#indieweb 2017-12-13

2017-12-13 UTC
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j12t
What's the terminology here. As we "syndicating out a post to silos" or are we "publishing a post to silos".
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aaronpk
"syndicating a post" works. "syndicating" already implies "out"
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[miklb]
what is POSSE
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Loqi
POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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j12t
aaronpk: because the Wordpress plugin calls it "publish" :-)
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GWG
j12t: Which plugin?
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j12t
I think it's Bridgy, but there might be others.
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GWG
j12t: Bridgy refers to their service as Bridgy Publish, sye
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j12t
GWG: I'm working on the Wordpress tutorial. It's confusing to use two different terms for the same thing.
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GWG
Okay
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snarfed
true! bridgy mostly calls backfeed "listen" and syndication "publish." unfortunate. i picked listen before i discovered indieweb at least, but i don't have an excuse for publish :P
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snarfed
apologies for the confusion
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schmarty
well, that concludes the 2017 season for HWC Baltimore! the next meeting would be 2017-12-26 and most folks are gone visiting family. what a year!
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schmarty
bittersweet.
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schmarty
everybody is pumped for IWC Baltimore in January, though :}
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Manually adding microfomats markup." by Khürt Williams on 2017-12-13 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/7706900
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@khurtwilliams
@ChrisAldrich Manually marking up posts with microformat? No! It’s hurts too much. It isn’t worth that effort. #indieweb (https://islandinthenet.com/manually-adding-microfomats-markup/)
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@thiagoviski
Kind of #IndieWeb 🧐
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@jonathanprozzi
IndieWebCamp Baltimore 2018 is a gathering for independent web creators of all kinds, from graphic artists, to designers, UX engineers, coders, hackers, to share ideas, actively work on creating for their own personal websites, and build upon each others… https://jonathanprozzi.net/indieweb/rsvp-to-indiewebcamp-baltimore-jan-20-21-2018/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Manually adding microfomats markup. No! It’s hurts too much. It..." on 2017-12-13 https://khurt.tumblr.com/post/168487714051
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@ticabri
Medium is only an edge server of your POSSE CDN, your own blog is the origin "POSSE is a creation of IndieWeb" (https://indieweb.org/) https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/11/medium-is-only-an-edge-server-of-your-posse-cdn-your-own-blog-is-the-origin.html
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jeremycherfas
Hello IndieWeb
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Ruxton
but its nearly goodbye time
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jeremycherfas
What time is it for ruxton
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Loqi
In ruxton's timezone, Australia/Perth, it is currently 4:58pm on December 13
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jeremycherfas
Well then, g'day, or whatever.
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Ruxton
Loqi answering all the hard hitting questions
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jeremycherfas
And plenty that aren't.
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Ruxton
now if only he could fix HAproxy for me
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jeremycherfas
give loqi a hard-hitting question.
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jeremycherfas
You're on your own, I'm afraid
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Ruxton
jeremycherfas: the issue with synidcating from insta ;) "link is in bio" https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/my-best-50%25-wholemeal-recipe-link-in-bio-and-while
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Loqi
[Jeremy Cherfas] My best 50% wholemeal Recipe link in bio. And while you’re there, check out the in DC next weekend. https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/file/4fcc532daaeecd4d24f2e5654eb46e08/ig1xZ4Qu.jpg
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jeremycherfas
Well, yes. But it is a fairly standard procedure on IG. Because you can't have proper HTML links in the caption.
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jeremycherfas
I suppose I could edit the caption on my stream once it has been backfed by bridgy.
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Ruxton
yeaah, sucky side of insta
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jeremycherfas
I suspect it may get suckier when they permit regrams; we shall see. I only ever look at it via RSS feed.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWeb and Webmentions plugin for WordPress FTW! I don’t think I’d used it before or really seen it happening in the wild, but Khurt Williams used his website to reply to one of my posts via Webmention. I was then able to write my reply directly within the comments section of my original post and … Continue reading """ by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-13 http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/13/finally-blog-to-blog-communication-with-simplicity/
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@ChrisAldrich
Thanks to #WordPress with #Webmentions and some #IndieWeb magic, I'm finally able to have a completely natural back and forth conversation from one @WordPress site to another. Twitter, Facebook: Eat your hearts out! http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/13/finally-blog-to-blog-communication-with-simplicity/
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petermolnar
does anyone keep running automated tests to see if their webmention endpoint is happy and healthy? If yes, how?
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Zegnat
I second cweiske’s no. Haha
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Loqi
rofl
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[kevinmarks]
What js;dr sites use instead of not being js:dr https://prerender.io/
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Zegnat
Looks like 280 (weighted) character limit still isn’t enough: https://thenextweb.com/twitter/2017/12/12/twitter-now-lets-create-tweetstorms-tweeting/
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@sl007
@LarsWienand Wir haben zu diesen ganzen zentralisierten Enden übrigens auch 'ne Übersicht : https://indieweb.org/site-deaths
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mcepl
what's wrong with indieauth? When trying to log to https://www.libravatar.org/openid/login/ with my OpenID on https://matej.ceplovi.cz/ I get "OpenID error: OpenID discovery error: No usable OpenID services found for https://matej.ceplovi.cz/"
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cweiske
mcepl, you commented those links out
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cweiske
the openid2.*
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cweiske
but I don't know if indieauth openid is working at all
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mcepl
this exact configuration used to work with stackoverflow
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Zegnat
IndieAuth.com’s OpenID used to work for me (haven’t used it in a while) as long as I wasn’t using my IndieAuth endpoint for authentication.
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cweiske
works with p.cweiske.de openid login
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@mlncn
Storify's shutdown shows we must own what we care about— on own per https://indieweb.org/ or jointly #platforcoop https://drutopia.org
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UnB_Z
Oasis is very very bed!!!
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UnB_Z
rs
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cweiske
your speling is verry bed!!
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UnB_Z
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UnB_Z
*bad!
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UnB_Z
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mcepl
Zegnat, cweiske: right it doesn't work with stack overflow either
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mcepl
aaronpk: something seems to be very much broken. When clicking on GPG key on the signin page, I get "https://matej.ceplovi.cz/mcepl-gpg.pub" was not found on the site "https://matej.ceplovi.cz/" which is not true, IMHO.
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sknebel
mcepl: when do you get that error?
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mcepl
sknebel: when going to https://is.gd/xT604f I click on Refresh
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mcepl
and click on GPG
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mcepl
oh damn, it works now!
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mcepl
which leads to There was an error verifying the signature. Please try again.
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@manton2
Since Tantek is still in Austin, we’re having a last-minute Homebrew Website Club meetup tonight! 6:30pm at Halcyon on 4th street. Join us to chat about the IndieWeb or work on your own site.
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@edsu
Has anyone seen any work being done on how to use your Storify JSON export with their embed JavaScript so you can continue to make your stories from your own domain after Storify goes offline? #indieweb #webarchives
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@edsu
Has anyone seen any work being done on how to use your Storify JSON export with their embed JavaScript to make your stories available from your own domain after Storify goes offline? Or, where is the interesting work being done on this that I missed? #indieweb #webarchives
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "WordPress Events and Conferences of 2018" by Maddy Osman on 2017-12-13 https://pagely.com/blog/wordpress-events-conferences/
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sknebel
15 minutes until Zegnat has to remember again that he is organising a vHWC
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-12-13 5:32pm CET (#6233)
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@scott_gruber
@robinkraft @MaptimeSF @Mapbox Sounds great. I’ve got an @indiewebcamp Homebrew virtual meetup tonight in LA (using Google hangout I think). Any interest in hosting a webinar in the future on this topic?
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[eddie]
😆 😆
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Zegnat
Right. I should probably RSVP to the vHWC :P
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@martijnvdven
Think you can’t make it to today’s #HomebrewWebsiteClub? Think again! Two separate time zones have virtual ones happening, all you need is a browser and you can join in. The European one is scheduled to start within minutes. https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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Loqi
Zegnat has to remember again that he is organising a vHWC
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "❤️ IndieWebCamp Austin wrap-up by Manton Reece" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-13 http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/13/indiewebcamp-austin-wrap-up/
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gRegorLove
Good morning, #indieweb
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gRegorLove
When is vHWC?
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/vHWC
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gRegorLove
when is next-hwc?
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club Meetup was on 2017-12-13 at tollwerk https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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tantek
what's this "was" business?
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sknebel
first thought was "UTC, since no timezone given", but in UTC it hasn't even started yet either
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@scott_gruber
@robinkraft @MaptimeSF @Mapbox @indiewebcamp Wow that would be so cool. Mind if I check with some colleagues who are mappers here @UCLAIoES @CCSCatUCLA and @MAPTIMELA. Might need to come visit in SF too.
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chrisaldrich
"These are your businesses, and they are your fans." (But they're trapped on our silo... and we're still taking a cut.)
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: gRegorLove left you a message 2 days, 17 hours ago: as a fellow /read poster, would appreciate your thoughts on https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/my-project-for-todays-indiewebcamp/
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gRegorLove
^ I pretty much decided on "to-read" btw. See -dev logs yesterday. :)
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gRegorLove
That post is updated, too, doesn't reference "want-to-read"
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chrisaldrich
gRegorLove: That seems pretty solid. My usual problem is between the various semantics of what "read" means and when does it indicate past tense or not.
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chrisaldrich
shorter is better, but having things that are both human readable AND machine readable is always nice when possible
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gRegorLove
Yeah, the human-readable fallback in Quill will still be "Want to read," "Currently reading," and "Finished reading"
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gRegorLove
re-reading was also talked about a bit yesterday. Don't think it needs a separate status. Counting the "finished"s tells you how many times you read it.
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chrisaldrich
I was thinking about that the other night when I noticed that Goodreads had something listed as a second reading when in fact it was my first reading. They've only added that stuff in the last few months iirc.
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chrisaldrich
I've just been reading the recent posts by Eddie and Tom. Glad to see so many working on /read
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Zegnat
vHWC EU has ended after some good discussions. Notes archived to the wiki :D
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gRegorLove
Zegnat++
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Loqi
zegnat has 81 karma in this channel (157 overall)
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chrisaldrich
vHWC North America is later today from 7:30 to 8:30 Eastern.
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tantek
that's very early and already past
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chrisaldrich
gRegorLove: did someone somewhere suggest an IndieWeb bookclub just to dogfood out hosting something like it with webmentions, etc.?
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gRegorLove
I don't recall that. I recall someone suggested indieweb podcast club
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gRegorLove
I'm game to try it, though!
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Zegnat
starts brainstorming D&D-over-webmentions for a different kind of IndieWeb club
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gRegorLove
What is IndieWeb Podcast Club?
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Loqi
The first rule of IndieWeb Podcast Club is You do not talk about IndieWeb Podcast Club https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_Podcast_Club
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gRegorLove
What is IndieWeb Book Club?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Book Club" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb Book Club is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich
It would be interesting to have functionality to be able to parse multiple people's to-read lists to find books in common to make a common selection(s)
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tantek
or even a leaderboard of books to-read
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@jkphl
Homebrew Website Clubbing in #Nuremberg w/ @egoexpress & @sfeldeu #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ8ptFwW4AAfjlT.jpg
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gRegorLove
With the new read-status, I plan to update https://gregorlove.com/reading to split them up by status.
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gRegorLove
Maybe for tonight's HWC :)
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chrisaldrich
we'll definitely discuss then...
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chrisaldrich
What is IndieWeb book club?
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Loqi
IndieWeb book club is a group of people interested in creating book club functionality a reality in their online presences https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Book_Club
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doubleloop[m]
Hello all :)
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doubleloop[m]
Here at HWC London
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sknebel
greetings London!
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doubleloop[m]
Greetings sknebel .o/
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raretrack
book club is a great idea!
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gRegorLove
We can use aaronpk's Oauth book as the first test :)
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aaronpk
it even has a URL
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aaronpk
I guess I should add h-product markup to that page :)
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aaronpk
oh it's an h-entry right now https://oauth2simplified.com
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] OAuth 2.0 Simplified https://oauth2simplified.com/images/book-cover.png
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Zegnat
pledge << [[MailMate]] lets users become a Patron by setting up [https://sites.fastspring.com/freron/product/mailmatepatron a recurring payment] through [[FastSpring]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[MailMate]] lets users become a Patron by setting up [https://sites.fastspring.com/freron/product/mailmatepatron a recurring payment] through [[FastSpring]]" to the "See Also" section of /pledge
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chrisaldrich
Or what about adactio's /book#Jeremy_Keith since it's physically online?
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chrisaldrich
While thinking about /read (ing) related ideas, I'm curious about people's thoughts on the subtle difference between /archive pages like http://boffosocko.com/tag/want-to-read/ and /collection which are similar in form though the latter doesn't seem as DRY?
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gRegorLove
Tag archives are automatic, right? Collections are a post the user takes an action to publish
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aaronpk
collections are curated lists of posts, not necessarily sorted by time. tag pages are usually reverse-chronological and automatic.
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chrisaldrich
I see those semantic differences, but there's also a LOT of work for some collections...
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chrisaldrich
I'm so many episodes behind on Percolator...
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[kevinmarks]
Collections imply sequence?
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aaronpk
collections imply a chosen order
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aaronpk
like storify
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@huffduffer
Episode 16: IndieWebCamp Austin! - Percolator https://huffduffer.com/chrisaldrich/447132
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chrisaldrich
order is definitely a subtle difference, though perhaps an archive for a tag could be sorted on any number of methods to get a similar result without the extra work.
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chrisaldrich
This could also be useful for things like wishlist items at the holidays that might need to be re-ordered by preference of "want to have" rather than datetime posted.
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gRegorLove
Patreon blog has a nice horizontal bar indicating your progress as you scroll down the page: https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/
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chrisaldrich
gRegorLove: the problem is that I feel like I'm done reading at the halfway point of the horizontal bar. Are you being subtly enticed to keep scrolling to finish the progress bar?
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gRegorLove
Yeah, it probably should be tied to the post content length, not page length
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chrisaldrich
But if you're an advertising driven site, that kind of UI could be used as a dark pattern.
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chrisaldrich
I often reorder my want to read lists on GoodReads and would want to do that on my own site, but would hate to have to do it by hand on an ongoing basis when I can reuse pre-built functionality like tagging on individual posts.
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chrisaldrich
Does a feed or h-feed necessarily imply a time-based order? Feed feels like it does historically, but somehow h-feed doesn't necessarily to me.
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gRegorLove
Hmm, you could include the desired order on your to-read post? Or more generally, just a priority like: high, medium, low?
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[kevinmarks]
Feeds aren't necessarily time based - the sequence can be quality of match too
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gRegorLove
Then the page that parses your read posts could handle it automatically.
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[kevinmarks]
Think of nuzzel, where it's sorted by number of shares, then by date
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gRegorLove
chrisaldrich: From my own lesson at IWC Austin, might be best to start with "How will you indicate the order/priority for an individual /read post?"
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chrisaldrich
I'm definitely thinking about some type of order/priority, but I know the UI will get much trickier when I move over my more than 4000 records....
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gRegorLove
Hopefully your current ordering is available in the Goodreads export!
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chrisaldrich
gRegorLove, yes to some extent. I'm also using a sync plugin that works with Calibre to manage an even larger data set than Goodreads provides.
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chrisaldrich
I'm also trying to balance what's already built into WordPress with what I'd also like it to ultimately do without doing much jury-rigging.
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chrisaldrich
I suspect that a meta-box with the right pieces of data could do most of the heavy lifting, but still have data relatively available for external sources that might need/want it.
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@ChrisAldrich
If you're curious how I've managed to do natural #WordPress to WordPress threaded commenting, then join us for the virtual Homebrew Website Club this afternoon for more details: http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/30/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-on-december-13-2017/
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@aaronpk
Impromptu #indieweb meetup in LA tonight! Wurstküche on 3rd at 8:00pm! Stop by if you're in the area! @cleverdevil @chrisaldrich
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tantek
\o/ awesome aaronpk cleverdevil chrisaldrich! please add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club#US_West
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@t
Event: Homebrew Website Club Austin! #yallhands At: 2017-12-13 18:30 @halcyonATX RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4rt1
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Impromptu IndieWeb Meetup" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-12-13 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/impromptu-indieweb-meetup
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