#indieweb 2017-12-11

2017-12-11 UTC
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gRegorLove
Most videos are now linked from the Austin Schedule: https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin/Schedule
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gRegorLove
Only one missing is the webmention one. Think it needs to be published on the youtube channel.
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gRegorLove
!tell tbbrown On your likes, looks like you need an explicit u-url property with the URL of your like. Without that and only one link inside the h-entry, that one link is used as the implied URL. See: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fherestomwiththeweather.com%2Fsocial%2F2017%2F12%2F10%2F82343%2F
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove
!tell chrisaldrich as a fellow /read poster, would appreciate your thoughts on https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/my-project-for-todays-indiewebcamp/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[gRegor Morrill] My project for today's IndieWebCamp Austin was initially to update my fork of Quill for posting read posts. I started by getting my fork of Quill updated. As I was working through some questions about how to include the action being taken on the bo...
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[manton]
Thanks everyone!
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schmarty
manton++ thank you! Great space, great food, great times! A++++++++ would camp again
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Loqi
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@manton2
Worked on expanding http://Micro.blog’s Micropub endpoint with support for bookmark-of today during IndieWebCamp Austin. The weekend really helped clarify how I want to approach replies, favorites/bookmarks, and other reactions.
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Loqi
Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "#AVRFreaks – Building communities (notes) The AVR wiki (@ATMEL) on AVRFreaks is no more …?" by phillip torrone on 2017-12-11 https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/12/11/avrfreaks-building-communities-notes-the-avr-wiki-atmel-on-avrfreaks-is-no-more/
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gRegorLove
Love this: https://00dani.me/cats/the-real-cat-here-is-me, with little paw prints and everything.
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gRegorLove
( /categories ... it's on topic :)
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Zegnat
Happy new week IndieWeb
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@kopfzeiler
Feine Menschen und fleißige #IndieWeb-Pioniere getroffen: Hat mir gefallen auf dem #IndieWebCamp in #Austin am Samstag. Viel Lob für deutsche Code-Beiträge, btw. (Foto via http://bit.ly/2BS698I) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQulzVfV4AIJVWz.jpg
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "WP Tavern über Micro.blog" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2017-02-01 https://notiz.blog/2017/02/01/wp-tavern-ueber-micro-blog/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "10 Jahre notizBlog" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2015-12-07 https://notiz.blog/2015/12/07/10-jahre-notizblog/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWordPress – WordCamp Frankfurt" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2016-09-23 https://notiz.blog/2016/09/23/indiewordpress-wordcamp-frankfurt/
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jeremycherfas
Happy new week to you too zegnat
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Loqi
jeremycherfas: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 27 minutes ago: are you working on recurring donations? pledges? like Patreon? per time period (e.g. monthly) or per action (e.g. /article published) ?
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jeremycherfas
Tantek I want to reduce overheads for supporters as much as possible, so my main goal has been a recurring pledge, but for six months. That covers about 10 shows, averaged over the past 4 years. That's with Stripe. I have still to work on a PayPal option, non-recurring, and maybe a Stripe too, for a single one-off donation.
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sknebel
good morning everyone!
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[jeremycherfas]
For some obscure (to me) reason my IRC client (Textual) seemed to be flaky this morning. So I’m going to hang out on Slack for a while instead.
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schmarty
good morning, indieweb
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GWG
Good morning
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Loqi
good morning
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@no_identd
@KialoHQ @argumentmapping @discourse @opensynthesis @edgeryders @ParticipateDB @kwheaton @CScienceEditors @TheTedNelson @arnicas @MKrzywinski to Ted's zzstructure, and to Hollow heaps. Your monetization seems via the SaaS route, which seems positive, yet in a likely bout of Not-Invented-Here-Syndrome, you tried reinventing the wheel and as a consequence lack support for open web protocols fostered by e.g. @IndieWebCamp
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@no_identd
@KialoHQ @argumentmapping @discourse @opensynthesis @edgeryders @ParticipateDB @kwheaton @CScienceEditors @TheTedNelson @arnicas @MKrzywinski @indiewebcamp This causes lock-in to vendor proprietary designs once more, which in the case of discussion, debate, discourse & delineation platforms INEVITABLE leads to users having to reinvent the wheel too, instead of having the ability to DIRECTLY transclude an argument into another debate
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@no_identd
@KialoHQ @argumentmapping @discourse @opensynthesis @edgeryders @ParticipateDB @kwheaton @CScienceEditors @TheTedNelson @arnicas @MKrzywinski @indiewebcamp A concept which requires a rather complex licensing scheme, as also outlined by @TheTedNelson, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3l7CpnpyGw In summary: So far, your platform seems a far cry from the hyperaccelerative revolution Transhuman information routing & processes would require. But: you
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[miklb]
is tantek tweeting under a pseudonym?
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aaronpk
Oh No we're stuck in a tweet canoe
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@no_identd
@KialoHQ @argumentmapping @discourse @opensynthesis @edgeryders @ParticipateDB @kwheaton @CScienceEditors @TheTedNelson @arnicas @MKrzywinski @indiewebcamp do seem to have some VC for this kind of thing. So perhaps you wanna go read David Andrews "The I. R. G. Solution"(from 1984), go back to the drawing board, open source everything, & try again. Otherwise, you constitute yet one more instance of @xkcd #927: https://xkcd.com/927/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQxcbYrUQAI3RNT.jpg
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tantek
[miklb]: 😂
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@OpenRightsBrum
Just a quick reminder that tonight's #indieweb meetup @BOMlab has been cancelled due to the snow. Sorry for any inconvenience this has caused. Stay safe (and warm!) and see you again in 2018!
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@tmcw
i switched from goodreads to owning my data and publishing it my own website: https://macwright.org/2017/12/11/indieweb-reading.html
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[cleverdevil]
Good morning, IndieWeb!
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aaronpk
morning!
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[cleverdevil]
How was IWC Austin?
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Loqi
morning!
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aaronpk
super fun!
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[cleverdevil]
I really wish I could have been there. Next time!
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GWG
cleverdevil, best IWC since the last
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[cleverdevil]
Were the sessions recorded? Were the notes posted somewhere?
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@schmarty
Your ~ 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for December 2nd - 8th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/12/11/121127/
(twitter.com/_/status/940268511049453569)
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aaronpk
yes and yes!
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[cleverdevil]
Ah, I found it on the wiki
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tantek_
schmarty++
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Loqi
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GWG
cleverdevil, I am continuing on to HWC Florida
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GWG
It's a week long solo hack session
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[cleverdevil]
Haha, awesome.
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Loqi
rofl
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tantek
worth indienews!
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@huffduffer
This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • December 2nd - 8th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/446691
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@cleverdevil
Sifting through the notes and videos from #IndieWebCamp Austin, and really wishing I could have attended! Lots of awesome information and details. I'm especially interested in @manton's progress on http://Micro.blog.https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin
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[eddie]
@cleverdevil you know by “next time” you could mean IWC Baltimore 😉
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[cleverdevil]
Heh, we shall see!
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[cleverdevil]
Lots of things happening in life right now, but I expect to be able to start planning for 2018 in the next few weeks.
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[cleverdevil]
Which is helpful, since, you know, 2018 is right around the corner.
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[eddie]
Haha that is helpful. It’s good the planning won’t occur in day 6 months 😁
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[eddie]
Say* not day
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aaronpk
alright who's going to post something for today's indieweb challenge? https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge or does the audio newsletter count?
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tyler-android
Are indieweb protocols limited to http?
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aaronpk
short answer: it's indie*web*, and web is http, so yes
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aaronpk
if it's not http, then it's indie, but not indieweb
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tyler-android
Are indieweb protocols limited to http?
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schmarty
I’m biased but I would count the audio newsletter
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[jeremycherfas]
I’d count my payments, but the only thing Indie about that is I now depend on two additional providers.
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aaronpk
ooh did you blog about that?
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[jeremycherfas]
Not yet. It was all I could manage to get everything actually working, without obsessing about presentation more than necessary.
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[jeremycherfas]
Blogging is first thing on my agenda for tomorrow morning.
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[jeremycherfas]
I suppose I do now own the details of the contributors, but I could download their emails (but nothing else?) from Patreon before.
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benwerd
I added a mission statement to my website following evanpro's example. Has anyone else done this? https://werd.io/pages/mission
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Zegnat
What is a mission?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "mission" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mission is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat
What is a mission statement?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "mission statement" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mission statement is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove
Not yet, benwerd, but seeing your note about it re-sparked my interest in doing that.
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snarfed
interesting idea for prioritizing longer term over shorter term
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GWG
Interesting
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sknebel
interesting (I have a folder for such feeds that I can poke in and know to find longform stuff, but doing it automatically is interesting)
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[manton]
Nice feature. "Infrequent Site Stories" is kind of a mouthful, but I like the idea.
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sknebel
(said folder is also the main reason why I "need" per-item read tracking)
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dgold
how did IWC Houston go?
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GWG
I'm not sure, I was at Indiewebcamp Austin
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dgold
AUstin, yes, sorry
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dgold
all these foreign places look the same to me
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GWG
dgold, and I can't tell a Kerry from a Derry
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gRegorLove
dgold: It was good, in my remote attendee experience. :)
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gRegorLove
Session notes and videos are up on https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin/Schedule
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tantek
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
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tantek
that's definitely worth the IndieWeb Challenge for today
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gRegorLove
that was all done yesterday though :)
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tantek
what is indieweb challenge
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Loqi
The IndieWeb Challenge is to collectively ship something IndieWeb-related every day of December! https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Challenge
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tantek
gRegorLove: even better - we need for yesterday!
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @tantek Requesting $16 for the Blue Star donuts! 🍩 https://aaronparecki.com/pay/16
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tantek
lol public invoices
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aaronpk
Could be private if you supported /private-webmention ;-)
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tantek
now that I have enough $ in my venmo from benwerd for Thor, I can pay you aaronpk 😂
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tantek
also FYI I'm @t as the bio on @tantek says :P
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tantek
(and here I thought you had a /nicknames-cache that did @-names for you automatically)
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aaronpk
I thought so too oops
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aaronpk
lol I just realize if I display webmentions on my Pay page it'll show all the requests I send
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aaronpk
I just got the webmention notification about my post linking to that page
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tantek
aaronpk what's the point of linking an @-mention to a twitter identity in a post that you're not POSSEing to Twitter?
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aaronpk
It's just my autolink code
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aaronpk
If I had the nick cache working right it would have linked to your site. Twitter is a fallback
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tantek
ohh, you typed @tantek? and your code was supposed to replace it with a link? but your post is in-reply-to tantek.com so that's why I'm confused - the inconsistence between the reply-context and the content
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aaronpk
Yeah I typed your domain in the reply to field , then also typed @tantek in the note text
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tantek
oh no! one should have made it so you didn't have to type the other!
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aaronpk
Yeah it's a bit of a trick. I think we need some better nickname cache stuff in Micropub for that to work well in Quill
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tantek
if you're typing into the reply field already, you shouldn't need to type the @-names into the note text
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tantek
certainly Twitter no longer requires it
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aaronpk
I don't want to have my note text include a URL in the display version
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aaronpk
I want the note to look like @tantek but link to your site
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[cleverdevil]
Interesting piece of inspiration for folks, here. My website has an "on this day" page -> https://cleverdevil.io/onthisday/
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[cleverdevil]
So, I made a thing that sends me an email version of it on a daily basis.
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[cleverdevil]
Its a fun way to remember to view your daily memories!
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[eddie]
cleverdevil Oh nice! I get too much emails so I probably wouldn't actually want an email personally but that is a really cool prompting for memories
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aaronpk
That's a clever hack from a clever devil
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[cleverdevil]
The cool thing is that Known includes a "email" template, so I just fetch https://cleverdevil.io/onthisday/?_t=email
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[cleverdevil]
Makes a version decent enough for consumption in an email client.
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Zegnat
Part of me is disappointed that URL didn’t give an actual ready and done .eml file.
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[cleverdevil]
That would be easy enough to do with Known, actually.
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gRegorLove
cleverdevil++
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
Push notification on the phone could be cool for that too. Google Photos does that.
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[cleverdevil]
That's true. I could actually do it as a Pushover notification.
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[cleverdevil]
I have my website send me notifications through Pushover for webmentions/activity./
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Zegnat
How is Pushover for you [cleverdevil]? I currently use email to quasi get notifications on my phone.
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[cleverdevil]
I like it well enough. I wish there was a way to filter notifications, but generally speaking it’s great.
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sknebel
reminds me, now that I have a new phone I can investigate web push again
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aaronpk
I need some way to update my itinerary posts when my flight legs change
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tantek
aaronpk also your /now page should swtich to live flight tracking after you check into a flight on Swarm :)
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tantek
(because presumably checking into the flight means you're on the plane)
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aaronpk
heh I implemented live flight tracking a while ago but it hits a billed API and I ran out of free credits
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tantek
wat - no way to just embed a web view? like iframe?
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aaronpk
I want the GPS data!
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tantek
maybe reduce the polling frequency so you don't run out of credits?
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sknebel
free for non-commercial use, not sure about data quality though
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aaronpk
oh neat
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aaronpk
i'll have to look into that
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aaronpk
the trick is always finding the right tail number for the flight
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tantek
what is a flight
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tantek
flight << https://www.adsbexchange.com/ - co-op of flight data
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://www.adsbexchange.com/ - co-op of flight data" to the "See Also" section of /flight
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Making RSVP posts less painful" https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/12/11/13/article/
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aaronpk
Eddie++
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Loqi
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GWG
sknebel, I should feed those guys
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