#indieweb 2017-10-09

2017-10-09 UTC
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sebsel Good morning :)
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jeremycherfas Hi sebsel What's up?
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sebsel Having an easy morning. I was just documenting how Pocket works, because it's nicely integrated into the new Firefox and way easier to use that my own bookmarks. Gotta document, gotta steal UI :)
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cweiske is it open source yet?
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jeremycherfas You prefer FF over Chrome? I'm asking because Safari has frozen five times in the past three days, and I am getting increasingly fed up.
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sebsel cweiske I don't know... I'm less picky on that part. Just using pocket to notice how my own bookmarking strategy could improve
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sebsel jeremycherfas I'm not really comfortable with the Google in Google Chrome, so yes, I do. The new FF 57 beta is quite nice
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jeremycherfas I like Chrome when I use it, but I feel similar to you. Haven't used FF in a long, long time.
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cweiske I want to use firefox because chrome belongs to google, but use chromium at work because it's faster
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cweiske at home I force myself to use firefox
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cweiske even if I have to restart it every couple of days because it gets very very slow
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jeremycherfas Restart FF or restart the whole machine?
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cweiske and I have problems with mozilla forcing things onto users without them wanting them, like pocket, cliqz and the new api
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cweiske restart ff
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cweiske and hello
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jeremycherfas I have a habit, not sure why, of quitting almost everything when I stop for the evening, so that wouldn't be too much of a worry.
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jeremycherfas And hello to you too. I fixed that missing link, by the way. Happens mostly when I am bringing in old posts and haven't quite synched up.
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cweiske are you getting notified on incoming webmentions now?
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cweiske (with "hello" I meant that video conferencing thingy :))
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jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas Yes, I get notifications.
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jeremycherfas At least some of the time.
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amz3 jeremycherfas: hey, why are you using safari on the first pleace? it's an honest question
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amz3 s/pleace/place
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amz3 I read safari javascript is the only one to have Tail Call Optimization so far, but I don't think that's the reason you use it
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jeremycherfas Because the ad-blocking there is quite good. It wasn't bad, in my experience, until recently. Inertia too.
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jeremycherfas The thing I truly hate about it is the inability to show me an RSS feed, and a few things that only work in Chrome, but they're not so bad. I just open Chrome when I want to use those.
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amz3 hmm ok
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@pfefferle @chrisbergr Schick! Ich bin gespannt! Sogar mit Webmentions und POSSE/Syndication! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/917314350469263360)
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rMdes_ my setup regarding chrome/FF/Safari : uBlock instead of adblock variants, feedbro to find & managed feed in the browser
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jjuran uBlock Origin, if available
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jeremycherfas rMdes_ Does feedbro have a business model? I cannot see one.
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rMdes_ jeremycherfas, no idea
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jeremycherfas That would bother me
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rMdes_ the extension is local, doesnt use any remote server
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rMdes_ to my knownledge it's just a free extension for chrome/FF, parent "company" is http://nodetics.com/
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Zegnat Definitely get uBlock, no matter what browser you are using.
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jeremycherfas Hello zegnat. Yes, big fan of uBlock here.
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[eddie] sebsel I’ve been thinking about my own bookmarking. Right now I only bookmark for important things I want to come back to, but I don’t yet have a replacement for my instapaper use (“read/watch later”) aka same as Pocket.
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[eddie] I’ve actually been thinking about Microsub and I’ve been wondering recently if that is something that could be easier solved by Microsub. That way it provides easy access through a reader at a later date. And my “read/Watch” later are meant to be ephemeral. It’s a temporary save until I read/Watch, then I do some type of “like, Reply, etc” post
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[eddie] I’ve been thinking about it as a special “channel” inside of Microsub
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[eddie] I think if/when I get around to adding Microsub to my site I’ll testing having a special channel for that to experiment with
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sebsel yes, I'm actually thinking about this all and writing a blogpost about it, which requires more thinking (which is good)
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[eddie] Awesome
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sebsel I have some things to say about it, but maybe I should just keep on writing a bit more.
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sebsel what is Microsub?
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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[eddie] I’m looking forward to reading your blog post ?
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sebsel I don't know if it belongs there... but since it is talking to the reader... yeah, maybe it is.
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sebsel Yes! Just came home again, will think and write on it now :)
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jeremycherfas I keep meaning to investigate Woodwind more fully.
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jeremycherfas But I haven't had time for anything independent the past few weeks.
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[eddie] sebsel: let me know when you publish. I’ll read it, write out my detailed workflow and reply with my thoughts more in-depth as well. ?
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aaronpk interesting idea about integrating that into a reader
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aaronpk i suppose you could think of it as posting a bookmark into a specific channel, which happens to be your "read later" channel
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[eddie] jeremycherfas: it feels a little off but it’s better for nothing right now. I currently use a combination of it and twitter
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[eddie] aaronpk: so in essence what you mean is, I would set up a “bookmark” h-feed, subscribe to h-feed with my Microsub, assign that to a new channel called ‘read later’. Rather than having some type of “saving” feature built into the Microsub concept itself?
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aaronpk sort of yeah
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aaronpk it could be built into whatever software is providing the Microsub endpoint, but wouldn't need to be a new concept for the spec
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[eddie] Ohhhh gotcha.
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[kevinmarks] Like huffduffer.com does for audio, in effect?
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@derhess I just registered for IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017! check https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin and https://ti.to/tollwerk/indiewebcamp-berlin-2017 (twitter.com/_/status/917428651486011392)
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ludovicchabant hey there! So I'm implementing a Micropub endoint and looking at https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#form-encoded-and-multipart-requests there are 2 possible ways for the clients to send data: url-encoded form, or the multipart/form-data stuff, using that extension with the brackets for list properties...
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ludovicchabant are there any libraries out there that support this kind of stuff? I'm not sure what term to look for
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ludovicchabant I'm using Werkzeug with Python, but it would force me to implement 2 ways to parse the form data -- from the form args or from JSON data loaded from the request body
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ludovicchabant I don't know if there's a better way to do it?
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aaronpk hey ludovicchabant
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aaronpk most web frameworks provide this feature built in, since it's pretty standard to web forms
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aaronpk but let's take this to the #indieweb-dev channel for the specifics
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ludovicchabant sure!
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aaronpk whoa, when did foursquare add this "trip tips" feature?
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aaronpk http://4sq.com/2yC2UF6
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aaronpk "aaronpk is going to San Francisco. Where should he go?"
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aaronpk "type a place here to add it to aaronpk's list"
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@colinwalker Did you know that your blog’s search page for the term is the second hit on DuckDuckGo..." on 2017-07-20 http://devilgate.tumblr.com/post/163218815840
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tantek aaronpk: sounds vaguely like something from Dopplr. also sounds like a Foursquare version of "write on so and so's wall"
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek hey ludovicchabant do you have your own website today?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Thinking about bookmarks and likes on the IndieWeb" https://seblog.nl/2017/10/09/9/bookmarks-and-likes
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[sebsel] ping eddie ^^^ :)
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[eddie] Sebsel: Yay!! Glad it’s up. I’m gonna have to take a read
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Loqi ?
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ludovicchabant @tantek: yep I do. I’m adding a micropub endpoint these days
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tantek great! running your own CMS?
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ludovicchabant Yep, I’m the author of https://bolt80.com/piecrust/
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tantek makes me hungry ;)
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aaronpk nice site!
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ludovicchabant It’s a static website generator, but I’ve been adding an admin panel and other dynamic backend stuff lately
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ludovicchabant Hehe thanks
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tantek I wonder if anyone else here is using it already possibly
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tantek what is PieCrust
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PieCrust" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek PieCrust is https://bolt80.com/piecrust/ a [[static website]] generator that uses [[flat files]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek CMS << PieCrust
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Loqi ok, I added "[[PieCrust]]" to the "See Also" section of /content_management_system