#indieweb 2017-08-23

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cweiske
is anyone mirroring github issues to their own server?
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raziellight
Hi
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raziellight
Just saw the webpage seems cool
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KartikPrabhu
welcome raziellight
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raziellight
Thx
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KartikPrabhu
do you already have a personal website or are you exploring the indieweb for now?
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raziellight
Exploring for starters. I made a webpage on geocities back in the day and know how to program so im not starting from scratch
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KartikPrabhu
awesome. feel free to ask questions/give feedback here
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raziellight
Thanks for the welcome
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KartikPrabhu
there are usually more people around during US day hours
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raziellight
I think its really cool. Im into decentralized stuff as well
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raziellight
Theres some decentralized software that like hosts webpages on the internet. Forget the name
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raziellight
But it had that indie geocities feel to it as well
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raziellight
Everyone just trying out making little websites. Its awesome
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KartikPrabhu
yes, I like that independence too, though I don't really understand the whole "decentralised" stuff
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raziellight
Its the same idea of indie web. Not putting content into silos so we have control over our content
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KartikPrabhu
yes, that is the one part I understand :)
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raziellight
:)
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KartikPrabhu
raziellight: are you looking to get your own domain and site?
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[kevinmarks]
The broadcast term for hard subs is burnt-in captions
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mblaney
I found out the other day that Facebook now tells people I'm POSSE'ing via bridgy.... has anyone else noticed this?
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cweiske
screenshot?
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mblaney
it has a little link labelled Bridgy in my post, that takes you to apps.facebook.com, and then iframe's https://brid.gy
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KartikPrabhu
aah so it is a FB app/api thing
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mblaney
cweiske: I'll put up a post with a bunch of screenshots.
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raziellight
Kartik eventually i want to share a language organization project ive been working on for a really long time
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raziellight
Right now im working on software that can handle the data type which can also be used for better management of files
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raziellight
Or bookmarks or what have you
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KartikPrabhu
raziellight: you might be interested in microformats2 and https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
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raziellight
Thanks let me take a look
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KartikPrabhu
raziellight: I use a microformats2-based file storage on my own site
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raziellight
Hmm what is it?
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KartikPrabhu
what is microformats?
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Loqi
microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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KartikPrabhu
what is file-storage?
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Loqi
File Storage is the practice of storing main (primary) site content in flat files in a filesystem https://indieweb.org/file-storage
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KartikPrabhu
raziellight: there you go ^ Loqi the helpful bot!
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raziellight
Thx
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KartikPrabhu
basically, I store all my posts as HTML with microformats markup in files
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cweiske
I have the feeling that a newbie is introduced into a sect
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: I only suggested "further reading" ;)
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Loqi
[Malcolm Blaney] facebook iframing https://unicyclic.com/mal/public/fb_1.png
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KartikPrabhu
mblaney: seems like facebook finally caught up to my "via Bridgy" idea ;)
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mblaney
what's the idea KartikPrabhu? just attribution?
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Loqi
[Vaibhhav Sinha] Vaibhhav Sinha replied on Google+ with Nice post. I was rather pleased with the examples you threw at the...
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KartikPrabhu
the link to Bridgy-copy seems to fail now for some reason
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KartikPrabhu
maybe I should link it to Bridgy homepage :P
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KartikPrabhu
after responses received from Bridgy I add a "via Bridgy" with the "Bridgy" linking to the Bridgy copy (ideally)
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mblaney
aah I see. I like the idea that if bridgy is just a bridge, then it can be transparent and just point to either side.
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mblaney
(no offence to bridgy)
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KartikPrabhu
bridgy is a bridge! that's why it is a punny name ;)
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mblaney
yes I understand :-P but if you (or facebook) tell people I'm using a bridge then it removes part of the magic.
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KartikPrabhu
it is ok if we know how magic works :P
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mblaney
it's ok if we know, but somebody else reading my post on facebook isn't meant to know! otherwise it's not magic any more :-)
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KartikPrabhu
mblaney: maybe it will inspire them toask you about it and they'll come over o the indieweb side
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mblaney
yes that is the benefit of me losing my magic trick ;-)
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KartikPrabhu
I refer you to Penn & Teller
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j4y_funabashi
morning all
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[colinwalker]
Morning
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Loqi
good morning!
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raziellight
So once your html has microformat markup what can you do with it
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cweiske
use a lib to extract those data from the files
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raziellight
ic
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raziellight
Its an interesting idea ill have to ponder on it a bit in relation to my own project
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raziellight
Holy cow it just hit me the power of this for a bookmarking app
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raziellight
But i guess people would have to use the microformat hmm
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KartikPrabhu
raziellight: the app could use the microformat
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raziellight
Ya but wouldnt people all have to mark up their code
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raziellight
Well there are tagging microformats in the wild hmm
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KartikPrabhu
raziellight: maybe this is a better discussion on the #microformats channel
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raziellight
Thx for the link this is def interesting to me
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raziellight
Maybe!
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raziellight
Ill join
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@sl007
@ZappMM und danach: Alle anmelden zum Workshop https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund 🔥 beim CAMPFIRE Festival für Journalismus ...
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas
!Tell schmarty Very cool, and the subtle BBC branding can’t hurt either :) Presumably you actually had to type the captions.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas
!Tell ruxton Good to see another Reaper user. I don’t use it too much for video (because at the moment I’m not soing much video) but in the past I found subtitling relatively easy. My favorite tool though remains Jubler.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty
Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi
schmarty: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 hour, 18 minutes ago: Very cool, and the subtle BBC branding can’t hurt either :) Presumably you actually had to type the captions.
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schmarty
jeremycherfas: thanks! Removing the BBC watermark is on my todo list. BBC's fork of Audiogram added a lot of features that work only for their infrastructure...
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb!
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schmarty
o/ Zegnat!
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Zegnat
Everyone is coming to tonight’s virtual HWC right?! :D
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GWG
It isn't tonight for me
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Zegnat
Alright, T-2:30 virtual HWC then
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@kevinmarks
what the #hashtag10 twitter PR push misses is that they work because they aren't bound to one silo, but can be used across the web
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jeremycherfas
Hello zegnat
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Zegnat
How is the IndieWeb treating you today jeremycherfas? :)
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jeremycherfas
Not too bad, thanks zegnat. But that may be because I am not doing anything with it today. :)
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Zegnat
1 hour until Virtual Homebrew Website Club is live at https://appear.in/hwc - come join us!
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-08-23 5:30pm CEST (#6074)
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@martijnvdven
Join the virtual Homebrew Website Club! Planning to talk @micropubrocks, #hwc organising, and general #indieweb. https://licit.li/59981d7097e88
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@martijnvdven
I wish for a way to get @indiewebcamp, @IndieWebCampUK, @IndieWebCampDE, et al. to retweet and spread the word on Homebrew Website Clubs.
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aaronpk
->meta
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[barryf]
Hey aaronpk I've started using webmention.io for the London HWC RSVPs. Last meeting's RSVPs were received but new ones aren't showing up either on the site or on the dashboard. Would you mind helping debug? Target = https://hwclondon.co.uk/20170823
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Loqi
23 August 2017 HWC London meeting
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aaronpk
sure, in #indieweb-meta
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Loqi
Virtual Homebrew Website Club is live at https://appear.in/hwc - come join us!
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Loqi
Countdown set by Zegnat on 2017-08-23 at 4:30pm CEST
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sknebel
Zegnat: retry a few times...
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Zegnat
I am now at Virtual HWC by tethering the 4G from my phone to the appear.in iPad app. Because that’s the only stable connection I was able to get
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@martijnvdven
@raretrack we are talking onboarding to #indieweb, and your article just came up again! You think you can join us? https://appear.in/hwc
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sketchess
Good morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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sknebel
heh, I see the full link in Zegnats message. the wonders of IRC
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sknebel
and I was scrolled back, that happened days ago
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sknebel
ignore
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sketchess
Any further plans for today sknebel?
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sknebel
right now, mostly finding something to eat and then sleep
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sketchess
Enjoy your meal and sleep.
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Zegnat
Hi raretrack! Your blogpost was a good conversation starter at the meetup!
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raretrack
Glad to hear it, Zegnat, sorry I couldn't get home in time to join in
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tantek
good day #indieweb
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snarfed
hi tantek!
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Zegnat
Too bad raretrack, but there is always next time! :D
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Zegnat
jeremycherfas and chrisaldrich had really good things to say on writing content, and sketchess had some great guiding questions from a beginner point of view.
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tantek
Zegnat, look forward to seeing any notes from the meetup!
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raretrack
will it be posted online so i can catch up?
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Zegnat
(*cough*did anyone take notes?*cough*)
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Zegnat
raretrack, afraid not, we don’t have recording set-up for the virtual HWC :(
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tantek
Zegnat, perhaps braindump your memory of key points?
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Zegnat
Have some work to finish up, but might do that.
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Loqi
[Jeremy Cherfas] I've been thinking about Rob's post and your notes on vHWC, and I agree that swapping the quiet writing hour for a question session makes a lot of sense. I've certainly learned a lot and look forward to the meetings. One thing I'd like to suggest ...
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sketchess
Oh it is not hard to catch the topics out of my head.
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sketchess
If you wanna put it somewhere, Zegnat, raretrack....
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sketchess
Was a really good HWC. :)
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[jeremycherfas]
I can't do anything this evening but happy to edit if needed tomorrow.
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sketchess
Yeah just ping me guys, if not today.... the information isn't going anywhere else. ;)
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tantek
sketchess feel free to write a blog post summary if you like!
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tantek
don't wait for pinging or any other prompting - go ahead and blog it!
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sketchess
Hahaha, I do not have such tantek.
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Loqi
nice
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sketchess
I even have to learn first how to pull something together in mediawiki. And my website is no option either.
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sketchess
So it seems head or nothing...
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tantek
sketchess write wherever you can, feel free to even write here in IRC
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sketchess
Yeah the chatlog. It would be archived.
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sketchess
meta?
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[chrisaldrich]
sketchess, you've got enough of a site you could post it even temporarily and one of us would be happy to post it to the wiki on your behalf if you like.
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sketchess
writing on meta logs, fastest and easiest...
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sketchess
now excuse me I have to let the film play again in my head ;)
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raretrack
posterity will thank you :)
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tantek
what is silo purge
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "silo purge" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10rt
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tantek
do we have a page to document this kind of phenomenon?
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tantek
Loqi, do you know how to parse archive org links of tweets?
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gRegorLove
Not sure. Back in the xanga days I remember someone set up a script to slowly (maybe daily?) delete an old post, until his entire xanga was gone.
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Loqi
[krisshaffer] This is why the #IndieWeb and projects like Domain of One's Own are so important. https://twitter.com/krisshaffer/status/705487626963390465
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tantek
ok now I'm confused, why the two different tweet ids?!?
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aaronpk
Is one a RT?
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tantek
archive org shows the 2016-03-03 timestamp, looked in chat archives for that day, and found the *other* tweet id. what?
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aaronpk
Weird!
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raretrack
i wish you could do the same thing with facebook. i tend to delete all my posts over a year old, but doing it manually one at a time is a real chore!
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[chrisaldrich]
Kris Shaffer has some good indieweb related posts on his blog, though not all are actually tagged or categorized as such.
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raretrack
cool thanks, i didn't realise there was an extension for that
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[chrisaldrich]
some of his related posts are highlighted on /Indieweb_for_Education
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gRegorLove
Did Kris Shaffer move off Medium too?
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sketchess
So I hope I have written well enough. Overall summary has been dropped.
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sketchess
I do not think that talk about weather or such is of any interest. ;)
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raretrack
i believe my country is renowned for talking about the weather ;)
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sketchess
Yeah might be, but nothing Indieweb relevant, raretrack. Thihihi. And on showing my test page around, well you haven't missed anything. Really.
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sketchess
The questions about Wordpress or Known and their Plug-ins, well I am not into CMSs. I do not know or understand a thing about it.
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sketchess
Ok I think I will call it a day and jump out. Sweet dreams and a good morning everyone. Baba.
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tantek
sketchess++ thank you!
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Loqi
sketchess has 3 karma
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sketchess
:)
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@andigalpern
@martiromances @Google I agree that we should step up and own our own content and personal brands. #indieweb
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "@AneliseHShrout You can find the IRC/Slack/etc details here: http://indieweb.org/discuss (#Known on freenode) or archived with search https://chat.indieweb.org/. Some Known users are also frequently in the" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-23 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/anelisehshrout-you-can-find-the-ircslacketc-details-here-discuss-known
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@jkphl
Updated my #IndieEvents list w/ @indiewebcamp Berlin & #a11yclub #6 w/ @heydonworks, both in November b4 @btconf 👉 https://jkphl.is/events/
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tantek
hey remember all those times I kept going on and on about SMS being insecure for auth / 2FA / ACCOUNT RECOVERY ETC.? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html
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tantek
SMS--
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Loqi
sms has -1 karma in this channel (-2 overall)
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tantek
what is what is SMS?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "what is SMS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ru
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tantek
what is SMS?
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Loqi
messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/SMS
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tantek
what is bitcoin
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Loqi
bitcoin is something that does not actually exist, what does exist is a 2-bits coin, AKA a quarter, worth 25¢ https://indieweb.org/bitcoin
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tantek
what is coinbase
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "coinbase" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10rv
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tantek
ok nevermind
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waynr
what is taters precious
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waynr
what is taters?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "taters" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10rw
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tantek
hello from HWC SF!
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tantek
(quiet writing hour)
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tantek
four of us here now in SF, regrets from benwerd and a couple of other folks
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tantek
and Grant Richmond makes 5!
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Loqi
[Grant Richmond] Is going to an event: http://tantek.com/2017/235/e1/homebrew-website-club ...
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tantek
and Megan too
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tantek
that's everyone that's RSVPd YES either indie or FB - except benwerd who is a bit under the weather and we are sorry to miss
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tantek
Grant came here all the way from Scotland!
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tantek
his website is grant.codes
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tantek
last thing he fixed is RSVP
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tantek
he got RSVPs working with his face now!
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tantek
so it shows up as the most recent RSVP here: http://tantek.com/2017/235/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club SF
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tantek
(ed note: and now I need to get my displayed RSVPs linking directly to RSVP permalink URLs!)
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Loqi
Grant Richmond
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tantek
shows where he is
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tantek
he has an app on his phone that sends mqtt to his site via micropub
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tantek
whenever you use a map
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[grantcodes]
Tatek added support for "attending event" posts
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tantek
Evan up ntext
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tantek
he's an electronic music producer
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tantek
he is showing his indie site chipperswitch.com
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tantek
(aside: the "attending" RSVP that I demo'd http://tantek.com/2017/228/t1/attending-august-yimby-meeting )
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] attending August YIMBY Party Meeting. Talk of SF districts housing developments, city/state proposals. Links: * https://yimbyaction.org/ (@yimbyaction) * http://www.sfyimby.org/ (@SFyimby) * http://yimby.wiki/wiki/Frequently_asked_questions
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tantek
he used CSS grid layout to improve the presentation of his site
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tantek
really enjoying CSS grid layout. would love to learn more
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tantek
(describes a layout challenge he is having)
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tantek
next up Emre
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tantek
who started BarCamp Istanbul back in the day (over 10 years ago)
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tantek
demoing phonetworks.org
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tantek
it lets you create "Graph Apps"
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tantek
instead of using MVC, it uses remote edge architecture to build social apps
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tantek
based on Redis instead of MySQL or other database
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tantek
reasoning is that it makes it much faster, but very expensive, because the whole thing is hosted in RAM
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tantek
just launched it a few days ago
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tantek
instead of MVC, it uses GraphQL, which is a FB invention - an attempt to replace REST APIs
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Loqi
Emre Sokullu
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tantek
can be used to create APIs similar to existing APIs
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tantek
early version of a framework - for developers to build stuff
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tantek
purpose is that developers would be able to prototype their apps much more quickly
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tantek
maybe even get actual products out
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tantek
similar to Parse did
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tantek
what was Parse?
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Loqi
Parse was a mobile backend as a service company that was acquired by Facebook in 2013, who subsequently shut down the service 2017-01-28, yet Parse still released their software as open source, including SDKs, libraries, and their Parse Server, so you can setup and manage your own mobile backend as a service, which is what you had to do before Parse https://indieweb.org/Parse
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tantek
Pho networks is graph based instead of databased based (which is what Parse was)
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tantek
(brief conversation about nodes and edges and users and actions, both being entities etc.)
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tantek
tantek: has someone built a UI out of this yet?
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tantek
emre: not yet.
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tantek
tantek: could you make a home page out of this?
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tantek
emre: you could
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tantek
tantek: take a look at how you could build your own home page doing this!
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tantek
s/doing/with
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tantek
evan: this is kinda like if you wanted to build your own social media website, this is all the plumbing?
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tantek
emre: yeah
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tantek
emre: visiting from Sparks, just moved from the bay area
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tantek
ben: I need recommendations for an IndieWeb instagram clone like thing. get going locally, then clone it to Instagram
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tantek
ben: I keep getting into the nerd trap of building the thing to build the thing, then looking for a library for ... etc.
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tantek
grant: I've seen CMSs for profession photographers
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tantek
ben: I could just install WordPress
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tantek
emre: we're using WordPress on altplatform.org
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tantek
... with plugins for sharing content
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tantek
Brian Jesse's github repo
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tantek
ben: like where do you put the images?
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tantek
... like 3 MB images? git repo? if you're serving that, you want to scale them down for use-cases etc.
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tantek
... text is way easier to manipulate
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tantek
tantek: I have a challenge of writing long blog posts
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tantek
... like this current one I have almost 5600 words
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tantek
grant: one guy just posts incremental posts
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tantek
welcome EmreSokullu !
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tantek
evan: would be cool to see it updated live like a Google Doc!
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tantek
ben: that would get me to finish it - knowing that people are seeing it
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EmreSokullu
https://github.com/myphotolinks/myphotolinks -- this is the plugin we've just talked about; it's for sharing photos privately using wordpress.
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Loqi
[myphotolinks] myphotolinks: WordPress plug-in that emails out auto-login links for private posts, and notifies on email-click
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EmreSokullu++
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Grant took a photo of us outside with his real camera and gorillapod tripod
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and we're done for the night here at HWC SF!
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good evening #indieweb
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hoo boy schmarty has a 1.5MB inline data: image on https://martymcgui.re/2017/08/23/201714/ 😂
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[Marty McGuire] HWC Baltimore 2017-08-23 Wrap-Up
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schmarty++ for https://martymcgui.re/2017/08/19/140447/ great job with new User page intros and the whole podcast!
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[Marty McGuire] This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • August 12th - 18th, 2017
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