#indieweb 2017-12-29

2017-12-29 UTC
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tantek !tell adactio is HWC Brighton on for the 10th January? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club#Brighton
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell calumryan is HWC London on for the 10th January? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club#London
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-12-29.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@strugee2 I just published lazymention 1.0 to npm. elegant outbound Webmentions for static sites are here. #indieweb… https://pump.strugee.net/alex/note/_eD4LL9eQQG-Tq7DoaIwpQ (twitter.com/_/status/946702407341260800)
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@wolfwitte um den ganzen indieweb-Kram besser zu verstehen, habe ich mal wieder Wordpress irgendwo installiert: https://verlf.uber.space/ indieweb? https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/946704769871204352)
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@wolfwitte bisher sieht alles einfach nur doof aus #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/946721299040210944)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Lazymention looks interesting - I wonder if it would run OK on glitch https://pump.strugee.net/alex/note/_eD4LL9eQQG-Tq7DoaIwpQ ##indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-12-29 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/lazymention-looks-interesting--i-wonder-if-it-would-run-ok
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[kevinmarks] Doh. I forgot quill adds the #
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[kevinmarks] Also stray <p>
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[kevinmarks] Nice indieauth example here https://medium.com/samsung-internet-dev/raindrops-on-roses-whiskers-on-kittens-declarative-web-apis-and-truly-serverless-web-endpoints-50d733e6d867
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Zegnat Quill adds an extra #? When?
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Zegnat s/indieauth example/relmeauth example/
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Zegnat Sorry, pet peeve ;)
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Zegnat How is everyone doing?
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aaronpk feeling a little bit older
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Zegnat Did you start a new decade yet, aaronpk?
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aaronpk that won't be for a while longer
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Zegnat I hear those are the worst when it comes to feeling older.
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[eddie] Yeah, those definitely go towards feeling older. 2017 was a new decade for me
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Zegnat 2017 put me on the old side of 25. That was my moment of complaining about my age :P
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[eddie] oh yeah the quarter century was unfortunate 😉
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@frankmeeuwsen [Blogpost!] Een lokaal Instagram archief. #Indieweb style http://diggingthedigital.com/Instagram-en-Micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/946768687754891264)
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Loqi [indienews/nl] New post: "Een lokaal Instagram archief. Indieweb style." http://diggingthedigital.com/Instagram-en-Micropub/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/29/4/)
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@pazpena Something worth to try in 2018 👉 POSSE: Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/946771148775329792)
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[xavierroy] Is there a way to get the HTML for what Quill sends? I have issues getting Micropub to work on my site. Till then, I thought if I could get a html copy of the request that Quill sends to the Micropub endpoint, I can just copy the html and post manually.
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aaronpk hm not easily, but I could add that feature
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Zegnat Try pointing Quill at https://sink.zegnat.net/ ?
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aaronpk ha
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Zegnat That way you can get at the contents of the request, example: https://sink.zegnat.net/0yMXog5ZrqzaqCfV9lh2hye9O5B
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aaronpk but srsly that's probably a good feature to add to quill
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[xavierroy] https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/88
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Loqi [xavierroy] #88 Provide HTML code sent as Micropub request
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aaronpk thanks!
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@megarush1024 @Big_D01 Yes. You can start at http://www.indieweb.org there's lots of stuff to explore there, including WP-specific sections. (twitter.com/_/status/946803483621064705)
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Muchospanish Sorry I only came asking for help but: I put: <link href="https://www.instagram.com/muchospanish/" rel="me"> in my header and got an unsupported message
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Muchospanish In Indiauth, I got this: instagram.com/muchospanish This is not a supported authentication provider.
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Zegnat Instagram does not offer an OAuth API, so you can’t use it to authenticate yourself with.
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gRegorLove Howdy #indieweb
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Zegnat At least, I think. Either that, or aaronpk just doesn’t support them for authentication.
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gRegorLove Nope, no instagram for auth
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Zegnat Those are the two main reasons why a rel="me" link will not allow you to authenticate
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Muchospanish Thanks, I did see a video of someone using it to add Instagram comments to their wordpress blog
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gRegorLove Github, Twitter, email, GnuPG are the listed options on indieauth.com
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Muchospanish Okay, thanks 🙏
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Zegnat Hmm, they may have been using https://ownyourgram.com/
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gRegorLove Ahh, that's a different thing. Bridgy does backfeed from Instagram
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Zegnat right, Bridgy too!
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Muchospanish I don’t want the photos, just the comments
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gRegorLove Bridgy is probably what you want then.
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Zegnat What is Bridgy?
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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Muchospanish Yes, Bridgy is what I’m trying but it’s directing me to indieauth
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gRegorLove Ahh! Sorry, I follow now. Yes, you'll need to use one of those options to log in to Bridgy first, but that's separate from the backfeed of comments from Instagram.
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Muchospanish Great, thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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Zegnat Oh. I get it now. Yeah. Bridgy can only be set-up after logging in as a user to Bridgy. And Bridgy uses indieauth.com for logins. Doesn’t matter what service you use to log in, you can always bind Instagram afterwards
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aaronpk Just the comments? You'll need to have a post on your site for each photo in order for bridgy to have somewhere to send the comments
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gRegorLove Yeah, with a syndication link that points to the instagram post. Bridgy polls your site for h-entry and keeps track of those, then periodically checks your instagram and sends comments back to the original.
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Zegnat “Stay tuned. Do we still use that these days? Keep your URL tuned to this station.” He.
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Zegnat (Heard on YouTube.)
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@wolfwitte weiß immer noch nicht, was der Vorteil von Post Types/Kinds ggü. Kategorien, Beitragsformaten oder Tags ist #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/946852919067987968)
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Zegnat Hmm, that entire thread is interesting ^^^
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tantek any summary insights?
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Zegnat “To better understand the entire IndieWeb-thing I have installed WordPress again.” ¶ “So far everything just looks silly.” ¶ “Still not sure what the advantage of post types/kins is over categories or tags.”
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Zegnat 1 hour between the initial tweet and the follow up on that everything just looks silly
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Zegnat Makes me wonder if Post Types/Kinds are obvious to someone coming in who hasn’t first read about posts on the indieweb 🤔
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tantek Indeed. Gen 2 or 3 perhaps.
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tantek though the criticism of "not sure what the advantage" can be valid if the only thing the plugin does is under the covers / plumbing (not saying that it is, but a good reason for every plugin to have a *noticeable* user feature that results in something visibly new and useful)
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Zegnat WP Gang would know more, I haven’t set up WordPress is years.
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tantek Zegnat: good point. Perhaps consider replying to them inviting them to #indieweb-wordpress ?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-12-29.html
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GWG The only reason it is called a Kind is because WordPress has something called a post type
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tantek GWG I don't think they were complaining about the name as much as not seeing what the obvious advantage was of using it
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Zegnat The reason I haven’t already replied is because I do not like to reply in English to non-English content.
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GWG So, how do I explain the advantage?
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GWG Remember, not everyone sees one
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Zegnat That’s also a good point. Maybe for this person there just isn’t an advantage because they only post articles on their blog.
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tantek Zegnat, that's a good point, I assumed you'd be replying in German
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Zegnat My written German is pretty bad, I’m afraid.
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tantek Zegnat, aber velleicht besser als meine Deutsch. ;)
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GWG I have already messed up one German issue today. I will abstain
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Zegnat needs a decentralised IndieWeb language learning circle
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GWG I do need to add to the Indieweb challenge though
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GWG Got some things
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Zegnat I wish either Sink or my XRay branch had a detailed blogpost so I could have added them to the calendar.
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Zegnat 2 days left to fix my blog...
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tantek Zegnat if you have a specific release / permalink to the new feature etc. you could add that
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tantek I mean I didn't blog about adding @-domain support to CASSIS auto_link but I still thought it was worth mentioning because of its indieweb-centric nature
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Zegnat For XRay there is only a tweet and a link to a GitHub commit. Sink was announced only in the chat and caused some initial experiments by others.
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Zegnat Nothing I would consider concrete :P
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Zegnat And definitely not very useful without context. Unlike an auto_link update.
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tantek if there is nothing else for that day, the tweet & github commit link definitely counts
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Zegnat what is advent calendar?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "advent calendar" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "advent calendar is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Wait, that’s not it?
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tantek what is the indieweb challenge?
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Loqi The IndieWeb Challenge is to collectively ship something IndieWeb-related every day of December! https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Challenge
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Zegnat HWC is in the dayslot already :)
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Zegnat Which is probably better, actually.
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CamB hi :) new to indieweb and microformats
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gRegorLove Welcome, CamB!
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CamB Thank you!
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CamB I will be setting up webmentions this evening hopefully.
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gRegorLove Nice! That answers my next question; was going to ask if you had a personal site or wanted to get one set up.
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CamB I am building a site at https://odat.xyz
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Loqi Social Messenger A.I. Images Videos Maps Trade More Blog About Development Contact donations:
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CamB I'm wondering, are there are any open source web search options for consuming microformats?
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-12-29.html
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tantek LGTM
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tantek CamB what's the user feature you're trying to implement?
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tantek also feel free to join #indieweb-dev for any coding specific questions
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strugee missed this week's newsletter :(
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strugee I was planning on submitting but forgot today was Friday :D
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strugee ah well. next week!
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CamB basically a personal search engine for anything that can be tagged by microformats. (discussions, products events, etc...)
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CamB I don't see any way to search for pages containing specific microformats tags
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CamB since google and such only parse a few of the available microformats it seems like much potential is going to waste.
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strugee !tell [kevinmarks] yo! if you _do_ end up trying to run lazymention on Glitch, let me know! and please feel free to file bugs if you run into roadblocks for some reason :-)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-12-29.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQAawkV4AAXn2l.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/946882283897622529)
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Zegnat CamB, http://www.indiemap.org has a crawl with data, not ready to go search engine I am afraid, but you can query the data yourself.
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML + mf2. Social graph API and interactive ma...
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snarfed also https://search.cweiske.de/
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CamB Thank you Zegnat and snarfed
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strugee tantek: ping
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strugee you use webmention.io right? do you have a UI to view site-wide mentions and/or people mentions?
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tantek not currently no
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strugee gotcha
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strugee I wonder if anyone else has one I can steal
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tantek what are homepage mentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "homepage mentions" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "homepage mentions is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what are person mentions
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "person mentions" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "person mentions is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek wat
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tantek I know we have docs on this somewhere
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GWG snarfed, I fixed something you reported. Invitations.
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snarfed GWG: i saw, thanks!
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GWG snarfed, more to do
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tantek person mentions is /person_mention
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Loqi ok
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tantek homepage mentions is /person_mention
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Loqi ok
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tantek strugee: https://indieweb.org/person_mention#IndieWeb_Examples
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strugee tantek: hahaha
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Loqi awesome
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strugee I'm looking at that right now and I too could not find the page
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tantek that's why we make redirects, to increase findability
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strugee yep :-)
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strugee oh nvm, I was looking at https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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strugee which is different apparently
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strugee I guess person-tags are a subset of person mentions?
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tantek pretty sure we have an FAQ on that
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tantek well by dfn too
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tantek what is a person tag
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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tantek well there's this: https://indieweb.org/person-tag#Should_Twitter_links_be_person-tags
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tantek and https://indieweb.org/person_mention#How_to_distinguish_person_mentions
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strugee right
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strugee this is confusing but I'm not sure how to make it less confusing without losing the nuance
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