#indieweb 2017-12-12

2017-12-12 UTC
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joha Hi! I have a question: I tried to install some indieweb-plugins on my wordpress-blog and the Parser-php always makes everything crash w/ a syntax error ("Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING" -> "wp-content/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/vendor/mf2/mf2/Mf2/Parser.php on line 3"
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joha Line 3 is simply: namespace Mf2;
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GWG joha, the minimum requirements aren't being met, I think
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GWG The plugin requires PHP 5.3. You must be running 5.2
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GWG joha, I would like to help though
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joha Where can I look which version I run?
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GWG joha, who is your service provider?
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GWG Hosting
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GWG joha, let's move to the WordPress room. I see you joined
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joha I try to figure it out, should be options in my customer menu of the provider (It's a European one).
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joha Ah, correct, it's 5.2 stable.
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joha Cool thing, I wonder why they don't do auto-updates for customers who don't have a webmaster. Everything works find, thanks so much @GWG!
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schmarty !tell [manton] I can't seem to add my feed to my micro.blog/schmarty account. i removed my old atom feed from granary-demo.appspot.com. now when i add a json or atom feed from granary.io the form submits and shows no errors but also shows no feed. :[
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG joha, anything else?
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GWG Happy to help
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GWG I wrote the thing, love input
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schmarty !tell [manton] also on airplane wifi each page load seems to hang for a long time on requests from cdnjs.cloudflare.com. which seems... ironic?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk why is it the CDNs always end up being the ones holding up the page load? today on the plane I've seen more "waiting for fonts.google..." and "blablabl.cloudfront.net" than normal. and if you cancel the pageload you can usually end up seeing at least unstyled text.
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Ruxton because the other DNS entries were pre-fetched, cached and data potentially pulled inside the same connection if at least HTTP/1.1, the CDN's initiate new DNS queries, new connections and tend to pull a stack of libraries larger than the content of the page
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Ruxton the stupid part is half the time you're waiting for that response, just to find out it's 304 not modified and load the cached one
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deltab if they were marked immutable they wouldn't have to be checked so often
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Ruxton weekly cache expiries would be fine for most libraries
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schmarty !tell [manton] i guess there was a hiccup of some kind. after enough persistence and retrying... my JSONFeed shows up now! 🎉
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk that reminds me, I need to figure out why some of my photos aren't showing up in micro.blog
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk: micro.blog only shows photos if the feed’s content has an html img tag. It doesn’t support any images as attachments in the feeds or anything. I haven’t looked at your feed but that might be tied in to it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk oh yeah, I knew that about Atom, but I thought it supported photos from a jsonfeed
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 1 minute ago: micro.blog only shows photos if the feed’s content has an html img tag. It doesn’t support any images as attachments in the feeds or anything. I haven’t looked at your feed but that might be tied in to it
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[eddie] From what I understand (and I could be wrong because I never got my jsonfeed working) but I think its only based on the content property currently
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aaronpk oh snap well that would explain it.
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@jackysee The code I used getting twitter embed html for reposting in wordpress. #IndieWeb https://gist.github.com/jackysee/72af69c5a077abf89300d72b744f0a8b (twitter.com/_/status/940416236109946881)
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[miklb] aaronpk Maybe I should switch to your JSON feed in News Explorer to see if I get images. Still nothing in Atom
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aaronpk there's definitely an `image` property in my jsonfeed (thanks to granary)
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aaronpk it looks like there's an <img> tag in my atom feed content too so i'm not sure why you wouldn't be seeing that
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[miklb] something with News Explorer I’m sure. I removed the old feed I had, auto-discovery from Safari to News Explorer picked up the atom feed, still no images
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[manton] schmarty Thanks, glad it eventually worked. Not aware of any errors there, so hopefully it was airplane wi-fi... But I'll do some more testing of the feeds page.
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[manton] aaronpk I confirmed that Micro.blog currently ignores the JSON Feed image. As eddie said, it really wants it in the content_html. (It can be in both places... And perhaps Micro.blog should be more flexible about this.)
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aaronpk [manton]: I think supporting the property in JSONFeed will be a good step towards native photo posts in general
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[jeremycherfas] Infrequent Site Stories, even without it being a feature, is one of the reasons I love feeds. Glad I use Newsblur.
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[eddie] I think even more important than just feeds is channels (or whatever a reader calls it). Because when you have just one river, the frequent will always override the rare. Wither podcasts, status updates or blog posts
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[eddie] s/Wither/Whether/
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aaronpk Exactly, that's a big reason I like separating what I'm following
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aaronpk There's no reason a Microsub server couldn't be clever like that and dynamically create its own channels based on frequency of posts in the feeds
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aaronpk Or rather, avoiding the double negative,
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aaronpk a Microsub server could definitely be clever like that and dynamically create its own channels based on frequency of posts in the feed
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[jeremycherfas] All my feeds received are in their own folder. I never just read the river.
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Zegnat Hmm, does this mean I need my twitter handle as domain name so this autolinking will work? https://twitter.com/t/status/940382393097228288
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@t @aaronpk.com paid in full via Venmo! Thanks for the @BlueStarDonuts! 🍩🍩🍩🍩 (ttk.me t4rr1) (twitter.com/_/status/940382393097228288)
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Ruxton Zegnat: that's was just twitter parsing the text, realising it was a valid username in twitter and linking it (note the username is linked, not the domain)
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Zegnat yes, but the original http://tantek.com/2017/345/t1/aaronpk-paid-thanks links the entire @aaronpk.com
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] @aaronpk.com paid in full via Venmo! Thanks for the @BlueStarDonuts! 🍩🍩🍩🍩
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Zegnat So if you want both the auto-linking to work on the original copy and on the POSSE twitter copy you need to have your twitter handle as domain name (as aaronpk has)
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Ruxton Yes but also easily done by just linking the domain like <a href="http://tanktek.com">@t</a> when you write the post then you'll get links in the post and the POSSE'd to twitter copy
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Zegnat Sure. And you can also have a cache of names (which I think aaronpk and sebsel have) to make sure the Twitter copy gets the correct name. Lots of solutions. I just thought this specific case was interesting
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Ruxton I get the feeling you might be seeing something that doesn't exist ;)
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Ruxton I take that back, I just read th autolink js in CASSIS O_O
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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jeremycherfas Busy?
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jeremycherfas What is pronouns
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Loqi A pronoun is a word that people often use to refer to other people or objects instead of their names; on the indieweb you can express which pronouns should be used to refer to you https://indieweb.org/pronouns
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jeremycherfas Pronouns << http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=35776
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Loqi ok, I added "http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=35776" to the "See Also" section of /pronoun
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[xavierroy] Is listening to an audiobook considered a 'listen' kind or is it a 'read' kind?
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Zegnat I would say listen. Definitely a different experience from “just” reading
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Zegnat The pronoun thing is stil going, jeremycherfas? It is interesting ow all replies in the discussion are published on the same blog
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sknebel treating the blog like a journal or other paper-publication
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jeremycherfas It is a very academic group blog.
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jeremycherfas And the original author closes comments on all his posts.
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jeremycherfas So one of the replies was a comment on a completely different post that was open.
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sknebel listen vs read is interesting. I'd agree that "read" seems weird, so I'd tend towards listen and handle grouping differently - because for overview purposes I'D likely want audiobooks grouped with books and not music
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sknebel jeremycherfas: is that all between a closed set of regular contributors or do they publish stuff from "outsiders" that's convincing there?
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sknebel (I've seen sites with "if you have comments, e-mail me and indicate if you agree to them being published")
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jeremycherfas Each author has the ability to decide on each individual post of theirs. They also publish guest posts.
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[eddie] Yeah, the read vs. listen of audiobooks is difficult. Since I down currently “own my reads” I don’t have things in a “best case scenario”. As such, to date in Goodreads I’ve had to track audiobooks the same as reading.
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[eddie] I don’t know what was a physical or audiobook anymore so when I backfeed those, it’ll be all as “read”
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[eddie] Grouping gets very difficult but I can also see use in listen verses read. It would allow me to find out how many “hours” I listened to a book rather than trying to turn that into pages “read” because I wouldn’t have actually read that many pages
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[xavierroy] I use a Google spreadsheet also as a backup. In that I have hours listened metric for audiobooks whereas Goodreads just considers them as a book.
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[xavierroy] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6Gb6GvAikHhVOcq1bgHxDtUtX7rHWRbK0QbKfKSLn0/edit?usp=drivesdk
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@schmarty Tonight! Come to @DHFBaltimore @ 6:30pm for @HWCBaltimore! Work on your personal website and make a web for you, not them! We'll also be talking about last weekend's @indiewebcamp Austin ... and announcing IndieWebCamp Baltimore Jan 20-21, 2018! Details: https://martymcgui.re/2017/12/04/184001/ (twitter.com/_/status/940580362274689025)
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[eddie] wow xavierroy That's amazing!
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[xavierroy] I use the same data to display http://xavierroy.com/library/
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[xavierroy] Though I admit I haven't updated this year's sheet since May. 😀
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[eddie] lol, fair enough. But wow! This library site is like my envisioned future of what I would like for my site
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[eddie] Definitely gonna come back to this page in the future 🙂
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[xavierroy] eddie thanks.
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[xavierroy] Though I'm contemplating if this should be a Jekyll based site off GitHub like https://github.com/alexcarpenter/library-jekyll-theme
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Loqi [alexcarpenter] library-jekyll-theme: Create a digital bookshelf using Jekyll.
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[xavierroy] But maybe with Hugo, instead of Jekyll
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[eddie] I would definitely suggest Hugo over Jekyll. Jekyll hasn't handled my growing data well, in my opinion
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[xavierroy] Yes. I am just learning to use Hugo. I like its architecture better, though a better search or filter method would be great. I'm hesitant to move away from Simile as I like its filter/search option
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@cswordpress @ryancduff &lt;cough&gt;Indieweb&lt;/cough&gt; (twitter.com/_/status/940593010223357953)
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@nueww Für alle Website-Bauer und Indie-Leser: Morgen ist wieder der Homebrew Website Club im @tollwerk in #Nürnberg!🎉 Um 18 Uhr geht’s los!😜 #nueww http://nueww.link/websiteclubdez (twitter.com/_/status/940597130997088257)
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jeremycherfas !tell aaronpk here's my write-up https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/getting-payments-to-work Not very useful for genuine developers.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Getting payments to work
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@jkphl Oh yeah! Swing by and tinker on your personal site with us — maybe there's some mulled wine involved as well. Who knows? ;) #indieweb https://twitter.com/nueww/status/940597130997088257 (twitter.com/_/status/940597725166530560)
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jeremycherfas I would like to understand how rel=payments works and whether I should use it.
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sknebel jeremycherfas: small piece of feedback about site: it'd be nice if the click-targets for the footnotes would be a bit bigger (e.g. I think Zegnat links the word before the footnote to the footnote as well?) - not sure if there is an elegant way to get that automated?
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jeremycherfas Sknebel I absolutely agree. They used to be bigger, and then I changed some CSS and they shrank again. Need to fix that urgently.
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Zegnat Oh, interesting for event name tags: https://twitter.com/kencheeto/status/939954522683609089
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@kencheeto Red/yellow/green nametag markers to signal how much social interaction is desired at @AlterConf. so smart, i want to wear these every day #alterconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQtjpxQUIAAsUhZ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/939954522683609089)
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Zegnat And yes, I link the word. Because that’s how https://www.sitepoint.com/accessible-footnotes-css/ does it. The numbers are actually just CSS counters (so they are always in order)
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jeremycherfas I need to check how my plugin implements it to see whether I can do that. But a bigger number would be a good start.
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sknebel I think rel=payment was mostly used by flattr. What aaronpk implemented on the weekend was the W3C payment apis, which give access to credit card credentials stored in the browser if I understood correctly (would need to watch the demos again)
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jeremycherfas There is a fair bit on the mf2 wiki that I need to read again carefully.
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schmarty sknebel: that is correct! aaronpk used a Stripe feature that supports both W3C Payment Request API and Apply Pay.
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schmarty s/Apply/Apple/
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jeremycherfas Footnotes in Grav are part of native Markdown support, so not sure how I can change the way it is rendered as HTML. But I can definitely change the presentation.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Owning my Reading and 100 Days of Reading Chapters" https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/12/12/2/article/
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sknebel what is storify?
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Loqi Storify is a silo for creating collections https://indieweb.org/Storify
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sknebel Storify << Shutting down 2018-05-16 https://storify.com/faq-eol
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Loqi ok, I added "Shutting down 2018-05-16 https://storify.com/faq-eol" to the "See Also" section of /Storify
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[manton] Storify shutting down is a big loss. Ugh.
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@manton2 IndieWebCamp Austin wrap-up: http://www.manton.org/2017/12/indiewebcamp-austin-wrap-up.html (twitter.com/_/status/940637262714490881)
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@HongPong storify: Another monument to a good idea swallowed by inevitable VC linkrot ideology. OStatus embeds will rise again. Support #indieweb @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/Chronotope/status/940630693687808000 (twitter.com/_/status/940638007975141382)
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[miklb] wonder how much that closing has to do with this https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/twitter-officially-launches-threads-a-new-feature-for-easily-writing-tweetstorms/?ncid=rss
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gRegorLove What is Storify?
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Loqi Storify is a silo for creating collections https://indieweb.org/Storify
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWebCamp Austin wrap-up | Manton Reece" http://www.manton.org/2017/12/indiewebcamp-austin-wrap-up.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/12/7/)
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[miklb] Didn’t realize Adobe had bought Storify
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gRegorLove Heh, Storify 2. "If you are interested in gaining access to Storify 2, a feature of Livefyre, you will be required to purchase a Livefyre license."
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gRegorLove What is Livefyre?
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Loqi Livefyre is an Enterprise Social Web Platform used by hundreds of Publishers and Brands for commenting, chat, reviews, and social content marketing https://indieweb.org/Livefyre
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gRegorLove Storify << Livefyre
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Livefyre]]" to the "See Also" section of /Storify
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[andrea_arbogast “Turn your audience into a content machine.” Wow.
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gRegorLove Heh. That line really gives the warm fuzzies
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tantek manton++
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Loqi manton has 35 karma in this channel (38 overall)
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[miklb] what is Virtual HWC
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Loqi Virtual HWC is an online Homebrew Website Club for IndieWebbers who either can’t make a regular meeting or don’t yet have critical mass to host one in their area https://indieweb.org/Virtual_HWC
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@cswordpress @mor10 @YouTooCanBeGuru @photomatt @kevinwhoffman I agree with Matt. The Indieweb is good for you Morten. LinkedIn's closed platform is not. Hopefully you're merely syndicating to LinkedIn. (twitter.com/_/status/940671057983307779)
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@cswordpress @kevinwhoffman @memathews @YouTooCanBeGuru @mor10 @photomatt One of the things I'm looking forward to with Gutenberg is that we'll be able to write blocks for Indieweb things like post kinds, wrap them in their appropriate microformats 2 markup, and let people insert them into content without having to learn MF2. (twitter.com/_/status/940671444278792193)
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schmarty woah
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gRegorLove I looked at LinkedIn briefly yesterday for the first time in a while. The dashboard page is much more like a Facebook wall now.
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gRegorLove er, news feed, not wall
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gRegorLove They also have filters for your photo now, heh
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[miklb] ha! I made an opaque comment about that series of articles being on Linkedin last week.
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[miklb] “future of WordPress” and it’s posted on Linkedin.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to Creating an Archive of a Set of Tweets by Aaron Davis" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-12 http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/12/reply-to-creating-an-archive-of-a-set-of-tweets-by-aaron-davis/
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snarfed khurtwilliams[m] i noticed that you're trying out bridgy fed. cool! looks like it's not working because your post has an h-entry inside another h-entry, and the u-in-reply-to links are all in the inner one. bridgy fed doesn't handle nested entries like that.
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@ChrisAldrich @Chronotope @acarvin Yet another reminder in a seemingly long and unending list of reasons for why journalists (and everyone really) should have their own websites and tools. https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Journalism (twitter.com/_/status/940685306507988992)
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snarfed khurtwilliams[m]: (and now it looks like you have an entire h-cite marked as p-in-reply-to, which also won't work. https://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=https://islandinthenet.com/test-2/ )
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snarfed feel free to follow up in #indieweb-dev!
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aaronpk hm my replies also use h-cite in the reply-to property
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Loqi aaronpk: jeremycherfas left you a message 5 hours, 51 minutes ago: here's my write-up https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/getting-payments-to-work Not very useful for genuine developers.
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aaronpk ->dev
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khurtwilliams snarfed, was testing things out with Bridgy Fed and it’s obvious I don’t know how it works. :-(
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snarfed hey khurtwilliams! no worries. short answer is, combining it with webmention.rocks wasn't helping you any
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snarfed most of your attempts had an h-entry inside another h-entry, and most of the in-reply-tos pointing to webmention.rocks, not a mastodon post. if you try just one top-level h-entry, with just one u-in-reply-to pointing to a mastodon post URL, you'll have better luck.
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khurtwilliams ok. thanks. will do.
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snarfed khurtwilliams: looks like it went through that time - https://fed.brid.gy/responses - but i don't see it on https://islandinthenet.com/tired-chasing-perfection/ . maybe because mastodon toots have to be < 500 chars, and your content is longer.
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snarfed er, make that, i don't see it on https://mastodon.social/@khurtwilliams/99163372007448652
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Loqi [Khürt Williams] @snarfed trying to follow the information here https://fed.brid.gy/#use to setup Bridgy Fed to mastodon. Can’t grok what’s being asked. Can you help?
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snarfed also, let's move this to #indieweb-dev
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Test" by Khürt Williams on 2017-12-12 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/7703804
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j12t Logging into the front page of indieweb.org -- the MediaWiki header is overwriting the custom header with the search box. Who can fix?
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KartikPrabhu I thought I had fixed that!
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KartikPrabhu checking
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KartikPrabhu ugh! absolute positioning is messing it
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j12t Isn't that a synonym? Absolute positioning and messing things up?
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KartikPrabhu up almost always.
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KartikPrabhu could be made to work with some HTML template edits, but I am not sure I want to touch wiki-templates
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KartikPrabhu j12t: try now
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schmarty HWC Baltimore beginning Quiet Writing Hour!
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j12t KartikPrabhu: very nice. Another thing I noticed is that when I log in, after the redirect from indieauth, I get a cached front page that still says "Login". It requires a manual refresh to get the logged-in version of the page.
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j12t I seem to remember from long time ago that MediaWiki caches things very aggressively.
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aaronpk hm that's odd
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aaronpk our home page is actually even weirder to get it to serve from / and not /Main_Page, so I might be able to tweak that
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aaronpk there that might fix it
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j12t aaronpk: What did you do get around Main_Page?
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aaronpk it's an embarrassing hack, I will describe in #indieweb-meta