#indieweb 2017-11-17

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j12t
aaronpk: is there any way in the indiweb.org MediaWiki setup to use custom CSS? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CSS#See_also I'm having a hard time writing anything comprehensible in my tutorial without some improved formatting ...
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aaronpk
Check out the source of the home page
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j12t
aaronpk: what am I looking for?
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aaronpk
there's custom CSS on the page
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j12t
You mean all the complicated in-line span styles? I was hoping it could be avoided by adding a separate CSS file using one of the methods in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CSS#See_also
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aaronpk
there's an example at the very bottom
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j12t
view-source:https://indieweb.org/ ? Which line? Or which section in the markup?
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j12t
ahh ... another trick I didn't know. That will likely work. Thanks.
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j12t
Q: Do we have canonical spelling: "IndieWebSite" or "Indie Web Site" or "indie website" or ...?
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aaronpk
doesn't answer your question exactly, but close: https://indieweb.org/style-guide
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j12t
Can we pick one and add it there? I suggest "Indie Website" (In analogy to "Indie Web")
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j12t
I'm just going out on a limb and add this there, better to have a convention than none. Feel free to change to something better.
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jjuran
“indie website” and “IndieWeb site” mean two different things
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jjuran
IMO “IndieWeb” or “indieweb” should always be without a space, unless you’re referring to the indie web in general, rather than the indieweb movement in particular
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j12t
jjuran: if those mean different things to you, can you define which is which?
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jjuran
j12t: Well, an indie website is any website that can be considered in some way independent.
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jjuran
Whereas I’d argue an indieweb site would specifically implement features discussed on the indieweb wiki, and must at the very least have rel=me.
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jjuran
“Indieweb site” could even refer just to indieweb.org.
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jjuran
TL;DR: “indieweb” is a proper noun.
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aaronpk
add to that wiki page plz :)
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jjuran
ok, which page?
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jjuran
oh, style guide
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-17.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[miklb]
So my original idea was to keep social interactions and notes on my current domain and blog on different domains. Now I’m thinking I want to move all my notes & social interactions to a personal domain and do all blogging on my current site. But I can’t wrap my head around if I can still send/receive webmentions for the blog posts.
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[chrisaldrich]
It's doable miklb. You just need to double up on the rel-me links in Twitter and Instagram.
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[miklb]
Twitter would be the only one. So if I put one of the URLs in the bio field I’m good?
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[chrisaldrich]
Sadly I don't think bridgy will let you do more than two sites per Twitter account though.
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[chrisaldrich]
Yes in the bio field.
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[miklb]
I’m good with 2. Thanks!
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[chrisaldrich]
There's a page about multi site strategy somewhere that should have that on it.
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[miklb]
I checked the rel-me page and didn’t see anything. I’ll look for multisite
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[chrisaldrich]
The bridgy faq has it documented I think
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[miklb]
yes, it does mention links in bio field and links to the issue for that in GitHub
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[miklb]
OK, cool. That’s pretty much all I need then with my current plan.
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[miklb]
snarfed++
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Loqi
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[chrisaldrich]
You can also keep one site and split out feeds or create menu links so it appears the content is separate. It's doable...
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[miklb]
sure, I thought about that, but decided against it.
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017
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[miklb]
I like the idea of having michaelbishop.me as my primary social web presence but keeping my almost 13 year old blog for just posts
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[chrisaldrich]
Though I also have my Known site for some of that as well and just can't seem to give it up... :)
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[mrkrndvs]
chrisaldrich could I have one site where a reader can subscribe to one part, say a particular category? Wondering about moving my newsletter from TinyLetter to my Collect site
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ancarda
Good morning, IndieWeb!
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Zegnat
[mrkrndvs] a reader should be able to subscribe to any feed with its own permalink. Those don’t have to be on the root domain. example.com/newsletter could be you feed for the “ether and feature an h-feed for readers
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Zegnat
Also: good morning
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[mrkrndvs]
@zegnat I will have to investigate further. Thanks
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[mlopatka]
Hey! not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here it goes: I saw in some very old backlog of Mozilla weekly announcements that IndieWebCamp used to do homebrew Website club in Amsterdam NL. I am wondering if any of the folks who were involved in organizing that would be interested in rekindling a (monthly) homebrew website club event? or more simply, how I can get in touch with the (former?) local organizers of the Amsterdam homebrew webs
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Zegnat
You are now in touch with one of the organisers, [mlopatka] ;)
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Zegnat
I have sadly moved from the Netherlands to Sweden. sebsel (seblog.nl) used to organise the NL events with me and he is still interested to get something going again, but limited on time as he recently got a new job and became co-organiser on NMGN.tech meet-ups (Nijmegen).
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Zegnat
Frank (http://frankmeeuwsen.com/) recently got in touch with me asking about meet-ups in NL too. I forwarded him to sebsel. So there may or may not be something in the pipelines!
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Zegnat
There definitely seems to be an interest again :)
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[mlopatka]
@Zegnat thanks! I am a remote Mozilla employee based in Amsterdam, and I have a space where we could host it. I'd love to see this get rolling again!
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Zegnat
Venue is always a problem, if you have a space that’s a great start!
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[mlopatka]
How would you recommend that I get in touch with them to coordinate something
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[mlopatka]
Yeah, I assumed that venue would be a problem. I am working at a shared workspace that is very keen to host this kind of event, weve done a few hackathons in the past so the infrastructure is perfect
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Zegnat
Sebsel probably reacts to webmentions. I am not seeing any other contact info on his page, which surprises me, and makes me a little hesitant to giving out his contact info
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[mlopatka]
yeah, I also checked there first
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[mlopatka]
do you feel comfortable sending him my contact info?
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cweiske
whois?
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Zegnat
[mlopatka] I am happy to relay anything
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Zegnat
whois seems to be anonymised, cweiske
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[mlopatka]
mlopatka@mozilla.com
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Zegnat
I’ll ping sebsel privately and make sure he sees this chat ?
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[mlopatka]
can you just let him know that I'd be very happy to help revive the amsterdam edition of the homebrew website club if he is interested, and that he can reach out to me if interested
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[mlopatka]
thank you @Zegnat
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[jeremycherfas]
Once again, find myself wishing I lived in Amsterdam.
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Zegnat
Email sent, [mlopatka] :)
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Zegnat
I loved the time I was living just outside of Amsterdam. Too bad my job gave me several hour commutes daily and I could never connect with the community there :(
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@ChrisAldrich
@cswordpress Kudos on your new wiki userpage! I compiled a page with some resources to make it easier for you to find Indieweb community members to follow: https://indieweb.org/people
(twtr.io/1YRgr9vHzYG)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "@cswordpress Kudos on your new wiki userpage! I compiled a page with some resources to make it easier for you to find Indieweb community members" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-17 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/cswordpress-kudos-on-your-new-wiki-userpage-i-compiled-a
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sebsel
Morning Indieweb :)
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sebsel
Just got Zegnat's ping
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sebsel
scrolls through logs
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Zegnat
Look all, I successfully summoned a sebsel ;) Haha
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Loqi
haha
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sebsel
Yeah, since I got a job from monday to thursday I'm less able to keep an eye on the IRC channel.
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sebsel
I will take the feedback and think about a contact page though ;)
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sknebel
good morning everyone!
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sebsel
One problem I'm having with HWC is that it's on Wednesday (the only day I cannot take off) and it starts at 17:30 (I work till 18:00 and have to cycle 30 minutes.)
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sebsel
I believe 20:00 is more common around here in the Netherlands, so I am kind of tempted to stick with that.
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sknebel
sebsel: really no need to stick to the official times if that doesn't fit your schedule
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sebsel
Oh and Berlin is on Thursdays, that might work better for me too ;)
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sknebel
yes. we had conflicts on wednesday all the time, so we moved
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Zegnat
The Netherlands following Berlin could be fun. Even more fun if both (low attendance) meetups would then call into the Mumble server ;)
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sknebel
we tried mumble yesterday (me calling into berlin)
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sknebel
but we switched to skype since at least on the android app they couldn't get any useful echo cancellation to work
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sknebel
might have been user error, but has to be investigated
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sknebel
if you are a group, push2talk doesn't work so well
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GWG
Morning
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Loqi
good morning!
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[mlopatka]
sebsel would you be interested in a one-off HWC Amsterdam meeting on a Thursday to see if we can get some attendance?
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Jeena
I you
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Jeena
wrong chanel ^^
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sebsel
[mlopatka] Yes! I was in the process of sending you an e-mail about it, but something came up. November 30th might be a nice one, since there's a HWC in Berlin on that day too.
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sebsel
I'll send you a quick e-mail now.
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[kevinmarks]
BTW B. Offers free meetups
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[kevinmarks]
Only food if you are out that side of town I suppose
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Zegnat
Does “side of town” really matter in Amsterdam?
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Zegnat
(Most of the people we know of for HWC the Netherlands aren’t in Amsterdam to begin with, so what side is chosen is off very little importance.)
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[kevinmarks]
I just assumed that nearer the centre is easier for most
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tantek
hello mlopatka! fellow mozillian here :) I usually update the WeeklyProject wiki pages with the HWC meetups but you should feel free to update it for HWC Amsterdam also!
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tantek
sebsel++ for helping out with restarting HWC Amsterdam!
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Loqi
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@Iiterature
@pfrazee @team_slava @jessewldn @Truebitprotocol @chain @kin_foundation @PROPSproject @VoltzRoad @zeligf @joincolony @relevantfeed @dat_project Let's be explicit about the benefits and tradeoffs. Also the potential for incentives that tokens introduce. IMO secure ledgers w/o incentives don't get us out of today's megasilo reality; indieweb/dat model doesn't have economies of scale vs. a corp or token
(twtr.io/1YSUx0CydHb)
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tantek
hmm I see a tweet in the logs but didn't see it show up in IRC, perhaps I netsplit from Loqi?
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@Iiterature
@pfrazee @jessewldn @team_slava @Truebitprotocol @chain @kin_foundation @PROPSproject @VoltzRoad @zeligf @joincolony @relevantfeed @dat_project i think they're coupled. e.g. facebook can be structurally replicated with p2p network, but it's value must be "logically centralized" (token). otherwise you can't get its economies of scale/network effects/subsidies, and end up with indieweb/webrings/etc
(twtr.io/1YSX0TjY8Y0)
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tantek
weird, there's another one, saw it pop-up in the logs, but not in my IRC client
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aaronpk
that's weird, I see it in IRC
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@pfrazee
@Iiterature @jessewldn @team_slava @Truebitprotocol @chain @kin_foundation @PROPSproject @VoltzRoad @zeligf @joincolony @relevantfeed @dat_project Two counter points: 1) the value is derived by users directly from an open data network, and is represented by a network effect rather than a currency. 2) if work is any good, the quality will be comparable to facebook, not the indieweb.
(twtr.io/1YSXf_MD7ZY)
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tantek
^^^ says the guy only posting his tweets in a centralized silo
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aaronpk
omg this bio toggle thingy is brilliant: https://chriscoyier.net/
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[eddie]
haha that is awesome
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Loqi
[eddie]: lol
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aaronpk
another fun timeline view from birth to (expected) death: https://chriscoyier.net/timeline/
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tantek
will leave it to someone who can reply in a more positive way to invite folks to participate in indieweb chat here rather than Twitter
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@martijnvdven
@funwhilelost Seattle is still listed as one that is getting started, with you as organiser, which is why I was asking: https://indieweb.org/HWC#Seattle I would move it down to “needs restarting” if you aren’t organising any more, which is why I was asking when I was cleaning the wiki page.
(twtr.io/1YS_qfu9H54)
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sknebel
so suddenly where you put your tweets is critical? Guess I don't do "indieweb seriously" either
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tantek
sknebel: you also don't tweet about decentralization AFAIK
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sknebel
sure, but ripping into someone who has is blog on the decentralized platform he is advocating for, has build the major piece of user-friendly tech for it, ... for not mirroring his tweets there seems a bit over the top, sorry
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tantek
point being here is, claiming authority about decentralization, in posts that *only exist* on a *centralized* silo is a bit self-defeating, and certainly merits questioning the credibility of said authority about decentralization
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tantek
sknebel: the question is why?
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tantek
is it too hard for them to post plain text notes on their decentralized platform / site? if so, perhaps they ought to solve that first before splaining to others?
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[miklb]
my personal take is rather than questioning credibility, should be an opportunity to share with them how they can extend their decentralization.
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sknebel
possibly same reason I post on twitter and don't copy everything to my site: I don't particularly care about the tweets. He has the main blog posts behind is arguments on his homepage, which he does host on his thing. and not everyone building decentralized "X" is interested in replacing twitter specifically
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tantek
[miklb], you are correct of course
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tantek
[miklb]++
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Loqi
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sknebel
and I'm a bit wary since I've multiple times recently gotten feedback from people that have issues taking us seriously since we appear to tear negatively into other projects without caring about nuance
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tantek
sknebel, my point is not about replacing twitter.
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tantek
my point is, *plain text* is kind of a fundamental building block of anything you do with coding
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sknebel
yes, and he hosts plain text documents with his arguments.
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tantek
so if your "system" cannot even handle simple "plain text" very well, perhaps re-analyze your system and ask why
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tantek
but if it's so easy then why post "serious points" to only a silo?
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tantek
without any citation of said other articles even?
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tantek
sknebel: your point "don't particularly care about the tweets" is valid.
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tantek
I believe that asking these kinds of questions ("Why do you use *only* twitter for some plain text posts instead of your own decentralized system?") will eventually get at the underyling actual problem : UX
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tantek
or rather, UX is hard, perhaps solve that instead of futzing with plumbing whether blockchain or some other futzing
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tantek
it gets at fundamentally questioning the priorities/focus of said folks in the "decentralization" space
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[miklb]
sounds like a great long form argument to make on your blog rather than in a chat forum ?
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aaronpk
miklb++ lol
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Loqi
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tantek
if they actually care about helping users (including their own day to day use - selfdogfooding), they would work on the *hardest* problem, UX, instead of futzing with plumbing
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tantek
[miklb] brainstorming here first :)
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tantek
but yes, I'm thinking of renewing my "post your notes on your own site" challenge for the new year, with these points as updates
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[miklb]
are you syndicating those brainstorms as plain text from your own site? (obviously playing devil’s advocate here)
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aaronpk
considers restoring his POSSE-to-IRC workflow
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sknebel
[miklb]++ reminds me that I have a blogpost about what dat+Beaker does better than hosting your own traditional site to write...
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Loqi
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tantek
[miklb], no because this is a /commons vs. the twitter /silo
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tantek
that's the key difference. same with posting stuff on the indieweb wiki vs. say a Facebook page
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sknebel
I think your criticism underlying assumes that someone wants to solve microblogging
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tantek
sknebel: not an assumption. deduction from behavior.
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tantek
they *are* microblogging, therefore it is important to them.
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sknebel
if that's the goal, not using their thing or at least POSSEing (to engage twitter users) is a completely valid criticism
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tantek
if it wasn't important, why do they bother to spend the time doing it?
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tantek
*implicitly important to them
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sknebel
why don't we host our own IRC server?
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tantek
anything you spend time on, you are demonstrating is *implicitly important to you
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aaronpk
content doesn't live in the IRC server
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sknebel
why do we use twitter instead of completely ignoring it?
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aaronpk
(I do host my own IRC server tho)
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tantek
sknebel: if we had the expertise, we might (host our own IRC server)
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sknebel
(I do too, but not this one)
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tantek
sknebel: "instead of ignoring" different question. answered in /POSSE#Why
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sknebel
because people we want to talk to are there. and if others want to talk to people on there too, we IMHO can't say "nuhu, you have to adapt your blog to talk to twitter first"
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tantek
sknebel: you missed the *only* point
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sknebel
someone blogging on their own thing isn'T *only* posting to twitter
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tantek
they have posts only on Twitter, therefore they are doing it
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sknebel
in -dev you even explcitily said they weren't even selfdogfooding, just because they don't have their microblogging on their own site
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tantek
most of them yes
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sknebel
you said zero, including pfrazee which was the example I took offense with
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tantek
yes I didn't see any plain notes posts, only articles
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tantek
so no, even that example, not selfdogfooding simple plain text notes
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sknebel
which is completely fine, if someone isn'T specifically trying to solve microblogging
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tantek
(articles are structured with at least a name)
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sknebel
not everyone is trying to solve everything they use at the same time
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sknebel
nobody of us sucessfully does so (I assume)
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tantek
yet "plain text notes" should be the simplest thing
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tantek
hence why I'm pointing it out as a glaring hole
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tantek
and *simpler* than solving /articles
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tantek
thus the lack of it indicates a flaw with the approaches, in contrast to the usage pattern (posting plain text notes only on a silo)
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tantek
what is own your data
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Loqi
own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE, and if so, preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts) https://indieweb.org/own_your_data
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sknebel
you don't think "using the thing he is advocating for", "has made the one thing of all these projects that actually does really interesting UI things" is more important than the (as you say primitive) use case "plain text notes someone might not care about"?
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tantek
he does care about plain text notes because he posts them
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tantek
that's the point
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tantek
"someone might not care about" is false
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tantek
by sheer evidence of the behavior of posting plain text notes on Twitter
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tantek
wouldn't post if they didn't care
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sknebel
plain text notes are not a purpose in themselves. post to twitter to reach people there, that might be a purpose. as long as that purpose is achieved, they might be uninteresting otherwise.
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sknebel
The primary message I wanted to bring across "It doesn't look good to shit on good people for trivialities that might only be borderline related". I've had to defend the indieweb community against tht image a few times recently, and it's a shame IMHO exactly because we might have interesting ideas for outsiders.
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tantek
sknebel: "shit on" you mean like this from their tweet: "if work is any good, the quality will be comparable to facebook, not the indieweb"
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sknebel
... hadn't read that specific one
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tantek
that's what started this
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tantek
see above
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sknebel
at least not the one person I wanted to defend in all of this
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Loqi
[pfrazee] @Iiterature @jessewldn @team_slava @Truebitprotocol @chain @kin_foundation @PROPSproject @VoltzRoad @zeligf @joincolony @relevantfeed @dat_project Two counter points: 1) the value is derived by users directly from an open data network, and is represe...
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sknebel
oh, wait
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tantek
that's my point
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sknebel
well, I'll level that criticism at them then too
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tantek
sknebel: that's the only reason I'm leveling this criticism
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tantek
someone who is claiming any point about "indieweb" *only* on a silo post, and can't (or won't) even own their own plain text notes :P
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tantek
I don't care what else they've built
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tantek
Perhaps a better reply would be something like:
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tantek
@pfrazee (+canoe) rather than criticizing indieweb, perhaps consider owning your plain text notes on your decentralized system rather than only tweeting them to the centralized Twitter silo.
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tantek
actions louder than words as it were
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sknebel
to which the reply will be that everyone there was talking about hypothetical future progress
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sknebel
so partially sorry for blowing up like this on you, I missed some of the context when scanning tweets
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tantek
no they were comparing FB to indieweb
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tantek
no problem, I still tried to consider your points as validly as I could regardless of context.
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sknebel
as I said, came up recently a few times
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sknebel
so kind of touchy on that area
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tantek
sknebel - I only think like maybe 0.1% of the folks tweeting like that deserve that kind of criticism, specifically because of the context / substance of their tweets
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tantek
the other 99.9% as you (and [miklb]) pointed out we should be only inviting to participate and collaborate on this instead of asking why aren't they owning their data (yet)
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sknebel
I mean, if he's comparing current facebook to current indieweb from a "average user" perspective I don't think a goal of "beat facebook" is the wrong one
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tantek
I think it is the wrong goal
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tantek
and this has been pointed out by barnabywalters ages ago
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tantek
(reasons why)
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tantek
looks for cite
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sknebel
(although "better" without a criteria what you are measuring is subjective as well of course)
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tantek
one "simple" way to measure it is by use - which do you use more? then logically you consider that 'better' by your choice of time usage
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sknebel
a major point of criticism against social media is that it optimizes to maximize usage time
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Loqi
[Barnaby Walters] It’s funny — people are saying so much about the #indieweb/federated social web not being a “Facebook Killer”, and yet it’s killed my usage of FB beyond occasional passive consumption. So, implementors: build stuff which kills your own FB...
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tantek
what is replace facebook
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "replace facebook" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10wd
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tantek
replace Facebook is the wrong goal, instead, work on replacing your use of [[Facebook]], as Barnaby Walters noted works from his own experience: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/
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Loqi
[Barnaby Walters] It’s funny — people are saying so much about the #indieweb/federated social web not being a “Facebook Killer”, and yet it’s killed my usage of FB beyond occasional passive consumption. So, implementors: build stuff which kills your own FB...
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tantek
what is beat facebook
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "beat facebook" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10we
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sknebel
heh, reading the twitter thread upstream, "indieweb" is actually first mentioned in relation to his project
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tantek
beat Facebook is /replace_Facebook
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@Iiterature
@pfrazee @team_slava @jessewldn @Truebitprotocol @chain @kin_foundation @PROPSproject @VoltzRoad @zeligf @joincolony @relevantfeed @dat_project Let's be explicit about the benefits and tradeoffs. Also the potential for incentives that tokens introduce. IMO secure ledgers w/o incentives don't get us out of today's megasilo reality; indieweb/dat model doesn't have economies of scale vs. a corp or token
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sknebel
(that was the post I had seen initially)
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tantek
yes that was the post I saw initially too, then saw the twitter-only apologists responding
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sknebel
(labelling dat as his project isn't accurate, but the one he represents in that discussion)
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tantek
yeah I have to think more about what that "economies of scale" comment means or could mean before giving any kind of meaningful response
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sknebel
so I think the best response would have been exactly following barnabys argument. Clarifying what the "better" means. Were they talking UX, specific technical aspects, signup effort, ...
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sknebel
*was he. single point really
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sknebel
(I'd assume the economies of scale" is something along the way of "big servers can run cheaper than everyone hosting themselves", with blockchain-money somehow solving hosting costs (?!))
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tantek
sknebel you mean in reference to "any good" and "quality" ?
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tantek
re: what "better" means
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sknebel
Do they see "build a better facebook" as the goal, or "replace facebook"
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tantek
which BTW, neither was the goal when FB was built.
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sknebel
("make facebook unecessary"? that might be a clearer framing)
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tantek
FB wasn't a "better MySpace" or to "replace MySpace" or Twitter etc.
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tantek
none of those were
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tantek
for their priors
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sknebel
I get now more why you hooked on that discussion, but I still have the feeling there's a lot of context missing (despite 280 char tweets :P)
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tantek
so that methodology of "replace What-Is-Popular-Now" is both unproven, has failure examples, and decidedly NOT the path to being popular (nothing that is popular now set out to replace the thing popular when they started)
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sknebel
agreed.
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tantek
so these days, if someone says that's their goal, I basically ignore them, figuring their effort will be irrelevant. there's too many people working on actual more useful things that have a better chance of success
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tantek
opportunity cost
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sknebel
if you'd open with "where are your self-hosted microblogs", you'd not get the oppertunity to make that point about replacing facebook
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tantek
that's a separate more subtle point
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-17.html
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tantek
but neither point is really suitable for the medium of Twitter, as you pointed out, whether 140 or 280c at a time
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sknebel
if they don't get it, disengage and ignore, if they do that was useful. the other thing IMHO is only going to cause them to disengange and ignore
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sknebel
and it's always been tiny things people pointed out they didn't like about how we treated things
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sknebel
(jargon used differently, scene-specific jargon, making fun of something instead clearly laying out why we are not interested in it)
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tantek
sknebel it depends on whether the people have any chance at ever productively engaging or not
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tantek
frankly, if such complaints disincentivize unproductive (even disruptive) people from participating in indieweb things, that is a good thing!
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tantek
it's like a natural filter / weeding out of noise
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sknebel
they were people I was talking to in related context, some people who despite this then came to indieweb events
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tantek
always better to engage with people who show up to actual events
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tantek
sknebel, for every one of them there are dozens of useless twitter ranters
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tantek
for now, I'm going to focus on reviewing https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-17.html
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tantek
because I care more about that than twitter flames :)
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tantek
schmarty++ nice HWC Baltimore photo! At least we got one photo for this week!
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Loqi
schmarty has 26 karma in this channel (49 overall)
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sknebel
you probably had a lot more pain with that in the past, but I'd go with "just ignore them, no need to put bad-tasting pills in our messaging"?
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sknebel
(in case the interesting people bite on them)
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tantek
sknebel: in the broader world of web standards, I get exposed to many more too :(
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sknebel
tantek: oh, yeah, I just occasionally read mailing lists or github threads and back out again slowly...
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tantek
sknebel++
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Loqi
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tantek
oh dear Austin is not in Upcoming in the newsletter
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tantek
(which means I can now click the "From" link underneath the heading for that section in the newsletter to immediately go to where to fix it!)
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tantek
sknebel: right, that's the right question, point is, I didn't have to think/type to go there - the newsletter is now incrementally more useful for collaborative improvement while in draft form
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sknebel
yep, saw that too and fixed berlin markup just now ;)
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sknebel
since I didn'T get around to send a PR to the newsletter generation code
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tantek
finds class=big SMH
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tantek
sknebel++ for archiving IWC Berlin etherpads to the wiki! So awesome and thank you
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sknebel
was postively surprised that we got so many notes, that has been difficult
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sknebel
... reminds me ...
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@frankmeeuwsen
Toch weer even van me afgeschreven. Over posse, pesos en pesetas. #indieweb-praat dus. http://diggingthedigital.com/POSSE-en-PESOS/
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Loqi
Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-17.html
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Zegnat
Oof, that article by Frank. “[…] on the IndieWeb Wiki there is a link to the location where the POSSE concept was first described. Unfortunately that page no longer exists...”
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@peridotfire
Thinking about attending IndieWebCamp in December. Anyone else going? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-austin-2017-tickets-39918084064
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sknebel
what is neotoma?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "neotoma" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10wh
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tantek
it got moved
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sknebel
neotoma is https://neotoma.io, an [[PASTA]]/[[PESOS]] project by {{markmhendrickson}}. Open source [https://github.com/neotoma/ on GitHub].
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tantek
Zegnat ^^^ updated with fixed link + archive in case you want to reply to @frankmeeuwsen
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Zegnat
I would if I had a working flow for posting from my phone.
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tantek
I feel that pain
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sknebel
could post the link here and send a webmention to the chat logs, but that feels like cheating
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sknebel
assuming he has webmentions set up
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sebsel
he hasn't :)
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sebsel
Need to mail him back, but he stated he was struggling with it still.
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Zegnat
Any chance of getting him on IRC? People are happy to help ::)
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Zegnat
Else it is a nice primer for HWC NL <3
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Zegnat
Well. I should sleep. Have a good night all!
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tantek
good night Zegnat
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Loqi
see you in the morning!
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sknebel
good night! I'll leave for the night as well
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