#indieweb 2017-08-23

2017-08-23 UTC
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[miklb] those look sweet. I really like Audiogram.
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schmarty Thanks, miklb. Me, too. Today I learned that BBC forked it and added a ton of features. https://github.com/BBC-News-Labs/audiogram
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Loqi [BBC-News-Labs] audiogram: Builds upon the WYNC audiogram project, which was created to share audio content as mp4 on social media platforms
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schmarty I think I can use it to bake in captions, but need to reverse engineer the API for their "in-house" machine transcription service to make it work with tools I have available.
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[miklb] very cool
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[miklb] so I’ve pretty much decided to separate out my “posts” on two different topics into their own blog/site and have my main domain just be a firehose with reposts of the blog posts. Unless someone talks me out of it ?
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aaronpk [miklb]: that sounds kind of neat :-)
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[miklb] thanks. I kinda want to have my original domain be more of a life tracking/stream of conscious site and separate out tech related posts to a new site, then have my food related thoughts on another. I’ve been holding off on posting on the food subject because didn’t want to mix w/my politics.
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schmarty haha, subtitling success! https://media.martymcgui.re/2e/2e/9a/9d/baca2b171c296ee26c3147521df9d876d8cc1806e6543930889539bd.mp4
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Loqi nice
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schmarty i have some tweaks to make, but am excited about the possibility of making these interview teasers look really nice. :}
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Ruxton schmarty: you can subtitle audio tags very similarly if all you're doing is presenting a static image in the background
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Ruxton ohh wait, they're hard subs
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schmarty Ruxton: I've only seen examples of that work with video tags, using source tags inside.
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schmarty I want to practice with several ways of doing this, so any examples are appreciated
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schmarty Hard subs work the best for POSSE, I think
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Ruxton it works in audio tags too, though there was some bugs last year in FF with exact timing issues (millisecond timing problems) that I wrote some fixes for
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Ruxton not sure how subs in the mp4 container works in video tag, but that might be a better option too?
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schmarty In this case, the tooling to make hard subs was more easily set up than any for generating webvtt files for source tags or srt for in-container soft subs :)
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schmarty Extra bonus that hard subs work on Twitter, which currently supports no other format
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Ruxton this is something I was working over a year ago, a lyric player tied to WebVTT subtitles - http://mirror.rhythmandpoetry.net/song-test/
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gRegorLove What's hard subs?
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Ruxton hard subs are subtitles that are just part of the video stream
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Ruxton like, they are on the actual video, you can't turn them on, off or benefit from their textual representation
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Ruxton schmarty's video above is hard-subbed
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schmarty I think I've also seen them referred to as open captioning
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Ruxton yeap
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schmarty I like the lyric player very much. Thanks for the share! I have been pondering all these options and more as ways of making the audio newsletter more accessible and engaging
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Ruxton I have some good tooling setup to write the subtitles in Reaper (my audio workstation) too
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schmarty I I have very little experience with tooling as yet. I've been using the script that I read, along with a "forced alignment" tool called Gentle to find the word timings. I was able to use that tonight for the first time with the BBC fork of Audiogram
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schmarty It's neat stuff! I've stayed up past my bedtime playing with it tonight, though. :)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Packing day four: Johnny Walker Black 12" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-22 http://boffosocko.com/2017/08/22/packing-day-four-johnny-walker-black-12/
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cweiske is anyone mirroring github issues to their own server?
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raziellight Hi
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KartikPrabhu hello
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raziellight Just saw the webpage seems cool
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KartikPrabhu welcome raziellight
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raziellight Thx
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KartikPrabhu do you already have a personal website or are you exploring the indieweb for now?
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raziellight Exploring for starters. I made a webpage on geocities back in the day and know how to program so im not starting from scratch
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KartikPrabhu awesome. feel free to ask questions/give feedback here
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raziellight Thanks for the welcome
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KartikPrabhu there are usually more people around during US day hours
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raziellight I think its really cool. Im into decentralized stuff as well
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raziellight Theres some decentralized software that like hosts webpages on the internet. Forget the name
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raziellight But it had that indie geocities feel to it as well
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raziellight Everyone just trying out making little websites. Its awesome
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KartikPrabhu yes, I like that independence too, though I don't really understand the whole "decentralised" stuff
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raziellight Its the same idea of indie web. Not putting content into silos so we have control over our content
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KartikPrabhu yes, that is the one part I understand :)
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raziellight :)
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KartikPrabhu raziellight: are you looking to get your own domain and site?
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[kevinmarks] The broadcast term for hard subs is burnt-in captions
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mblaney I found out the other day that Facebook now tells people I'm POSSE'ing via bridgy.... has anyone else noticed this?
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cweiske screenshot?
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mblaney it has a little link labelled Bridgy in my post, that takes you to apps.facebook.com, and then iframe's https://brid.gy
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KartikPrabhu aah so it is a FB app/api thing
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mblaney cweiske: I'll put up a post with a bunch of screenshots.
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raziellight Kartik eventually i want to share a language organization project ive been working on for a really long time
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raziellight Right now im working on software that can handle the data type which can also be used for better management of files
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raziellight Or bookmarks or what have you
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KartikPrabhu raziellight: you might be interested in microformats2 and https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Post Type Discovery
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raziellight Thanks let me take a look
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KartikPrabhu raziellight: I use a microformats2-based file storage on my own site
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raziellight Hmm what is it?
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KartikPrabhu what is microformats?
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Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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KartikPrabhu what is file-storage?
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Loqi File Storage is the practice of storing main (primary) site content in flat files in a filesystem https://indieweb.org/file-storage
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KartikPrabhu raziellight: there you go ^ Loqi the helpful bot!
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raziellight Thx
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KartikPrabhu basically, I store all my posts as HTML with microformats markup in files
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cweiske I have the feeling that a newbie is introduced into a sect
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: I only suggested "further reading" ;)
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mblaney cweiske: screen shots are here https://unicyclic.com/mal/2017-08-23-facebook_iframing
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Loqi [Malcolm Blaney] facebook iframing https://unicyclic.com/mal/public/fb_1.png
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cweiske thx
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: seems like facebook finally caught up to my "via Bridgy" idea ;)
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mblaney what's the idea KartikPrabhu? just attribution?
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: see https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/science-in-science-fiction#httpsplusgooglecom117114060857732496623postsdvt9pts1hrt
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Loqi [Vaibhhav Sinha] Vaibhhav Sinha replied on Google+ with Nice post. I was rather pleased with the examples you threw at the...
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KartikPrabhu the link to Bridgy-copy seems to fail now for some reason
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KartikPrabhu maybe I should link it to Bridgy homepage :P
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KartikPrabhu after responses received from Bridgy I add a "via Bridgy" with the "Bridgy" linking to the Bridgy copy (ideally)
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mblaney aah I see. I like the idea that if bridgy is just a bridge, then it can be transparent and just point to either side.
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mblaney (no offence to bridgy)
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KartikPrabhu bridgy is a bridge! that's why it is a punny name ;)
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mblaney yes I understand :-P but if you (or facebook) tell people I'm using a bridge then it removes part of the magic.
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KartikPrabhu it is ok if we know how magic works :P
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mblaney it's ok if we know, but somebody else reading my post on facebook isn't meant to know! otherwise it's not magic any more :-)
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: maybe it will inspire them toask you about it and they'll come over o the indieweb side
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mblaney yes that is the benefit of me losing my magic trick ;-)
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KartikPrabhu I refer you to Penn & Teller
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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[colinwalker] Morning
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Loqi good morning!
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raziellight So once your html has microformat markup what can you do with it
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cweiske use a lib to extract those data from the files
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raziellight ic
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raziellight Its an interesting idea ill have to ponder on it a bit in relation to my own project
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raziellight Holy cow it just hit me the power of this for a bookmarking app
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raziellight But i guess people would have to use the microformat hmm
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KartikPrabhu raziellight: the app could use the microformat
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raziellight Ya but wouldnt people all have to mark up their code
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raziellight Well there are tagging microformats in the wild hmm
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KartikPrabhu raziellight: maybe this is a better discussion on the #microformats channel
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raziellight Thx for the link this is def interesting to me
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raziellight Maybe!
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raziellight Ill join
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@sl007 @ZappMM und danach: Alle anmelden zum Workshop https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim CAMPFIRE Festival für Journalismus ... (twitter.com/_/status/900298168490962945)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas !Tell schmarty Very cool, and the subtle BBC branding can’t hurt either :) Presumably you actually had to type the captions.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !Tell ruxton Good to see another Reaper user. I don’t use it too much for video (because at the moment I’m not soing much video) but in the past I found subtitling relatively easy. My favorite tool though remains Jubler.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi schmarty: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 hour, 18 minutes ago: Very cool, and the subtle BBC branding can’t hurt either :) Presumably you actually had to type the captions.
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schmarty jeremycherfas: thanks! Removing the BBC watermark is on my todo list. BBC's fork of Audiogram added a lot of features that work only for their infrastructure...
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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schmarty o/ Zegnat!
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Zegnat Everyone is coming to tonight’s virtual HWC right?! :D
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GWG It isn't tonight for me
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Zegnat Alright, T-2:30 virtual HWC then
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/900338365391699970
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@kevinmarks what the #hashtag10 twitter PR push misses is that they work because they aren't bound to one silo, but can be used across the web (twitter.com/_/status/900338365391699970)
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jeremycherfas Hello zegnat
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Zegnat How is the IndieWeb treating you today jeremycherfas? :)
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jeremycherfas Not too bad, thanks zegnat. But that may be because I am not doing anything with it today. :)
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Zegnat 1 hour until Virtual Homebrew Website Club is live at https://appear.in/hwc - come join us!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-08-23 5:30pm CEST (#6074)
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@martijnvdven Join the virtual Homebrew Website Club! Planning to talk @micropubrocks, #hwc organising, and general #indieweb. https://licit.li/59981d7097e88 (twitter.com/_/status/900367510385577985)
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@martijnvdven I wish for a way to get @indiewebcamp, @IndieWebCampUK, @IndieWebCampDE, et al. to retweet and spread the word on Homebrew Website Clubs. (twitter.com/_/status/900368755808583681)
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aaronpk ->meta
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[barryf] Hey aaronpk I've started using webmention.io for the London HWC RSVPs. Last meeting's RSVPs were received but new ones aren't showing up either on the site or on the dashboard. Would you mind helping debug? Target = https://hwclondon.co.uk/20170823
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Loqi 23 August 2017 HWC London meeting
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aaronpk sure, in #indieweb-meta
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Loqi Virtual Homebrew Website Club is live at https://appear.in/hwc - come join us!
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Loqi Countdown set by Zegnat on 2017-08-23 at 4:30pm CEST
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sknebel Zegnat: retry a few times...
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Zegnat I am now at Virtual HWC by tethering the 4G from my phone to the appear.in iPad app. Because that’s the only stable connection I was able to get
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@martijnvdven @raretrack we are talking onboarding to #indieweb, and your article just came up again! You think you can join us? https://appear.in/hwc (twitter.com/_/status/900388460992876544)
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sketchess Good morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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sknebel heh, I see the full link in Zegnats message. the wonders of IRC
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sknebel wops
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sknebel and I was scrolled back, that happened days ago
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sknebel ignore
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sketchess Any further plans for today sknebel?
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sknebel right now, mostly finding something to eat and then sleep
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sketchess Enjoy your meal and sleep.
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Zegnat Hi raretrack! Your blogpost was a good conversation starter at the meetup!
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raretrack Glad to hear it, Zegnat, sorry I couldn't get home in time to join in
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tantek good day #indieweb
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snarfed hi tantek!
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Zegnat Too bad raretrack, but there is always next time! :D
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Zegnat jeremycherfas and chrisaldrich had really good things to say on writing content, and sketchess had some great guiding questions from a beginner point of view.
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raretrack yep :)
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tantek Zegnat, look forward to seeing any notes from the meetup!
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raretrack will it be posted online so i can catch up?
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Zegnat (*cough*did anyone take notes?*cough*)
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Zegnat raretrack, afraid not, we don’t have recording set-up for the virtual HWC :(
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tantek Zegnat, perhaps braindump your memory of key points?
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Zegnat Have some work to finish up, but might do that.
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Zegnat We discussed things like this: http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/ive-been-thinking-about-robs-post-and-your-notes-on
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] I've been thinking about Rob's post and your notes on vHWC, and I agree that swapping the quiet writing hour for a question session makes a lot of sense. I've certainly learned a lot and look forward to the meetings. One thing I'd like to suggest ...
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sketchess Oh it is not hard to catch the topics out of my head.
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sketchess If you wanna put it somewhere, Zegnat, raretrack....
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sketchess Was a really good HWC. :)
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[jeremycherfas] I can't do anything this evening but happy to edit if needed tomorrow.
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sketchess Yeah just ping me guys, if not today.... the information isn't going anywhere else. ;)
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tantek sketchess feel free to write a blog post summary if you like!
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tantek don't wait for pinging or any other prompting - go ahead and blog it!
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sketchess Hahaha, I do not have such tantek.
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Loqi nice
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sketchess I even have to learn first how to pull something together in mediawiki. And my website is no option either.
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sketchess So it seems head or nothing...
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tantek sketchess write wherever you can, feel free to even write here in IRC
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sketchess Yeah the chatlog. It would be archived.
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sketchess meta?
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tantek yes!
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[chrisaldrich] sketchess, you've got enough of a site you could post it even temporarily and one of us would be happy to post it to the wiki on your behalf if you like.
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sketchess writing on meta logs, fastest and easiest...
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sketchess now excuse me I have to let the film play again in my head ;)
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raretrack posterity will thank you :)
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tantek whoa: https://twitter.com/krisshaffer/status/893473665546952704
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@krisshaffer I deleted my tweets. Here's why (and how). #digped http://pushpullfork.com/2017/02/i-deleted-tweets/ (twitter.com/_/status/893473665546952704)
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tantek what is silo purge
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "silo purge" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek do we have a page to document this kind of phenomenon?
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tantek the deleted tweet that triggered this dive: https://web.archive.org/web/20160828235033/https://twitter.com/krisshaffer/status/705487811848347648
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tantek Loqi, do you know how to parse archive org links of tweets?
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gRegorLove Not sure. Back in the xanga days I remember someone set up a script to slowly (maybe daily?) delete an old post, until his entire xanga was gone.
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tantek and thanks to Loqi and chat archives: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-03-03/1457036376835000
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Loqi [krisshaffer] This is why the #IndieWeb and projects like Domain of One's Own are so important. https://twitter.com/krisshaffer/status/705487626963390465
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tantek ok now I'm confused, why the two different tweet ids?!?
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aaronpk Is one a RT?
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tantek archive org shows the 2016-03-03 timestamp, looked in chat archives for that day, and found the *other* tweet id. what?
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aaronpk Weird!
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raretrack i wish you could do the same thing with facebook. i tend to delete all my posts over a year old, but doing it manually one at a time is a real chore!
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snarfed raretrack: google finds plenty of ways, e.g. https://thenextweb.com/facebook/2016/07/28/facebook-remove-old-posts/
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[chrisaldrich] Kris Shaffer has some good indieweb related posts on his blog, though not all are actually tagged or categorized as such.
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raretrack cool thanks, i didn't realise there was an extension for that
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[chrisaldrich] some of his related posts are highlighted on /Indieweb_for_Education
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gRegorLove Did Kris Shaffer move off Medium too?
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sketchess So I hope I have written well enough. Overall summary has been dropped.
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sketchess I do not think that talk about weather or such is of any interest. ;)
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raretrack i believe my country is renowned for talking about the weather ;)
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sketchess Yeah might be, but nothing Indieweb relevant, raretrack. Thihihi. And on showing my test page around, well you haven't missed anything. Really.
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sketchess The questions about Wordpress or Known and their Plug-ins, well I am not into CMSs. I do not know or understand a thing about it.
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sketchess Ok I think I will call it a day and jump out. Sweet dreams and a good morning everyone. Baba.
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tantek sketchess++ thank you!
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Loqi sketchess has 3 karma
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sketchess :)
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@andigalpern @martiromances @Google I agree that we should step up and own our own content and personal brands. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/900460097830232064)
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@ChrisAldrich @AneliseHShrout You can find the IRC/Slack/etc details here: http://indieweb.org/discuss (#Known on freenode) or… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/anelisehshrout-you-can-find-the-ircslacketc-details-here-discuss-known (twitter.com/_/status/900473314648489990)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@AneliseHShrout You can find the IRC/Slack/etc details here: http://indieweb.org/discuss (#Known on freenode) or archived with search https://chat.indieweb.org/. Some Known users are also frequently in the" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-23 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/anelisehshrout-you-can-find-the-ircslacketc-details-here-discuss-known
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aaronpk Instagram << https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/link-in-bio/537624/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/link-in-bio/537624/" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram
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@jkphl Updated my #IndieEvents list w/ @indiewebcamp Berlin & #a11yclub #6 w/ @heydonworks, both in November b4 @btconf ? https://jkphl.is/events/ (twitter.com/_/status/900478884767989761)
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tantek hey remember all those times I kept going on and on about SMS being insecure for auth / 2FA / ACCOUNT RECOVERY ETC.? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/business/dealbook/phone-hack-bitcoin-virtual-currency.html
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tantek SMS--
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Loqi sms has -1 karma in this channel (-2 overall)
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tantek what is what is SMS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "what is SMS" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek oops
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tantek what is SMS?
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Loqi messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/SMS
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[kevinmarks] Re Bitcoin https://twitter.com/alex/status/900392413855834112
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@alex LOL https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH7WIApUIAAhodh.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/900392413855834112)
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tantek what is bitcoin
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Loqi bitcoin is something that does not actually exist, what does exist is a 2-bits coin, AKA a quarter, worth 25¢ https://indieweb.org/bitcoin
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tantek what is coinbase
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coinbase" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek ok nevermind