#indieweb 2017-11-06

2017-11-06 UTC
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@jamesshelley I'm signing on and standing up for the #indieweb cause https://jamesshelley.com/2017/11/05/im-signing-on-and-standing-up-for-the-indieweb-cause/ (twitter.com/_/status/927353676611584001)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I’m signing on and standing up for the #indieweb cause | James Shelley" https://jamesshelley.com/2017/11/05/im-signing-on-and-standing-up-for-the-indieweb-cause/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/11/05/15/)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I’m signing on and standing up for the #indieweb cause" by James Shelley on 2017-11-06 https://jamesshelley.com/2017/11/05/im-signing-on-and-standing-up-for-the-indieweb-cause/
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gRegorLove Ooh, new Google Calendar design. New to me at least; just noticed the button.
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aaronpk I've been too scared to click it
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@ballpointcarrot Good post on moving your content out of social media so you control it: https://jamesshelley.com/2017/11/05/im-signing-on-and-standing-up-for-the-indieweb-cause/ (twitter.com/_/status/927381119821004801)
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gRegorLove Some screenshots: I'm liking it so far. Checking if you can switch it back. https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/7541906?p=calendar_web_new&hl=en
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gRegorLove Yeah, there's a "Back to Classic" button under settings after you switch
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gRegorLove Shows more details in the popover for an event instead of clicking through to the event
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tantek huh, just got a "direct photo" and a "direct video" from FB
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tantek looks like more expiring content
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tantek "After you close this, you can see it one more time within 24 hours."
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jjuran What is a memory hole?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "memory hole" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek jjuran - haven't seen that term used in any UX anywhere - where did you see it? conceptual? or in an actual UI?
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jjuran Nineteen-eightyfour.
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jjuran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
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[kevinmarks] Orwell++
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Loqi orwell has 1 karma
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@frankmeeuwsen [Er is meer dan Facebook en Twitter] Een eigen huis op het IndieWeb http://diggingthedigital.com/Indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/927466875445039104)
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@jkphl @adactio @sonniesedge Hey Jeremy! ? Missed you here at the @indiewebcamp the last 2 days — next time again! (twitter.com/_/status/927499570380267520)
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@sonniesedge @jkphl @adactio @indiewebcamp Get over for the next one! (twitter.com/_/status/927501526561681408)
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@calum_ryan Super thanks to @jkphl @contentful for hosting a fantastic IndieWebCamp Berlin ?? (twitter.com/_/status/927510604511956992)
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treora Zegnat: "a URI reference may be a relative-path reference, in which case the first path segment cannot contain a colon (":") character." (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986)
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treora Solves the potential ambiguity we worried about
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@martijnvdven About to go sightseeing in #Berlin. Any #IndieWeb folks left after the weekend who are strolling around too? (twitter.com/_/status/927517532004802560)
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Zegnat Good find treora! More a topic for #indieweb-dev as to not confuse people though ?
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treora Sure, I didn't know there were more channels. Any others I should know about?
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Zegnat indieweb.org/discuss has them all
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Zegnat Time to sightsee, have a good one all!
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[kevinmarks] just saw this - presumably Tantek will be there https://www.meetup.com/sfhtml5/events/244284078
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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@Numrush Asterix en de Indieweb Community http://dlvr.it/PzVlkT https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN9G_GnVoAUSLPV.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927538104021409798)
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@nieuws_media Asterix en de Indieweb Community http://ift.tt/2y9yzcM (twitter.com/_/status/927539161606840321)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decentralized Web Pt 4: Progress and Setbacks" by Michael McCallister on 2017-11-06 https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/11/06/decentralized-web-pt-4-progress-setbacks/
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@frankmeeuwsen Ik schreef nog wat over het #indieweb : Asterix en de Indieweb Community http://numrush.nl/2017/11/06/asterix-en-de-indieweb-community/ via @numrush (twitter.com/_/status/927539457032679424)
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Zegnat sknebel and I have spoken about how often check-ins should be done for them to make sense. And people who were checking in to every train stop. But I totally get the usecase now! I've seen my GPS fail several times on the Berlin U-Bahn so I found myself checking in to at least the start and end stations so I would be able to recreate my trip.
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sknebel Zegnat: interesting point. I normally can do that with a map, but it might make it easier
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Zegnat I don't know Berlin. I will just see my GPS disappear and reappear with no clue. Would require finding closest stations and lines. Having the check in solves the busy work.
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treora sknebel, Zegnat, aaronpk (or anyone interested): I put the snapshot+upload extension here: https://github.com/Treora/snapshoot
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Loqi [Treora] snapshoot: Snapshot and upload a webpage
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sknebel Treora++ awesome
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Loqi treora has 2 karma
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aaronpk awesome
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treora server url is still hardcoded to localhost:8000 though :)
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@Moturoais Have an #indie ? An #indieweb , #indiefilm , think about putting it on our Roku channel Moturoais Home | CONTACT https://www.moturoais.com/contac (twitter.com/_/status/927582000373956609)
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@derhess @m_ott @jkphl @indiewebcamp @isabelanastasa @sebastiangreger @jansauer as far as I know @jkphl , @sebastiangreger and some others continued this project at the last @IndieWebCampDE in Nuremberg. It might ongoing (twitter.com/_/status/927589065544945666)
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Zegnat treora++
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Loqi treora has 3 karma
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@keithjgrant Get on the IndieWeb https://twitter.com/manton2/status/927583676656996352 (twitter.com/_/status/927590851802554368)
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@Vance_nl Asterix en de Indieweb Community http://dlvr.it/PzY6hN https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN-MqFWUEAAys-y.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/927614705350275072)
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sknebel something we talked about yesterday evening: aaronpk showed his stories implementation. Would a "reader" for those happen if more ppl published them, or would providng a machine readable variant of them mean people would use readers that don't respect the ephemeral design and break the idea behind it all?
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aaronpk I was thinking about that
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aaronpk I mean you can always screenshot Instagram stories. I don't think the ephemerality of it is a security thing
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sknebel we know that silos aren't technically ephemeral as well (at the last level, screenshots are a thing people take, or see snapchat leaks), but still the UI is an important part of the experience
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sknebel and e.g. would you put out a normal feed of them, or would you use some other mechanism that does *something* different so do not just put that in my feedreader and get them all archived? or is it my fault if I don't get the experience you intended because I use a reader following the wrong model?
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sknebel weird overlap between UI, social convention (most people treat things presented as ephemeral as such, at least most of the time) and tech
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aaronpk I think the other aspects are more critical than the ephemerality: not receiving or showing comments, and not having a permanent url
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sknebel interesting
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aaronpk theres no way for someone to refer to a past item in the story except for screenshotting it and posting it themselves
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sknebel *f5* or link to the image file that's still online
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sknebel but the "you can't refer to it easily" (and as a consequence "can't easily send *you* a message/feedback about it") is an interesting aspect
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aaronpk I should probably make my image URLs expire too
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk That would force a reader to copy the image if they really wanted to see it after the 24h
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[chrisaldrich] I think Instagram's stories were originally mean to copy/allow them to compete with Snap chat, but the disappearing thing now seems to be more about FOMO (aka fear of missing out) and drives repeat eyeballs to their service on a regular basis.
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[chrisaldrich] I think it also separates the people who want their IG feed to be "well manicured" places of "beauty" while the stories are an easy way to document the throw-away photos they don't want living around forever.
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[chrisaldrich] By way of comparison, iIt allows people to have the messiness of the old MySpace while still maintaining the crispness of the Facebook UI.
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Zegnat Instagram does allow sending a private photo or message response to a story. Messenger allows that too, and also allows sending a private reacji in response.
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dgold has there been any brainstorming on the 'star-rating' paradigm?
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sknebel dgold: in what context? visitors leaving a rating on your stuff?
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dgold no - as in rating things on review
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dgold i'm finding the star-ratings I've been giving books, say, to be horribly restrictive, fitting the needs of merchants as opposed to readers
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dgold I mean, a three-star rating - what does that mean?
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aaronpk what is a review?
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Loqi h-review is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up review posts on web sites https://indieweb.org/review
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aaronpk heh
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dgold e.g. Goodreads has the stars as meaning "did not like it", "it was ok", "liked it", "really liked it" & "it was amazing"
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aaronpk screenshot and add to /review!
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aaronpk that sounds like good research
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aaronpk I did a whole writeup of the amazon review UI https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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[chrisaldrich] There was some discussion of thumbs up/down for Netflix several weeks ago, though I'm not sure it was documented into the wiki at the time.
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dgold hmmm, how can I screen-grab alt-text?
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aaronpk usually the keyboard shortcut for full screen capture grabs it
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[eddie] I like Amazon's stars a bit better. It makes more sense to me that the middle start is basically like a 0
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dgold yes, fullscreen caught it
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dgold will write up on the morrow
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GWG Good day
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tantek Good day GWG
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GWG How goes?
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GWG On topic how goes. My off topic how goes will be limited to indieweb-chat
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tantek decent. I'm at W3C TPAC, and at lunchtime I challenged the Web Payments Working Group to come up with an example of their tech with a UX at least as good as tantek.com/pay :D
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aaronpk oh this should be good
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tantek yeah good times
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tantek aaronpk and that's without the paymount amount param! (might have to build/deploy that this week :) )
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tantek aaronpk have you thought about also specifying the "reason" or what it is "for" or alternate verbs for "pay" in the payment URL?
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tantek (specifically the UX of sharing such URLs)
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tantek (hence #indieweb rather than #indieweb-dev)
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aaronpk hm i like it
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aaronpk that wouldn't get transferred over to the payment processor, but at least it would make the payment request screen look a little nicer
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aaronpk at that point it starts acting very similar to an invoice!
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aaronpk in which case, I might want to actually save that text to be able to refer to it later
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aaronpk which is starting to sound like creating a payment request *post*
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GWG Well, a payment request is fulfilled by a payment fulfillment.
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tantek aaronpk I added a bit to brainstorming about this
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tantek are you sure it wouldn't get transferred over? I thought both Venmo and Paypal had the ability to specify reason, at least in the UI they do - so it's a question as to whether a link can auto-fill that
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aaronpk obvious guesses aren't working so i don't think so
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tantek might be in API docs
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tantek taking that to dev
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GWG Has anyone ever seen Google's Timeline in Review emails?
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Zegnat I have finally finished what I set out to do during IWC! Moved to a different hosting provider :D https://licit.li/5a00f446234ba
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gRegorLove Zegnat: Congrats! That can be a painful process :)
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gRegorLove GWG: I don't think I have. What is it?
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Zegnat Thankfully I didn’t have to do it alone, gRegorLove
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GWG gRegorLove: I got sent it yesterday. I would like to build an Indieweb version
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GWG Let me see if I can post it
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gRegorLove The Google Maps timeline?
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GWG The Review Email
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GWG I'm uploading it now
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