#indieweb 2017-12-10

2017-12-10 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich I wish I could have attended #IndieWebCamp Austin in person today, but had a good time attending remotely! Thanks to everyone who made the remote experience so usable. #IndieWeb http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/09/group-photo-at-indiewebcamp-austin-2017/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQpLSS6UIAAgmNS.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/939650287622434816)
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chrisaldrich sknebel, doing both, but from the perspective of separated posting and reading interfaces.
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@developerhcnews IndieWeb http://bit.ly/2kdzbsi (twitter.com/_/status/939672515768717312)
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[miklb] I wonder if Brent Simmons would entertain websub & micropub for Evergreen http://inessential.com/2017/12/09/evergreen_diary_2_random_notes
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@ryf_feed IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/939680613233250304)
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[eddie] miklb I was thinking that when I saw that post today
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb" on 2017-12-10 https://indieweb.org/
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schmarty wat
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gRegorLove That's a pretty cool site, you should check it out schmarty
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schmarty gRegorLove: thanks for the endorsement. i was skeptical.
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gRegorLove miklb: You may already know, but I get "connection not private" when I visit your https site
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gRegorLove Doesn't seem to be expired, though. "miklb.com normally uses encryption to protect your information. When Google Chrome tried to connect to miklb.com this time, the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials."
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[miklb] oh, yes, I got sidetracked. thanks for reminding me
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sknebel good morning indieweb
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[miklb] fixed.
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[miklb] something wonky in my auto-renew of certbot & I have to restart nginx
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sknebel [miklb]: fixed for next time as well? ;)
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[miklb] no, 89 days from now, I’ll probably be doing the same thing
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sknebel 60-ish days actually.
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schmarty so tired but still taking down notes of thoughts from IWC today. such a good day!
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schmarty chrisaldrich++ for great notes while remote participating
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schmarty gRegorLove++ for xtreme wiki organizing!
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@raretrack One day of #IndieWeb: my December challenge was to make my home page WordPress and move my Known stream to a subdomain. Short story: done! Long story: not easy, will post more soon (https://raretrack.uk/indieweb/95/) (twitter.com/_/status/939753645742047233)
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jeremycherfas Catching up on log from IWC Austin. Great note taking; thanks everyone.
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jeremycherfas Adding new people to the IndieWeb section of my feeds.
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jeremycherfas Small correction to https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-12-09/1512836828243700 The correct url is http://blog.storycards.net for Chris Grayson
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Loqi [GWG] blogs.storycards.net
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jeremycherfas Reading the pay session https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin/pay as useful procrastination before rolling my sleeves up on pay.
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jeremycherfas Memberful.com looks like a very interesting option
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jeremycherfas Except that the Starter level has a 10% transaction fee.
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jeremycherfas That's in addition to the Stripe fees
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jeremycherfas Maybe if I ever make the transition to having content in addition to the podcasts that could be said to offer value, it could be worth it.
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jeremycherfas I really like tantek's paypal button.
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jeremycherfas Good morning zegnat
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas Costs of setting up pay if you can't do all the API stuff yourself are quite considerable, I'm discovering.
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Zegnat Interesting. Maybe document some of the prices you are seeing, jeremycherfas?
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sknebel another patreon related link: http://www.comicsbeat.com/the-patreon-fiasco-jack-conte-_has_-been-talking-with-creators/
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Loqi Todd Allen wears a lot of hats. At various times he's been (alphabetically), a bouncer, college professor, humor columnist, Internet produce...
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sknebel what is pay?
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Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site https://indieweb.org/pay
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sknebel pay << [https://www.candyjapan.com/behind-the-scenes/candy-japan-hit-with-credit-card-fraud some notes on credit card fraud from CandyJapan]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://www.candyjapan.com/behind-the-scenes/candy-japan-hit-with-credit-card-fraud some notes on credit card fraud from CandyJapan]" to the "See Also" section of /payment
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Zegnat sknebel, that Comics Beat link is interesting. The quoted tweets, especially. And I agree with Jeph that “Patreon is trying to solve a problem there that is A) not solvable and B) not their job to solve”
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jeremycherfas No time to read it now, but thanks sknebel. I', too busy designing a payments form :)
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOUmN4G8RUs
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@OpenRightsGroup Join @OpenRightsBrum tomorrow at @BOMlab for an introduction to the #indieweb with special guest @kevinmarks! https://www.meetup.com/ORG-Birmingham/events/244943786/ (twitter.com/_/status/939876357793861632)
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sknebel darkness, the livestream is
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raretrack this has been a weekend of doh moments! thought it was going to be insanely difficult to get my micro.blog site going, until I discovered just now that all I needed to do was give it my Known RSS feed! easy when you know how lol
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@OpenRightsBrum Breaking News: Our meetup tomorrow (11 Dec) @BOMlab is CANCELLED due to the snow. We'll look to re-arrange #indieweb session with @kevinmarks for early 2018. PLEASE RT. (twitter.com/_/status/939881728293982209)
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aaronpk aw
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jeremycherfas Payment forms almost all done. Need to do some styling though, with flexbox if possible. Not sure I'm to to that today.
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aaronpk oo
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jeremycherfas S /to/up/ < proof
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cgrayson was working through the PGP setup described here: https://indieauth.com/pgp and was hung up for a while on the keybase command. wound up using their web UI; I think the command-line should be "keybase pgp sign -m 'challenge text from indieauth.com'"
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cgrayson (i.e., add `pgp` option)
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schmarty cgrayson: good catch! keybase changed their command line stuff recently. can you log in to the wiki? want to make the edit to the page?
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cgrayson oh, sure. does that indieauth.com page content come from the wiki?
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aaronpk oops! nope that page is here https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/blob/master/views/pgp.erb
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOUmN4G8RUs
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sknebel Currently: IndieWebCamp Austin https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin Next meetups: Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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schmarty i use the indieweb wiki a lot. i also use the alfred launch bar app. i made a workflow that lets me open wiki pages in fewer keystrokes and it makes me happy. https://martymcgui.re/2017/12/10/111432/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] IndieWeb wiki Workflow for Alfred
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sebsel schmarty++
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schmarty so, i did a hackday project. woohoo!
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sebsel I have a custom Alfred search on 'indie' for that :)
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Loqi :D
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schmarty sebsel: haha, nice! i use alfred so much but rarely think to add features to it these days. i am always giddy when i make a new workflow for it.
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Loqi awesome
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jeremycherfas Schmarty++
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jeremycherfas makes a note to download that tomorrow
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dgold schmarty++ nice
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chrisaldrich good morning IndieWeb
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chrisaldrich jeremycherfas, when you're done with some sort of payments set up, let me know and I'll transfer my Patreon support.
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tantek chrisaldrich++
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tantek !tell jeremycherfas are you working on recurring donations? pledges? like Patreon? per time period (e.g. monthly) or per action (e.g. /article published) ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Oh, wow, Facebook just let me select a /destination in the browser! Grabbing screenshot.
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sknebel good evening Zegnat!
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sknebel Austin: Demos in 105 min if I got my timezeones right?
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aaronpk that...I hope not
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aaronpk 165 minutes
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sknebel ok
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Zegnat Interesting how Facebook is using different terminology on web than android app. No more mention of “destination”: https://indieweb.org/destination#Facebook
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gRegorLove My IWC create day project is to clean up my fork of Quill, add a config option for status ("want to read", etc), and put it on github
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aaronpk ooh
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gRegorLove and on my dev site, of course
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gRegorLove I haven't used it much since IWC, trying to get it to where I use it regularly. selfdogfood and all that :)
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gRegorLove s/IWC/IWS 2017/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to The Patreon Fiasco: Jack Conte tells creators “We ****ed up.”" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-10 http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/10/reply-to-the-patreon-fiasco-jack-conte-tells-creators-we-ed-up/
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@ChrisAldrich @Real_Todd_Allen @comicsbeat Perhaps coincidentally there was a session at IndieWebCamp Austin this weekend that addresses alternate solutions to Patreon. http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/10/reply-to-the-patreon-fiasco-jack-conte-tells-creators-we-ed-up/ (twitter.com/_/status/939952385505427456)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The Story of Your Life: Using WordPress as Your Memory Warehouse by Brianna Privett" https://wordpress.tv/2017/12/10/brianna-privett-the-story-of-your-life-using-wordpress-as-your-memory-warehouse/ (from https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2017/12/2/)
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sknebel treora: congrats for getting into prototypefund with webmemex!
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich] ^ typo in that post, "loosing"
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tantek gRegorLove: what you didn't want to post an /edit post reply?
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gRegorLove what is edit?
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indieweb.org/edit
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Payment Requests using Stripe and Apple Pay" https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/10/8/payment-request
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sknebel https://wordpress.tv/2017/12/10/brianna-privett-the-story-of-your-life-using-wordpress-as-your-memory-warehouse/ is the recording of the wordcamp talk people were "raving" about last weekend, for those that missed the stream or want to look at it again
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sknebel regarding payments, something to keep in mind when looking at alternatives is how they handle fraud. E.g. a "take care of everything" service like patreon will shield you somewhat from chargebacks, interfacing with stripe directly won't (I added a link about this to the /pay page this EU morning)
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gRegorLove Are demos starting in a few minutes?
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aaronpk eep yes
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treora sknebel: thanks!
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treora now I just have to figure out what exactly to build. :)
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sknebel :)
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJZMtwVQ0s
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sknebel treora: you know in which community to find people to look over concepts and prototypes
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treora ehmm.. the semantic web wg?
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treora ;)
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sknebel :P
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schmarty IWC Austin Demos starting!
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gRegorLove +1 for etherpad copying vs logs
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treora I will try to be at HWC on Wensday, perhaps I'll see you there.
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sknebel treora: thursday! and i'll not be there in person, but call in
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schmarty notes here: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/austin-demos
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gRegorLove Notes about my project today: https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/my-project-for-todays-indiewebcamp/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] My project for today's IndieWebCamp Austin was initially to update my fork of Quill for posting read posts. I started by getting my fork of Quill updated. As I was working through some questions about how to include the action being taken on the bo...
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sknebel my projects: Kaja editing /live and generated upcoming HWCs on the front page! no post yet
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJZMtwVQ0s
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sknebel LIVE: https://indieweb.org/live Currently: IndieWebCamp Austin https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin Next meetups: Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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[miklb] GWG++
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[miklb] re: WP Rest-API no auth
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GWG [miklb]: I used the optional Application Password plugin for now
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[miklb] all good, I just got good chuckle from that. 2nd time this week someone made that point that I’ve seen
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gRegorLove Mine isn't much to show, unless you want to php-mf2 parse
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sknebel for mine you can show https://indieweb.org/live
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gRegorLove Also read-status
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sknebel and https://indieweb.org/User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs which is embedded on the front page (currently on cron job)
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gRegorLove sknebel++
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tantek sknebel++
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sknebel :)
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gRegorLove I think that's all I saw
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sknebel just a template on the front page. that's way it can easily be removed if it breaks and/or I don't have to make sure I edit the right hting in the complex page
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sknebel yes
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GWG needs to curl up with a copy of Oauth 2.0 Simplified and solve some problems.
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sknebel Next meetups: Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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gRegorLove manton++ for organizing IWC Austin
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tbbrown manton++ for IWC Austin!
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gRegorLove when is IWC Baltimore?
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Baltimore 2018 is on 2018-01-20 at Digital Harbor Foundation Tech Center https://indieweb.org/IWC_Baltimore
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gRegorLove Registration is open now!
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tantek manton++ great venue, food, and everything!
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