j12tHey everybody, I'm thinking of creating a very user-friendly end-to-end tutorial -- text, screen shots, screen videos perhaps -- for How To Set Up a Perfect Indieweb Site on Amazon EC2. From start to finish, documenting every click and command.
[miklb]not sure what you had in mind, but there are tutorials out there on deploying Jekyll from GitHub with CI like Travis/CircleCI to an s2 bucket. There are already a few tools for IW Jekyll
j12tIMHO anybody who runs their own site has a periodic time tax, if for nothing else than moderating comments/spam. Otherwise what's the point of the site?
j12tSo I'm not proposing to solve all the world's problems or do the absolutely best / most agreeable thing. I'd just like to have at least one (could be several) extremely detailed end-to-end tutorial how to get Wordpress or Known up the Indieweb style.
j12tObviously I'd use UBOS for that, because it becomes much simpler. EC2 isn't going to be simpler, but it just boils down to "accept the default 5 times in the wizard" in my experience.
j12tHere's what I'm thinking. 1) Outline: to run your own Indieweb Wordpress site, you need to do the following XXX steps (choose a host/server, log on/..., install Wordpress, install plugins, configure this/that etc).
LoqiBy using WordPress on your own domain, you are already a part of the IndieWeb. Below are some suggestions to help you get started with upgrading your WordPress site to support IndieWeb philosophies https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_with_WordPress
tantekj12t - join #indieweb-wordpress and chat about it with GWG and [chrisaldrich] who have been working hard on iterating that with experience with actual WordPress users
j12tI want an entirely different level of detail than a page like this. Like if there is a tar file to unpack (as an example), I want the exact command with the exact syntax
j12tWhat about this: I get my thoughts in order, and create a few (separate, unlinked) pages. I solicit feedback and improvements from IRC. I can do the low-level install part, but I'm not quite the right guy to get, say, bridgy optimally integrated. Would love some help on this.
[manton]j12t Catching up... It's an interesting question of whether "site deaths" applies when you have your own domain name and the content is portable. Technically yes, any hosting platform can shut down. Micro.blog-hosted sites are compatible with Jekyll for this reason, so it's easy to move.
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[jeremycherfas]@tantek I like micro.blog a lot too, but I would argue that at the moment WithKnown is more indieweb capable out of the box. Of course, that may change as mb adds bookmarks , rsvps etc
@webrockerseit vormittag in online marketing workshop bei $kunden. als indieweb, privacy, thisisforeveryone mensch drehts den magen 8x um, was 'digital lead agency' da absondert… und wie geil _alle_ auf fb pixel, tag manager, retargeting etc sind. in dem web will ich nicht mehr arbeiten. (twitter.com/_/status/931153681608859649)
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@kevinmarks#FHIRdevdays17 Eyal Oren: Standards work is hard -if you do it right, nobody notices your work; if you do it wrong, nobody uses it and doesn't see your work (twitter.com/_/status/931139250027941888)
Zegnat[manton], re the site-death and micro.blog thing previously: do you have any statistics on how many people have tried backupping / exporting their micro.blogs?
ZegnatI can’t imagine a way to track other people setting up Jekyll elsewhere. But you could track exporting behaviour if it goes through export options.
[manton]@Zegnat I've never looked, but I'm sure it's not a large percentage, since it does require GitHub knowledge. It pushes directly to a repository so there's nothing to remember to manage or export.
[manton]The way I've approached it is that the best "export" is actually a full mirror of HTML, Markdown, images, and Jekyll config, all the time. So that's where Micro.blog started. But it's admittedly kind of advanced... There needs to be a few simpler options.
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tantekmanton, would it be possible to produce a single HTML h-feed page as an export with all the images etc.? Then users could "simply" use their browser "Save Webpage" function to save all the files locally.
[manton]Yeah, I don't see why not! Right now the home page HTML does have h-feed but it'll be limited to only recent posts. Could produce one that was all posts too.
[manton]It feels like a better standard for blog import/export is needed. WordPress essentially uses RSS with their own extensions, which is fine, but it's not obvious how to include photos in that. (For Micro.blog, I parse the WordPress import file, look for img tags, and then download them all... But that assumes they're still online!)
[eddie]Strictly hypothetical, If one was posting to their website with their voice with a random voice assistant, but the voice assistant just immediately posted the contents without allowing the user to correct the item if there was an issue, would it make sense for the voice assistant to post immediately or would it be smart to have some sort of buffer area where you would have to go and manually click "send"?
[eddie]The downfall of the latter case is it removes the ability to be "hands-free". The benefit being that you prevent some potentially really strange posts from appearing on your site
[eddie]Yeah, lol tough call. I guess I could also just add a setting in the app that allows a person to choose "Post immediately" or "Save Voice Created posts as Draft"
[eddie]Yeah so 1: they don't tend to like hacks, and 2: the intent also relates to how you talk to Siri. So currently I say "Create a note using Indigenous" or "Post a note using Indigenous" and it does it. With a task you would have to literally start using words related to tasks
[eddie]ohhh you can customize the UI, maybe I could add a special button that allows them to tap in the moment. I'll have to look more into the UI side of Siri
sknebelsend delay is a feature where new posts or messages are kept as drafts for a short time before being published/sent, allowing the user to cancel or edit them before it is to late to do so.
[eddie]" However, your view controllers do not receive touch events or any other events while they are onscreen, and you cannot add gesture recognizers to them. Therefore, never create an interface with controls or views that require user interactions." ?
[manton]eddie I'll be watching this to see how it goes! I had "Siri" on my to-do list for a while as well, but wasn't sure how it would work in practice with the possibility for mistakes.
[eddie]oh! I just thought of something, I wonder if you save it as a draft and then send a local notification that asks what they want to do with it, with the option to send or edit (and of course they can also ignore the notification)
@voxpelli@maggerbo Glad you like it! A media-endpoint would certainly make sense to add. At the moment I’m not able to spend any time on any IndieWeb-projects unfortunately though ? But feel free to add an issue and we can track it there ? (twitter.com/_/status/931215712051449858)
[eddie]Apple has a nice interface for verifying sending messages (like text messages) to recipients, just wish that was available for creating notes as well. I guess I should probably send that feedback to Apple. lol
Zegnat"Send a message to EddieHinkle.com that says......." - isn’t too farfetched, you could then post to different micropub endpoints from the same app
[eddie]aaronpk: I definitely want to do it... not sure how much I want to make public though, might be one of my first major cases for private posts so I can have a private view of it
[eddie]Zegnat: That's true. I was thinking of doing different micropub endpoints as different "notebook folders" originally, but sending a message definitely seems like a good alternative
[eddie]Awesome, I'll have to test out the "send message pathway" then because it is much nicer with the confirmation screen. It allows you to "Send or Cancel" either by voice or by tapping on the screen
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[eddie]tantek That is definitely interesting as well. That is actually what landed me on his website to begin with, and that's when I noticed the life in weeks
tantekBuster's a smart, kind, individual. And that was from knowing him years ago, I can only imagine where he's at today, but nice to see all this on his own site
j12tIn your experience, do people usually have difficulties purchasing domain names? Starting to write a tutorial, and I wonder whether I need to cover this.
Loqi By using WordPress on your own domain, you are already a part of the IndieWeb. Below are some suggestions to help you get started with upgrading your WordPress site to support IndieWeb philosophies https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_with_WordPress
[jeremycherfas] J12t I can help, even if it is only testing your script.
@kevinmarks “People are being distorted by very finely trained AIs that figure out how to distract them” - timbl https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/15/tim-berners-lee-world-wide-web-net-neutrality #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/931057095855587328)
@webrocker seit vormittag in online marketing workshop bei $kunden. als indieweb, privacy, thisisforeveryone mensch drehts den magen 8x um, was 'digital lead agency' da absondert… und wie geil _alle_ auf fb pixel, tag manager, retargeting etc sind. in dem web will ich nicht mehr arbeiten. (twitter.com/_/status/931153681608859649)
@manton2 IndieWebCamp Austin set for December: http://www.manton.org/2017/11/indiewebcamp-austin-set-for-december.html (twitter.com/_/status/931182337349636096)
[manton] It feels like a better standard for blog import/export is needed. WordPress essentially uses RSS with their own extensions, which is fine, but it's not obvious how to include photos in that. (For Micro.blog, I parse the WordPress import file, look for img tags, and then download them all... But that assumes they're still online!)
Zegnat Some thoughts on packing websites into files from Berlin: https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin/bookmarks
[eddie] Strictly hypothetical, If one was posting to their website with their voice with a random voice assistant, but the voice assistant just immediately posted the contents without allowing the user to correct the item if there was an issue, would it make sense for the voice assistant to post immediately or would it be smart to have some sort of buffer area where you would have to go and manually click "send"?
@voxpelli @maggerbo Glad you like it! A media-endpoint would certainly make sense to add. At the moment I’m not able to spend any time on any IndieWeb-projects unfortunately though ? But feel free to add an issue and we can track it there ? (twitter.com/_/status/931215712051449858)
snarfed just discovered https://siftrss.com/ . using it to filter replies out of a mastodon user feed. works great!
ben_thatmustbeme good afternoon tantek
@ChrisAldrich The more I think about archiving the web this week, the more value and stability I think that the W3C's Webmentions spec could be adding to the internet and copies of it. #DtMH2017
https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/931246642287841281)
@huffduffer Episode 79: IndieWebCamp venue | Timetable https://huffduffer.com/aaronpk/442448 (twitter.com/_/status/931275987186196481)