#indieweb 2017-11-01

2017-11-01 UTC
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[kevinmarks] There are lots of stranger things logo examples from a year ago (though they mostly don't join the serifs and so the weird NG clip thing)
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[kevinmarks] Great thread from acegiak that applies to indieWebcamp https://twitter.com/acegiak/status/924762234810597377
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@acegiak I always refer to things like games week and pax as "mountaintop experiences" they're liminal spaces, set apart from our normal lives. (twitter.com/_/status/924762234810597377)
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@schmarty Here's a brief interview with @tantek from the most recent This Week in the #IndieWeb Podcast. ? Full Episode: https://martymcgui.re/2017/10/29/163907/ https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/925560051829526529/pu/img/OCBoxtavoueZMwYM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/925560169291042816)
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[khurt] So far my experience getting a consistent experience with IndieWeb on WordPress has been frustrating. I think some of the documentation for Bridgy needs some updating (Google+), and there are some quirks in the Webmentions
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Zegnat [khurt], I think the people over in the #indieweb-wordpress channel would love to hear your ideas and struggles to smooth things out!
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[chrisaldrich] khurt I can help you out in the other channel for a bit I'd you're still around.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: snarfed left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: re bridgy fed + url paths + atom...i honestly don't know. :P bridgy fed currently federates responses, but not (really) accounts or posts. obviously a big whole in the broader UX of making indieweb interact w/fedsocnets!
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: snarfed left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: i'm all for bridgy fed helping with that part too, but i'm hoping the community can help with research to see what works. want to help? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/14
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[chrisaldrich] I had a slightly customized three last year for Christmas using an ugly sweater motif. What page name would such a thing have?
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[chrisaldrich] We could document a few examples as we move into the next set of holidays...
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[chrisaldrich] s/three/theme
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Zegnat Seasonal design? Seasonal theme? I like the term seasonal for it. Just brainstorming.
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@cswordpress Dear search engines. Please start supporting MF2 soon, I dearly hate http://schema.org mark up. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/925650902450692097)
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@kavbojka "Site deaths are when sites go offline, taking content and permalinks, and breaking the web." https://indieweb.org/site-deaths #liberatorytechnology (twitter.com/_/status/925698510548332545)
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sketchess Good morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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cweiske !tell aaronpk wtf https://loqisaur.tumblr.com/ ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel cweiske: yeah, that got taken over some time ago and apparnetly aaronpk couldn't get it back
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sknebel good morning sketchess!
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cweiske http://loqi.me/ still links to it
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Loqi Loqi
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sketchess Hey sknebel, nice too see you. Checking on HWCs.
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sketchess Oh good, for a second I thought, there won't be one.
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sketchess What happend to the Berlin meet ups?
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sketchess sknebel?
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sknebel sketchess: we're meeting on thursdays now, and not this week since there is indiewebcamp on the weekend already and our new space is blocked by another event
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sketchess oh, so everything will change again....
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sketchess noted
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sknebel since we have a fixed place now, it's going to stay on thursdays pretty sure
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sketchess which timings?
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sknebel starting 18:30 still
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sknebel and there's still virtual homebrew website club on wednesdays (e.g. today!), only difference there is that we now use a different chat system than before ;) https://indieweb.org/events/2017-11-01-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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sketchess I see..... will be interesting how things will come to be on my side. count down is running, 60 days still official semester start.
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sketchess oh....
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sketchess good to know, otherwise I would have wondered entery an empty room I guess. I check it out.
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sketchess seems tu run.... o.O
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sketchess Cool, I will meet some of you in person on IWC. xD
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sketchess till evening....
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[miklb] pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 25 karma in this channel (35 overall)
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[miklb] webmention comment replies for WordPress are great.
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[miklb] I posted a note, got a webmention reply via micro.blog, was able to reply with the native WordPress comment reply & it shows up on micro.blog
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[chrisaldrich] srlsy?
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[chrisaldrich] I thought I saw something like that the other day on someone's site, but wasn't sure that it wasn't manually POSSEd...
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[miklb] yep. threaded reply on my site via comment form, backfeeds as a reply to micro.blog
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[chrisaldrich] I noticed a while back that replies to my posts from Known that are also syndicated to other services (say twitter for example), pull in the webmention reply, but also show they syndicated tweet in the UI as well.
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[chrisaldrich] It feels like in about 5 minutes that WordPress will have full salmention support.... ?
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[miklb] I’m not sure micro.blog is considered a syndication target since it just picks up a feed
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[chrisaldrich] Does that same functionality you saw work for Twitter as well? Or did it require any configuration with micro.blog?
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[miklb] right now I don’t think brid.gy would pick that up. I simply reply natively in Twitter since my replies also backfeed as comments
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[chrisaldrich] how does micro.blog pick up your replies though? comments rss feed?
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[miklb] no configuration. This is just webmentions
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[miklb] there is a comment reply webmention plugin
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[chrisaldrich] apparently I've been asleep at the wheel and missed that one. Where is it hiding?
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[miklb] so here https://miklb.com/2017/11/2628/ the micro.blog reply came in as a webmention, I replied using the native comment form and it backfeeds to https://micro.blog/eli/181926
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Loqi [Michael Bishop] Had one of those shower thoughts…apply machine learning to a restaurant POS to better control inventory. Probablying being done, right?
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[miklb] https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention-for-comments
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Loqi [pfefferle] wordpress-webmention-for-comments: WebMention support for (threaded) comments
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[chrisaldrich] pfefferle++ indeed!
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[miklb] I would eventually love to be able to reply to a tweet reply natively in WordPress
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect that that plugin might be able to tie into the Brid.gy publish plugin to do just that...
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[miklb] in theory I agree. I haven’t looked at exactly where I would need to add it though
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[chrisaldrich] You'd just want a character counter to be able to watch the length, but one could probably adapt Peter Molnar's https://wordpress.org/plugins/character-count-for-post-content-excerpt/
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] Description Adds a very simple character counter next to word counter for the content and a character counter for the excerpt. Works with both visual and text content editors. Screenshots the added fields Installation Upload conte...
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[miklb] yeah, I hacked a little counter into my excerpt field but it doesn’t take into account the nuances of how Twitter counts characters
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[chrisaldrich] Peter's is fairly old, so it probably doesn't take those into account either...
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petermolnar someone summoned me
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petermolnar reading back
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petermolnar right, so that plugin is SIMPLE
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petermolnar it's literally just a character count
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[chrisaldrich] petermolnar, not summoned, just mentioned in a positive light ?
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petermolnar :D
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[chrisaldrich] petermolnar++ for WordPress work from years ago...
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Loqi petermolnar has 30 karma in this channel (48 overall)
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petermolnar about the reply-with-comment: I did that as well a while ago, with my alternative (now abandoned) wp webmention plugin, but I had a hard time trying to add permalinks per comment
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petermolnar I wonder what pfefferle did with that
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[chrisaldrich] I think that GWG added some additional fields for u-syndication as well as some parsing in the last year.
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[chrisaldrich] I know there was some discussion about permalinks for comments, but they didn't go anywhere (or were scrapped).
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[miklb] I think the issue is with pagination
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GWG What was the question?
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Loqi question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indieweb.org/question
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[chrisaldrich] One can target comments with #fragmention-esque URLs
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petermolnar [chrisaldrich] I have a few other plugins never pushed to the wp repo: https://github.com/petermolnar?utf8=%E2%9C%93&tab=repositories&q=wp&type=&language=
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GWG I added fragments and syndication.
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[chrisaldrich] We're just pulling in everyone this morning. Rub the magic lamp and see which genie appears.
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[chrisaldrich] miklb mentioned wordpress comment webmentions to micro.blog working a bit ago.
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[chrisaldrich] I wonder if colinwalker is aware of that functionality? I suspect he'd use it constantly if he did.
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[chrisaldrich] What do you call an /itch that you don't know you already have?
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snarfed "product market fit" ?
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[chrisaldrich] ha!
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[chrisaldrich] Peter, thanks! I think I had one or two bookmarked, but don't think I'd seen all of them.
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GWG snarfed said it best when I told him that locations in comments now worked with bridgy
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GWG Unintentional integration
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snarfed emergent++ ?
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sknebel virtual HWC now starting!
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[chrisaldrich] GWG++ for simple location (That was one of the coolest indieweb things I've seen in the wild recently)
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[chrisaldrich] Did it get documented?
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[chrisaldrich] What is Simple Location?
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Loqi Simple Location is an Indieweb-friendly WordPress plugin that enhances posts with location information https://indieweb.org/Simple_Location
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[chrisaldrich] I'm trying to think of which post I saw it on last week now...
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GWG I should document that and so much more
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Loqi totally
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GWG You need a way to only show posts and comments with location
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GWG Someone open an issue
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[chrisaldrich] My office power just went out for a bit. Have to change camps.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG an issue for simple location you mean?
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[colinwalker] chrisaldrich I’ve had WordPress comments from my blog generate webmentions on micro.blog but there can be an issue: comments from others have shown as being from me. It’s all to do with recognising if they’re from a recognised user. I mentioned it to manton and he was going to look at whether they should all get sent or just those from a recognised user.
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sketchess good morning
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[chrisaldrich] I just filed one for Bridgy publish just to document the other Twitter threaded comment thing miklb brought up
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GWG chrisaldrich, to search for comments and posts with location
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sketchess vHWC is open
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sknebel (I forgot to adjust the timezones)
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[manton] colinwalker I'm going to look at this more today and get to the bottom of it. Do you have a good example link for the problem?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG feel free to file issues in repos for documentation and assign them to me. I'll work on them the best I can.
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[colinwalker] manton I noticed the issue because of the comments on this post: https://colinwalker.blog/2017/10/25/25102017-0736/
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Loqi [Colin Walker] I have written a few times about my struggles with pen and paper as a creative medium rather than using an electronic device. The inconvenience, the awkwardness, the much slower pace at which I can get my thoughts down... I've had a selection of sm...
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[colinwalker] Those from a non-m.b commenter came through as me
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[chrisaldrich] Off to find a power source and Wi-Fi...
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snarfed unrelated news: bridgy hit 900k webmentions sent, and almost 9M silo responses. woo! i'll probably have to throw a party at 1M wms sent. https://brid.gy/#stats
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sknebel snarfed++
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snarfed (s/sent/sent successfully)
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[manton] colinwalker And do you have Microformats for the user comment? On first glance I'm not seeing how Micro.blog could tell who wrote the comment when it receives the Webmention.
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[manton] Or maybe the issue is just that it sees your domain name and matches that up. That's likely.
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aaronpk it looks like the comments are missing an h-card
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 3 hours, 53 minutes ago: wtf https://loqisaur.tumblr.com/ ?
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sketchess pity
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[colinwalker] I’m using pfefferle’s Webmention for Comments plugin. aaronpk so, you think I should add h-cards to them? I can modify my template. manton maybe so.
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aaronpk yes definitely, if you're going to add microformats markup when showing comments, then the markup should be complete
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[manton] I've checked the Micro.blog code and I don't think it handles this case. It isn't expecting a comment on a web page that has other comments, it's expecting more of a personal site with a new post that is a reply back.
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[colinwalker] I’ll have a look at updating things.
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aaronpk take a look at the parsed result of that blog post and you'll see what I mean. https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcolinwalker.blog%2F2017%2F10%2F25%2F25102017-0736%2F
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aaronpk here's a recommendation for how to mark up comments https://indieweb.org/comments#How_to_markup
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[manton] In the ping, are you sending your post URL with a "#comment_id" at the end to point to the individual comment? And do other tools handle this?
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[colinwalker] ?‍♂️ whatever WordPress and the plugins do by default.
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[colinwalker] aaronpk I see the problem, the markup really isn’t clear and doesn’t differentiate.
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[colinwalker] I never used to have native comments enabled when adding Indieweb functionality so am finding various things that need fixing.
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[manton] Yeah, it's not clear to me what to do in this case... Seems like I'd have to look at `#comment-id` in the URL and find the specific comment in the HTML. Right now it assumes there's one post on the page, not multiple comments.
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snarfed reminds me of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/445
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Loqi [csarven] #445 publish: support fragment for identifying individual entry
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snarfed (and maybe https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/681 )
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Loqi [OliverJAsh] #681 listen: support hash/fragment permalinks to entries inside feeds
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[manton] Oh, actually the pings I'm getting are in this form: https://colinwalker.blog/2017/10/25/25102017-0736/?replytocom=52884
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Loqi [Chris Lovie-Tyler] I’ve got a Moleskine pocket notebook at the moment (got it for half the usual price on the Book Depository), but when I’ve filled that I’m going to try Field Notes. They look a lot better (thickness-wise) for actually carrying round in your poc...
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[manton] Which in a web browser redirects, but I think when downloaded by an app, only shows the single post. That explains why the text is coming through correctly, just not the user.
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[colinwalker] Got you.
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[manton] Good news: those special "replytocome" URLs _do_ have a p-author and h-card.
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[colinwalker] There is only my h-card on the page though.
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[manton] Actually no, WordPress is being clever here. If you download the source of that page with curl or something that isn't a web browser, it produces different HTML, and the h-card is on the comment author.
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[colinwalker] Clever! But it won’t hurt for me to do it properly ?
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[manton] Cool. I'll make some tweaks on the Micro.blog side to handle this case better. Thanks!
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[colinwalker] Nice thanks. And thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk oh wow
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GWG I tried to do comment permalinks with an actual template in the theme. I should reconsider that as a special plugin
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[colinwalker] BTW aaronpk - bit off topic but have you had feed changes/issues with percolator? I had all posts reappear in Feedly and the Podcasts app complaining it couldn’t get episode 9.
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sketchess a good nights sleep....
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aaronpk yes, i broke the feed yesterday by using a relative URL for the mp3 file. but it's fixed now.
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aaronpk also I hadn't realized the unique ID field wasn't being set so I set that and i think some clients are treating them as new posts.
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[colinwalker] Ah cool. Just thought I’d check.
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[tantek] What is goo.gl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "goo.gl" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[tantek] What is a link shortener?
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Loqi link shortener is a website that creates a shortlink (typically for any link) for use in space constrained contexts like SMS, Twitter pre-tco and other silos with post length limitations, and have been criticized for worsening link fragility https://indieweb.org/link_shortener
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[tantek] Please create and add to ^^^ with the example of the link that was deliberately broken by google
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@khurtwilliams @ChrisAldrich Definitely agree. Wish I had read this, https://indieweb.org/User:Miklb.com, sooner. (twitter.com/_/status/925794855787417600)
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@DreamHost Attention, #PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out @indiewebcamp! http://bit.ly/2mWH9Fz (twitter.com/_/status/925799859625648132)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@khurtwilliams A bunch of us are working on making it all easier in steps, but we're also doing it on a volunteer basis. Some of" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-01 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/khurtwilliams-a-bunch-of-us-are-working-on-making-it
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[colinwalker] I think I’ve got my microformats markup sorted for comments now.
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KartikPrabhu [colinwalker]: posting or receiving comments through Webmention?
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[colinwalker] @KartikPrabhu it was just that the markup was incomplete (missing h-cards) leading to potential author issues.
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KartikPrabhu cool!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Doing things properly" by Colin Walker on 2017-11-01 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/11/01/doing-things-properly/
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