#indieweb 2017-12-09

2017-12-09 UTC
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[kevinmarks]
Welcome penguin
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Homebrew Website Club: March 8, 2017" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-03-06 https://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-march-8-2017
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Introduction to the IndieWeb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2014-01-07 https://werd.io/2014/introduction-to-the-indieweb
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb Dinner" by Ben Werdmüller on 2013-11-01 https://werd.io/2013/indieweb-dinner
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "An #Indieweb catchup over food and drink" by Ben Werdmüller on 2013-10-22 https://werd.io/2013/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink
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[tantek]
Why is this only a problem with benwerd and superfeedr?
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[tantek]
Or is it any Known and he happens to say "IndieWeb"?
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[tantek]
I blame feed files :P
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aaronpk
I'm clearly going to have to change how this works
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[tantek]
Or we should track down what benwerd is doing that is triggering it
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[tantek]
Not like any of those are on his home page so that's not it
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[tantek]
I can only guess some random feed is causing it
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[jeremycherfas]
It isn’t just benwerd. I have sometimes seen the same thing from my Known.
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat
Good morning jeremycherfas
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Zegnat
And the rest of IndieWeb :D
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sknebel
good morning everyone!
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@juliedillon
From Patreon: "We'd rather have our GMV be made up of fewer, but truly life-changed creators rather than a lot of creators making a few dollars." Well that tells me all I need to know about how much they actually care abt creators. https://brianbalfour.com/essays/patreon-onboarding-growth
(twtr.io/1ZBosbMHBbY)
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Zegnat
Feels like they are forgetting that almost nobody even makes minimal wage out of Patreon. So their biggest users are the smaller creators. https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon
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sknebel
and how many of the sucessful ones started small?
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sknebel
Unless they really have massive issues with support costs, I don't get it
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sknebel
(also, the sucessful ones generally are the ones that have likely the easiest time jumping somewhere else)
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jeremycherfas
I'm too busy trying to set up an alternative to read everything, so thanks zegnat and sknebel for posting those goodies.
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dgold
what alternative are you tending towards, jeremycherfas ?
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jeremycherfas
I think Stripe. The site is WP, and there is what seems like a good plugin. Need to pay for pro, but will be worth it, I think. And hope.
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Kaja
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9eEclKhKjQ
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jeremycherfas
Thanks. I'm hoping audio will improve when it gets going for real.
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schmarty
jeremycherfas: feedback about the audio is appreciated! we have a boundary desk mic, but the room has an extremely loud heater running
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jeremycherfas
Not getting any audio now schmarty
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schmarty
how about now?
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jeremycherfas
Nope. Watching on Chrome.
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jeremycherfas
Camera wobbles from time to time, so I assume I am seeing live
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jeremycherfas
Can chat in youtube if you prefer
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schmarty
hmm. i switched it again. moving to #indieweb-meta
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schmarty
oh, you are not in #indieweb-meta
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schmarty
anything now?
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Kaja
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig
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@noahread
Hanging out at IndieWebCamp Austin. :)
(twtr.io/1ZDe_WFViYK)
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chrisaldrich
Good morning IndieWeb!
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sebsel
good morning :)
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sknebel
good morning
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GWG
Good morning, chrisaldrich
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chrisaldrich
checks out the schedule for the day: /2017/Austin/Schedule
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aaronpk_
just updated the schedule, we'll be starting in a minute
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chrisaldrich
I've heard aaronpk, schmarty, tantek, and GWG in the background; who else is there that's in chat?
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schmarty
maybe [manton], though he has been up and about
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tbbrown
hi chris, good morning from austin
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Loqi
tbbrown: [kevinmarks] left you a message on 2017-10-20 at 11:09pm UTC: I would be interested, yes - email me kevinmarks@gmail.com
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@ChrisAldrich
Up early in Los Angeles to remote attend #IndieWebCamp Austin today. Chat: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-12-09#bottom Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig Schedule: https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin
(twtr.io/1ZDgnKGmDc4)
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chrisaldrich
Hows the weather out there Tom?
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tbbrown
nice and cool. no snow expected today.
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gRegorLove
Good morning, #indieweb and IWC Austin
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jimpick
chrisaldrich: i'm actually heading to LA today for the peer-to-peer web day event on Sunday
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GWG
Snow, feh
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schmarty
[manton] is kicking off IWC Austin!
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@tomwiththeweath
Good morning from indiewebcamp austin!
(twtr.io/1ZDhFuMDt41)
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jimpick
cool. i've only listened to his podcast
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schmarty
[manton]: we'll be starting w/ intros and demos, then building blocks.
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schmarty
[manton]: thanks to our sponsors
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GWG
His website is manton.org
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GWG
It is running on WordPress
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GWG
He has a service called micro.blog
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GWG
He is really interested in getting people to have their own website
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schmarty
thanks, GWG, i'll let you take it 🙌
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GWG
He is hoping to move to micro.blog hosting...alas
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GWG
(Editorial comment)
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GWG
He hasn't done a lot on his site in the last few years....
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GWG
He is now opening it up to demo introductions
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GWG
tantek is on deck
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GWG
His site is tantek.com
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GWG
gets into the groove
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gRegorLove
manton blogging for 15 years on manton.org, wants to eventually move it to micro.blog
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GWG
He's been hosting notes on his own site since 2010 exclusively...on his own site first....No content to Twitter as an origin since '09
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jimpick
watching the livestream on youtube ... i love how GWG appears to be predicting what the speaker is about to say :-)
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GWG
Been posting since pictures, events, RSVP
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GWG
Shows RSVP
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chrisaldrich
GWG++ for notetaking and using using /me for the editorial parts!
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Loqi
gwg has 222 karma in this channel (279 overall)
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GWG
tantek demonstrates how his RSVP went to the Indieweb 2017 Austin page
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GWG
Been documenting his 'shame' at not iterating fast enough on the wiki
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GWG
Has a long list
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GWG
See Falcon in Wiki
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GWG
Something he got working recently was a payment page so people could pay him
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GWG
tantek.com/pay
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GWG
wonders if it has been used extensively
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GWG
tantek.com/request is the reverse option...asking for money
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GWG
tantek is really interested in hearing about new and interesting ways to use your website instead of other sites
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GWG
schmarty, aka Marty McGuire on deck
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GWG
schmarty tries to post everything to his site first
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Loqi
Marty McGuire
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GWG
He uses OwnYourSwarm to do checkins. Hosts events, duck faces, etc
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GWG
schmarty is the host of the This Week in the Indieweb audio edition
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GWG
Uses a tool he created to post audio via micropub
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GWG
Working now on making tools to make it easier, as he uses a static site generator
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GWG
Static sites make dynamic things harder to do
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GWG
Silent applause for schmarty
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GWG
aaronpk/Aaron Parecki aaronpk.com on deck
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GWG
Posts all sorts of stuff to his website, like tantek. Point of no new content on other sites
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[chrisaldrich]
Who is Aaron Parecki?
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GWG
Last thing he did was adding icons to the bottom of his site to show other sites he is linked to. Uses an icon font
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GWG
He has two Twitter accounts, so there are two Twitter icons
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[chrisaldrich]
who is aaronpk?
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GWG
Builds a lot of tools for helping other people
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GWG
Created Own Your Swarm and Own Your Gram to pull back content from these services to your site over Micropub
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GWG
Created Quill to post notes and other content
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GWG
That's him
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tantek
up next: Jon Lebkowsky
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GWG
Next up...Jon Lebkowsky
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Loqi
Jon L. on Future Fossils podcast Tumblr | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn | Wikipedia | Flickr Jon Lebkowsky has been managing technology projects and companies for over 25 years. He has been cofounder and CEO of three companies, and has been CEO of Po...
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GWG
Got interested due tantek in 2014, didn't get serious except wanting an IWC in Austin
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GWG
notes Wish Granted
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GWG
Added outward facing h-card so far. Has quite a few WordPress plugins noted
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GWG
Gives shout out to GWG
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GWG
Needs to configure said plugins, doesn't write code
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GWG
All done now.
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tantek
next up: GWG
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chrisaldrich
Let's hear it for Joh Lebokowsky and /Generations 2+ in the house...
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tantek
David Shanske
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tantek
has a WordPress site, does a lot of WP development
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tantek
recent multi-day odyssey to have the right Swarm icon
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tantek
has checkins via OwnYourSwarm
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tantek
has photos via OwnYourGram
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tantek
here is his RSVP
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tantek
the format for most of his posts are: header, icon, possibly summary, small content at the bottom
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tantek
happy to talk about WordPress
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tantek
this weekend, here to help with anyone that wants to get WordPress setup, also has a list of projects to work on
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tantek
working on a lot of icons icons icons, theme for the week
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tantek
up next: Tom Brown
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tantek
interested in WordPress today
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schmarty
next up: tom brown.
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schmarty
website is herestomwiththeweather.com
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tantek
(all yours schmarty)
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schmarty
latest thing: at indieweb summit learned to do micropub with jekyll. documented it recently.
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GWG
At Indieweb Summit, he learned how to do Micropub with Jekyll and documented that
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schmarty
(go GWG!)
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GWG
He's hoping to learn about WordPress this weekend.
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GWG
schmarty: Takes me a moment to flow
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GWG
Next is kopfzeiler.org...
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GWG
He's from germany.
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GWG
Is interested in the infrastructure for online publishing.
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@gRegorLove
Watching IndieWebCamp Austin introduction and demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig
(twtr.io/1ZDim4VbuKj)
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GWG
should have asked him to speak up there
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GWG
Next is Chris Grayson, very new to the Internet.
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GWG
blogs.storycards.net
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GWG
New to Indieweb stuff, heard about micro.blog and used that a bit
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GWG
Dipped toe into Indieweb
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GWG
Also works on simple WordPress network for Indivisible sites
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GWG
Free WordPress sites.
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GWG
is unsure what Indivisible is
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GWG
Offers WordPress help for people who just want to have a website
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gRegorLove
What is Indivisible?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Indivisible" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10yt (Or just say "Indivisible is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG
will ask later
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GWG
All the information created were Facebook events...wants to get that out of there
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GWG
Next is someone who doesn't have a website
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GWG
predicts he will have one by Sunday night
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chrisaldrich
Indivisible is http://indivisible.blue/ a free [[WordPress]] hosting company for the #resistance.
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tantek
Randall Deweerd, has deweerd.org but just uses it for email. wants to start building a site there
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GWG
I keep missing people's names
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tantek
(Alphaea (sp?)) has a micro.blog, heard about indieweb as a concept, here to learn
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GWG
Where are the Hello My URL is nametags?
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GWG
Next up, noahread.net
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GWG
Been trying to post to his website first and syndicate for a few years now.
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GWG
Typical microblogging type stuff that gets syndicated.
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GWG
That's him.
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schmarty
previously: Althea (not sure about my spelling, apologies) also currently has no website, but has used wordpress. interested in learning more and getting a site going.
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tantek
(sorry GWG, I totally spaced on the HELLO stickers)
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GWG
tantek: It just occurred to me
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tantek
Seneel (sp?) also doesn't have a website, here to learn
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schmarty
next up, aaronpk is back up. reviewing the schedule.
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GWG
aaronpk returns to the podium for a Building Blocks session
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GWG
Session grid will be created
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GWG
Topics to be discussed.
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GWG
Remember, you do not need to know anything to lead a session
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GWG
Barcamp style
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GWG
Two or three sessions in parallel
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GWG
Tomorrow...capture all of that energy and release it into our sites
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GWG
Feel free to interrupt aaronpk anytime
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GWG
The Basics
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GWG
1. You need a website/domain name
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GWG
Starting with a domain name is the key
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GWG
Then you have a place to put stuff
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GWG
If you llook at a cross section of people's website, they usually have the person's name, sometimes photo, often About/Bio, and then as we get into more social...a list of posts. It could be blog posts, or it could be things like microblog posts, photos, and other crazy stuff and experimental posts.
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GWG
aaronpk posts everything
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GWG
Bike rides, plane trips, exercise, food, drink...
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tantek
(Your /homepage is a building block )
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tantek
what is elsewhere
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "elsewhere" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10yu (Or just say "elsewhere is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG
Another common element are links to where you can find him or anyone in other places
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GWG
2. How can you do this yourself? The most important thing is to Just Do It. Make it useful to yourself, and then make it useful to interact with others
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tantek
(odd we have a /elsewhere page but Loqi is not finding it)
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tantek
(your /elsewhere links are a building block, useful for logging in to the wiki etc. with /IndieAuth )
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GWG
3. The next step is you can use your website to log into things, like our community wiki. If you try, it will ask you for your domain name, and it will give you ways to authenticate through other services. It did this because on his page, there is a little markup(rel=me) that allows a website to interpret what other profiles/services can be used to sign you in.
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GWG
That is just turning your website into a machine readable source for certain pieces of data
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GWG
4. The next popular thing is microblog posts/notes. We are seeing this because Twitter introduced the idea of posting short things without a title.
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GWG
Here are some examples... aaronparecki.com/notes
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GWG
It has no title, a date, etc
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GWG
The 'fun' part of this is that you can interact with them because of the way it is marked up
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GWG
People have 'liked' and 'replied' to his posts using Indieweb standards
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GWG
In this example, he wrote a reply on a micro.blog site, and aaronpk wanted to write back to him, so he used his website, but marked it up so that the other site knew that is was a reply and presented it as a comment
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GWG
This uses two protocols, webmentions and microformats
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chrisaldrich
What is webmention?
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Loqi
Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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GWG
Webmentions allowed his site to notify the other site that there was a mention of it. Microformats allows the other site to interpret the comment.
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chrisaldrich
What are microformats?
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Loqi
microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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GWG
That's how we are able to make sites with totally different codebases work together
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GWG
The way to turn it on.
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GWG
On WordPress, there are plugins
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GWG
If you are writing your own site, you can add a few things to your HTML. Webmentions are just simple POST Requests
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GWG
adds webmention.io as a hosted webmention servicve
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chrisaldrich
The /Known has them built into the core of the CMS.
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GWG
Webmention.io is a service where you copy two lines into your site header that handles webmentions and has an API to pull them out.
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GWG
Shows off the webmention.io dashboard
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GWG
There is another one called webmention.herokuapp.com with the same idea
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GWG
This one provides not only an API, but adds an HTML embed to render the comments
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GWG
That is....
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GWG
Shows martymcgui.re's Indieweb podcast as another example
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GWG
And how all mentions are propogated
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GWG
Offers an intro to Microformats next
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GWG
H-Card is a microformat that describes a person, place, or business
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GWG
notes the flashing blue indicating aaronpk is still at the point of last checkin
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GWG
Shows source showing an h-card
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GWG
His photo is marked up as u-photo to indicate it is a photo for consuming parsers
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GWG
u-url for URLs
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GWG
dt-bday for Birthdays
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GWG
Shows off minimal hcard by adding h-card to a link.
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GWG
Expands h-card to include photo
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Zegnat
dt-bday <3
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GWG
Next is h-entry, a post...
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GWG
h-entry is the full post, but has minimal required properties...so inside the content is e-content for the text of the post. dt-published for the time of publish...
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chrisaldrich
What is a parser?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "parser" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10yw (Or just say "parser is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG
So, if you look at the parsed version of the page, he uses a location properties, published property, content, etc
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GWG
You can see, with a couple of classes, you can add structure to the page
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GWG
He also added markup for his comments
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GWG
Demoing a minimal h-entry
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GWG
Hello, World
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GWG
You can start simple, and add complexity
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GWG
Checkin property for checkins, photo property for photos, etc
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GWG
You can start simple, and add complexity
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GWG
Moves on to posting interfaces
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GWG
aaronpk has no posting interface for his site.
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GWG
His admin is small.
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GWG
He uses Micropub based services instead
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GWG
For example, Quill, a micropub client
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tantek
(thought I saw a "reply" link on his post but that was on the micro.blog copy of the post)
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GWG
Quill tries to know how to sign you in, how to get credentials, and where to send posts.
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GWG
Shows the Quill note interface
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[miklb]
says hi
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GWG
Creates a post. Shows Syndication targets, location, etc.
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GWG
[miklb]: Hi
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@manton2
Aaron Parecki talking about the building blocks of the IndieWeb — your own domain name, types of posts, Microformats, Webmention, and more — at IndieWebCamp. https://aaronparecki.com/
(twtr.io/1ZDmSfmyhh9)
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GWG
A few people mentioned OwnYourGram/Swarm. They are also Micropub apps.
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Hello from IndieWebCamp Austin!
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GWG
Instead of posting notes, they post checkins/photos posted to those services back to your site.
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GWG
So, this is PESOS, Post Elsewhere, Syndicate Own Site
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GWG
OwnYourGram has a page showing people using it
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GWG
aaronpk demoes OYG to Micro.blog and Known.
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GWG
notices the drumming of the heating system
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GWG
aaronpk is demoing OYS now
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GWG
wonders if chrisaldrich will ever switch to OYS
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tantek
GWG let us know if you notice any patterns of prime numbers
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tantek
GWG in the drumming
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GWG
Shows preview in OwnYourSwarm
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GWG
Another example is the micro.blog iOS app.
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GWG
So, even though it was designed for micro.blog,, it uses Micropub, so aaronpk can use it
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GWG
wonders when the Android app is coming
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GWG
There is also a browser extension
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GWG
There is a question of whether assets are local or remote
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GWG
That is up to the server, not the client app
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GWG
However, Micropub supports uploading a photo as part of the specification
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tantek
aaronpk demonstrates reply to a tweet, but from his own website
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tantek
to do that he posts a copy on Twitter
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tantek
and links to it using a Twitter icon on the post itself
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tantek
this is the /posts-elsewhere building block
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GWG
One of the reasons that linking to Twitter is useful is that we want to show his reply on Twitter as a comment on our site.
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chrisaldrich
What is cross-posting?
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Loqi
Cross-posting is the social media practice of syndicating or placing the same content, possibly slightly modified, on numerous different websites https://indieweb.org/cross-posting
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tantek
his posts have a series of small icons next to the datetime published that link to copies of his posts in other places
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tantek
([chrisaldrich] this is more explicit /POSSE than general cross-posting)
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GWG
His reply only exists on Twitter. aaronpk doesn't want to do the Twitter API
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GWG
Someone has solved this
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GWG
Bridgy, brid.gy
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tantek
when people reply to aaronpk's post copies on Twitter, he wants those to show up on the original post on aaronpk's site
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GWG
It takes Twitter/Facebook/etc responses and turns them into webmentions
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GWG
So, aaronpk doesn't have to do anything
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GWG
This is for replies, favorites, retweets
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GWG
On WordPress, there are plugins for this
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GWG
interrupts for WordPress clarity
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GWG
pauses for applause
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GWG
aaronpk moves into how to follow people, an underdeveloped part of the ecosystem
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GWG
Covers PubSubHubBub aka WebSub
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GWG
This is How to Make Feeds Real Time
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GWG
When you post something, anyone who subscribes gets notified
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GWG
What they do is outside of the spec
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GWG
We are trying to prove the concept of following people
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GWG
There is a pretty good start to an Indieweb reader...brainstormed and prototyped this summer. Together.tpxl.io
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GWG
(Of Course chrisaldrich is on there)
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GWG
It's kind of neat to follow people from their own websites
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GWG
There is no 3rd party service
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chrisaldrich
Hello aaronpk!
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GWG
There are lots of different views by type
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GWG
Mostly Manton on Podcasts
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GWG
It's a start
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tantek
(This Together demo is blowing my mind)
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tantek
(wait is this microsub?)
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GWG
Moves to Monocle.... monocle.p3k.io, the new service that does the following of feeds. It doesn't do a user interface
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schmarty
tantek: Together is talking to Monocle over microsub, yep.
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GWG
But, because Monocle is a service, any app can work with it
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chrisaldrich
I've been quietly following the /microsub updates for a while... EXCITING stuff right?!!!!
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GWG
Since it is linked to his site, he can interact with posts by clicking 'like' buttons etc
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GWG
Why Cell Phone Battery?
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schmarty
aaronpk shows some of his extra features. his website always knows his location.
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tantek
use-case for sharing phone battery level: if you send aaronpk a message and he doesn't respond, if you can see his battery level is 0 then that might be why
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schmarty
also cell phone battery level and charging status, weather and time for current location
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tantek
new mini session:
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tantek
Community Resources
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tantek
the community has a website: indieweb.org
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tantek
that is where everything starts
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tantek
it links to everything else
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tantek
the website is a wiki
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tantek
available for anybody to edit
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tantek
if you try to login, it will ask you to login with your website
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tantek
if you don't have that, it has instructions to doing that (including /Getting_Started )
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tantek
website has /events
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tantek
including this one
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tantek
when is IWC Austin?
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Loqi
IndieWebCamp Austin 2017 was on 2017-12-09 at Capital Factory https://indieweb.org/IWC_Austin
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GWG
notes duck boat persists
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tantek
we also have a chat
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GWG
What is duck boat?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "duck boat" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10yx (Or just say "duck boat is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
indieweb.org/discuss
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GWG
leaves that to schmarty
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tantek
(GWG can you do that in meta)
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schmarty
duck boat is 🦆🦆
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tantek
Chat exists on IRC in freenode
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tantek
you can also join it from Slack
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[miklb]
waves from Slack 👋
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tantek
(shows chat.indieweb.org on the projector)
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aaronpk1
hi from the web chat
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chrisaldrich
Hi everyone!
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GWG
This message is coming from inside the building
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gRegorLove
Hi from IRC
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tantek
wiki, chat, ...
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tantek
... etherpad
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tantek
we are big on documentation
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chrisaldrich
is logged in on chat.indieweb.org, just as an example
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tantek
for this event we like to take notes on all the sessions
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[miklb]
howdy stefp
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GWG
Sessions are documented on Etherpad
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[stefp]
Hi
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GWG
We will create pads for each
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GWG
Hello, [stefp]
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tantek
the way we do that is on a collaborative note-taking tool called Etherpad
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tantek
we create one for each session in the schedule
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tantek
and link to it from the schedule
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GWG
etherpad.indieweb.org/something
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tantek
e.g. etherpad.indieweb.org/austin
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gRegorLove
If notes already exist in the etherpad for previous sessions, enter a few line breaks at the top and enter the newer notes at the top.
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tantek
at least someone in each session should take notes in the etherpad for the session
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tantek
great to have documentation for the sessions so we can learn and make progress as a community instead of just having the discussions be ephemeral
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tantek
we will try to live stream at least this room
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tantek
and maybe the second room too
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tantek
the other thing the chat can do
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tantek
is talk to the wiki
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GWG
What is a wiki?
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aaronpk_
what is a wiki?
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aaronpk_
what is a photo?
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Loqi
A photo is a post whose primary content is a photograph or other image, with an optional caption. With multiple photographs it becomes a multi-photo post https://indieweb.org/photo
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tantek
if you seem people talking about something you don't understand
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tantek
you can ask "what is..."
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GWG
The bot? It has a name
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aaronpk_
what is a bot?
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Loqi
robots are automated scripts that crawl, search or perform multiple requests for information https://indieweb.org/bot
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aaronpk_
what is Blue Star?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Blue Star" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10yz (Or just say "Blue Star is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is a breakfast taco?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "breakfast taco" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10z0 (Or just say "breakfast taco is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk_
Blue Star is a donut shop in Portland Oregon
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[miklb]
what is Blue Star
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Loqi
Blue Star is a donut shop in Portland Oregon https://indieweb.org/Blue_Star
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tantek
Blue Star << IndieWebSummit
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[2017]]" to the "See Also" section of /Blue_Star
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GWG
A breakfast taco is a breakfast item generously provided to Indiewebcamp Austin 2017 attendees
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tantek
GWG++
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Loqi
gwg has 223 karma in this channel (280 overall)
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/08/21/" to the "See Also" section of /Blue_Star
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] omg so portland #pdx #pdxcarpet #stumptowncoffee #bluestardonuts https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/08/21/photo.jpg
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GWG
What is love?
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GWG
#indieweb is for user level discussions, #indieweb-dev is for protocol and development stuff, #indieweb-wordpress is for WordPress specific questions and avoid GWG annoying everyone..
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GWG
#indieweb-meta is for talking about events and the community, organizing, etc
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GWG
#microformats, #bridgy, #known have channels for those topics
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GWG
#indieweb-chat is the offtopic unlogged discussion
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GWG
pauses for applause
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GWG
(Or not, again)
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GWG
aaronpk covers the code of conduct
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tantek
aaronpk++ for covering /code-of-conduct
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
session scheduling happening now
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chrisaldrich
hopes there's a microsub session
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chrisaldrich
what is patreon?
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Loqi
Patreon is a crowd-based, recurring funding site to support and pay content creators https://indieweb.org/Patreon
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Want to know what it feels like to see what the web will become tomorrow? Watch #IndieWeb Camp Austin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-09 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/want-to-know-what-it-feels-like-to-see-what
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@ChrisAldrich
Want to know what it feels like to see what the web will become tomorrow? Watch #IndieWeb Camp Austin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4zHGpvyig
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chrisaldrich
Build Idea for tomorrow: An IndieWebCamp session scheduler that captures the barcamp concept and maximizes session attendance based on interest priority
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chrisaldrich
Trello might actually already have the general functionality for capturing ^^
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[chrisaldrich]
aaronpk, tantek Make sure someone gets a photo of the session scheduling grid
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tantek
[chrisaldrich]: got it and now lunching-in so I can upload photos to the wiki
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Kaja
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k
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gRegorLove
Is there video for Johnny Five room?
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GWG
Shortly
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GWG
aaronpk is working on it
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tbbrown
what is the hashtag for micropub lifecycle?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "hashtag for micropub lifecycle" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10z2 (Or just say "hashtag for micropub lifecycle is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove
tbbrown: #micropub
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tbbrown
thank ou
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Kaja
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V70L0vqDss
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gRegorLove
tantek: heh, request in etherpad to point video at screen.
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@tomwiththeweath
attending #micropub lifecycle session at indiewebcamp livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V70L0vqDss
(twtr.io/1ZDzVSXQi9s)
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gRegorLove
tantek: microformats.io
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gRegorLove
nevermind
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chrisaldrich
schmarty, tantek: it would be even better if, instead of the camera, you were sharing schmarty's screen as he did this...
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gRegorLove
so we can see how many really is "too many" tabs ;)
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aaronpk1
/nick aaronpk_
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aaronpk_
lol oops
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XingcodeD3D
hi
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XingcodeD3D
hi
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gRegorLove
Hi XingcodeD3D
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XingcodeD3D
help
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chrisaldrich
XingcodeD3D what do you need help with?
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[miklb]
howdy asurasunil
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[asurasunil]
Hi everybody!
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tantek
welcome [asurasunil] !
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tantek
[asurasunil]++
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
Hiya [asurasunil]
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[slkhc]
waves
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[asurasunil]
👋
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tantek
welcome [slkhc]!
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tantek
[slkhc]++
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Loqi
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[miklb]
welcome slkhc
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[miklb]
is there a stream for the WordPress session? I haven’t checked the video links yet today
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GWG
Yes, apparently
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chrisaldrich
GWG, the micropub session doing screensharing into the live video was actually pretty nice for the remote folks. Consider it for WordPress depending on how you proceed
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[miklb]
thanks gRegorLove
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schmarty
haha sorry folks, i wasn't looking at the chat :|
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Loqi
hehe
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gRegorLove
schmarty: GWG is a bit hard to hear in WordPress session
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gRegorLove
Someone should take notes too
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schmarty
we're at time on session 2
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schmarty
schedule grid has Payments in the Wall-E room
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gRegorLove
schmarty: Did the schedule get pushed back 15, or just the first session started late and was cut short?
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schmarty
session started late. seems to still be rolling because it started late.
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tantek
yeah I think we ran over in session one and now everything is 10-15min behind
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gRegorLove
Ok, I updated the grid a bit ago to reflect that
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@tomwiththeweath
Payments, Pledges, and Donations #indieweb livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMhXReda8k
(twtr.io/1ZE7qQWHNLp)
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gRegorLove
The 55% number includes VAT
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gRegorLove
For US, $1 pledge costs $1.38
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gRegorLove
(re: pledge session, Patreon fees)
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gRegorLove
recurring donation for every breakfast taco eaten
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tantek
gRegorLove can you take notes from what you hear?
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gRegorLove
Sure. schmarty is taking good notes so far
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tantek
oh? didn't see them
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gRegorLove
and [chrisaldrich]
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tantek
in the etherpad?
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gRegorLove
Maybe it's slow updating there due to the slow tubes :)
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schmarty
haha, i would like to see a swear jar implementation
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Loqi
schmarty: lol
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gRegorLove
9 minutes left for this session
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gRegorLove
session is at time
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gRegorLove
tantek++ great session
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Loqi
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aaronpk
[manton] can you unlock the other door?
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Kaja
[youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su32QOKQDB8
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chrisaldrich
audio session: How could we build an audio discovery platform to replace iTunes in a more concerted fashion? IndieNews for audio perhaps?
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chrisaldrich
audio session: it would be nice if more podcasts supported /listen functionality to indicate the number of listeners vs. comments/replies, etc.
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gRegorLove
schmarty, tantek: I don't know if benwerd has done much with it recently, but /Wavelist was a curated podcasts playlist
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@t
led #IndieWebCamp #Austin session on Payments, Pledges, and Donations, Oh My! Discussed: * #indieweb.org/pay pages work: http://tantek.com/pay * #Patreon backlash, creators/patrons stuck * or use Stripe, @W3C #Payment Request API Session Notes: http://tantek.com/t4rp1
(twtr.io/1ZEF1L1Foq8)
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tantek
is now making good use of 280 chars :D
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gRegorLove
post type session: imo bookmarks seem primarily for the author first, to find the link later, and optionally for others to discover content.
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gRegorLove
... likes/favorites seem primarily for the author of the liked content first
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gRegorLove
... as a feedback mechanism. likes/favorites serve for discovery too, though
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tantek
FYI: Friendfeed introduced the "like" button/link, just over 10 years ago! https://indieweb.org/like#FriendFeed
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[chrisaldrich]
post type session: I view them all as posts with links (thus a linkblog): reads are things I've actually spent the time to read, favorites (things that are personally important to me), likes, bookmarks (things that seem interesting and I want to either read it later or revisit it)
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[chrisaldrich]
Likes I use to mean thanks or props to the original post or author.
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[chrisaldrich]
Often on Twitter, I'll use the like to convey to the author of a back and forth conversation that I've "seen" their post.
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[chrisaldrich]
and may not necessarily reply directly.
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gRegorLove
like nothing / hate nothing sounds pretty zen. :)
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chrisaldrich
GWG, the nice thing about Post Kinds is that one can change the physical definition of Like, favorite, etc. within the plugin. (One needs to manually modify the code at present...)
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gRegorLove
what is a chicken?
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Loqi
chicken is a type of post supported by idno https://indieweb.org/chicken
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gRegorLove
Oh, checkin.
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chrisaldrich
I suspect part of GWG's issue is that he's writing Post Kinds which "forces" definitions of post kinds for people.
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gRegorLove
what is jam?
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Loqi
jam is an active type of post used to share a song that you are recently enjoying https://indieweb.org/jam
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gRegorLove
/jam is active, /listen is passive
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[chrisaldrich]
To solve GWGs proximal issue, perhaps making the human readable part of his interface definable by the user would suffice. Then each person and site could define their own definitions.
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gRegorLove
[chrisaldrich]++ agreed. Customized plaintext summaries sounds most flexible
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Loqi
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[chrisaldrich]
I do make active /listen posts for podcasts I'm listening to.
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gRegorLove
Interesting. Individual episodes?
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[chrisaldrich]
Yes, individual episodes.
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gRegorLove
Cool. Example link?
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gRegorLove
Nice embedding of the media too
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[chrisaldrich]
I put broader podcasts I'm interested to into an OPML file on my following page: http://boffosocko.com/about/following/#Podcasts
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Loqi
Following
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chrisaldrich
I often break mine up into statues (things I'm doing) versus links (external sites of interest to me or my readers)
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gRegorLove
What is venue?
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Loqi
A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indieweb.org/venue
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gRegorLove
It's been a good first day IWC Austin
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chrisaldrich
Tantek: I think the tough part of person tags is they're typically an action taken on a piece of content (PESOS) rather than something that feels native doing on one's own site first (POSSE). They might feel more natural if they're done as PESOS with Micropub?
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chrisaldrich
Manton++ for kicking it all into motion!
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Loqi
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tantek
chrisaldrich, when I'm viewing others photos through an integrated /reader on my own site, then they're one and the same
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek: that's a great point, but I get the feeling that that most of us don't have that interface yet.
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sknebel
chrisaldrich are you thinking about posting them or viewing them?