#indieweb 2018-01-02

2018-01-02 UTC
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[kevinmarks]
I wonder if indie stats could calculate bestnine
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snarfed
[kevinmarks]: indie map? yes but only through june ish. it's a one time crawl. http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#crawl-methodology
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tantek
annoying limitation of the IG top nine - no permalinks are provided for the nine individual photos
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tantek
an indieweb solution could easily rectify that and link each thumbnail to its permalink
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[eddie]
So I added a Holiday theme for New Years to my website (Confetti falling from the sky). However something interesting came to mind. The idea that you might want a specific theme per post. For example: I want https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/12/31/15/photo/ to always have confetti falling from the menu bar.
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[eddie]
So I added a “theme: confetti” property to my post properties. When a post has a theme that is pulled in by my javascript code to display the confetti. Do we have any logged information about that stuff? Themes for posts rather than just site-wide holidays?
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Loqi
[Eddie Hinkle] Once upon a time…👨🏻‍💻👩🏼‍🏫🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏼‍♀️💑👰🏼🤵🏻💍🙌😺😼🚚🏘🤰🏼 https://eddiehinkle.com/media/32c1cced514ebb2421dc57e0771c7c2c.jpeg
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tantek
what is custom post style
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Loqi
Custom post style is the practice of styling individual posts differently from the rest of the site styles https://indieweb.org/custom_post_style
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[eddie]
Ohhh nice!!
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tantek
what are themes for posts
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "themes for posts" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "themes for posts is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
themes for posts are /custom_post_style
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GWG
Slow night
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[kevinmarks]
Image map sounds right for that tantek
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[xavierroy]
There was an Art Direction plugin. But it hasn't been updated for a long while
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "New Tiny IndieWeb Badge! • Aaron Parecki" by Michael Runcieman on 2018-01-02 https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/30/7/indieweb-badge
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[miklb]
I’ve seen that with WordPress and how the post kinds plugin pulls in the title
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Loqi
[Michael Runcieman] New Tiny IndieWeb Badge! • Aaron Parecki
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[miklb]
sorry GWG, didn’t mean to sound like I was passing blame.
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GWG
[miklb]: Didn't think you were. Just saying wasn't me.
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Zegnat
And thus GWG started a war between CMS 😉
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[kevinmarks]
I get that with quill and known too - escaping things with & that could be unicode
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[kevinmarks]
I assume it's quill doing it
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Zegnat
If it was Quill, probably not in that specific use-case.
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Zegnat
Looks like Michael posted a like, and like posts from Quill do not contain anything other than a URL: https://sink.zegnat.net/0yZoukRaziwynyTrBRrY6StTxta
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Zegnat
[kevinmarks] if you know an exact case where this double encoding happens, feel free to emulate it against sink.zegnat.net to see what your Micropub client is sending.
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[kevinmarks]
The one that usually gets me is "
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[kevinmarks]
I don't get back to quill when I try pointing it at sink
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Zegnat
Oh? That’s weird. I just posted to Sink from Quill
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Zegnat
Do you get any errors?
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[kevinmarks]
I put sink into quill's login, then sink asked me for a domain, then it redirected to sink linking to itself
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Zegnat
What domain did you enter in the login form? You are supposed to use your IndieAuth ID, e.g. www.kevinmarks.com
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Zegnat
Did you enter sink.zegnat.net? (I should probably protect against that.)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Read Write Review – Voices from the Village in 2017" by Aaron Davis on 2018-01-02 https://readwriterespond.com/2018/01/read-write-review-2017/
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dgold
:scream:
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dgold
golang's parser borks on frontmatter with: bad character U+002D '-'
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dgold
e.g. 'like-of' & 'repost-of'
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dgold
so I have to rewrite (relatively) clean & elegant code because of this.
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Loqi
petermolnar: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 4 days, 19 hours ago: I just put together a supporting page last week. Not sure if I put it on the wiki yet https://boffosocko.com/2017/12/22/a-supporting-page/
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[mrkrndvs]
Question, I swear I added a user page to the IndieWeb wiki, however now it seems to have disappeared. Anyone have any thoughts? I remember having the conversation about rel=me etc
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[mrkrndvs]
Last time I authenticated with Twitter (which is not working for me at present), this time I used GitHub. Does that make a difference
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Zegnat
If you are using the same domain, should not make any difference
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[mrkrndvs]
That is what I thought. Will start again
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Zegnat
Oh. Have you recently added a redirect removing the www.? Because that would mean you have changed your identity to a new URL and makes you basically a new user in the eyes of the wiki.
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[mrkrndvs]
Oh, I have really stuffed that up
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Zegnat
The wiki doesn’t really have a concept of “updating” an identity. It isn’t really a problem normally. If you have decided to go without www, just copy the contents of /User:Www.readwriterespond.com to /User:Readwriterespond.com and turn /User:Www.readwriterespond.com into a redirect. (Or move the page, which is better, but I am not sure you can mov
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Zegnat
e User pages.)
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[mrkrndvs]
I have created a monster. Thank you Zegnat for the help.
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[mrkrndvs]
I think that I will move to https://eeadwriterespond.com, now to work out the best process. Really didnt think this through ...
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[mrkrndvs]
Zegnat thanks for the tip. Seems I now have a bit of work to do to straighten things out.
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Zegnat
Just leave a redirect in place and call it a day, is my advice
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Paving the footpaths, Yorkshire version #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/paving-the-footpaths-yorkshire-version
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samim
Hi everybody! New here/ to the community so quick introduction: I' m @samim on twitter. My goal is to move all my web publishing over to the indie web (I'm at samim.io) during this year. Great to meet you all here!
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Zegnat
Nice, welcome to the party! Haha
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Loqi
awesome
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Zegnat
samim you might want to add yourself to https://indieweb.org/IRC_People :)
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Zegnat
another interesting experiment: change the default font-size of your browser and see which sites adhere to it!
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petermolnar
I explicitly set 19px as base and use 'rem' to size everything to it
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petermolnar
although respecting the default browser font size is not a bad idea
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cweiske
that's as good as respecting the default browser language
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petermolnar
that I really don't like though it's less annoying then some sites that don't let you select another geolocation or language because of your IP
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Zegnat
Only follow the browser language if you have truly translated your entire site. Otherwise it just confuses people in my experience.
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Zegnat
Worse is indeed when you can’t make a change to it yourself after the website decided. Even worse: after a mobile app has decided.
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Zegnat
The app for the Swedish railways forces itself into your phone language, doesn’t let you change, and decides to show computer translated info messages whenever there are schedule changes.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "“Even if you don't have a Facebook account, Facebook has a You account—a hole in their social graph with a bunch of connections pointing into" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account-facebook-has
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Bridgy stats update" https://snarfed.org/2018-01-02_bridgy-stats-update-3
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snarfed
^ we're almost at 1M webmentions sent total! to/from anyone, not just bridgy. we'll probably hit it in a week to a month. let's throw a party at next HWC!
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eli_oat
That is awesome!
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sknebel
curious, what do you base your estimate for Known on?
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sknebel
(given that he does salmention, I'd guess aaronparecki.com also has sent 5-10k :P)
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aaronpk
aahh i'm doing the thing where I have too many ideas for fun things to add to my site
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sknebel
aaronpk: do I sense a 100days project? :P
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aaronpk
no way haha
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Loqi
haha
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aaronpk
that was too hard
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sknebel
52 weeks project? :P
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sknebel
but I guess that's "normal life" in your case
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aaronpk
shipping something weekly sounds doable
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tanlaan
lol, my computer locked up. How is everyone's day going?
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tanlaan
aaronpk: I'm just getting in to all of this and can't wait to be able to set aside some time to go over some of the software you've made for quantified self/indie web
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aaronpk
awesome! do you already have a website?
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tanlaan
gonna work on getting back into quantified self and actually sticking to it
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tanlaan
aaronpk: yep yep, I've had an instance of Known running for awhile. Then I forgot my mysql password so I couldn't get the posts back. All fixed now
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@mdbraber
@frankmeeuwsen leuk om je #indieweb adventures te volgen - ik zie zie alleen de instagram images niet in RSS
(twitter.com/_/status/948233012843606016)
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aaronpk
awesome
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tanlaan
you're hosting the January Portland indieweb meeting right?
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aaronpk
yes although we haven't officially announced the date yet
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tanlaan
alright cool, I'll keep an eye out for it so I can try and keep my schedule open
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "❤️ Just pushed some updates to IndieNews!" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-01-02 http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/02/just-pushed-some-updates-to-indienews/
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[cleverdevil]
Good morning, IndieWeb!
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[eddie]
morning cleverdevil!
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[cleverdevil]
Excited to try out grantcodes' latest updates to /Together
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[cleverdevil]
But, it means I need to actually install a Microsub server 😛
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aaronpk
I can give you access to Monocle :-)
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dgold
you can?
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[cleverdevil]
Yes please!
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[cleverdevil]
Was planning on installing/configuring it myself, but the github repo very clearly doesn't want me to do that 😉
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ben_thatmustbeme
and thats why my google history has multiple times included 'ls'
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[eddie]
cleverdevil: I just ignored the github repo
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[eddie]
Who really reads github warnings anyway 😉
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[cleverdevil]
Oh, don't get me wrong, I had already checked it out and was getting started on it.
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[cleverdevil]
But, I'd much prefer to piggyback on aaronpk 😛
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[eddie]
haha 😆
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Loqi
[eddie]: lol
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dgold
yeah, that github page is almost aggressive :)
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snarfed
so...1M webmentions party at HWC? should we do it 1/10? or 1/24?
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snarfed
we could get custom cakes printed with something like this: https://snarfed.org/wm1m.html
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Loqi
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tantek
that's a great idea snarfed !
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[cleverdevil]
So, what do I need to do to get access to Monacle, aaronpk?
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aaronpk
Promise to help beta test it and provide feedback :-)
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aaronpk
I'll set up your account today or tomorrow
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[cleverdevil]
Cross my heart!
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[cleverdevil]
Thanks, no rush.
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Zegnat
“we could get custom cakes” – now I super want to order a custom cake somewhere and eat it on camera during vHWC
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@evergreen_mac
One of the main ideas behind Evergreen is to support microblogs — not just Manton’s service: microblogs in general. But of course Manton’s service is a great test case. Here’s a screenshot of some unreleased work done this morning. Still plenty more work to do. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSZqi5nUEAAqkso.jpg
(twitter.com/_/status/947562202730344448)
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[cleverdevil]
Evergreen is an interesting opportunity.
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[cleverdevil]
Given that its supporting Micro.blog, it'd be great if it supported Micropub for interacting with content.
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tantek
indeed
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[cleverdevil]
And, eventually, Microsub for subscriptions/syncing.
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[cleverdevil]
Oh, and its open source!
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[cleverdevil]
So, enterprising Swift developers like eddie could be contributors 😉
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "This is great! I'd love to see @evergreen_mac support the broader #IndieWeb via Micropub and Microsub! We're doing that in Together – https://github.com/cleverdevil/together – but" by Jonathan LaCour on 2018-01-02 https://cleverdevil.io/2018/this-is-great-id-love-to-see-evergreen_mac-support-the
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[eddie]
cleverdevil: That is actually a good opportunity. macOS apps make me nervous because I've never done anything with AppKit (the UI framework of macOS), but given a pre-existing app like Evergreen it would probably be pretty easy to grab some libraries I build for Indigenous and add micropub and microsub to Evergreen
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[cleverdevil]
Absolutely.
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@cleverdevil
This is great! I'd love to see @evergreen_mac support the broader #IndieWeb via Micropub and Microsub! We're doing… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948261649265328128
(twitter.com/_/status/948261649265328128)
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@samim
After having spent 11y publishing on @twitter, it feels invigorating to embrace the #indieweb and start a new blog!… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948267558855172096
(twitter.com/_/status/948267558855172096)
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gRegorLove
Ooh, Homebrew Cake Club
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gRegorLove
Can't have one of those baked goods silos making it ;)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Hello, World Wide IndieWeb!" on 2017-01-23 https://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Shindig" on 2018-01-02 https://keithjgrant.com/posts/2018/shindig/
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@FTWynn
My experience building a basic #micropub endpoint for #hugo on #gcp with container builder #IndieWeb https://lnkd.in/gPe2axS
(twitter.com/_/status/948277262742208512)
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skippy
evergreen and together both look quite interesting.
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[keithjgrant]
I was gonna post a link to be new site design, but it looks like Superfeedr piped it here for me
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Loqi
Owl logo Keith J. Grant Posts Notes Social Talks CSS in Depth
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Loqi
Owl logo Keith J. Grant Posts Notes Social Talks CSS in Depth
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[keithjgrant]
Why is it parsing the p-name that way?
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sknebel
because you have two nested h-cards
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sknebel
and thus the outer doesn't have a p-name and it is implied
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gRegorLove
To avoid that "Owl logo" in the inner h-card, might want to wrap just your name with span class="p-name" instead of around the SVG + name.
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gRegorLove
Looks good :)
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samim
After having decided to go "indie" with all my web publishing, toke action today and started tweaking a fresh wordpress+indieweb-plugins blog. Man-o-Man, this is tricky to get right even for a web-dev pro of many years. A one click auto "go indie-web, connect twitter etc." publishing solution would be so awesome!
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[cleverdevil]
The closest thing to that, right now, @samim is either what you're doing with WordPress, or using Known.
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[cleverdevil]
What is Known?
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Loqi
Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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[cleverdevil]
I suppose the other really close option would be using Micro.blog as a hosted service.
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samim
Wordpress would be fine (even though i don't really like it as its just overblown) - but getting a usable indie-web experience going takes 2-3 days min - and even then it feels broken. This can'T be right
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KartikPrabhu
samim: depends on what you want to count as "full indieweb" since there are many parts
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snarfed
er, sorry. samim you're seeing that we're only at gen1-2ish on https://indieweb.org/generations
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snarfed
feedback and contributions are welcome!
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samim
@KartikPrabhu that's an excellent point: would be great for a newbie like me to get a clear "this is a min indie web must have feature list"
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samim
@KartikPrabhu I've been mainly guided by trying to get away from my current silos: Twitter + Medium
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gRegorLove
samim, what's the next thing you want to implement on your site?
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Zegnat
“this is a min indie web must have feature list” – have a domain, put something on it :D
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gRegorLove
That's often how we try to help guide people, rather than a package of "install A, B, C". Documenting a list of things you want to do (can be on your wiki user page) is a good idea.
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gRegorLove
What is itches?
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Loqi
Itches, in the context of the indieweb, are individuals's personal sources of annoyances using the web or in particular their own website, that they use to itemize and prioritize what to create, design, build, and improve on their own website, often by first listing such "itches" on a section in their User: page https://indieweb.org/itches
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samim
@gRegorLove my current main goal is to turn around my twitter experience (my current "homepage") to one where i publish on my blog (need a twitter clone like wordpress template) and get likes & replies back onto the blog from twitter
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KartikPrabhu
right, minimum indieweb is having a domain and putting content on it. the rest is "enhacements"
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samim
@Zegnat mhhh... been doing that ("just put something on a domain") for 20y and somewhat feels a bit too little given the tide of social media / silos ...
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gRegorLove
Sounds like you have your domain and hosting setup. Are you using a CMS currently?
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KartikPrabhu
samim: it is only the first step :)
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gRegorLove
We'd love your feedback on the /Getting_Started page as well
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samim
I'm dreaming of having a pre-configured wordpress (custom theme+plugins) which basically clones (+interopts with) twitter. Then it should be possible to offer that as a one-click "get hosting for 4$/m and replace twitter with your own jam"
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[eddie]
Wow! keithjgrant! Your site says hugo, but I see beautiful page transitions? How are you doing that?
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bear
when is IWC Baltimore?
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Loqi
IndieWebCamp Baltimore 2018 is on 2018-01-20 at Digital Harbor Foundation Tech Center https://indieweb.org/IWC_Baltimore
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[eddie]
I guess technically that's a -dev conversation 🙂 I'll ping you over there
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bear
phew - I was worried it was going to be this weekend - big storm hitting the east coast and it's going to be nasty in the mid-atlantic region
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KartikPrabhu
samim: does wordpress allow "preconfiguration" ?
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samim
KartikPrabhu: i wonder the same. Was about to develop my own CMS from scratch for that, but it feels silly given all the work that has gone into wordpress (security etc.)
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samim
KartikPrabhu: generally speaking it would be wonderful to have a "indie web starter kit" one-click solution, which then could be customized ;)
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KartikPrabhu
samim: Known is very close to that. I am not sure about others. "one-click" installs are tricky
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schmarty
bear: good lookin' out! i hope the weather here in Baltimore improves in time for IWC :}
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bear
I was hoping to be able to attend IWC Baltimore, but work just scheduled a SF work week :(
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samim
KartikPrabhu : "Known" is confusing as it's site talks about education institutions as clients? Or do i have the wrong one?
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KartikPrabhu
samim: Known "pivoted" towards education since it was gaining traction there. but it was originally designed for indieweb use so it should still work
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snarfed
known++
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Loqi
known has 15 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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[cleverdevil]
So, at DreamHost we have some preconfigured WordPress configurations.
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[cleverdevil]
It would be entirely possible to do an IndieWeb-enabled version of WordPress.
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[cleverdevil]
We also backed Micro.blog's Kickstarter and are planning on working with Manton to encourage our customers, specifically our WordPress customers, to join the IndieWeb.
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[cleverdevil]
That said, its not been a super high priority for a number of reasons 🙂
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Zegnat
Wasn’t there a thing about another Known “pivot” coming? Can’t search right now, cweiske’s search is disabled
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[cleverdevil]
I hadn't heard anything about that.
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Zegnat
Oh, I should probably link to chat instead
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KartikPrabhu
maybe the "pivoting" discussion can go to #indieweb-chat ?
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KartikPrabhu
lets keep this on point
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Zegnat
Done, sorry for the sidetrack, thanks for sending me away KartikPrabhu
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schmarty
bear: you will be missed! perhaps next IWC Baltimore! :}
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gRegorLove
samim, you probably want the open source link on withknown.com at the bottom.
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gRegorLove
open source known is still maintained and used by a lot of indiewebbers. There's just also the company Known, which does the education / groups focused versions.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "This is my favorite new years resolution: Bring back your browser bar http://mashable.com/2017/12/27/browser-bar-url-facebook-bad/#k08SwFZ85mqa #indieweb" by Andrew Jacobs on 2018-01-02 http://www.funwhilelost.com/2018/this-is-my-favorite-new-years-resolution-bring-back-your
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tomasparks
I have a twitter acc that has been suspended (never posted) should I reactivate it?
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snarfed
known's evolution seems pretty on topic for this channel :P
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://digwp.com/2010/02/custom-css-per-post/" to the "See Also" section of /custom_post_style
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tantek
interesting conversation about what's minimum indieweb
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tantek
looks for a mention of /IndieMark
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tantek
what is minimum indieweb
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "minimum indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "minimum indieweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
minimum indieweb is /IndieMark#Level_1
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tantek
going to try going offline and setting up a new iPod touch from backup while offline to see if that works. curious how "cloud-dependent" new device setup has become
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tantek
all kinds of errors. interesting
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tantek
taking screenshots
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tantek
oh boy: "iTunes has been updated to focus on music, movies, TV shows, podcasts, and audiobooks."
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tantek
"If you previously used iTunes to sync apps or ringtones to your iOS device, use the new App Store or Sounds Settings on iOS to redownload them without your Mac."
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tantek
as of iTunes 12.7 (pretty big change from 12.3)
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tantek
let's see if restoring from a 2015 backup works
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tantek
here goes nothing, "Restoring iPod from backup..."
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tantek
going to try going offline again to see if that works
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