#indieweb 2017-11-03

2017-11-03 UTC
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gRegorLove Pretty lame they redirected all the articles to that message, too. https://twitter.com/me3dia/status/926199079117426690
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@me3dia I'm sick and on the verge of tears for all the important work (and sure, some stupid stuff too) dating back to 2003 that is just ...gone. (twitter.com/_/status/926199079117426690)
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/me3dia/status/926201052910759936
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@me3dia It costs practically nothing to keep archives up. @gapersblock will remain online as long as I'm able, and that'll be a very long time. (twitter.com/_/status/926201052910759936)
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gRegorLove @xor is scraping archives for the journalists though: https://twitter.com/xor/status/926214924484964352
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@xor If you've got work on Gothamist, DNAInfo, or one of the sister sites that were disappeared today and you want PDFs of what is still available in caches, hit me up (twitter.com/_/status/926214924484964352)
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mblaney ok I added an escrow section to brainstorming on the payment page.
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Loqi mblaney: tantek left you a message 18 hours, 57 minutes ago: perhaps add an "Escrow" section inside https://indieweb.org/payment#Brainstorming documenting the 3rd party ideas
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mblaney feel free to poke holes in it if you think it wouldn't work
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[tantek] Cool mblaney thanks!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Eggshell spider 🕸🕷" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-02 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/02/eggshell-spider-%f0%9f%95%b8%f0%9f%95%b7/
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@aaronpk Well this was an effective demonstration of why a centralized Twitter is a problem. #indieweb https://twitter.com/twittergov/status/926267806261407744 (twitter.com/_/status/926284502619398144)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-03.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@rdabasar @strugee2 Hi AJ! Found you through indieweb. Just wanted to ask if you're still going with a home server (You seem to be active on Twitter?) (twitter.com/_/status/926356217722757120)
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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@sl007 Centralized POTUS becomes censored in a Silo + FB helps AfD bastards + bots manipulate + WhatsApp is down++ time for https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/926372397833388032)
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@jkphl Heading into a 5-days event road trip: @IndieWebCamp, https://a11y.club & @btconf Looking forward to u, friends! Berlin, I'm coming! ? (twitter.com/_/status/926376609053110273)
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@stefanjudis @jkphl @indiewebcamp @btconf Safe ride, Joschi! :) (twitter.com/_/status/926376859956326401)
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@Harrisonbro @schnarfed @indiewebcamp ? (twitter.com/_/status/926376872128196608)
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dgold cweiske: quick question -- how does one use shpub to post an article?
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cweiske $ ./bin/shpub.php article --help
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cweiske Usage:
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cweiske Create an article
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cweiske shpub [options] article [options] title text
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cweiske shpub article "How to post an article with shpub" "bla bla bla"
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Zegnat IndieWeb folks, please note we have added a meet-up spot for those of you already in Berlin today! https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin#Schedule
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@HeNeArXn @IndieWebCampDE @jkphl pre-IWC Berlin meetup tonight at 1800: https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin#Day_0_.28Friday.29 (twitter.com/_/status/926422760053772288)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Is the openweb dying?" by Khürt Williams on 2017-11-03 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/7285847
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dgold cweiske: ah - there's no way to redirect a text file in as input, is there?
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cweiske you can use a shell command to load a file
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cweiske erm
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cweiske $(dunnowhatthatwas)
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cweiske try -
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cweiske as article text
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cweiske and pipe
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cweiske no idea if that works though
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cweiske if not, please open a feature request
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[kevinmarks] "Standards are like toothbrushes. Everyone needs one, and everyone wants to use their own."
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cweiske no.
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cweiske you don't get sick when using another one's standard
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ScalaWilliam what're the views here of using 'Accept' content negotiation vs adding a query parameter like ?format=json for a URL to support both JSON and HTML for example?
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cweiske accept is hard to test with browsers
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cweiske I did that once in a project, wasn't worth it
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cweiske you could even version your APIs with accept headers
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cweiske but that's also hard to test with browsers
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ScalaWilliam what did you do at the end of it?
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cweiske simply providing a link to an api URL in the documentation does not work anymore
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cweiske because the api also wants the correct accept header
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ScalaWilliam yep
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cweiske so that api is running in production with accept header and all
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cweiske but I would not do that again
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cweiske (that was an API that purely returned json, no other formats, thoguh)
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ScalaWilliam one troublesome thing for me is that I have to generate different URLs for different resources
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cweiske you could do both
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ScalaWilliam I think that would be nice
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cweiske and have linkability by offering get parameters
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cweiske and static links via accept headers
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cweiske no idea if that's worth it
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jjuran There’s the notion that a URL names an informational resource that might have multiple representations, and another notion that it names a specific byte stream. Both notions have value, but they’re mutually exclusive.
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cweiske see https://www.troyhunt.com/your-api-versioning-is-wrong-which-is/
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cweiske "The various versioning camps
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cweiske "
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jjuran IMO it makes more sense to require all browsers to support PNG than to require all servers to provide GIF as a fallback, for example.
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jjuran The first notion is a noble idea, but I don’t see how it’s going to play well with proxies and web archivers.
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cweiske proxies don't play a role here
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cweiske proxies know how to pass on headers like content-type, and accept is no different
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jjuran Sure, but can it cache multiple representations per resource?
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cweiske web archivers: should web archivers archive apis?
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cweiske do they need to archive the json version of a html page?
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jjuran No, I was thinking in terms of static resources.
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ScalaWilliam so I guess I could support ?format=json for web clients, and Accept header for machines who don't like generating their own URLs and would rather follow
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cweiske yep
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cweiske if you see the need
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cweiske s/see/have/
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cweiske because you ain't gonna need it if you don't need it right now
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ScalaWilliam I definitely need the machines part
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ScalaWilliam but the human part - it would be useful in trying to attract developers to an open source project
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cweiske and maybe for testing :)
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ScalaWilliam yes... definitely that.
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ScalaWilliam I worked on too many APIs in my life to know that you really should have default HTML representation ;_)... in the end you don't need separate back-end and front-end any more
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ScalaWilliam the human testability is an important aspect, you never wanna hide things away
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cweiske I made my radio server's XML API browsable by linking a XSL stylesheet
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cweiske and with a json viewer plugin in your browser, you can click urls in json apis, too
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cweiske that might be enough
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cweiske if you offer links in your results instead of relying on the clients to figure out the urls on their own
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ScalaWilliam yes, I do try to offer links in results. Don't like the figuring-out part.
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ScalaWilliam XSL stylesheet approach is nice.
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@xandruCea Together with @jkphl on our way to #berlin! Visiting the #IndieWebCamp & #btconf the next days! #IndieDev https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNtophaW4AAWAJU.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926449252112457730)
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@stefanjudis Preparations for @indiewebcamp (Sa/Su) and http://accessibility-club.org (Mo) in Berlin are done! ? Let's do it! (twitter.com/_/status/926463720783478784)
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@jeena On the ferry from Trelleborg to Rostock, I'm going to Berlin for the #IndieWeb... more at https://jeena.net/photos/376 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNt6bxhWkAE5Q_-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926468767978262529)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "There’s no substitute for having the primary copy of your work being in a space you control (and, ideally, own.) #indieweb https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/926228598712950784" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-11-03 https://werd.io/2017/theres-no-substitute-for-having-the-primary-copy-of-your
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@benwerd There’s no substitute for having the primary copy of your work being in a space you control (and, ideally, own.) #indieweb https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/926228598712950784 (twitter.com/_/status/926481505618083840)
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@donlu42 Looking forward meeting @jkphl and everyone else @indiewebcamp I have no idea what to expect, but I’m open to any talks and ideas :) (twitter.com/_/status/926488737483288576)
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[markmhendrickso I'm looking forward to seeing many of you in Berlin tomorrow! I've written a piece about my website's publishing strategy for the occasion: http://markmhendrickson.com/post/dropbox-website-publishing
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Anyone want to suggest/brainstorm book titles for my IndieWeb/WordPress project? Ideas for something short/pithy, possibly with a fun subtitle to get people interested in the topic would be appreciated. This could be used as an entertaining diversion while you’re travelling to IndieWebCamp Berlin this weekend…" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-03 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/03/indieweb-book-title/
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@ChrisAldrich Anyone want to suggest/brainstorm book titles for my #IndieWeb / #WordPress project? #NaNoWriMo http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/03/indieweb-book-title/ (twitter.com/_/status/926538250436558849)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://markmhendrickson.com/post/dropbox-website-publishing (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/03/publishing-to-my-website-instantly-with-dropbox-by-mark-hendrickson/)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-03.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://calumryan.com/note/1083 (from https://martymcgui.re/2017/11/03/163528/)
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tantek calumryan++ great slides!
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Loqi calumryan has 16 karma in this channel (20 overall)
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gRegorLove Nice, 3 pod/micro casts in the newsletter this week
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gRegorLove Er, 4
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-03.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-03.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNvZpokVAAASTuG.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926573463275323392)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'm worried that John just set the creative bar too high with this bit of genius... John, you've won the IndieWeb for the day." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-03 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/im-worried-that-john-just-set-the-creative-bar-too
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[miklb] chrisaldrich the link to the post you are replying to ☝ redirects too many times for Safari to load. Any ideas why?
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[kevinmarks] Twitter's Growth team had a veto over Trust and Safety https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-03/former-twitter-employee-says-fake-russian-accounts-were-not-taken-seriously