#indieweb 2017-11-05

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Loqi [superfeedr] "I feel the pressures felt by an Open IoT approach (which I personally support very strongly) are…" by Scott Jenson on 2017-11-05 https://medium.com/@scottjenson/i-feel-the-pressures-felt-by-an-open-iot-approach-which-i-personally-support-very-strongly-are-7b94f03336a1?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [superfeedr] "👓 Do Things that Don’t Scale by Paul Graham" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-04 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/03/do-things-that-dont-scale-by-paul-graham/
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@jackyalcine @MiQL I wonder what's a blocker. There's brid.gy as part of the IndieWeb movement (something I'm debating getting into) but eh (twitter.com/_/status/927064152606064640)
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@btconf Wishing everybody at day two of @indiewebcamp Berlin a great day! (twitter.com/_/status/927076447814082560)
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sknebel Good morning IndieWeb!
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amz3` are they any europe/paris indieweb camp in preparation?
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ScalaWilliam is there a standard way to include "latest updated" metadata in HTML like there is the Last-Modified HTTP header?
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@jkphl Wishing the kids and mentors over at @CoderDojoNBG a successful! Greetings from the @indiewebcamp Berlin 2017 #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN22sLHW4AIMprn.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927097982192889859)
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[markmhendrickso I've added Barcelona as a possible IndieWebCamp location for 2018 since I'd be happy to host an event there at my co-working space. Please put yourself down as interested if you are, and suggest timing if you prefer any particular dates: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Barcelona
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Zegnat amz3` see the https://indieweb.org/Planning page. Mark just added a possible Barcelona IWC
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Zegnat Good morning IWC
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amz3` tx
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Zegnat IWC Berlin is getting started, going around the room to see what people want to work on today - so people know who they might want to team up with
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017 Day 2 commencing. Hacking right away! #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN28s5LXkAE5CIG.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927104587395420160)
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sebsel Morning IndieWeb, hi Berlin :)
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sebsel [markmhendrickso Barcelona sounds nice!
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sknebel hi sebsel!
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sebsel I'll hack along today. Still in doubt of the project, but it has been way to long since I last wrote any IndieWeb code :)
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sknebel [markmhendrickso: that's one of the maybe interesting "one-dev one-user" projects I mentioned yesterday: https://gitlab.com/00dani/lemoncurry . Also, some people here use https://indieweb.org/ProcessWire , including I think a few of those sitting directly in front of you ;)
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sknebel sebsel: Zegnat and I have a project we promised whoever builds it drinks yesterday if you need one
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sknebel (Drinks can be converted to other consumable goods by preference)
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sebsel I have a list of my own, but suggestions are welcome ;)
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sknebel sebsel: we're still looking for a microformats parser output comparison tool
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sknebel sebsel: so something that takes markup, shows the output from all parsers and shows a diff if there is one
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sebsel sknebel ah that sounds very technical, but indeed nice to have
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Zegnat Yeah, at least 2 beers (or equivalent) have been pledged towards that tool. Sooo~ ;)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“Human beings are inherently misled into subjective fantasies, but there’s a saving grace. We all have different delusions. Other people don’t necessarily share yours, and" by Kevin Marks on 2017-11-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/human-beings-are-inherently-misled-into-subjective-fantasies-but-theres
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[kevinmarks] Sknebel I have a vague memory of something like that, but it may just have been for tests
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@CodingItWrong @deathsatchel since u told me about mastodon, are u familiar with indieweb? I heard a good @connect_js talk on it https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/927121591120617472)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/CodingItWrong/status/927121816384098304
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@CodingItWrong @deathsatchel @connect_js It’s like semantic markup except actually used for something and not nothing! (twitter.com/_/status/927121816384098304)
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@fredericmarx @indiewebcamp yak shaving level: Debugging async functions in Node.js static site generators with the ever-helpful @stefanjudis ?? (twitter.com/_/status/927137251385053184)
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@HeNeArXn @IndiewebcampDE Berlin Hackday milestone 1: Fixed Kaja’s autolink functionality (twitter.com/_/status/927138067793801216)
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@HeNeArXn Milestone 1 @IndiewebcampDE Berlin hack day: fixed Kaja's autolink functionality (twitter.com/_/status/927138499324710912)
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@HeNeArXn Milestone 1 @IndiewebcampDE Berlin hack day: robots.txts for all domains (twitter.com/_/status/927141634399195136)
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GWG How are things going in Berlin?
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sebsel oh, HeNeArXn is sknebel :o
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sebsel Yes, how are things going? Hope demo's will be streamed too :)
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sknebel Currently at lunch (at least some, others were still coding)
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sknebel Yes, we'll stream demos
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sebsel how many non-coding participants do you have?
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sebsel Or better Gen2-participants? :)
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sebsel (I tried to avoid 'non-dev', but 'non-coding' is still describing people by what they are / do not instead of what they are / do)
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GWG Countdown to demos?
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GWG What time?
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sknebel 195 minutes until DEMOS Sebsel gwg
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-11-05 4:31pm CET (#6205)
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sebsel :D
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GWG Sorry, I always get messed up on daylight saving time
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sebsel !date
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Loqi Now: 2017-11-05 13:26:31 CET Unixtime: 1509884791 Stardate: -305155.1911921 NewCal: 2017-6-4, New Friday, the 4th day of the sixth bim
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sebsel DST and European summer time are so weird together
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GWG I want it gone
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@sl007 @fredericmarx @indiewebcamp @stefanjudis ES6 proxies are awesome - just discovering https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44116831/fluent-async-api-with-es6-proxy-javascript/47070796#47070796 (twitter.com/_/status/927150992847667200)
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@HeNeArXn Milestone 3 @IndiewebcampDE Berlin hack day: improved and merged selfauth (https://github.com/inklings-io/selfauth) PRs with @martijnvdven (twitter.com/_/status/927165482435792898)
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[markmhendrickso I have to bounce early for the airport before demos in Berlin unfortunately, so I've posted about my work today in lieu of a presentation: http://markmhendrickson.com/post/sync-server-dropbox-api-version-2-fix
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@HeNeArXn intermission @IndiewebcampDE Berlin hack day: found a bug in Quill while posting progress updates (twitter.com/_/status/927176017692807170)
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Jeena Hm any idea how to reset the cache for indieauth on the wiki? It still redirects me to the indieauth.com website
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sknebel Jeena: one sec, I had that problem in the past
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sknebel Jeena: try fetching https://indieauth.com/auth/supported_providers.json?me= with your URL
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sknebel and then retry
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Jeena ok Zegnat explained to me that the wiki always sends people to indieweb.com
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Jeena so I'll try with https://unicyclic.com/ and https://telegraph.p3k.io
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Zegnat sknebel just told me that if you have NO rel="me" on your page at all, and only an IndieAuth end-point, then indieauth.com will also redirect instantly without showing buttons
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@stefanjudis Whoop whoop! ? As part of the @indiewebcamp hack day, I implemented cross-publishing from @contentful to @Medium for my personal site ? https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DN4HNwlX4AU9N-E.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927186651243311105)
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@HeNeArXn Milestone 4 @IndiewebcampDE Berlin hack day: fixed CSS issues on my blog. Now all links are correctly colored. (twitter.com/_/status/927188541586755586)
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aaronpk on a roll!
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aaronpk demos in 30 minutes?
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Jeena ah cool, then I'll remove my rel=mes
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Jeena by basic indie auth provider is 40 lines long
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Jeena (it reuses tha auth form from my website)
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aaronpk wow! is it posted online anywhere?
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@DKundel @stefanjudis @indiewebcamp @contentful @Medium Nice! Aee you using micropub for it? (twitter.com/_/status/927189458591670273)
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Jeena https://gist.github.com/jeena/e0316f9f62f4f0e9d941975e69102ff0
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Jeena it's only tested rudimentary and only implements the happy cases
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@stefanjudis @DKundel @indiewebcamp @contentful @Medium huh! Didn't know micropub... Thx. ? Went "normal" API calls. :) (twitter.com/_/status/927191471110934529)
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@DKundel @stefanjudis @indiewebcamp @contentful @Medium Saw a nice talk about it by @adactio at @viewsourceconf. Still have to dig into it ^^ (twitter.com/_/status/927191838573957120)
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sknebel aaronpk: yes, around then
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sknebel sebsel: do you want to remote demo something? or should one of us show something you made off?
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aaronpk i could demo my new story thing!
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sknebel we use zoom.us for streaming, so it might be possible to have you show something remote
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Jeena hm for some reason when I try to log in into the Wiki, and thus via indieweb.com, I get a error "Invalid response from the authorization server"
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aaronpk Jeena: try signing in to https://telegraph.p3k.io
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aaronpk it doesn't use indieauth.com at all
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Jeena https://indieauth.com/auth/indieauth/redirect?code=eyJhbGci...&state=ae83c085dba9d4eebc1702d20f984be1&me=https%3A%2F%2Fjeena.net%2F I think I am responding the right way, especially because Telegraph and unicicle don't throw any errors
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aaronpk oh telegraph is already good?
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aaronpk ah i see the problem
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aaronpk you shouldn't be using the params[:me] here https://gist.github.com/jeena/e0316f9f62f4f0e9d941975e69102ff0#file-indie_auth-rb-L32 since that would be using query string data
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk you need to return the full URL for your home page there, not using outside data
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Jeena I'm not quite following
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GWG When is the demos?
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Loqi Demos are IndieWeb projects with instructions on how to demonstrate them, preferably quickly like under a minute or so, and lists of demo sessions from past IndieWebCamps https://indieweb.org/Demos
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GWG What is that timer command again?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "that timer command again" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk Jeena: -> #indieweb-dev
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sknebel GWG demos are soon-ish. technically in 5 min, but it's going to be later
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GWG Post a message with the meeting info and I'll open Zoom?
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sknebel GWG will do as soon as I have one
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Loqi DEMOS Sebsel gwg
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2017-11-05 at 1:16pm CET
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sknebel GWG aaronpk sebsel
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sknebel stream https://zoom.us/j/5534529573
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GWG I'm in
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sknebel saw aaron for a second as well, so I assume it works
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GWG Yes
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GWG I popped up my image, then hid it so you knew I was around
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aaronpk wow my desk is a mess
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@jkphl Demo time at the @IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017! Livestream at https://share.zoom.us, ID 553-452-9573 (twitter.com/_/status/927198815148498944)
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Zegnat Stefan worked on own site, adding microformats for 35-45 minutes
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Zegnat Learned about POSE / PESOS yesterday
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sknebel (audio working?)
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aaronpk yep!
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Zegnat Worked on a lambda function for POSSEing from his website to Medium
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Zegnat Can just put the (contentful CMS?) post ID in there and have the lambda function (to be hosted on AWS) post to Medium
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sknebel also added a butto nfor it to backend ui
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Zegnat Also added a button to his website to automate triggering the lambda function
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aaronpk my face is really big lol. turning that off til i demo.
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Zegnat Up next Jeena
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Zegnat Working on IndieAuth endpoint
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Zegnat It is short but he can login to stuff
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Zegnat Basically rewrote the node one by oliver into ruby
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Zegnat Now showing off how he can sign in to Telegraph
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Zegnat When he is not logged in to his website he gets redirected to a login portal.
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Zegnat But if he is already logged in to his website (showing on unicyclic.com) he gets redirected straight away
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Zegnat Showing how the wiki sends you to indieauth.com, and that doesn’t work yet
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Zegnat jkphl has nothing to show, but talks about how he has been refactoring things
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Zegnat Nothing to show except broken code
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sknebel (in his typo3 plugin for webmentions)
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Zegnat ... has nothing to show because he couldn’t upload to his server
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Zegnat Website doesn’t show, so he has 0 friends now
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Zegnat [note: take name from intros, nurnberg guy, sorry!]
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sknebel alex-cio I think
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Zegnat webgefrickel up now
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Zegnat performance improvements for his blog
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Zegnat Was able to up his speed index slightly
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Zegnat Splitted his JS into two different bundles, and using script `nomodule` and script `module` to offer the different bundles to different browsers
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Zegnat The size difference thanks to this was the main optimization of the site
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Zegnat Scrap that: no effect, file size went up slightly
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Zegnat So not good for his blog, but might be good with future projects
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Zegnat doubleloop up next
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Zegnat was working on his jam posts
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Zegnat It is already working through WP post kinds plugin
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GWG I always like to see people using it
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Zegnat For his own interest: what microformats were being produced, see if the code was sensible
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Zegnat Tried combining it with testing, so he could test if the markup that was being rendered was actually correct
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Zegnat Shows track name, artist, and a link to playable version on his site
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Zegnat Ran the page through micrometa.jkphl.is
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Jeena I got my IndieAuth provider implementation working with aarons, just needed 2 more minutes, here is the link to the now working version https://gist.github.com/jeena/e0316f9f62f4f0e9d941975e69102ff0
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GWG Before tantek says anything, I had nothing to do with the h-as-note.
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Zegnat Using the WP postkinds plugin looks really good. h-entry with property jam-of, being an h-cite
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Zegnat h-card for song artist
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Zegnat For the URL he has been using musicbrainz
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Zegnat Good experience figuring out how the microformats work
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Zegnat The interfact of micrometa makes it especially nice to drill down through levels of nesting
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GWG Zegnat: Working on refactoring the Post Kinds plugin has been my hack weekend project
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Zegnat Planning to demo later, GWG?
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GWG Zegnat: How do you demo refactors?
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Zegnat Don’t know? Show code? Haha
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Loqi nice
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GWG Zegnat: I switched storage from a jf2 flattened format to mf2 json style, because Micropub(the WordPress plugin) was using it, and that made interoperability more likely. I convert to jf2 for output purposes.
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Zegnat On the testing side using an executable specification. With scenarios being specific “tests”. Uses phantomJS to take screenshots of the output page and he could then use visual diffs to see if he broke things
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sknebel also testing that the microformats still are intact
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Zegnat 2 scenarios: 1) checking the visual output, 2) checking the mf output
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Zegnat (sknebel did you catch what software was being used for the testing?)
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sknebel shows gherkin scenario that runs phantomjs
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Zegnat https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber ?
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Loqi [cucumber] cucumber: Cucumber monorepo - polyglot home for Cucumber building blocks
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sknebel (gherkin is the language used by cucumber)
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sknebel integrated php mf2 parser to be able to check mf2 in the tests
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Zegnat Showing a test where PHP Mf2 parser is used to pull out the h-cite of the h-entry to see if the author details are indeed an h-card with a specified name
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Zegnat This test code matches what he has described in his scenario
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Zegnat Going to live run the test now
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Zegnat runs through codeception
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Zegnat Waiting for the acceptance tests to come back positively
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sknebel using phpunit to run all tests
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Zegnat Trying to edit the theme so the test would failk
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Zegnat Doesn’t manage to do so.
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sknebel maybe mf1 backcompat
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Zegnat sgreger up next
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sknebel has been working on privacy topics
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Zegnat Strong dislike for cookie disclaimers
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sknebel so got rid of his cookies
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Zegnat Wouldn’t get far today, but needed to test his approach.
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sknebel added a privacy policy page
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Zegnat Wanted to start with kind of an audit
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Zegnat Having a policy makes it very clear what problems are still open to be fixed
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Zegnat https://sebastiangreger.net/privacy-policy/
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Zegnat There is both a technical version (for people like us) and a version that “even [his] mom would understand”
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sknebel all cookies explained and documented how to opt out of them
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Zegnat You can have DNT or opt-out of analytics to not get any cookies set
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Zegnat demo in a browser that does not do DNT and blocking
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Zegnat All his cookie work was documented on /cookie
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Zegnat Doesn’t consider analytics important
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Zegnat Figured out how to disable WP cookies (also documented)
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sknebel then removed piwik cookies completely, deactivated wordpress cookies
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sknebel (set when you comment, to remember name/mail/url)
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Zegnat WP by default sets a cookie as soon as you leave a comment
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Zegnat This might cross the line to show cookie popup, so better to disable
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Zegnat Having a checkbox to ask WP to remember the things might be an option, even under GDPR
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sknebel if not default on
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Zegnat Blocking leaving comments may be seen as forcing consent, which is not allowed
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sknebel not loading any files from external domains anymore
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Zegnat all external images get cached on his server
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Zegnat new proposal by EFF on how to deal with DNT, would require you to check all your third-parties and their DNT observence
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Zegnat Because your site would not comply if it loads something from a domain that does not comply
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Zegnat [insert link to EFF thing]
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Zegnat Deactivate all automatic embedding, has his own for Vimeo and YouTube
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sknebel worked on own way to replace embeds with static images
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Zegnat So he can show only a static poster image
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Zegnat Displays a text box over the image to inform the user about this
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Zegnat Can give them the option to not watch embedded, but on vimeo/youtube
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sknebel (tech question for later: does embedd really always leak referer?)
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Zegnat rel-noreferer to hide the information from the video silo
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Zegnat next up will be sketchess
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Zegnat Has been working on her site, been splitting the site for i18n
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Zegnat Wants the page to be responsive
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Zegnat Needs the page to load fast
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Zegnat And easy design, sticking to a layout inspired by paper
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Zegnat As she is used to writing e.g. PDFs, the paper layout works very well
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Zegnat Writing history of her site on the site itself
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Zegnat (en.picmodi.de)
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Zegnat Learning as she is going
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Zegnat But now it is ready to receive content
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Zegnat Wants to provide audio for the content so people not-reading can also gain access to tje content
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sgreger sknebel: thanks for the tollow-up question; that's one thing i still want to investigate (does iframe always leak referrer)
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sgreger ...for example learned today about the idea of chaining iframes (embed.ly seems to do that to hide the referrer)
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GWG sgreger: Keep me in the loop on the embed thing. I use embeds in the Post Kinds plugin and would want to integrate if you released.
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sgreger gwg: sure
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Zegnat Jan is pulling in posts through graphql
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Zegnat using graph.cool for now
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Zegnat publishing his first blogpost live on demo
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Zegnat A nodejs backend builds the website and pulls the data from graph.cool
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Zegnat Hoping to build his own GraphQL server to store all the data
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Zegnat Up next sknebel
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Zegnat Did a lot of tiny things and shows his homepage where he posted about them
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Zegnat Kaja now does more stuff! Most importantly: Kaja can now link definitions automatically on the wiki!
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Zegnat robots.txt files were added so search engines do not need to crawl subdomains with chat clients etc
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Zegnat went through the PR for selfauth with Zegnat
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Zegnat Documentation matches features
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Zegnat Noticed a bug in Quill: it splits tags on spaces even though Quill shows them differently
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Zegnat Fixed some small CSS things
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Zegnat child selector instead of general descendent selector
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Zegnat next up: aaronpk?!
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GWG We can see his Bose headphones.
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sknebel looking into audio
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Zegnat remote from portland
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sknebel can't hear you yet
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sknebel yes
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GWG Free book plug too?
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Zegnat aaronpk was working looking at stories yesterday
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Zegnat interesting idea that he was curious about actually using.
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Zegnat ephemeral content that expires after 24 hours
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Zegnat the content doesn’t have a URL and doesn’t accept likes/comments
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Zegnat Going to demo how it works.
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sknebel on his phone, takes picture
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Zegnat Can go and post it to his story
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Zegnat Using Workflow on iOS
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sknebel posts it to story
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Zegnat When he refreshes his homepage there is a ring around his display picture (like Instagram)
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Zegnat and clicking on it will show the photo he just uploaded
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Zegnat When it is grey (no new content) you can click on it to still get stories from the last 24 hours
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Zegnat Will be interesting to see what he ends up posting there
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sknebel (for now, mostly indiewebcat)
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sknebel stories might be a thing for me as well, not publicly archiving everything
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Zegnat treora up next
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sknebel e.g. I recently deleted some tweets after X hours
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Zegnat Norman and he worked on a thing together
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sknebel worked with norman
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Zegnat To simplify webmemex browser extension (based on an idea by Zegnat) to upload a snapshot to their own server
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Zegnat Because many IndieWebbers bookmark to their own site already, but do not get archive copies of the page
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sknebel one button extension, freeze-dries page and uploads it
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Zegnat So the idea was to have an extension that has a configurable URL to send to
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Zegnat Wanted to have the most simple protocol for sending the data
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Zegnat Ended up doing a POST with filedata embedded. Just like a normal HTML FORM
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Zegnat Norman made a test server, he made browser extension
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sknebel uploads, gives url where file was hosted
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Zegnat Server will respond with the URL where it is stored
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Zegnat You cannot yet click on the notification that comes up to open the file in the browser, but is being worked on
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sknebel currently just dumping HTTP request, so currently wrapped in form encoding. otherwise it's just HTML with everything frozen and inlined
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aaronpk this sounds like a micropub media endpoint!
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sknebel aaronpk: with auth for now, but yes!
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Zegnat Demoing with grabbing the xkcd homepage
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sknebel *without
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Zegnat All images and resources (even fonts) inlined as data uris
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Zegnat Quickly editting the file so we can see a snapshot in browser
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sknebel (gzipping might be useful ;))
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aaronpk what's the URL to this project?
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sknebel aaronpk: webmemex.org is the main project
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sknebel Zegnat now up
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sknebel showing selfauth and recent changes to it - primarily being able to customze scope for tokens
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sknebel then talks about WM verification
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sknebel question: "what are links in HTML"
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sknebel there is a long list of attributes, some if which can be URLs
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@jkphl Final @indiewebcamp Berlin 2017 demos at the @contentful FooBar. Awesome progress has been made! #btconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN4esZSW4AAtqnN.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927212329875529730)
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sknebel Wrote a PHP class that will extract all of those from a PHP DOM
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sknebel (will also handle resolving)
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GWG I am in PHP
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sknebel will publish it in the next few days
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sknebel spread link and looking forward to your bug requests
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sknebel treora: is your extension on github already?
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treora sknebel: almost!
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sknebel treora: ok, please report once you have it available :)
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aaronpk treora: did you say it also inlines images and other resources? so it's a self-contained html file?
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sknebel next calumryan
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Zegnat Link for LinkExtractor in development: https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/6b93c6e36682a9554a99696a11fa5fa4
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treora aaronpk: yes. I use (&made) this module for that: https://github.com/WebMemex/freeze-dry
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Loqi [WebMemex] freeze-dry: Snapshots a web page to get it as a static, self-contained HTML document.
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aaronpk awesome
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Zegnat calum has reworked the Jekyll webmention plugin
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sknebel looked into jekyill plugin on his website for webmention responses. last version can filter replies by types, so hid likes
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Zegnat Also introduced filtering RSVPs
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Zegnat Open PR for it
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Zegnat Also wanted to discuss his “Introducing the IndieWeb” website for onboarding
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sgreger treora++
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sgreger can't wait to integrate that with my bookmarking workflow!
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Zegnat Needs a good website address to put the website on
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Zegnat Bea and Frederic “played together”
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Zegnat justb3a.com
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sknebel frederic wanted to simplify his website, got lost in node details
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Zegnat Frederic’s plan didn’t pan out to update his website, to many rabbid holes
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sknebel bea now has a service worker with a chrome "offline dino"
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Zegnat Worked together with Bea on her site. It now has a jumping dinosaur
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Zegnat Service workers + template cache + nginx cache was bea’s main fields today which leaves not much to show
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Zegnat Up next Flo (derhess.de)
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Zegnat Planned to do IndieAuth stuff this morning, but was “too dumb” to set-up his virtual machine
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sknebel so worked on a blog post (not public yet)
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Zegnat Started instead on a new write-up. Writes about Webmentions
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sknebel about HWC Berlin webmention session
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Zegnat From notes from yesterday
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Zegnat and from HWC
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Zegnat Tried to make a flow chart of the process of sending webmentions
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Zegnat Much more a visual process of understanding webmentions
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Zegnat Pseudo code for the api on how a webmention then gets handled and what sort of replies to expect
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Zegnat This graphic will also show up in his post
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Zegnat Also a section on presenting the mentions, and what kind of patterns people are using
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Zegnat A pattern library for IndieWeb might be an interesting idea when people are doing many of the same sort of displays
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Zegnat GWG, sebsel?
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Zegnat Demoes?
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Zegnat Then we are rounding off!
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Zegnat jkphl thanks contentful for hosting us and the refreshments
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aaronpk jkphl++ thanks for organizing!!
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sebsel I'm afraid I don't have much to demo
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sebsel Zegnat++
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sebsel sknebel++
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sebsel for the demo report on IRC :)
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GWG I asked for some refreshments yesterday and they haven't reached me
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GWG I'd have demoed, but it is nothing new. It just removes a lot of roadblocks to new things
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@m_ott @jkphl @indiewebcamp By the way: What happened to our personas from last year? ;) cc @isabelanastasa @sebastiangreger @jansauer @derhess (twitter.com/_/status/927218968271650816)
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@xandruCea The #IndieWebCamp is over and I did some updates on my website. Nothibg too big... but different #indiedev alex-cio.de https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN4tZI0X4AIB8YA.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927228490100899840)
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tantek "only" ?
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk my site looks so blank without it!
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sebsel yaay!
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sebsel you had a grid pattern before you had the card, if I recall correctly
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aaronpk yeah like graph paper
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sebsel reminds me of https://a-k-apart.com/ :)
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KartikPrabhu wow that is a lot for background image!
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aaronpk yay and fixed the auto-rotation for story images
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sebsel KartikPrabhu It was 1,7 MB as a PNG :P
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aaronpk yeah that was a bit excessive :)
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sebsel Oh, I wanted to click on the story to skip to the next photo, but that doesn't work yet
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aaronpk yeah there's no navigation within the story
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aaronpk if you refresh the home page it'll start playing from just the new stories tho
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tantek clearly has some logs to catch up on
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aaronpk heh
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[miklb] aaronpk are you using anything like ImageOptim for that bg image?
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aaronpk no it's just converted using imagick
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snarfed imagemagick++
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petermolnar aaronpk how about making it to svg, pushing it into the background with z-index?
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aaronpk it's not a static file, it changes based on where i am. my source data is raster, not SVG.
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petermolnar have you tried flattaning the colors and keep it png?
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petermolnar so 8bit png
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petermolnar "-colors 255" for imagemagick
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petermolnar I think
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petermolnar "-type Palette" might work as well
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aaronpk not sure how that translates to the php library
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petermolnar http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/formats/#png_formats
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petermolnar https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10348743/how-to-convert-png32-to-png8-via-imagick-in-php
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petermolnar second answer
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aaronpk heh it looks really bad and is also still bigger than the jpg
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar that's kind of unexpected :/
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aaronpk it changed a bunch of colors. it might need some sort of hint at a color palette to use, tho it should have been able to figure it out from the source
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petermolnar can you please send me an original, large png one?
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petermolnar I'm curious to test it
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aaronpk sure
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/background-map.png
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petermolnar ok, jpeg wins
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petermolnar unless you want to go webp
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@frankmeeuwsen [Blogpost over het #Indieweb] Wat is Micropub? http://diggingthedigital.com/Micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/927256634329624576)
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sebsel Oh, Dutch blogposts about the IndieWeb.
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Loqi [indienews/nl] New post: http://diggingthedigital.com/Micropub/ (from https://seblog.nl/2017/11/05/2/micropub)
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Loqi [indienews/nl] New post: http://diggingthedigital.com/Indieweb/ (from https://seblog.nl/2017/11/05/3/eigen-huis-op-indieweb)
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sebsel For the archives :)
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aaronpk I should make indienews use that thing that turns a Web page into a single file for archiving
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sebsel Frank already reached out to Zegnat (and me, via Zegnat). Not sure if he found the IRC channel yet.
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sebsel Time to mail him back
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[kevinmarks] Shame data urls only support base64.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decentralized Web Pt 3: Join the IndieWeb" by Michael McCallister on 2017-09-11 https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/decentralized-web-pt-3-indieweb/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Welcome Back! Let’s fight for an Open Web" by Michael McCallister on 2017-05-02 https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/welcome-back-lets-fight-for-an-open-web/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decentralized Web Pt 2: Surveillance and Privacy" by Michael McCallister on 2017-06-20 https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/decentralized-web-surveillance-privacy/
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tantek Does superfeedr resend results like that when there are updates to the articles?
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