#indieweb 2017-12-09

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[kevinmarks] Welcome penguin
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Homebrew Website Club: March 8, 2017" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-03-06 https://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-march-8-2017
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Introduction to the IndieWeb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2014-01-07 https://werd.io/2014/introduction-to-the-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb Dinner" by Ben Werdmüller on 2013-11-01 https://werd.io/2013/indieweb-dinner
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An #Indieweb catchup over food and drink" by Ben Werdmüller on 2013-10-22 https://werd.io/2013/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink
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[tantek] Why is this only a problem with benwerd and superfeedr?
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[tantek] Or is it any Known and he happens to say "IndieWeb"?
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[tantek] I blame feed files :P
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aaronpk I'm clearly going to have to change how this works
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[tantek] Or we should track down what benwerd is doing that is triggering it
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[tantek] Not like any of those are on his home page so that's not it
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[tantek] I can only guess some random feed is causing it
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[jeremycherfas] It isn’t just benwerd. I have sometimes seen the same thing from my Known.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas
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Zegnat And the rest of IndieWeb :D
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jeremycherfas Hi zegnat
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sknebel good morning everyone!
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sknebel patreon: https://twitter.com/juliedillon/status/939210129261473792
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@juliedillon From Patreon: "We'd rather have our GMV be made up of fewer, but truly life-changed creators rather than a lot of creators making a few dollars." Well that tells me all I need to know about how much they actually care abt creators. https://brianbalfour.com/essays/patreon-onboarding-growth (twitter.com/_/status/939210129261473792)
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Zegnat Feels like they are forgetting that almost nobody even makes minimal wage out of Patreon. So their biggest users are the smaller creators. https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon
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sknebel and how many of the sucessful ones started small?
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sknebel Unless they really have massive issues with support costs, I don't get it
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sknebel (also, the sucessful ones generally are the ones that have likely the easiest time jumping somewhere else)
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Zegnat Patreon << https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon
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Loqi ok, I added "https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon" to the "See Also" section of /Patreon
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jeremycherfas I'm too busy trying to set up an alternative to read everything, so thanks zegnat and sknebel for posting those goodies.
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dgold what alternative are you tending towards, jeremycherfas ?
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jeremycherfas I think Stripe. The site is WP, and there is what seems like a good plugin. Need to pay for pro, but will be worth it, I think. And hope.
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9eEclKhKjQ
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jeremycherfas Thanks. I'm hoping audio will improve when it gets going for real.
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schmarty jeremycherfas: feedback about the audio is appreciated! we have a boundary desk mic, but the room has an extremely loud heater running
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jeremycherfas Not getting any audio now schmarty
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schmarty how about now?
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jeremycherfas Nope. Watching on Chrome.
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jeremycherfas Camera wobbles from time to time, so I assume I am seeing live
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jeremycherfas Can chat in youtube if you prefer
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schmarty hmm. i switched it again. moving to #indieweb-meta
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schmarty oh, you are not in #indieweb-meta
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schmarty anything now?
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig
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@noahread Hanging out at IndieWebCamp Austin. :) (twitter.com/_/status/939520013672820739)
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chrisaldrich Good morning IndieWeb!
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sebsel good morning :)
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sknebel good morning
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GWG Good morning, chrisaldrich
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chrisaldrich checks out the schedule for the day: /2017/Austin/Schedule
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aaronpk_ just updated the schedule, we'll be starting in a minute
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chrisaldrich I've heard aaronpk, schmarty, tantek, and GWG in the background; who else is there that's in chat?
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schmarty maybe [manton], though he has been up and about
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tbbrown hi chris, good morning from austin
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Loqi tbbrown: [kevinmarks] left you a message on 2017-10-20 at 11:09pm UTC: I would be interested, yes - email me kevinmarks@gmail.com
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@ChrisAldrich Up early in Los Angeles to remote attend #IndieWebCamp Austin today. Chat: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-12-09#bottom Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig Schedule: https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin (twitter.com/_/status/939526210383745024)
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chrisaldrich Hows the weather out there Tom?
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chrisaldrich ;)
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tbbrown nice and cool. no snow expected today.
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gRegorLove Good morning, #indieweb and IWC Austin
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jimpick chrisaldrich: i'm actually heading to LA today for the peer-to-peer web day event on Sunday
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GWG Snow, feh
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schmarty [manton] is kicking off IWC Austin!
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@tomwiththeweath Good morning from indiewebcamp austin! (twitter.com/_/status/939527544025559041)
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jimpick cool. i've only listened to his podcast
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schmarty [manton]: we'll be starting w/ intros and demos, then building blocks.
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schmarty [manton]: thanks to our sponsors
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GWG His website is manton.org
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GWG It is running on WordPress
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GWG He has a service called micro.blog
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GWG He is really interested in getting people to have their own website
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schmarty thanks, GWG, i'll let you take it 🙌
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GWG He is hoping to move to micro.blog hosting...alas
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GWG (Editorial comment)
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GWG He hasn't done a lot on his site in the last few years....
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GWG He is now opening it up to demo introductions
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GWG tantek is on deck
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GWG His site is tantek.com
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GWG gets into the groove
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gRegorLove manton blogging for 15 years on manton.org, wants to eventually move it to micro.blog
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GWG He's been hosting notes on his own site since 2010 exclusively...on his own site first....No content to Twitter as an origin since '09
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jimpick watching the livestream on youtube ... i love how GWG appears to be predicting what the speaker is about to say :-)
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GWG Been posting since pictures, events, RSVP
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GWG Shows RSVP
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chrisaldrich GWG++ for notetaking and using using /me for the editorial parts!
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Loqi gwg has 222 karma in this channel (279 overall)
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GWG tantek demonstrates how his RSVP went to the Indieweb 2017 Austin page
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GWG Been documenting his 'shame' at not iterating fast enough on the wiki
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GWG Has a long list
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GWG See Falcon in Wiki
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GWG Something he got working recently was a payment page so people could pay him
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GWG tantek.com/pay
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GWG wonders if it has been used extensively
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GWG tantek.com/request is the reverse option...asking for money
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GWG tantek is really interested in hearing about new and interesting ways to use your website instead of other sites
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GWG schmarty, aka Marty McGuire on deck
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GWG schmarty tries to post everything to his site first
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tantek https://martymcgui.re/
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Loqi Marty McGuire
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GWG He uses OwnYourSwarm to do checkins. Hosts events, duck faces, etc
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GWG schmarty is the host of the This Week in the Indieweb audio edition
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GWG Uses a tool he created to post audio via micropub
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GWG Working now on making tools to make it easier, as he uses a static site generator
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GWG Static sites make dynamic things harder to do
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GWG Silent applause for schmarty
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GWG aaronpk/Aaron Parecki aaronpk.com on deck
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GWG Posts all sorts of stuff to his website, like tantek. Point of no new content on other sites
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[chrisaldrich] Who is Aaron Parecki?
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GWG Last thing he did was adding icons to the bottom of his site to show other sites he is linked to. Uses an icon font
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GWG He has two Twitter accounts, so there are two Twitter icons
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[chrisaldrich] who is aaronpk?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Aaronparecki.com
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GWG Builds a lot of tools for helping other people
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GWG Created Own Your Swarm and Own Your Gram to pull back content from these services to your site over Micropub
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GWG Created Quill to post notes and other content
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GWG That's him
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tantek up next: Jon Lebkowsky
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GWG Next up...Jon Lebkowsky
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tantek http://weblogsky.com/
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Loqi Jon L. on Future Fossils podcast Tumblr | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn | Wikipedia | Flickr Jon Lebkowsky has been managing technology projects and companies for over 25 years. He has been cofounder and CEO of three companies, and has been CEO of Po...
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GWG Got interested due tantek in 2014, didn't get serious except wanting an IWC in Austin
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GWG notes Wish Granted
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GWG Added outward facing h-card so far. Has quite a few WordPress plugins noted
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GWG Gives shout out to GWG
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GWG Needs to configure said plugins, doesn't write code
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GWG All done now.
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tantek next up: GWG
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chrisaldrich Let's hear it for Joh Lebokowsky and /Generations 2+ in the house...
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tantek David Shanske
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tantek https://david.shanske.com/
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tantek has a WordPress site, does a lot of WP development
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tantek recent multi-day odyssey to have the right Swarm icon
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tantek has checkins via OwnYourSwarm
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tantek has photos via OwnYourGram
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tantek here is his RSVP
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tantek the format for most of his posts are: header, icon, possibly summary, small content at the bottom
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tantek happy to talk about WordPress
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tantek this weekend, here to help with anyone that wants to get WordPress setup, also has a list of projects to work on
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tantek working on a lot of icons icons icons, theme for the week
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tantek up next: Tom Brown
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tantek interested in WordPress today
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schmarty next up: tom brown.
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schmarty website is herestomwiththeweather.com
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tantek (all yours schmarty)
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schmarty latest thing: at indieweb summit learned to do micropub with jekyll. documented it recently.
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GWG At Indieweb Summit, he learned how to do Micropub with Jekyll and documented that
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schmarty (go GWG!)
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GWG He's hoping to learn about WordPress this weekend.
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GWG schmarty: Takes me a moment to flow
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GWG Next is kopfzeiler.org...
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GWG He's from germany.
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GWG Is interested in the infrastructure for online publishing.
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@gRegorLove Watching IndieWebCamp Austin introduction and demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig (twitter.com/_/status/939531750950211584)
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GWG should have asked him to speak up there
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GWG Next is Chris Grayson, very new to the Internet.
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GWG blogs.storycards.net
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GWG New to Indieweb stuff, heard about micro.blog and used that a bit
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GWG Dipped toe into Indieweb
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GWG Also works on simple WordPress network for Indivisible sites
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GWG Free WordPress sites.
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GWG is unsure what Indivisible is
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GWG Offers WordPress help for people who just want to have a website
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gRegorLove What is Indivisible?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Indivisible" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Indivisible is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG will ask later
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GWG All the information created were Facebook events...wants to get that out of there
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gRegorLove Indivisible is http://indivisible.blue/
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Loqi ok
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GWG Next is someone who doesn't have a website
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GWG predicts he will have one by Sunday night
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chrisaldrich Indivisible is http://indivisible.blue/ a free [[WordPress]] hosting company for the #resistance.
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tantek Randall Deweerd, has deweerd.org but just uses it for email. wants to start building a site there
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GWG I keep missing people's names
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tantek (Alphaea (sp?)) has a micro.blog, heard about indieweb as a concept, here to learn
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GWG Where are the Hello My URL is nametags?
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GWG Next up, noahread.net
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GWG Been trying to post to his website first and syndicate for a few years now.
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GWG Typical microblogging type stuff that gets syndicated.
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GWG That's him.
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schmarty previously: Althea (not sure about my spelling, apologies) also currently has no website, but has used wordpress. interested in learning more and getting a site going.
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tantek (sorry GWG, I totally spaced on the HELLO stickers)
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GWG tantek: It just occurred to me
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tantek Seneel (sp?) also doesn't have a website, here to learn
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schmarty next up, aaronpk is back up. reviewing the schedule.
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GWG aaronpk returns to the podium for a Building Blocks session
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GWG Session grid will be created
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GWG Topics to be discussed.
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GWG Remember, you do not need to know anything to lead a session
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GWG Barcamp style
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GWG Two or three sessions in parallel
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GWG Tomorrow...capture all of that energy and release it into our sites
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GWG Feel free to interrupt aaronpk anytime
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GWG The Basics
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GWG 1. You need a website/domain name
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GWG Starting with a domain name is the key
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GWG Then you have a place to put stuff
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GWG If you llook at a cross section of people's website, they usually have the person's name, sometimes photo, often About/Bio, and then as we get into more social...a list of posts. It could be blog posts, or it could be things like microblog posts, photos, and other crazy stuff and experimental posts.
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GWG aaronpk posts everything
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GWG Bike rides, plane trips, exercise, food, drink...
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tantek (Your /homepage is a building block )
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tantek what is elsewhere
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "elsewhere" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "elsewhere is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG Another common element are links to where you can find him or anyone in other places
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GWG 2. How can you do this yourself? The most important thing is to Just Do It. Make it useful to yourself, and then make it useful to interact with others
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tantek (odd we have a /elsewhere page but Loqi is not finding it)
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tantek (your /elsewhere links are a building block, useful for logging in to the wiki etc. with /IndieAuth )
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GWG 3. The next step is you can use your website to log into things, like our community wiki. If you try, it will ask you for your domain name, and it will give you ways to authenticate through other services. It did this because on his page, there is a little markup(rel=me) that allows a website to interpret what other profiles/services can be used to sign you in.
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GWG That is just turning your website into a machine readable source for certain pieces of data
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GWG 4. The next popular thing is microblog posts/notes. We are seeing this because Twitter introduced the idea of posting short things without a title.
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GWG Here are some examples... aaronparecki.com/notes
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GWG It has no title, a date, etc
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GWG The 'fun' part of this is that you can interact with them because of the way it is marked up
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GWG People have 'liked' and 'replied' to his posts using Indieweb standards
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GWG In this example, he wrote a reply on a micro.blog site, and aaronpk wanted to write back to him, so he used his website, but marked it up so that the other site knew that is was a reply and presented it as a comment
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GWG This uses two protocols, webmentions and microformats
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chrisaldrich What is webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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GWG Webmentions allowed his site to notify the other site that there was a mention of it. Microformats allows the other site to interpret the comment.
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chrisaldrich What are microformats?
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Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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GWG That's how we are able to make sites with totally different codebases work together
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GWG The way to turn it on.
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GWG On WordPress, there are plugins
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GWG If you are writing your own site, you can add a few things to your HTML. Webmentions are just simple POST Requests
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GWG adds webmention.io as a hosted webmention servicve
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chrisaldrich The /Known has them built into the core of the CMS.
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GWG Webmention.io is a service where you copy two lines into your site header that handles webmentions and has an API to pull them out.
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GWG Shows off the webmention.io dashboard
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GWG There is another one called webmention.herokuapp.com with the same idea
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GWG This one provides not only an API, but adds an HTML embed to render the comments
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GWG That is....
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GWG Shows martymcgui.re's Indieweb podcast as another example
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GWG And how all mentions are propogated
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GWG Offers an intro to Microformats next
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GWG H-Card is a microformat that describes a person, place, or business
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GWG notes the flashing blue indicating aaronpk is still at the point of last checkin
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GWG Shows source showing an h-card
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GWG His photo is marked up as u-photo to indicate it is a photo for consuming parsers
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GWG u-url for URLs
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GWG dt-bday for Birthdays
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GWG Shows off minimal hcard by adding h-card to a link.
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GWG Expands h-card to include photo
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chrisaldrich There's an /h-card generator at http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator
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Zegnat dt-bday <3
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GWG Next is h-entry, a post...
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GWG h-entry is the full post, but has minimal required properties...so inside the content is e-content for the text of the post. dt-published for the time of publish...
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chrisaldrich What is a parser?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "parser" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "parser is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG So, if you look at the parsed version of the page, he uses a location properties, published property, content, etc
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GWG You can see, with a couple of classes, you can add structure to the page
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GWG He also added markup for his comments
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GWG Demoing a minimal h-entry
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GWG Hello, World
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GWG You can start simple, and add complexity
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GWG Checkin property for checkins, photo property for photos, etc
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GWG You can start simple, and add complexity
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GWG Moves on to posting interfaces
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GWG aaronpk has no posting interface for his site.
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GWG His admin is small.
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GWG He uses Micropub based services instead
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GWG For example, Quill, a micropub client
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tantek (thought I saw a "reply" link on his post but that was on the micro.blog copy of the post)
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GWG Quill tries to know how to sign you in, how to get credentials, and where to send posts.
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GWG Shows the Quill note interface
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[miklb] says hi
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GWG Creates a post. Shows Syndication targets, location, etc.
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GWG [miklb]: Hi
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@manton2 Aaron Parecki talking about the building blocks of the IndieWeb — your own domain name, types of posts, Microformats, Webmention, and more — at IndieWebCamp. https://aaronparecki.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/939539244128841729)
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schmarty aaronpk's test post: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/09/10/
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GWG A few people mentioned OwnYourGram/Swarm. They are also Micropub apps.
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Hello from IndieWebCamp Austin!
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GWG Instead of posting notes, they post checkins/photos posted to those services back to your site.
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GWG So, this is PESOS, Post Elsewhere, Syndicate Own Site
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GWG OwnYourGram has a page showing people using it
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GWG aaronpk demoes OYG to Micro.blog and Known.
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GWG notices the drumming of the heating system
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GWG aaronpk is demoing OYS now
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GWG wonders if chrisaldrich will ever switch to OYS
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tantek GWG let us know if you notice any patterns of prime numbers
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tantek GWG in the drumming
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GWG Shows preview in OwnYourSwarm
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GWG Another example is the micro.blog iOS app.
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@kevinmarks This illusion is further evidence against putting grey type on grey backgrounds http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/12/08/curvature-blindness-illusion/?utm_content=buffer0d981&utm_medium=social&utm_source=indieweb.org #faintdesign (twitter.com/_/status/939540226841575424)
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GWG So, even though it was designed for micro.blog,, it uses Micropub, so aaronpk can use it
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GWG wonders when the Android app is coming
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GWG There is also a browser extension
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GWG There is a question of whether assets are local or remote
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GWG That is up to the server, not the client app
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GWG However, Micropub supports uploading a photo as part of the specification
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tantek aaronpk demonstrates reply to a tweet, but from his own website
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tantek to do that he posts a copy on Twitter
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tantek and links to it using a Twitter icon on the post itself
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tantek this is the /posts-elsewhere building block
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GWG One of the reasons that linking to Twitter is useful is that we want to show his reply on Twitter as a comment on our site.
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chrisaldrich What is cross-posting?
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Loqi Cross-posting is the social media practice of syndicating or placing the same content, possibly slightly modified, on numerous different websites https://indieweb.org/cross-posting
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tantek his posts have a series of small icons next to the datetime published that link to copies of his posts in other places
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tantek ([chrisaldrich] this is more explicit /POSSE than general cross-posting)
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GWG His reply only exists on Twitter. aaronpk doesn't want to do the Twitter API
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GWG Someone has solved this
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GWG Bridgy, brid.gy
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tantek when people reply to aaronpk's post copies on Twitter, he wants those to show up on the original post on aaronpk's site
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GWG It takes Twitter/Facebook/etc responses and turns them into webmentions
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GWG So, aaronpk doesn't have to do anything
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GWG This is for replies, favorites, retweets
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GWG On WordPress, there are plugins for this
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GWG interrupts for WordPress clarity
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GWG pauses for applause
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GWG aaronpk moves into how to follow people, an underdeveloped part of the ecosystem
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GWG Covers PubSubHubBub aka WebSub
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GWG This is How to Make Feeds Real Time
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GWG When you post something, anyone who subscribes gets notified
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GWG What they do is outside of the spec
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GWG We are trying to prove the concept of following people
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GWG There is a pretty good start to an Indieweb reader...brainstormed and prototyped this summer. Together.tpxl.io
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GWG (Of Course chrisaldrich is on there)
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sknebel LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig (IndieWebCamp Austin https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin) Next meetups: Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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GWG It's kind of neat to follow people from their own websites
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GWG There is no 3rd party service
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chrisaldrich Hello aaronpk!
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GWG There are lots of different views by type
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GWG Mostly Manton on Podcasts
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GWG It's a start
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tantek (This Together demo is blowing my mind)
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tantek (wait is this microsub?)
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GWG Moves to Monocle.... monocle.p3k.io, the new service that does the following of feeds. It doesn't do a user interface
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schmarty tantek: Together is talking to Monocle over microsub, yep.
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GWG But, because Monocle is a service, any app can work with it
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chrisaldrich I've been quietly following the /microsub updates for a while... EXCITING stuff right?!!!!
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GWG Since it is linked to his site, he can interact with posts by clicking 'like' buttons etc
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GWG Why Cell Phone Battery?
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schmarty aaronpk shows some of his extra features. his website always knows his location.
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tantek use-case for sharing phone battery level: if you send aaronpk a message and he doesn't respond, if you can see his battery level is 0 then that might be why
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schmarty also cell phone battery level and charging status, weather and time for current location
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tantek new mini session:
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tantek Community Resources
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tantek the community has a website: indieweb.org
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tantek that is where everything starts
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tantek it links to everything else
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tantek the website is a wiki
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tantek available for anybody to edit
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tantek if you try to login, it will ask you to login with your website
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tantek if you don't have that, it has instructions to doing that (including /Getting_Started )
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tantek website has /events
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tantek including this one
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tantek when is IWC Austin?
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Austin 2017 was on 2017-12-09 at Capital Factory https://indieweb.org/IWC_Austin
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GWG notes duck boat persists
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tantek we also have a chat
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GWG What is duck boat?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "duck boat" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "duck boat is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek indieweb.org/discuss
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GWG leaves that to schmarty
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tantek (GWG can you do that in meta)
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schmarty duck boat is 🦆🦆
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Loqi ok
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tantek Chat exists on IRC in freenode
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tantek you can also join it from Slack
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tantek or the web! https://chat.indieweb.org/
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[miklb] waves from Slack 👋
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tantek (shows chat.indieweb.org on the projector)
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aaronpk1 hi from the web chat
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chrisaldrich Hi everyone!
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GWG This message is coming from inside the building
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gRegorLove Hi from IRC
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tantek wiki, chat, ...
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tantek ... etherpad
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tantek we are big on documentation
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chrisaldrich is logged in on chat.indieweb.org, just as an example
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tantek for this event we like to take notes on all the sessions
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[miklb] howdy stefp
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GWG Sessions are documented on Etherpad
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[stefp] Hi
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GWG We will create pads for each
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GWG Hello, [stefp]
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tantek the way we do that is on a collaborative note-taking tool called Etherpad
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tantek we create one for each session in the schedule
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tantek and link to it from the schedule
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GWG etherpad.indieweb.org/something
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tantek e.g. etherpad.indieweb.org/austin
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gRegorLove If notes already exist in the etherpad for previous sessions, enter a few line breaks at the top and enter the newer notes at the top.
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tantek at least someone in each session should take notes in the etherpad for the session
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/Etherpad#How_to_take_notes_during_IndieWebCamp
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tantek great to have documentation for the sessions so we can learn and make progress as a community instead of just having the discussions be ephemeral
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tantek we will try to live stream at least this room
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tantek and maybe the second room too
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tantek the other thing the chat can do
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tantek is talk to the wiki
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GWG What is a wiki?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/wiki
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aaronpk_ what is a wiki?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/wiki
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aaronpk_ what is a photo?
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Loqi A photo is a post whose primary content is a photograph or other image, with an optional caption. With multiple photographs it becomes a multi-photo post https://indieweb.org/photo
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tantek if you seem people talking about something you don't understand
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tantek you can ask "what is..."
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GWG The bot? It has a name
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aaronpk_ what is a bot?
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Loqi robots are automated scripts that crawl, search or perform multiple requests for information https://indieweb.org/bot
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aaronpk_ what is Blue Star?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Blue Star" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Blue Star is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is a breakfast taco?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "breakfast taco" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "breakfast taco is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk_ Blue Star is a donut shop in Portland Oregon
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Loqi ok
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[miklb] what is Blue Star
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Loqi Blue Star is a donut shop in Portland Oregon https://indieweb.org/Blue_Star
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tantek Blue Star << IndieWebSummit
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2017]]" to the "See Also" section of /Blue_Star
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GWG A breakfast taco is a breakfast item generously provided to Indiewebcamp Austin 2017 attendees
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Loqi ok
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tantek GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 223 karma in this channel (280 overall)
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aaronpk_ Blue Star << https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/08/21/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/08/21/" to the "See Also" section of /Blue_Star
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] omg so portland #pdx #pdxcarpet #stumptowncoffee #bluestardonuts https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/08/21/photo.jpg
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GWG What is love?
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Loqi "baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I https://indieweb.org/love
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GWG #indieweb is for user level discussions, #indieweb-dev is for protocol and development stuff, #indieweb-wordpress is for WordPress specific questions and avoid GWG annoying everyone..
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GWG #indieweb-meta is for talking about events and the community, organizing, etc
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GWG #microformats, #bridgy, #known have channels for those topics
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GWG #indieweb-chat is the offtopic unlogged discussion
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GWG pauses for applause
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GWG (Or not, again)
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GWG aaronpk covers the code of conduct
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tantek aaronpk++ for covering /code-of-conduct
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Loqi aaronpk has 529 karma in this channel (1501 overall)
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gRegorLove session scheduling happening now
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chrisaldrich hopes there's a microsub session
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chrisaldrich what is patreon?
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Loqi Patreon is a crowd-based, recurring funding site to support and pay content creators https://indieweb.org/Patreon
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chrisaldrich Patreon << https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon
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Loqi ok, I added "https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon" to the "See Also" section of /Patreon
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Want to know what it feels like to see what the web will become tomorrow? Watch #IndieWeb Camp Austin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-09 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/want-to-know-what-it-feels-like-to-see-what
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@ChrisAldrich Want to know what it feels like to see what the web will become tomorrow? Watch #IndieWeb Camp Austin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig (twitter.com/_/status/939554041042006017)
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chrisaldrich Build Idea for tomorrow: An IndieWebCamp session scheduler that captures the barcamp concept and maximizes session attendance based on interest priority
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chrisaldrich Trello might actually already have the general functionality for capturing ^^
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, tantek Make sure someone gets a photo of the session scheduling grid
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[miklb] miklb set the channel topic: Next meetups: Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: got it and now lunching-in so I can upload photos to the wiki
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k
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gRegorLove Is there video for Johnny Five room?
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GWG Shortly
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GWG aaronpk is working on it
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tbbrown what is the hashtag for micropub lifecycle?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hashtag for micropub lifecycle" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "hashtag for micropub lifecycle is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove static-quick etherpad is: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/static-quick
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gRegorLove tbbrown: #micropub
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tbbrown thank ou
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin/Schedule has etherpad links
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V70L0vqDss
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gRegorLove tantek: heh, request in etherpad to point video at screen.
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@tomwiththeweath attending #micropub lifecycle session at indiewebcamp livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V70L0vqDss (twitter.com/_/status/939575764688699392)
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gRegorLove tantek: microformats.io
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gRegorLove ?
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gRegorLove nevermind
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chrisaldrich schmarty, tantek: it would be even better if, instead of the camera, you were sharing schmarty's screen as he did this...
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gRegorLove so we can see how many really is "too many" tabs ;)
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aaronpk_ lol oops
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XingcodeD3D hi
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XingcodeD3D hi
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gRegorLove Hi XingcodeD3D
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XingcodeD3D help
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chrisaldrich XingcodeD3D what do you need help with?
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[miklb] howdy asurasunil
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[asurasunil] Hi everybody!
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tantek welcome [asurasunil] !
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tantek [asurasunil]++
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Loqi asurasunil has 1 karma
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gRegorLove Hiya [asurasunil]
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[asurasunil] 👋
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tantek welcome [slkhc]!
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tantek [slkhc]++
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[miklb] welcome slkhc
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gRegorLove WordPress session: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/wordpress
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gRegorLove Webmention session: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/webmention
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[miklb] is there a stream for the WordPress session? I haven’t checked the video links yet today
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GWG Yes, apparently
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chrisaldrich GWG, the micropub session doing screensharing into the live video was actually pretty nice for the remote folks. Consider it for WordPress depending on how you proceed
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gRegorLove WordPress video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k
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[miklb] thanks gRegorLove
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schmarty haha sorry folks, i wasn't looking at the chat :|
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Loqi hehe
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gRegorLove schmarty: GWG is a bit hard to hear in WordPress session
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gRegorLove Someone should take notes too
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schmarty we're at time on session 2
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schmarty schedule grid has Payments in the Wall-E room
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gRegorLove schmarty: Did the schedule get pushed back 15, or just the first session started late and was cut short?
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schmarty session started late. seems to still be rolling because it started late.
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tantek yeah I think we ran over in session one and now everything is 10-15min behind
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gRegorLove Ok, I updated the grid a bit ago to reflect that
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gRegorLove Payments, Pledges, and Donations: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/pay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k
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@tomwiththeweath Payments, Pledges, and Donations #indieweb livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k (twitter.com/_/status/939599137774952449)
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@manton2 Session planning at IndieWebCamp Austin. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQogfCAU8AA_mQ4.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/939599191898251264)
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gRegorLove The 55% number includes VAT
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gRegorLove For US, $1 pledge costs $1.38
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gRegorLove (re: pledge session, Patreon fees)
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gRegorLove recurring donation for every breakfast taco eaten
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tantek gRegorLove can you take notes from what you hear?
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gRegorLove Sure. schmarty is taking good notes so far
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tantek oh? didn't see them
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gRegorLove and [chrisaldrich]
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tantek in the etherpad?
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gRegorLove Yep. https://etherpad.indieweb.org/pay
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gRegorLove Maybe it's slow updating there due to the slow tubes :)
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schmarty haha, i would like to see a swear jar implementation
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Loqi schmarty: lol
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gRegorLove 9 minutes left for this session
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gRegorLove session is at time
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gRegorLove tantek++ great session
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aaronpk [manton] can you unlock the other door?
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gRegorLove Audio session starting: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k
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Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su32QOKQDB8
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chrisaldrich audio session: How could we build an audio discovery platform to replace iTunes in a more concerted fashion? IndieNews for audio perhaps?
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chrisaldrich audio session: it would be nice if more podcasts supported /listen functionality to indicate the number of listeners vs. comments/replies, etc.
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gRegorLove schmarty, tantek: I don't know if benwerd has done much with it recently, but /Wavelist was a curated podcasts playlist
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@t led #IndieWebCamp #Austin session on Payments, Pledges, and Donations, Oh My! Discussed: * #indieweb.org/pay pages work: http://tantek.com/pay * #Patreon backlash, creators/patrons stuck * or use Stripe, @W3C #Payment Request API Session Notes: http://tantek.com/t4rp1 (twitter.com/_/status/939619243024375808)
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tantek is now making good use of 280 chars :D
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gRegorLove post type session: imo bookmarks seem primarily for the author first, to find the link later, and optionally for others to discover content.
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gRegorLove ... likes/favorites seem primarily for the author of the liked content first
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gRegorLove ... as a feedback mechanism. likes/favorites serve for discovery too, though
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tantek FYI: Friendfeed introduced the "like" button/link, just over 10 years ago! https://indieweb.org/like#FriendFeed
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@koalillo ¿Por qué no me habíais pasado esto https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started ? (twitter.com/_/status/939622028675571712)
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[chrisaldrich] post type session: I view them all as posts with links (thus a linkblog): reads are things I've actually spent the time to read, favorites (things that are personally important to me), likes, bookmarks (things that seem interesting and I want to either read it later or revisit it)
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[chrisaldrich] Likes I use to mean thanks or props to the original post or author.
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[chrisaldrich] Often on Twitter, I'll use the like to convey to the author of a back and forth conversation that I've "seen" their post.
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[chrisaldrich] and may not necessarily reply directly.
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gRegorLove like nothing / hate nothing sounds pretty zen. :)
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chrisaldrich GWG, the nice thing about Post Kinds is that one can change the physical definition of Like, favorite, etc. within the plugin. (One needs to manually modify the code at present...)
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gRegorLove what is a chicken?
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Loqi chicken is a type of post supported by idno https://indieweb.org/chicken
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gRegorLove Oh, checkin.
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gRegorLove /like#Why is stubbed
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chrisaldrich I suspect part of GWG's issue is that he's writing Post Kinds which "forces" definitions of post kinds for people.
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gRegorLove what is jam?
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Loqi jam is an active type of post used to share a song that you are recently enjoying https://indieweb.org/jam
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gRegorLove /jam is active, /listen is passive
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[chrisaldrich] To solve GWGs proximal issue, perhaps making the human readable part of his interface definable by the user would suffice. Then each person and site could define their own definitions.
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]++ agreed. Customized plaintext summaries sounds most flexible
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[chrisaldrich] I do make active /listen posts for podcasts I'm listening to.
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gRegorLove Interesting. Individual episodes?
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[chrisaldrich] Yes, individual episodes.
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gRegorLove Cool. Example link?
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gRegorLove nvm, found http://boffosocko.com/kind/listen/
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gRegorLove Nice embedding of the media too
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[chrisaldrich] I put broader podcasts I'm interested to into an OPML file on my following page: http://boffosocko.com/about/following/#Podcasts
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Loqi Following
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chrisaldrich I often break mine up into statues (things I'm doing) versus links (external sites of interest to me or my readers)
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gRegorLove What is venue?
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Loqi A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indieweb.org/venue
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gRegorLove It's been a good first day IWC Austin
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gRegorLove o/
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chrisaldrich Tantek: I think the tough part of person tags is they're typically an action taken on a piece of content (PESOS) rather than something that feels native doing on one's own site first (POSSE). They might feel more natural if they're done as PESOS with Micropub?
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chrisaldrich Manton++ for kicking it all into motion!
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tantek chrisaldrich, when I'm viewing others photos through an integrated /reader on my own site, then they're one and the same
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: that's a great point, but I get the feeling that that most of us don't have that interface yet.
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sknebel chrisaldrich are you thinking about posting them or viewing them?