#indieweb 2017-11-04

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tantek wow
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benwerd WOW
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tantek "He also said he declined the severance package so he could speak about his experiences at the company."
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tantek "a significant percentage of the total accounts created on Twitter had Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses" [!!!]
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tantek Twitter << 2017-11-03 Selina Wang (Bloomberg Technology) [https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-03/former-twitter-employee-says-fake-russian-accounts-were-not-taken-seriously Twitter Sidestepped Russian Account Warnings, Former Worker Says] / In 2015, a manager discovered a trove of accounts with Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-11-03 Selina Wang (Bloomberg Technology) [https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-03/former-twitter-employee-says-fake-russian-accounts-were-not-taken-seriously Twitter Sidestepped Russian Account Warnings, Former Worker Says] / In 2015, a manager discovered a trove of accounts with Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter
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[chrisaldrich] miklb I was worried that it was the quirky bug I've squashed in a few places already (though not all). But I'm not seeing that behaviour, unless I'm looking at the wrong page.
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[miklb] odd, worked this time. When I tried to click the link to the post you were replying to it had too many redirects. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[chrisaldrich] I do have an issue on some posts that originate from micropub doing an odd redirect thing occasionally, so I was worried that the problem had spread. Glad to hear it's not the case. #winning!
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@jkphl Good morning Berlin! Good morning @indiewebcamp! Organizer setup in 90 minutes ... #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNxL0M8W4AAhxsw.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926698995501666306)
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@stefanjudis @jkphl @indiewebcamp On my way in 2min. :) (twitter.com/_/status/926705354305671168)
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@Digitalkapitaen On my way to @indiewebcamp @contentful on a gorgeous, albeit cold, autumn morning. #IndieWebCamp #IndieWeb #Berlin https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNxdDr8WAAAScJQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926717958373675008)
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Jeena ok I found contentfull in Berlin but all the doors are closed ^^
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Jeena Ok found it! And there are signs now too.
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sl007 Hey sknebel, Zegnat – does BER stream ?
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GWG I am waiting for that myself
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Zegnat I am just setting up while jkphl does the intro talk
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Zegnat Code of conduct, contact people, thanks to stefan for the venue
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Zegnat jkphl: there is currently no streaming setup, but stefan is taking a look
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GWG So, no on the remote participation?
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Zegnat There might be streaming options in the venue, our venue provider is looking at it as we speak
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GWG Okay
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GWG Will wait
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Zegnat Watch this space ;)
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Zegnat jkphl.is, website running on typo3
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Zegnat 2014 website, first personal private website, although he has been doing websites for 25 years
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Zegnat 5 blogs posts in 4 years
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Zegnat not content with the process behind posting, want to replace it
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Zegnat what the website does indieweb-wise: receigin webmentions, showing reactions
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Zegnat new corporate website coming up, which should also do webmentions
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Zegnat Streaming should be happening at https://zoom.us/share, with the code 988 145 105
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Zegnat Let us know if it works, you may need software, GWG
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Zegnat stefanjudis.com
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sknebel https://zoom.us/j/988145105 <- join link, but software seems needed
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Zegnat first indiewebcamp
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Zegnat provider of the venue
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Zegnat sknebel up next
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Zegnat www.svenknebel.de - a blog
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Zegnat occasionally writes something
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Zegnat one of the crazy people to write their own software, missing essential features like pagination
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Zegnat few indieweb features, e.g. posting via Micropub (has to, no other interface)
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sknebel Martijn/Zegnat
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sknebel showing his homepage through mf2 parser
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sknebel !mf2 http://vanderven.se/martijn
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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sknebel also has blog on second domain https://licit.li
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sknebel will work on that, move it to VPS
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sknebel add micropub to backend
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017 kicking off! Live stream via https://zoom.us/share, ID 988145105 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNxzzwxW0AAEnLO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926742978135252992)
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sknebel has written own indieauth endpoint, happy to help set that up
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sknebel what is selfauth?
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written in PHP which is easy for anyone to get running https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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Zegnat sgreger going now
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Zegnat organiser of the HWC Berlin
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Zegnat sebastiangreger.net
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Zegnat Been with the indieweb for about a year more actively
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Zegnat Used to do indieweb stuff before that, but never realised the indieweb was also a community
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Zegnat design has been around for about 2 years. the tab sliders design is either liked or disliked, but his user testing shows that they definitely work for people
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Zegnat Blog feed has bookmarks, writing, reposts, and supports receiving webmentions
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Zegnat Links to replies and favourites, but does this in an anonymised way, not showing full photos or names
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Zegnat WordPress blog, using code from the community as well as his own plugins
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Zegnat up next: Jeena
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Zegnat jeena.net
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Zegnat “indiewebified” his website
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Zegnat last thing he did was podcasts.
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GWG I see, working on hearing.
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Zegnat https://jeena.net/pods
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Zegnat GWG, good, let us know if you get it working!
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GWG Can someone check audio? I don't hear anything.
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Zegnat Jeena wants to work on a stream of data, currently only showing the last thing of every type
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Zegnat Oliver is up next, doesn't want to show his site because he is also in the cap of writing his own CMS.
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Zegnat The CMs doesn’t work too well, which is why he doesn’t want to show it off
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Zegnat GWG: Stefan is checking the sound!
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sknebel GWG now?
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GWG Thank you.
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GWG Just came on.
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Zegnat Let us know about the quality GWG, we could switch to handheld mics if neccessary.
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Zegnat derhess.de up next, flo from HWC Berlion
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Zegnat About a year ago he had to do a portfolio, set-up WordPress, bought a theme
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GWG I can hear.
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Zegnat Quickly figured out his theme was not the best for the indieweb tech stack
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Zegnat Want to work with webmentions, possibly indieauth, but getting out of WordPress also
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Zegnat jansauer.de
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Zegnat simple static “uninteresting” site with a vCard (h-card) that gets him into indieweb places
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Zegnat Also writing his own CMS, playing around with back-end tech, and hoping to get some blog posts on there
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Zegnat markmhendrickson.com
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Zegnat Build in ember with a back-end in node
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Zegnat api.markmhendrickson.com/posts gets you the full back-end part
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Zegnat wants to seperate view from data strictliy
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Zegnat project: neotoma.io - PESOS and collecting data from around the web into Dropbox
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Zegnat Don’t use it, currently broken
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Zegnat Always looking for Open-Source contributions
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Zegnat can help with APIs / ember / js frameworks
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Zegnat alex-cio.de
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Zegnat Game developer and film maker
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Zegnat from Nürnberg, learned about indieweb through jkphl
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Zegnat has been adding options h-card, some content like book reviews, friends
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Zegnat Hopes to make some more friends this weekend ;)
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Zegnat Wants to make his site simpler for people who aren’t big into social media.
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Zegnat Also wants to make his posts have permalinks.
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Zegnat His own website is there for him to learn more about web development
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Zegnat fmarx.com
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Zegnat Website only gets updated at indiewebcamps
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Zegnat Going to update the website content now, as it is no longer up to date
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Zegnat Uses static site generator Metalsmith
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Zegnat What is Metalsmith?
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Loqi Metalsmith is a static site generator written in JavaScript https://indieweb.org/Metalsmith
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Zegnat “accidentally” involved into an opensource project weh.js.org
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Zegnat Metalsmith is getting a bit outdated and no longer getting updates, and weh might be able to replace it
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Zegnat Wants to start eating his own dogfood and possibly start running his site on there
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Zegnat Ask him about front-end development if you need help
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Zegnat [John?] UX designer, not super into programming, first IWC
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Zegnat Started with Pascal “a few years ago”
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Zegnat My aim “which [he] just found out now” is to make a website again
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Zegnat doubleloop.net
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Zegnat Pretty new, from London, started going to the HWC there, been running his website ~6 months now
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Zegnat Running WordPress, “quite a bit of IndieWeb functionality”, included things he doesn’t really know about but he expects to be there through the plugins
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Zegnat He makes much use of the different post types
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GWG Yay Post Kinds
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Loqi ?
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Zegnat Tries to use more different things, showing Jams
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Zegnat Jeena: are you collecting all you are listening too, or just what you like?
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Zegnat doubleloop: he does jams now, so likes, but would like to maybe get listens going for all tracking/scrobbling
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Zegnat Big part of his feed is filled with jams
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Zegnat Wants to get image hosting / image galleries going, something he also needs now that he has been in Berlin taking pictures
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Zegnat Wants a page documenting what the website is using to run, also for himself to better understand the indieweb tools that are in use
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Zegnat calumryan - on his 5th indiewebcamp
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Zegnat Website originally build on Jekyll
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Zegnat But there is also a PHP backend for syndicating out to Twitter and Facebook
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Zegnat Webmentions implemented, there should be comments on some of the posts
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Zegnat Example the /learning/evaluating-technology
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Zegnat Would like to update the way he is handling those comments/webmentions
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Zegnat Trying to bridge the gap between code and design (with HWC London too)
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Zegnat Recently implemented checkins (from Swarm)
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Zegnat Recently also started published what the weather is when he pots
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Zegnat Events are listed at the bottom of his homepage.
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Zegnat Recently implemented events with RSVP options on hwclondon.co.uk - including RSVPs through webmentions
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Zegnat Showing RSVP display on a specific event
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Zegnat Sam
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Zegnat First time at an event like this. Wants to make a personal site using Hugo as a static site generation.
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Zegnat No website to show, as it needs to be build over the weekend.
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Zegnat sketchess
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Zegnat started in may on her own project, hasn’t been with indieweb community long
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Zegnat picmodi.de
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Zegnat A archive for collecting and presenting data “properly”, but hasn’t gotten far yet.
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Zegnat Not much of a personal website, much more a collection point.
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Zegnat Will collect data on whatever her interests are
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Zegnat More a regular person than a developer
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Zegnat gerben
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Zegnat not done a lot of indieweb community stuff, but much web stuff
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Zegnat been looking at annotation stuff, looking at the W3C annotation stuff
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Zegnat He is not really interested in annotation, but much more in making pages linkable
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Zegnat treora.com - his website
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Zegnat He wants *users* to be able to make links to places on pages, without the web owner having to add tags for that
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Zegnat worked on [blog.]webmemex.org
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sknebel virtual memory extension. current browser extension can snapshot pages
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Zegnat Showing of a mind-map like interface
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sknebel shows old demo, web based, mindmap between websites and notes
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Zegnat Would like to call it a read-write-web-browser
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Zegnat And implementing in a browser currently, so “you can browse when you browse”
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Zegnat End of introductions
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Zegnat Going to start session planning, probably not logging that here in IRC. But we’ll (that is, sknebel) get the table on the wiki ASAP
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Zegnat dougbeal|imac when is your indieweb-webring going live? :p
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Interesting read, Jeremy. Just on the plumbing side of things I'm currently thinking how I want a more comprehensive main page for myself (currently trying" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-11-04 http://raretrack.uk/2017/interesting-read-jeremy-just-on-the-plumbing-side-of-things
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Interesting read, Jeremy. Just on the plumbing side of things I'm currently thinking how I want a more comprehensive main page for myself (currently trying" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-11-04 https://raretrack.uk/2017/interesting-read-jeremy-just-on-the-plumbing-side-of-things
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@m_ott Wishing everyone at the #IndieWebCamp Berlin a lot of fun this weekend – and many new friends! ;) I wish I could be there, too! (twitter.com/_/status/926759216928477184)
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GWG Someone pass me a sandwich?
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@koehr_in We have sandwiches! ? #indieweb #indiewebcamp #Berlin https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyEvMqWsAALOfU.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926761625092202497)
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sebsel good morning IndieWeb :)
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Loqi sebsel: sl007 left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: - do you have to go by train? Is there a chance to make it cheaper for everyone by joining my car?
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sebsel I'm still here at home, sl007, sadly. Now looking for a way to remote-participate.
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petermolnar who is gerben?
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Loqi petermolnar: tantek left you a message 1 day, 19 hours ago: add yourself / site / technique to the /payment#IndieWeb_Examples !
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petermolnar Zegnat please forwards my message to the author of webmemex.org regarding single page saves of HTML: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHTML
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Zegnat sebsel, we should be streaming, at least the building blocks session
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Zegnat Streaming being discussed now
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sebsel Zegnat until then I'm lurking in etherpads :)
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Zegnat sebsel, try here: https://zoom.us/j/988145105
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Zegnat petermolnar, I’ll try to get gerben between sessions!
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Zegnat If someone is looking at the session, let us know how the sound is. jkphl is holding a mic during his talk
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Zegnat Current sessions: Building Blocks & Indie Reader
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sebsel Zegnat I see you! :D
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Zegnat I would wave, but I don’t know where the camera is at :p
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sebsel I hear jkphl talking, but I can't really make words out of it
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GWG Same as sebsel
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GWG I have to concentrate
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GWG It's not clear enough
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Zegnat Reminded jkphl to speak more into it, we’ll see how the sound gets
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Zegnat I think Stefan is checking the sound again, sorry guys
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sebsel It's more an audio-compression + German accent issue I'm afraid. 0:)
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GWG It's the compression I'm having trouble with
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GWG I can handle German accents.
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Zegnat I don’t think we can really fix that, though I am not sure what Stefan is/was trying
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GWG Sometimes the settings can be tweaked. But you never know
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sebsel I believe it did improve a bit. Also: I love to hear jkphl's voice, so no rudeness intended
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@btconf Wishing everybody at the @indiewebcamp in Berlin a fantastic day. Hope to drop in at some point to say hello! (twitter.com/_/status/926769473452781569)
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GWG It is a bit better.
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GWG Still sounds like he is underwater, but...
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sebsel how is the IndieReader session going? Is it going on in a different room or not taking place at all?
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sebsel I see no notes.
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Zegnat It is going on in the sofa lounge
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sebsel Ah okay! Looking forward to notes :)
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Zegnat sknebel is there, surprised he isn’t doing notes :p
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sebsel it worked, notes are starting to appear
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sknebel the link was wrong as well
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sknebel (to the pad)
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GWG My birthdate to the minute is actually a post on my website
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Zegnat Do you have a u-birthday in your h-card, GWG?
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GWG Zegnat: Not yet.
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@DeciZone In &lt; 1min, 'What is the typical Recruitment Process at a startup?' https://www.decizone.com/publishedfc_load.action?id=xaen38Wy2MTpwyW390oQk5bOwOeT56n16&utm_medium=s&utm_source=tda&utm_campaign=r&param=4 #indieweb #SANSSeattle #alterconf #CanUX #Startup (twitter.com/_/status/926773546369548289)
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Zegnat That would be cool to see actually! u-birthday to an h-event :D
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Zegnat Now I might have to do that …
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GWG Zegnat: I have other things I'm wading through
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Zegnat Yeah, perfectly understandable
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GWG WordPress ignored Pingbacks. Even I do, and I'm the Ping Component maintainer
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sebsel jkphl++ for the nice presentation on building blocks
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Loqi jkphl has 34 karma in this channel (36 overall)
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@stefanjudis I'm listening to @jkphl who explains the building blocks of the #indieweb at @indiewebcamp and wow... that's really cool stuff! ?? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNySLUdV4AA3u5o.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926776407069425664)
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GWG To be honest, I got the job due lack of interest on anyone else's part
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GWG And I sort of wanted to try to push webmentions, but no one wants to talk about it
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#845" on 2017-11-04 https://doubleloop.net/2017/11/04/845/
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Zegnat Time for the group photo and lunc
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GWG I like lunc, but I'm still at brek
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sebsel I'm just having a coof now
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@kevinmarks @bruces There can be a difference, but it means a lot more decentralisation. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/926783150725906434)
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@Sehulsshah In &lt; 1min, 'What is typical process for Nurse-Only visit by a patient?' https://www.decizone.com/publishedfc_load.action?id=3WPNBzvgRpnl5AP364INqgaME1H8QJzLJ&utm_medium=s&utm_source=tsa&utm_campaign=r&param=4 #indieweb #alterconf #CanUX #Startup 4 (twitter.com/_/status/926783611331842048)
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Zegnat People are settling down for the first session post-lunch
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Zegnat Schedule is updated with new times, because we are terrible at keeping time
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GWG That is why the Microformats 2 plugin doesn't quite work
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@koehr_in Meta Meta Photo @indiewebcamp ! #indieweb #Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/926808519218675712)
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@koehr_in Meta Meta Photo @indiewebcamp! #indieweb #Berlin https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyvs9DUIAImE2C.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926808835632766977)
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp afternoon sessions going on @contentful. Interesting discussions, lots of good thoughts! #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyxAhVUIAEtq88.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926810281770209280)
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@xandruCea Discussion about #bookmarks at the #IndieWebCamp! @contentful https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyzGUGWsAAigQ9.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926812556940816385)
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@stefanjudis Just learned about the *.mhtml format. ? After lunch discussions at @indiewebcamp are really really informative. ?? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNy0da1UMAAE7ak.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926814083462189057)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#849" on 2017-11-04 https://doubleloop.net/2017/11/04/849/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Interesting read, Jeremy. Just on the plumbing side of things I'm currently thinking how I want a more comprehensive main page for myself (currently trying" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-11-04 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/interesting-read-jeremy-just-on-the-plumbing-side-of-things
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[eddie] Zegnat: would the u-Birthday pointing to your next birthday event or your “original” birth event? I can see both being interesting
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#851" on 2017-11-04 https://doubleloop.net/2017/11/04/851/
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sknebel on stream there should now be talk about neotoma, pesos, posse
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@DeciZone In &lt; 1min, 'Does IRS consider your independent contractor an employee?' https://www.decizone.com/publishedfc_load.action?id=ggiEoMlYfdJSgpu343SV3059i5sLFVE5h&utm_medium=s&utm_source=tdb&utm_campaign=r&param=4 #indieweb #alterconf #CanUX #Enterprise (twitter.com/_/status/926833959723417601)
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017 attendees @contentful #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNzKmj3X4AAFFs4.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926838499298430976)
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aaronpk good morning!
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aaronpk did I miss it?
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Loqi *yawn*
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Loqi misses it too
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GWG aaronpk: Yes.
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GWG It seems over
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GWG I could use a nap now
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@Sehulsshah In &lt; 1min, 'How to diagnose Network connection not working?' https://www.decizone.com/publishedfc_load.action?id=WXIbyJKKprStard91OnomJPhHp4XQ7Wu&utm_medium=s&utm_source=tsb&utm_campaign=r&param=4 #indieweb #SANSSeattle #alterconf #CanUX #Startup 4 (twitter.com/_/status/926844020218847233)
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aaronpk why are those tweets tagged #indieweb
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mrhenko Is there anyone here with experience in creating custom post types in WordPress and using them with the webmention plugin?
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GWG mrhenko: Did you declare support for webmentions in your custom post type?
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mrhenko That was what my question was going to be. Is this correct?
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mrhenko 'supports' => array( 'editor', 'webmentions' )
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GWG Yes
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GWG You would need that
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sknebel Berlin currently talkng about testing
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mrhenko GWG: I'm using that in the code but it doesn't seem to work.
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GWG mrhenko: Can you open an issue on the Github repository with the URL and the configuration and we'll try to troubleshoot?
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GWG mrhenko: Also, we have a wordpress room, if you want to join there
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GWG #indieweb-wordpress
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mrhenko Thanks!
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@jkphl Bug driven development™, Peer-to-Peer Testing™ ... — interesting testing strategies revealed at the #IndieWebCamp testing session #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNzWRZ6WAAE_R--.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/926851228511981568)
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@koehr_in @indiewebcamp https://github.com/alexsicart/Decentralized-Cloud/ could such a thing be interesting for the #indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/926896052401332224)
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@schmarty Your ~10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for Oct 28 - Nov 3, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/11/04/155507/ (twitter.com/_/status/926901602782498816)
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schmarty gosh, lots of news this week. a record ~12.5 minutes for TWITIWAE!
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aaronpk wow!
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aaronpk schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 25 karma in this channel (44 overall)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • October 28th - November 3rd, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/440146 (twitter.com/_/status/926902959652384769)
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raretrack 10 mins is just the right length to listen on my walk from home to the train station - any longer and I'll have to listen in two halves!
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schmarty raretrack: can your podcast player go 1.25x? ;}
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raretrack lol yeah i guess it can :)
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schmarty i think i may have spoken too quickly, to try and fit in more content. there were lots of indienews articles, podcast pieces, and links to indieweb-related pieces from the wiki this time around.
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schmarty (all great things!)
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@dougmckown @summerbrennan Check out some of the #indieweb solutions: https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/926910193761431552)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "WordCamp Riverside" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-04 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/04/wordcamp-riverside/
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@DeciZone In &lt; 1min, 'Should you consider installing solar panels on your roof?' https://www.decizone.com/publishedfc_load.action?id=o2Kzd2EcPxPTtZ93634LmhTs3v4hYu85e&utm_medium=s&utm_source=tdc&utm_campaign=r&param=4 #indieweb #SANSSeattle #CanUX #Startup 4 (twitter.com/_/status/926947218749362177)
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schmarty !spammer @DeciZone
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schmarty doesn't know the spam flagging command.
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schmarty doesn't see it on /Loqi
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aaronpk !block DeciZone
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Loqi Okay, I blocked "DeciZone" from all IndieWeb Twitter searches
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@Sehulsshah In &lt; 1min, 'How to confirm its not FAKE NEWS?' https://www.decizone.com/publishedfc_load.action?id=0Ovx3qZWbHIkZek423IWVoviiXNDvL9im&utm_medium=s&utm_source=tsc&utm_campaign=r&param=4 #indieweb #SANSSeattle #alterconf #CanUX #Enterprise #Startup 4 (twitter.com/_/status/926957249502826496)
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aaronpk :sigh:
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aaronpk i'm going to block that domain
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aaronpk !block decizone.com
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Loqi Okay, I blocked "decizone.com" from all IndieWeb Twitter searches