticipated at first
# petermolnar sl007 the in-image metadata is a rathole to be honest
# petermolnar I spent a lot if time with it, IPTC should never have been created (come on, ASCII only for real????) and XMP was never properly tooled, as in there is no generic tool that can handle (read/write) it well apart from exiftool
# Zegnat There is no reason you can’t start documenting and working on a new microformat for e.g. photographs. You could definitely borrow from DC/IPTC for the property names. I am just trying to see if anyone, anywhere, is already marking up information like this in HTML. And am having a hard time finding it.
# petermolnar sl007++
# petermolnar the only thing exiftool is missing is a cross-platform gui, with that, it could win a lot of photographers who are most probably a little shaky from command line utils
# petermolnar or a lightroom plugin at lest
# sl007 petermolnar - Agreed. Need to work on this fork https://github.com/redaktor/exiftool.js to crack more encrypted makernotes ;)
# petermolnar I made this for wp: https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-extraexif
# petermolnar no, don't fork exiftool
# petermolnar don't reimplement it
# petermolnar Perl is fine, it's cross platform, and exiftool is HUGE
# petermolnar just use it
# Zegnat Basically, I am trying to figure out step 5 and 6 in the mf process: http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Document_Current_Behavior and http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Document_Previous_Formats
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# petermolnar this is usually the reason for projects like this, but you won't be able to keep up with the source, see all the readability reimplementations vs the js one from mozilla
# petermolnar exiftool would make a brilliant shared lib and it's unfortunate it's not like that
# jeremycherfas zegnat, s1007, petermolanar Are you guys familiar with controlledvocabulary.com?
# petermolnar and with perl, you only need the perl interpreter ;)
# jeremycherfas They used to maintain a spreadsheet of, for example, which online storage removed exif (never mind IPTC!) and the people there are very knowledgeable on metadata for images.
# petermolnar I'm not familiar with that jeremycherfas
# jeremycherfas You might find it interesting. When I used to work with a lot of images progessionally I tried to implement some of the ideas about nested hierarchies for tagging etc.
# jeremycherfas And to make sure basic image creator data were in place and correct.
# petermolnar http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/imagedatabases/iptc_naa.html - this is indeed interesting
# jeremycherfas Glad to be of service :)
# sknebel (it's even wikipedias example for RDFa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDFa )
# petermolnar the real trouble is that images are resources on their own, often link on their own, out of context
# petermolnar which makes it necessary to include the information _in_ the image
# petermolnar though I fear someone will come up with the idea of putting json-ld on the iptc description field...
# jeremycherfas Petermolnar: That’s precisely the problem, and why online services that strip metadata are such a bad thing.
# petermolnar jeremycherfas I'm seriously against stripping metadata
# jeremycherfas zegnat: So this is just about making the data about an image machine-readable, not about preventing unauthrised use?
# jeremycherfas Because as soon as you save the image from a page, the HTML on the page is gone.
# petermolnar if it's on the internet, it's near impossible to prevent the latter :)
# petermolnar unless you go drm
# jeremycherfas Petermolnar: Agreed.
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# sl007 Has anybody tried https://solid.mit.edu so far ?
# waynr solid looks interesting
# waynr that web page isn't very concrete about what exactly solid is as far as i can tell
# waynr but this is a little more descriptive: https://github.com/solid/solid-spec
# petermolnar what is text/turtle?
# petermolnar Loqi?
# Loqi Turtle is nothing like XML https://indieweb.org/Turtle
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# petermolnar this is one of the ugliest data formats I've ever seen
# petermolnar this is like xml written in rst
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# waynr scratches head confusedly
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# sl007 sknebel - playing around with https://github.com/o2Labs/etherpad-stream
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# [kevinmarks] Didn't Timbl come to one of the Cambridge iwc's?
# [kevinmarks] Or was it just Socialwg?
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "We had over 30 people across three offices and several remote locations attend the first @DreamHost Website Club! #IndieWeb" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-08-10 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/we-had-over-30-people-across-three-offices-and-several
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# [cleverdevil] Pretty encouraging ?
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# j12t The IndieTech.rocks site now also has a T-Shirt. (I couldn't resist.) http://indietech.rocks/ -- preferably to running around wearing somebody's corporate logo IMHO.
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Syndicating Audio Posts with WNYC's Audiogram Generator" https://martymcgui.re/2017/08/10/180614/
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