#indieweb 2018-01-02

2018-01-02 UTC
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if indie stats could calculate bestnine
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: indie map? yes but only through june ish. it's a one time crawl. http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#crawl-methodology
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tantek annoying limitation of the IG top nine - no permalinks are provided for the nine individual photos
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tantek an indieweb solution could easily rectify that and link each thumbnail to its permalink
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[eddie] So I added a Holiday theme for New Years to my website (Confetti falling from the sky). However something interesting came to mind. The idea that you might want a specific theme per post. For example: I want https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/12/31/15/photo/ to always have confetti falling from the menu bar.
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[eddie] So I added a “theme: confetti” property to my post properties. When a post has a theme that is pulled in by my javascript code to display the confetti. Do we have any logged information about that stuff? Themes for posts rather than just site-wide holidays?
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Once upon a time…👨🏻‍💻👩🏼‍🏫🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏼‍♀️💑👰🏼🤵🏻💍🙌😺😼🚚🏘🤰🏼 https://eddiehinkle.com/media/32c1cced514ebb2421dc57e0771c7c2c.jpeg
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tantek what is custom post style
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Loqi Custom post style is the practice of styling individual posts differently from the rest of the site styles https://indieweb.org/custom_post_style
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[eddie] Ohhh nice!!
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tantek what are themes for posts
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "themes for posts" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "themes for posts is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek themes for posts are /custom_post_style
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Loqi ok
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GWG Slow night
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[kevinmarks] Image map sounds right for that tantek
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[xavierroy] For WP, https://digwp.com/2010/02/custom-css-per-post/
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[xavierroy] There was an Art Direction plugin. But it hasn't been updated for a long while
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New Tiny IndieWeb Badge! • Aaron Parecki" by Michael Runcieman on 2018-01-02 https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/30/7/indieweb-badge
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aaronpk wat
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[miklb] I’ve seen that with WordPress and how the post kinds plugin pulls in the title
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GWG Don't blame me for this one. He's running Known. https://michael.runcieman.com/2018/new-tiny-indieweb-badge-bull-aaron-parecki
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Loqi [Michael Runcieman] New Tiny IndieWeb Badge! • Aaron Parecki
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[miklb] sorry GWG, didn’t mean to sound like I was passing blame.
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GWG [miklb]: Didn't think you were. Just saying wasn't me.
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Zegnat And thus GWG started a war between CMS 😉
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[kevinmarks] I get that with quill and known too - escaping things with & that could be unicode
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[kevinmarks] I assume it's quill doing it
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Zegnat If it was Quill, probably not in that specific use-case.
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Zegnat Looks like Michael posted a like, and like posts from Quill do not contain anything other than a URL: https://sink.zegnat.net/0yZoukRaziwynyTrBRrY6StTxta
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Zegnat And Quill bookmarks use unicode: https://sink.zegnat.net/0yZpEFqOYBbo6kCRIBWRvvsgO2o
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Zegnat [kevinmarks] if you know an exact case where this double encoding happens, feel free to emulate it against sink.zegnat.net to see what your Micropub client is sending.
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[kevinmarks] The one that usually gets me is "
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[kevinmarks] I don't get back to quill when I try pointing it at sink
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Zegnat Oh? That’s weird. I just posted to Sink from Quill
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Zegnat Do you get any errors?
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[kevinmarks] I put sink into quill's login, then sink asked me for a domain, then it redirected to sink linking to itself
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Zegnat What domain did you enter in the login form? You are supposed to use your IndieAuth ID, e.g. www.kevinmarks.com
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Zegnat Did you enter sink.zegnat.net? (I should probably protect against that.)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Read Write Review – Voices from the Village in 2017" by Aaron Davis on 2018-01-02 https://readwriterespond.com/2018/01/read-write-review-2017/
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dgold :scream:
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dgold golang's parser borks on frontmatter with: bad character U+002D '-'
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dgold e.g. 'like-of' & 'repost-of'
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dgold so I have to rewrite (relatively) clean & elegant code because of this.
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petermolnar ?
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Loqi petermolnar: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 4 days, 19 hours ago: I just put together a supporting page last week. Not sure if I put it on the wiki yet https://boffosocko.com/2017/12/22/a-supporting-page/
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[mrkrndvs] Question, I swear I added a user page to the IndieWeb wiki, however now it seems to have disappeared. Anyone have any thoughts? I remember having the conversation about rel=me etc
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[mrkrndvs] Last time I authenticated with Twitter (which is not working for me at present), this time I used GitHub. Does that make a difference
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Zegnat If you are using the same domain, should not make any difference
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[mrkrndvs] That is what I thought. Will start again
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Zegnat Is this you? https://indieweb.org/User:Www.readwriterespond.com
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Zegnat Oh. Have you recently added a redirect removing the www.? Because that would mean you have changed your identity to a new URL and makes you basically a new user in the eyes of the wiki.
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[mrkrndvs] Oh, I have really stuffed that up
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Zegnat The wiki doesn’t really have a concept of “updating” an identity. It isn’t really a problem normally. If you have decided to go without www, just copy the contents of /User:Www.readwriterespond.com to /User:Readwriterespond.com and turn /User:Www.readwriterespond.com into a redirect. (Or move the page, which is better, but I am not sure you can mov
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Zegnat e User pages.)
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@kevinmarks Paving the footpaths, Yorkshire version #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSiQ2sCUEAA-pYe.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/948166993181425664)
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[mrkrndvs] I have created a monster. Thank you Zegnat for the help.
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[mrkrndvs] I think that I will move to https://eeadwriterespond.com, now to work out the best process. Really didnt think this through ...
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Zegnat No problem. I too have a User-page-redirect ;) https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/ → https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn
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[mrkrndvs] Zegnat thanks for the tip. Seems I now have a bit of work to do to straighten things out.
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Zegnat Just leave a redirect in place and call it a day, is my advice
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Paving the footpaths, Yorkshire version #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/paving-the-footpaths-yorkshire-version
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samim Hi everybody! New here/ to the community so quick introduction: I' m @samim on twitter. My goal is to move all my web publishing over to the indie web (I'm at samim.io) during this year. Great to meet you all here!
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Zegnat Nice, welcome to the party! Haha
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat samim you might want to add yourself to https://indieweb.org/IRC_People :)
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Zegnat another interesting experiment: change the default font-size of your browser and see which sites adhere to it!
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petermolnar I explicitly set 19px as base and use 'rem' to size everything to it
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petermolnar although respecting the default browser font size is not a bad idea
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cweiske that's as good as respecting the default browser language
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petermolnar that I really don't like though it's less annoying then some sites that don't let you select another geolocation or language because of your IP
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Zegnat Only follow the browser language if you have truly translated your entire site. Otherwise it just confuses people in my experience.
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Zegnat Worse is indeed when you can’t make a change to it yourself after the website decided. Even worse: after a mobile app has decided.
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Zegnat The app for the Swedish railways forces itself into your phone language, doesn’t let you change, and decides to show computer translated info messages whenever there are schedule changes.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“Even if you don't have a Facebook account, Facebook has a You account—a hole in their social graph with a bunch of connections pointing into" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account-facebook-has
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Bridgy stats update" https://snarfed.org/2018-01-02_bridgy-stats-update-3
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snarfed ^ we're almost at 1M webmentions sent total! to/from anyone, not just bridgy. we'll probably hit it in a week to a month. let's throw a party at next HWC!
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eli_oat That is awesome!
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sknebel curious, what do you base your estimate for Known on?
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sknebel (given that he does salmention, I'd guess aaronparecki.com also has sent 5-10k :P)
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aaronpk aahh i'm doing the thing where I have too many ideas for fun things to add to my site
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sknebel aaronpk: do I sense a 100days project? :P
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aaronpk no way haha
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Loqi haha
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aaronpk that was too hard
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sknebel 52 weeks project? :P
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sknebel but I guess that's "normal life" in your case
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk shipping something weekly sounds doable
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tanlaan ls
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tanlaan lol, my computer locked up. How is everyone's day going?
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tanlaan aaronpk: I'm just getting in to all of this and can't wait to be able to set aside some time to go over some of the software you've made for quantified self/indie web
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aaronpk awesome! do you already have a website?
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tanlaan gonna work on getting back into quantified self and actually sticking to it
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tanlaan aaronpk: yep yep, I've had an instance of Known running for awhile. Then I forgot my mysql password so I couldn't get the posts back. All fixed now
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@mdbraber @frankmeeuwsen leuk om je #indieweb adventures te volgen - ik zie zie alleen de instagram images niet in RSS (twitter.com/_/status/948233012843606016)
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tanlaan https://www.chrisbolas.com/
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aaronpk awesome
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tanlaan you're hosting the January Portland indieweb meeting right?
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aaronpk yes although we haven't officially announced the date yet
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tanlaan alright cool, I'll keep an eye out for it so I can try and keep my schedule open
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Loqi [superfeedr] "❤️ Just pushed some updates to IndieNews!" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-01-02 http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/02/just-pushed-some-updates-to-indienews/
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb!
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snarfed hi!
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[eddie] morning cleverdevil!
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[cleverdevil] Excited to try out grantcodes' latest updates to /Together
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[cleverdevil] But, it means I need to actually install a Microsub server 😛
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aaronpk I can give you access to Monocle :-)
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dgold you can?
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[cleverdevil] Yes please!
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[cleverdevil] Was planning on installing/configuring it myself, but the github repo very clearly doesn't want me to do that 😉
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[cleverdevil] ls
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[cleverdevil] Oops 😛
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ben_thatmustbeme and thats why my google history has multiple times included 'ls'
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[eddie] cleverdevil: I just ignored the github repo
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[eddie] Who really reads github warnings anyway 😉
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[cleverdevil] Oh, don't get me wrong, I had already checked it out and was getting started on it.
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[cleverdevil] But, I'd much prefer to piggyback on aaronpk 😛
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[eddie] haha 😆
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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dgold yeah, that github page is almost aggressive :)
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snarfed so...1M webmentions party at HWC? should we do it 1/10? or 1/24?
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snarfed we could get custom cakes printed with something like this: https://snarfed.org/wm1m.html
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Loqi Ryan Barrett
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tantek that's a great idea snarfed !
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[cleverdevil] So, what do I need to do to get access to Monacle, aaronpk?
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aaronpk Promise to help beta test it and provide feedback :-)
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aaronpk I'll set up your account today or tomorrow
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[cleverdevil] Cross my heart!
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[cleverdevil] Thanks, no rush.
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Zegnat “we could get custom cakes” – now I super want to order a custom cake somewhere and eat it on camera during vHWC
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[cleverdevil] https://twitter.com/evergreen_mac/status/947562202730344448
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@evergreen_mac One of the main ideas behind Evergreen is to support microblogs — not just Manton’s service: microblogs in general. But of course Manton’s service is a great test case. Here’s a screenshot of some unreleased work done this morning. Still plenty more work to do. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSZqi5nUEAAqkso.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/947562202730344448)
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[cleverdevil] Evergreen is an interesting opportunity.
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[cleverdevil] Given that its supporting Micro.blog, it'd be great if it supported Micropub for interacting with content.
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tantek indeed
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[cleverdevil] And, eventually, Microsub for subscriptions/syncing.
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and its open source!
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[cleverdevil] So, enterprising Swift developers like eddie could be contributors 😉
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Loqi [superfeedr] "This is great! I'd love to see @evergreen_mac support the broader #IndieWeb via Micropub and Microsub! We're doing that in Together – https://github.com/cleverdevil/together – but" by Jonathan LaCour on 2018-01-02 https://cleverdevil.io/2018/this-is-great-id-love-to-see-evergreen_mac-support-the
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[eddie] cleverdevil: That is actually a good opportunity. macOS apps make me nervous because I've never done anything with AppKit (the UI framework of macOS), but given a pre-existing app like Evergreen it would probably be pretty easy to grab some libraries I build for Indigenous and add micropub and microsub to Evergreen
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[cleverdevil] Absolutely.
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@cleverdevil This is great! I'd love to see @evergreen_mac support the broader #IndieWeb via Micropub and Microsub! We're doing… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948261649265328128 (twitter.com/_/status/948261649265328128)
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@samim After having spent 11y publishing on @twitter, it feels invigorating to embrace the #indieweb and start a new blog!… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948267558855172096 (twitter.com/_/status/948267558855172096)
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gRegorLove Ooh, Homebrew Cake Club
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gRegorLove Can't have one of those baked goods silos making it ;)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hello, World Wide IndieWeb!" on 2017-01-23 https://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Shindig" on 2018-01-02 https://keithjgrant.com/posts/2018/shindig/
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@FTWynn My experience building a basic #micropub endpoint for #hugo on #gcp with container builder #IndieWeb https://lnkd.in/gPe2axS (twitter.com/_/status/948277262742208512)
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skippy evergreen and together both look quite interesting.
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[keithjgrant] I was gonna post a link to be new site design, but it looks like Superfeedr piped it here for me
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[keithjgrant] https://keithjgrant.com
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Loqi Owl logo Keith J. Grant Posts Notes Social Talks CSS in Depth
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sknebel !mf2 https://keithjgrant.com
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeithjgrant.com
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Loqi Owl logo Keith J. Grant Posts Notes Social Talks CSS in Depth
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[keithjgrant] Why is it parsing the p-name that way?
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sknebel because you have two nested h-cards
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sknebel and thus the outer doesn't have a p-name and it is implied
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gRegorLove To avoid that "Owl logo" in the inner h-card, might want to wrap just your name with span class="p-name" instead of around the SVG + name.
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[keithjgrant] Done :)
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gRegorLove Looks good :)
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samim After having decided to go "indie" with all my web publishing, toke action today and started tweaking a fresh wordpress+indieweb-plugins blog. Man-o-Man, this is tricky to get right even for a web-dev pro of many years. A one click auto "go indie-web, connect twitter etc." publishing solution would be so awesome!
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[cleverdevil] The closest thing to that, right now, @samim is either what you're doing with WordPress, or using Known.
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[cleverdevil] What is Known?
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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[cleverdevil] I suppose the other really close option would be using Micro.blog as a hosted service.
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samim Wordpress would be fine (even though i don't really like it as its just overblown) - but getting a usable indie-web experience going takes 2-3 days min - and even then it feels broken. This can'T be right
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snarfed sami
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KartikPrabhu samim: depends on what you want to count as "full indieweb" since there are many parts
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snarfed er, sorry. samim you're seeing that we're only at gen1-2ish on https://indieweb.org/generations
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snarfed feedback and contributions are welcome!
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samim @KartikPrabhu that's an excellent point: would be great for a newbie like me to get a clear "this is a min indie web must have feature list"
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samim @KartikPrabhu I've been mainly guided by trying to get away from my current silos: Twitter + Medium
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gRegorLove samim, what's the next thing you want to implement on your site?
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Zegnat “this is a min indie web must have feature list” – have a domain, put something on it :D
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gRegorLove That's often how we try to help guide people, rather than a package of "install A, B, C". Documenting a list of things you want to do (can be on your wiki user page) is a good idea.
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gRegorLove What is itches?
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Loqi Itches, in the context of the indieweb, are individuals's personal sources of annoyances using the web or in particular their own website, that they use to itemize and prioritize what to create, design, build, and improve on their own website, often by first listing such "itches" on a section in their User: page https://indieweb.org/itches
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samim @gRegorLove my current main goal is to turn around my twitter experience (my current "homepage") to one where i publish on my blog (need a twitter clone like wordpress template) and get likes & replies back onto the blog from twitter
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KartikPrabhu right, minimum indieweb is having a domain and putting content on it. the rest is "enhacements"
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samim @Zegnat mhhh... been doing that ("just put something on a domain") for 20y and somewhat feels a bit too little given the tide of social media / silos ...
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gRegorLove Sounds like you have your domain and hosting setup. Are you using a CMS currently?
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KartikPrabhu samim: it is only the first step :)
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gRegorLove We'd love your feedback on the /Getting_Started page as well
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samim I'm dreaming of having a pre-configured wordpress (custom theme+plugins) which basically clones (+interopts with) twitter. Then it should be possible to offer that as a one-click "get hosting for 4$/m and replace twitter with your own jam"
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[eddie] Wow! keithjgrant! Your site says hugo, but I see beautiful page transitions? How are you doing that?
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bear when is IWC Baltimore?
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Baltimore 2018 is on 2018-01-20 at Digital Harbor Foundation Tech Center https://indieweb.org/IWC_Baltimore
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[eddie] I guess technically that's a -dev conversation 🙂 I'll ping you over there
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bear phew - I was worried it was going to be this weekend - big storm hitting the east coast and it's going to be nasty in the mid-atlantic region
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KartikPrabhu samim: does wordpress allow "preconfiguration" ?
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samim KartikPrabhu: i wonder the same. Was about to develop my own CMS from scratch for that, but it feels silly given all the work that has gone into wordpress (security etc.)
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samim KartikPrabhu: generally speaking it would be wonderful to have a "indie web starter kit" one-click solution, which then could be customized ;)
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KartikPrabhu samim: Known is very close to that. I am not sure about others. "one-click" installs are tricky
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schmarty bear: good lookin' out! i hope the weather here in Baltimore improves in time for IWC :}
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bear I was hoping to be able to attend IWC Baltimore, but work just scheduled a SF work week :(
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samim KartikPrabhu : "Known" is confusing as it's site talks about education institutions as clients? Or do i have the wrong one?
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KartikPrabhu samim: Known "pivoted" towards education since it was gaining traction there. but it was originally designed for indieweb use so it should still work
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snarfed known++
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Loqi known has 15 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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[cleverdevil] So, at DreamHost we have some preconfigured WordPress configurations.
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[cleverdevil] It would be entirely possible to do an IndieWeb-enabled version of WordPress.
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[cleverdevil] We also backed Micro.blog's Kickstarter and are planning on working with Manton to encourage our customers, specifically our WordPress customers, to join the IndieWeb.
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[cleverdevil] That said, its not been a super high priority for a number of reasons 🙂
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Zegnat Wasn’t there a thing about another Known “pivot” coming? Can’t search right now, cweiske’s search is disabled
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[cleverdevil] I hadn't heard anything about that.
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Zegnat Organisational changes, I think: https://github.com/indieweb/indieweb-chat-archive/blob/66897d350d33e036edd51f6cb73d79cdceb49641/freenode/%23indieweb-dev/2017/12/11.txt#L188-L192
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Zegnat Oh, I should probably link to chat instead
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KartikPrabhu maybe the "pivoting" discussion can go to #indieweb-chat ?
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KartikPrabhu lets keep this on point
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Zegnat Done, sorry for the sidetrack, thanks for sending me away KartikPrabhu
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schmarty bear: you will be missed! perhaps next IWC Baltimore! :}
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gRegorLove samim, you probably want the open source link on withknown.com at the bottom.
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gRegorLove open source known is still maintained and used by a lot of indiewebbers. There's just also the company Known, which does the education / groups focused versions.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "This is my favorite new years resolution: Bring back your browser bar http://mashable.com/2017/12/27/browser-bar-url-facebook-bad/#k08SwFZ85mqa #indieweb" by Andrew Jacobs on 2018-01-02 http://www.funwhilelost.com/2018/this-is-my-favorite-new-years-resolution-bring-back-your
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tomasparks I have a twitter acc that has been suspended (never posted) should I reactivate it?
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snarfed known's evolution seems pretty on topic for this channel :P
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tantek custom post style << https://digwp.com/2010/02/custom-css-per-post/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://digwp.com/2010/02/custom-css-per-post/" to the "See Also" section of /custom_post_style
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tantek interesting conversation about what's minimum indieweb
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tantek looks for a mention of /IndieMark
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tantek what is minimum indieweb
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "minimum indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "minimum indieweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek minimum indieweb is /IndieMark#Level_1
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Loqi ok
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tantek going to try going offline and setting up a new iPod touch from backup while offline to see if that works. curious how "cloud-dependent" new device setup has become
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tantek all kinds of errors. interesting
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tantek taking screenshots
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tantek oh boy: "iTunes has been updated to focus on music, movies, TV shows, podcasts, and audiobooks."
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tantek "If you previously used iTunes to sync apps or ringtones to your iOS device, use the new App Store or Sounds Settings on iOS to redownload them without your Mac."
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tantek as of iTunes 12.7 (pretty big change from 12.3)
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tantek let's see if restoring from a 2015 backup works
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tantek here goes nothing, "Restoring iPod from backup..."
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tantek going to try going offline again to see if that works
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